[04:04] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: all done
[04:53] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[05:51] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: pong
[08:38] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken
[08:40] <sitter> sgclark: the archive and stable branches of breeze, plasma-addons, kio-extras, muon, oxygen are also still broken
[09:56] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libreoffice.png ta da
[10:01] <soee> nice1
[10:08] <Riddell> ahoneybun: as docs person fancy giving a UI exception approval (or not) to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764 ?
[10:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please get Bjorn (the LO maintainer) to ack your FFe for the Breeze icons.  As long as he is good with it, I think it should go ahead.
[10:14] <Riddell> ScottK: ah yes I knew I forgot to subscribe someone
[10:35] <soee> this is how for me loading screen should slook :) very very simple yet nice http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_1
[10:36] <soee> are there many distros based on kubuntu ?
[10:36] <KDDA> mmm turned on computer this morning and cant get kontact to work
[10:36] <KDDA> Akonadi server not running
[10:36] <KDDA> but it is
[10:38] <Riddell> soee: dddd
[10:38] <Riddell> soee: ooh nice
[10:39] <Riddell> mparillo: how about a wire article about superx? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_1
[10:39] <KDDA> the main error which catches my attention is "Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus"
[10:39] <Riddell> mparillo: bshah on #kde-devel knows more about it
[10:39] <KDDA> has Kubuntu moved away from D-Bus?
[10:39] <Riddell> soee: yeah there's a few derived distros, I think it's a good thing to have, it's a shame ubuntu try to restrict them
[10:39] <soee> hm gwenview gone mad and cant open images
[10:40] <soee> Loading ‘test.jpg’ failed Gwenview cannot display documents of type image/jpeg.
[10:40] <Riddell> KDDA: nope nothing changed there.  it's possible systemd is causing problems (it's just the main changing factor recently) or it's possible akonadi is being itself
[10:40] <soee> i think this is after todays updates
[10:40] <Riddell> KDDA: no akonadi problems for me
[10:40] <mparillo> Riddell: Sure thing. Getting ready to test Beta 2 now: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds
[10:40] <KDDA> well I install owncloud which uses MySQL
[10:40] <Riddell> mparillo: nice :)
[10:41] <KDDA> I love Kontact but this Akonadi magic is beyond me
[10:42] <soee> can someone confirm that gwenview opens images for him (vivid, latets updates)
[10:42] <mparillo> Riddell: How can I remove test cases: Live (netbook). Last time, I faild it, and I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1425193 but it is still there
[10:43] <Riddell> mparillo: probably easiest to ask stgraber as site admin? you could ask if you could become admin yourself then you could tidy them all up
[10:44] <mparillo> On ubuntu-release?
[10:45] <mparillo> Nice tour of Super-X. It reminds me of NetRunner.
[10:48] <yofel> KDDA: I'm having akonadi troubles too (using the system mysql db which doesn't seem to like systemd)
[10:48] <yofel> seems like mysqld is stuck in post-start o.O
[10:50] <kfunk> soee: yeah. opens .pngs just fine here
[10:51] <Riddell> mparillo: just asking on irc as a start would get it going
[10:52] <KDDA> yofel: it is running, but not registered
[10:52] <yofel> KDDA: does 'akonadictl restart' give you an error?
[10:53] <KDDA> not running
[10:53] <yofel> o.O
[10:53] <yofel> start?
[10:53] <KDDA> eak
[10:53] <KDDA>  Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error)
[10:53] <KDDA> very helpful error message
[10:54] <KDDA> "akonadiserver" crashed too often and will not be restarted! 
[10:56] <yofel> KDDA: can you pastebin the whole log?
[10:56] <KDDA> not at the moment
[10:56] <KDDA> downloading a new kernel
[10:57] <KDDA> 3.19.0
[10:58] <yofel> ah, it could be that it fails to start because it is in fact already running as you said (so mysql can't open the db twice)
[10:58] <soee> kfunk: ok thank you for checking
[11:00] <yofel> 2a01:238:432c:7f00:762d:767d:14d:3a47
[11:00] <yofel> oops, ignore that
[11:04] <KDDA> need to reboot
[11:10] <sitter> hasn't 5.2.2 been uploaded to the archive?
