=== ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun [04:04] ovidiu-florin: all done [04:53] ahoneybun: ping [05:51] ovidiu-florin: pong [08:38] Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken [08:40] sgclark: the archive and stable branches of breeze, plasma-addons, kio-extras, muon, oxygen are also still broken [09:56] http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libreoffice.png ta da [10:01] nice1 [10:08] ahoneybun: as docs person fancy giving a UI exception approval (or not) to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764 ? [10:