[11:12] <sitter> apparently not
[11:12] <sitter> ooh well
[11:14] <KDDA> yofel: Im getting a mysqld got signal 11 
[11:15] <yofel> is there an instance running right now?
[11:17] <KDDA> doesnt seem to be
[11:17] <KDDA> Ive removed owncloud
[11:17] <yofel> signal 11 doesn't really tell anything without the error message... 
[11:17] <Riddell> oh someone said that mysql broke last night
[11:19] <KDDA> Riddell: yes its definately broken!
[11:20] <yofel> my system instance is pretty broken here, but that looks like a systemd thing. I don't have a user instance
[11:21] <mparillo> sitter: The Beta 2 RC is still at 5.2.1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds
[11:22] <gordon_> i still wish that someone will port libreoffice to qt
[11:22] <KDDA> yofel: what version of mysql is installed?
[11:23] <yofel> 5.6, I got the upgrade yesterday which was fun because the automatic schema upgrade failed...
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:23] <yofel> hey
[11:23] <KDDA> yeah its 5.6 seems to be breaking my system too
[11:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: So, I'm supposed to make a proposal as well, do we have anything other than ubiquity?
[11:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: I added porting libreoffice to qt5
[11:28] <Riddell> it's going to be lots of fun
[11:28] <yofel> lol
[11:28] <Quintasan> I think ubiquity is more critical than LibreOffice
[11:29] <Riddell> yep, just some else has put in a proposal for that
[11:29] <Riddell> and since there's only 30 applications and we typically get 40 slots I guess we'll get them all
[11:40] <Quintasan> Hmm, I wanted to work on that
[11:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: you can send in your application and see who wins
[11:43] <Quintasan> I guess I'm going to send in two
[11:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: This would be esentially a rewrite?
[11:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: of ubiquity or libreoffice?
[11:43] <Quintasan> ubiquity and some plasma stuff I guess
[11:44] <Riddell> ubiquity doesn't need a rewrite, it's probably a pretty simple port
[11:44] <sitter> plasma?
[11:44] <soee> hmm why muon updater is so slowe when checking updates, compared to apt update it taks much longer to do cheks
[11:45] <sitter> soee: how do you measure that?
[11:46] <Quintasan> sitter: There are some plasma related project proposals on the wiki
[11:46] <sitter> also muon is slightly slower because it also checks updates for newstuff (widgets, wallpapers, comics, whatnot)
[11:46] <soee> sitter: well i just see when it informes me that there are or not updates
[11:46] <sitter> probably the newstuff then
[11:47] <sitter> I don't think there is very sophisticated caching behind that, so querying for updates always entails resolving a bunch of http resources
[11:48] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken
[11:49] <soee> sitter: ok maybe false alaram, i checked again via cli and it was slow to
[11:49] <soee> might be related to yesterday net provider problems in pl
[11:50] <Riddell> sitter: pushed fix
[11:51] <sitter> どうも
[11:51] <Quintasan> kek
[11:52] <soee> @ #kubuntu someone knows about it: [12:38] <LINKSWORD2> I understand that Kubuntu has a social desktop feature now. Where might I find that? 
[11:52] <sitter> I don't even know what that means
[11:53] <Riddell> apt install choqok
[11:56] <prth> Riddell, Quintasan, I have submitted the proposal for Ubiquity.
[11:57] <Riddell> which I still need to read over
[11:57] <sitter> on the off chance that I might come off as a prick... didn't I port ubiquity already :P
[11:58] <Quintasan> >python
[11:58] <Riddell> sitter: did you?
[11:58] <sitter> no clue
[11:58] <sitter> I lost track
[11:58] <Quintasan> wtf
[11:58] <sitter> perhaps I am thinking of apport though
[11:58] <Riddell> sitter: I'm pretty sure that was the only one you missed out
[11:58] <Quintasan> :D
[11:58] <Riddell> yeah
[11:59] <prth> sitter, yeah i read that comment in the cards that you had it ported somewhere :D
[11:59] <sitter> the argument might have been that you said ubiquity was lots of work and in response I ported apport in like 10 minutes :P
[12:00] <Riddell> right
[12:00] <prth> Riddell, is there a plan to switch to calamares in future?
[12:00] <sitter> well, if I had a port I can't find it anymore so it probably never existed
[12:00] <Quintasan> I guess the Foundations team would kill as.
[12:01] <Quintasan> us*
[12:01] <Quintasan> or at least whine loudly
[12:01] <Quintasan> for not using glorious Ubiquity in it's full python glory
[12:01] <Riddell> I doubt they'd mind but they would stop helping us if we have problems with the installer
[12:01] <sitter> the other thing also would use python
[12:02] <Quintasan> sitter: The other thing doesn't have a Python api IIRC
[12:02] <Riddell> prth: no plan, would be interesting to evaluate but currently I suspect it's easier to stay with ubiquity
[12:03] <sitter> Quintasan: the other thing is using runtime plugins to drive the UI and those plugins right now I think are all python
[12:03] <Quintasan> So it's either python or python?
[12:03] <Quintasan> We should write our installer in PHP.
[12:03] <sitter> well
[12:03] <sitter> clamares UI isn't python
[12:04] <sitter> so I suppose one could wire it to a c++ backend
[12:05] <sitter> albeit, backend-wise python could be just fine as long as it is 100% unit tested (which it should be anyway and doing that is probably easier with an interpreted language anyway)
[12:06] <sitter> Riddell: I wonder if we should consider landing apport qt5
[12:06] <soee> someone knows if vlc phonon backed has a fix and works fine (dos not crash system settings) ?
[12:07] <sitter> Riddell: I think that would actually allow us to drop pykde from the ISO
[12:07] <sitter> ubiquity is pyqt only IIRC
[12:07] <sitter> soee: needs a fix in vlc
[12:07] <soee> sitter: but there was some patch in debian as a workaround i think
[12:08] <sitter> proper fix in fact
[12:08] <Riddell> sitter++
[12:08] <sitter> except debian is frozen so they are not landing it which means it is not going into ubuntu unless someone manually patches the ubuntu vlc
[12:11] <soee> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AnoopPanavalappil/posts/Ao6K1ZWCnJF?cfem=1
[12:12] <soee> so users have some visual problems only with Beta, not any serious probles - that is a good sign :)
[12:12] <soee> GTK apps have by default qtcurve set?
[12:13] <soee> ah i see it done by Riddell
[12:13] <sitter> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/apport/qt5 wanna do a pre-review?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hmm still no dropdown in krunner for previous entries , what a PITA
[12:21] <mparillo> Riddell: <elfy> as far as removing them - anyone in kubuntu release team should have perms to remove old testcase from the list. How do I apply to be on the Kubuntu Release Team?
[12:23] <soee> BluesKaj: works fine for me
[12:24] <soee> or wait are we talking about suggestions ?
[12:25] <Riddell> mparillo: there's no such thing :)
[12:25] <BluesKaj> soee, I must be missing some sources, because you and I obviously don't have a similar installation
[12:25] <Riddell> mparillo: there's the ubuntu-release team, maybe that's the one with the necesssary magic powers
[12:26] <soee> BluesKaj: tbh krunner always worked for me
[12:26] <Riddell> ooh sgclark gets her +1s within minutes :)
[12:26] <Riddell> sitter: after lunch
[12:26] <soee> but maybe it is related to your configuration
[12:26] <Riddell> soee: it should use orion by default
[12:27] <BluesKaj> soee, do you have a dialog dropdown in krunner that lists previous entries
[12:27] <soee> BluesKaj: one moment
[12:27] <soee> this one is good: System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display.
[12:27] <soee> 0.0
[12:28] <soee> Riddell: are you on 5.2.2 maybe ?
[12:29] <soee> BluesKaj: i see suggestions based on entered text splited into several sections
[12:29] <soee> but the settings button next to krunner input filed does not work for me at all
[12:31] <BluesKaj> the settings button just brings iup a search list here, soee
[12:32] <soee> BluesKaj: but you are on 5.2.1 right ?
[12:33] <Riddell> soee: not yet, I need to do upstream 5.2.2 then I'll look at it in kubuntu, but that's all after lunch
[12:33] <soee> ok and i will reboot to see if teh system settings and krunner problems till exists
[12:36] <soee> ok krunner settings work  now after reboot
[12:37] <soee> same with system settings
[12:38] <BluesKaj> driver manager still doesn't scan, the search is X'd out 
[12:41] <BluesKaj> soee, do you use any ppas ?
[12:42] <soee> BluesKaj: not any related to kubuntu extra updates, just for some apps liek simplescreenrecorder etc.
[12:42] <soee> but for example i used ppa-next-0 last days to install plasma 5.2.2
[12:42] <soee> but it is removed now after 5.2.2 was installed
[12:43] <sgclark> morning
[12:44] <soee> good mornign sgclark
[12:44] <Riddell> sgclark: 4 +1s for you so far on ev list :)
[12:45] <sgclark> aww yay :)
[12:46] <soee> gwenview also works after reboot, so those upgrades had some influance on my all issues
[12:55] <BluesKaj> thought a new kernel versio would fix some things, but no dice 
[13:05] <Riddell> sgclark: are you able to upload plasma 5.2.2 today?  I can see if I can get it past the freeze
[13:06] <sgclark> Riddell: sure thing
[13:06] <sgclark> Riddell: is someone working on 15.04 beta?
[13:07] <Riddell> sgclark: kubuntu 15.04 beta? it needs testing
[13:08] <Riddell> or apps 15.04?  that need packaging but it'll be a case for backports because it's too late for kubuntu
[13:09] <sgclark> apps. ahh right gatcha. If no one else is I will work on packages anyway for backports
[13:09] <sgclark> gotcha*
[13:11] <Riddell> sgclark: great, sitter will have done lots of the packaging already in ci so make sure that gets merged in
[13:12] <Riddell> sgclark: then build it in kubuntu-ppa/staging-something and copy it to kubuntu-ppa/backports when ready
[13:12] <sgclark> beta = unstable - got it
[13:12] <sgclark> after it is tested :) 
[13:12] <Riddell> oh yes
[13:13] <Riddell> don't copy to kubuntu-ppa/backports copy to kubuntu-ppa/beta
[13:14] <sgclark> k
[13:22] <sgclark> Riddell: archive script barfed pretty fast. Am I suppose to merge again or something?
[13:23] <Riddell> sgclark: what's this for?
[13:24] <sgclark> plasma
[13:25] <sgclark> changelog is invalid
[13:25] <mparillo> sgclark: I have been testing the 32-bit beta. One thing I might be noticing (first time I thought I might have double-clicked over it (Work laptop is Win7)), after I select timezone, it might have skipped over the keyboard option. Could everybody keep an eye out for that?
[13:26] <soee> Riddell: 15.04 will use Konversation by default ?
[13:26] <sgclark> mparillo: will look for it, thank you
[13:28] <sgclark> Riddell: oh, think it is the different version thing baloo
[13:28] <Riddell> sgclark: do baloo mannually then I guess
[13:29] <sgclark> barfing on bluedevil too, goodness
[13:30] <mparillo> sgclark: It might not be a bug, if it can reliably detect the keyboard, but that is another case where the test execution steps do not match what happens. Alas the Try / Install selection did come back, to match the test execution steps.
[13:31] <sgclark> Riddell: okies script running now
[13:35] <sgclark> or not, Riddell: not sure what to do, breeze seems to be sitting at a diff screen
[13:39] <yofel> meaning the package from the ppa and git are different, and you see the diff
[13:40] <Riddell> sgclark: so what's the diff? :)
[13:41] <sgclark> hmm yes breeze and oxygen there were some issues so they will differ. So can I select here or , not sure how this works :(
[13:42] <yofel> you can process, but I don't remember what it'll take then
[13:42] <yofel> *proceed
[13:42] <yofel> Riddell: ^ ?
[13:46] <sgclark> mm I just hit yes and it seems to have continued
[13:48] <Riddell> clicking yes means it takes the git archive packaging, it's just asking why git archive is different from ppa package
[13:52] <sgclark> ahh well it will likely fail then. launchpad and ci did not get along, hense why it was different
[13:53] <sgclark> gosh there needs to be a better way to handle if package not in ppa.. 
[14:45] <sitter> Riddell: I am changing releaseme branches now
[14:45] <sitter> master is the place to be
[16:07] <Riddell> sgclark: how's the upload going?
[16:08] <sgclark> Riddell: should be done, have not checked the builds yet though
[16:08] <sgclark> hmm waiting for approval
[16:08] <sgclark> freeze
[16:08] <sgclark> thing right?
[16:09] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[16:09] <Riddell> sgclark: yep, I'll let them in now
[16:11] <Riddell> sgclark: did you upload kfilemetadata ?
[16:14] <sgclark> hmm, guess not, oh right different version..
[16:16] <sgclark> Riddell: done
[16:44] <sgclark> hmm breeze dark seems broken
[16:50] <yofel> works for me
[16:53] <soee> sgclark: broken in what way ?
[16:53] <sgclark> I slect it and it remains light
[16:53] <sgclark> select
[17:42] <mattpark> hello
[17:42] <Riddell> hi mattpark 
[17:42] <Riddell> mattpark: were you asking about becoming an elite kubuntu ninja? 
[17:43] <Riddell> or were you wanting to do some other development using kubuntu?
[17:43] <mattpark> yes
[17:43] <Riddell> which? :)
[17:43] <mattpark> i don't have much experience with development yet
[17:43] <mattpark> I have taken online courses with programming languages
[17:44] <mattpark> and tried developing a servlet
[17:44] <Riddell> mattpark: which ones?
[17:44] <mattpark> I learned
[17:44] <mattpark> python perl java C
[17:45] <mattpark> html, xml while developing a servlet for an accounting system i was hoping to try and sell but i only have
[17:45] <mattpark> add_customer and add_invoice
[17:45] <mattpark> so far
[17:46] <mattpark> I would love to get more experience and learn to develop apps for kubuntu
[17:46] <mattpark> and be a part of community because I keep getting lost and sometimes I'm stuck on a problem for way too long
[17:48]  * Riddell spots http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=272 
[17:48] <Riddell> mattpark: most of our software comes from KDE of course
[17:48] <Riddell> and KDE tend to write stuff in C++ using Qt
[17:49] <Riddell> we have a few Python with Qt bits in Kubuntu
[17:49] <Riddell> but most of what we do is compiling KDE's software, package it up and making sure it runs
[17:49] <Riddell> and of course lots of testing
[17:49] <Riddell> KDE also uses Qt's QML which is Javascripty
[17:50] <Riddell> mattpark: so one obvious first challenge is can you check out some kde software, compile and run it
[17:51] <Riddell> if you do that you'll be better than 90% of the people who finished my university course :)
[17:52] <mattpark> where do i find the source code for the kde software
[17:53] <Riddell> mattpark: https://projects.kde.org/  in git archives
[17:55] <mattpark> are you using kdevelop?
[17:55] <Riddell> mattpark: pick something easy like a game such as bomber and see if you can clone it and compile it
[17:56] <Riddell> mattpark: yes many kde developers use kdevelop
[17:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what would I do?
[17:57] <Riddell> ahoneybun: write a comment saying "yes please from kubuntu docs dude"
[17:58] <ahoneybun> XD
[17:59] <ahoneybun> looks amazing Riddell
[18:05] <mattpark> okay I'm a little confused
[18:06] <mattpark> i believe i would know how to compile and run it once i can access the source code
[18:06] <mattpark> Do I use the fetch method available on the kdevelop?
[18:16] <Riddell> mattpark: I don't use kdevelop myself so I don't know, I just run git on the command line
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: don't split the members by categories
[18:33] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: oh
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> just list them as business cards
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> and mention to each one what he's envolved with
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> and maybe a title
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> and of course, a photo
[18:34] <ovidiu-florin> and, if he/she wants, a link to his/hers blog
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: do you agree?
[18:37] <ahoneybun> I like categories a bit, but could you show me what you mean so I can compare?
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> imagine a stack of business cards on two columns
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> each member has a business cardwhich contains his details and a photo
[18:39] <ovidiu-florin> if you split them by categories, many people will be left behind in a "others" category
[18:39] <ovidiu-florin> thus making it very visible that those people don't really matter to the project
[18:40] <ovidiu-florin> instead of showing off how many people are involved with the project
[18:40] <ovidiu-florin> that's my idea
[18:41] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[18:41] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: btw how did I do with the categories?
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[18:41] <mparillo> I see Launchpad bug 1409555 now shows fix committed does that mean it is time to re-test the development upgrade, or is that when the fix is released.
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> a few weren't deleted
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> but I deleted them this morning
[18:42] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[18:42] <ahoneybun> :)
[18:43] <sgclark> Riddell: lol you keep rejecting bluedevil but it is in our scripts, does it need to be removed or something?
[18:43] <mparillo> sgclark: No need to look for the missing keyboard selection. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1435714
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'm at a WordPress Meetup right now
[18:43] <ahoneybun> sweet
[18:44] <sgclark> mparillo: oh cool
[18:44] <mparillo> First couple of times, I figured I must have double-clicked accidently.
[18:44] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: there was going to be a wordpress class but not enough people
[18:46] <yofel> sgclark: if you mean bluedevil 2.X, then we can't use that because our bluez is too old
[18:50] <Riddell> sgclark: ubuntu keep promising to change to bluez5 but not doing so but maybe they will do so soon who knows, but I think keep it in for now and just remember not to upload or reject it
[18:53] <Riddell> gosh these +1s keep coming for sgclark on e.v. membership, that's 8 now (and usually people don't bother once there's 2 cos that's all it needs)
[18:55] <mattpark> hello i am trying to compile the project kswallet-query
[18:55] <mattpark> kwallet-query*
[18:55] <mattpark> but  i got an error saying : 
[18:56] <mattpark> could not find a package configuration file provided by "ECM" (requested version 0.0.9) with any of the following names: 
[18:56] <mattpark> ECMConfig.cmake
[18:56] <mattpark> ecm-config.cmake
[18:56] <mattpark> what is ECM?
[18:57] <sgclark> Riddell: yay :)
[18:57] <sgclark> mattpark: extra-cmake-modules 
[18:58] <sgclark> you will have to install that
[19:05] <Riddell> mattpark: #kde-devel is a better place to ask for non-distro specific stuff like that (although arguably it's distro specific to find out what needs to be installed)
[19:43] <Riddell> oh meh I uploaded the wrong tar for muon
[19:43] <Riddell> (uploaded to kde)
[19:46] <soee> oki , hope i explained it good enough https://plus.google.com/101625163037263641608/posts/4k3UTpg5SNK
[19:48] <soee> Riddell: maybe it would be a good idea to just remove this ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports
[19:48] <soee> or just the old Plasma 5 packages
[19:58] <soee> valorie: do we have anywhere on website some info that Plasma 5 can be tesetd on 14.10 ?
[21:03] <valorie> soee: I hope not!
[21:03] <valorie> I've removed that old advice everywhere I found it
[21:03] <valorie> soee: I put a warning on the PPA page
[21:04] <valorie> both next and next-backports
[21:09] <valorie> I also replied to Jim Blaich on G+
[21:17] <Riddell> thanks valorie 
[21:49] <soee_> valorie: he seems to be a bit frustrated ;)
[21:51] <yofel> soee_: point being that current vivid works better than utopic+next
[21:53] <Riddell> word is it even works from virtualbox now
[21:53] <Riddell> if only sddm stopped breaking :(
[21:53] <yofel> worked fine when I did some amd64 iso testing earlier
[21:54] <soee_> oh i know it works better :D thats why im using it long time not on my both machines that i work on
[21:54]  * yofel wonders if a last minute revert to lightdm would be insane or reasonable -.-
[21:54] <soee_> *now
[21:54]  * claydoh wonder if we shouldn't specify on each ppa description whether it is officially supported or not
[21:55] <soee_> claydoh: that would be a good idea
[21:55] <yofel> then again, we have bugs all over the place, so sddm isn't that bad by itself...
[21:55] <valorie> soee_: if you find somewhere that next or next-backports is still recommended, please try to get it removed
[21:55] <soee_> yofel: it isn't bad but if it wont work with nvidia-prime a lot of users with prime laptops would not be able to switch to nvidia in any easy way
[21:56] <valorie> I searched a few weeks back and fixed or removed all I could
[21:56] <valorie> claydoh: I wrote a warning on those PPA pages
[21:56] <yofel> soee_: right... but lightdm *should* still work in vivid as a workaround for those
[21:56] <claydoh> at least when someone types in $random-command-found-on-the-interwebz they would at least see that (if they read it)
[21:56] <valorie> but how many people will see them I do not know
[21:56] <soee_> valorie: i just asked to be sure we dont have it so situations like with this user wont come again
[21:56] <valorie> of course
[21:56] <soee_> yofel: yes and no
[21:56] <yofel> soee_: I'm not sure if that's a reasonable recommendation though :/
[21:56] <soee_> yofel: it wants to install almost whole unity desktop by default
[21:57] <valorie> soee_: I was a bit frustrated on next
[21:57] <claydoh> valorie: but what about all the other ppas, which are officially supported?
[21:57] <valorie> in fact, broke my laptop
[21:57] <soee_> we can install first lightdm-kde-greater than lightdm and it will install but yet it was a bt broken for me
[21:57] <claydoh> valorie: same here
[21:58] <yofel> hm, true, you'll have to manually tell which greeter you want or you'll get a lot of unity indeed :/
[21:58] <soee_> valorie: when i was using next i ended up with fresh vivid install, it was like 2-3 months ago and i im on vivid since than :)
[21:58] <valorie> I knew it was testing, but got feeling safe, which was fatal
[21:58] <valorie> yes, same here
[21:59] <valorie> my own fault - should have done more frequent backups, and should have waited longer before pulling the plug
[21:59] <soee_> i think Riddell wanted to be to nice to people and ave them this next ppa :)
[21:59] <valorie> I saved my other laptop
[21:59] <soee_> maybe we shoudl avoid such ppas
[21:59] <valorie> and tested the upgrade successfully
[21:59] <ahoneycutt> yofel: is there a reason we switched to sddm over lightdm, kdm?
[21:59] <soee_> ql stuff i thik
[21:59] <soee_> *qml
[22:00] <valorie> soee_: perhaps rather than putting it under kubuntu-ppa, we should have had it in testing or such
[22:00] <claydoh> we may consider a blurb in each ppa : "Please understand that this ppa is unsupported" 
[22:00] <yofel> ahoneycutt: it's the upstream recommendation, uses qml, is the only DM with a theme that fits to plasma5, had good systemd support even in the beginning, ...
[22:00] <soee_> valorie: yup, but always it is good to have such comment like this user posted
[22:00] <yofel> sadly it has a bunch of issues too :(
[22:00] <ahoneycutt> yofel: I see
[22:00] <soee_> now we know when it can leads
[22:00] <soee_> *where
[22:01] <ahoneybun> lots of good reasons till the bugs
[22:01] <yofel> claydoh: for next* that sounds reasonable
[22:01] <valorie> claydoh, soee_ - this is a policy we should consider carefully
[22:01] <valorie> I suggest taking the discussion to kubuntu-devel
[22:02] <valorie> organization of the PPAs might be the meta-topic
[22:02] <yofel> it is somewhat, it is also very subjective to whoever uploads something
[22:03] <yofel> back when I was organizing the backports I tried to keep a pretty high QA level, but since I stopped I get a feeling that people just do random uploads without looking at what's the actual package set in the PPA and whether everything is compatible
[22:04] <Riddell> we're lost without you yofel 
[22:04] <yofel> yeah, I see that :P
[22:05] <yofel> sadly my workflow ended up burning me out, so I first need to think of something else before I go back there
[22:05] <valorie> is there a way to test that stuff? to CI it, in effect?
[22:06] <yofel> the technical parts surely, although in the end, for end user QA you always have to do at least a basic UI check at least, which for me meant managing a couple VMs for testing
[22:08] <yofel> in the end, the most tricky part is really knowing how everything interacts (like how a new marble SOVERSION can break digikam -> i.e. that needs a rebuild)
[22:09] <yofel> hm, wait, that was kipi, not marble
[22:10] <Riddell> marble breaks lots of things
[22:11] <valorie> of course there's the problem that when you do everything "by hand" it takes time
[22:12] <valorie> but when you automate it, then you have to fix scripting instead
[22:12] <valorie> I'm not sure sitter is a happier more care-free person these days in spite of much more high-tech gizmos in the -ci chan
[22:13] <valorie> but somehow we should be able to make things easier enough not to burn out yofel
[22:13] <yofel> well, it's an attempt to make the overwhelming mess of a couple hundred package we need to maintain manageable again, and he does an awesome job at that
[22:13] <valorie> yes, it's amazing
[22:14] <valorie> my point is that he's still working hard and stressing out
[22:15] <soee_> an one more important thing we should get more people to help with it :) that is the purpose of the promo wesite im working on 
[22:15] <yofel> FWIW, my backport script with hooks system should still work fine for backports. But unless someone actually intends to do the QA, any automation is just a bunch of text
[22:16] <valorie> right, someone should have to give some blood to start the script, promising to so the QA
[22:16] <valorie> :-)
[22:16] <valorie> to do
[22:23] <soee_> ok i see 5.2.2 is in the archive
[22:23] <soee_> someone who did teh update already, can you check if muon has topbar for you ?
[22:31] <valorie> soee_: no update yet for me
[22:33] <soee_> valorie: maybe you are on some mirror
[22:33] <valorie> could be
[22:33] <soee_> not main server
[22:33] <valorie> our power was out for 6+ hours, so I'm not surprised I'm behind
[22:33] <valorie> they were switching in new underground wiring
[22:34] <soee_> :)
[22:36] <soee_> in muon this element that is missing for me is called Discover Toolbar
[22:37] <soee_> it exists but is just empty
[22:39] <mparillo> Should sddm offer a guest login: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345404
[22:40] <Riddell> mparillo: I don't think the feature is in sddm
[22:41] <mparillo> TY. Would it be good form for me to change the bug to wishlist?
[22:41] <Riddell> sure
[22:41] <mparillo> <missing lightDM and Upstart in the last week or two>
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun Riddell 95 more links to fix
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> https://trello.com/c/36EqHCdB/20-make-sure-all-urls-from-the-old-site-are-available-valid-on-the-new-site
[22:50] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Doing :: make sure all urls from the old site are available/valid on the new site ++ OT, OB, JAR]
[22:53] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: <3
[22:53] <valorie> I so appreciate all this work you are doing
[22:54] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I'm trying to make everything in such a way that If I can't finish it for what ever reason, someone else can finish it
[22:54] <ovidiu-florin> I'm writing instructions and details for every step
[22:54] <valorie> wow, that is impressive
[22:55] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: check the notes from that trello card's description
[22:55] <ovidiu-florin> the KDE notes
[22:55] <valorie> I was reading an education column the other day, where they told the parents: don't worry, your kids will turn out just like you
[22:55] <valorie> long silence......
[22:56] <valorie> you are making sure your followers will turn out just like you!
[22:56] <ovidiu-florin> :)))))
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> I  hope they will be better than me
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> and not leave the project unfinished
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> (in case I do)
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> just to make it clear, I dont't  want to let it go
[22:59] <valorie> it's just like buying car insurance
[23:00] <valorie> you buy it so you won't get into a crash
[23:00] <valorie> do backups and write docs so you won't need them
[23:14] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: looking now
[23:14]  * ovidiu-florin is sleeping...... zzzzzzzzzzz......
[23:14] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[23:18] <valorie> hi ahoneybun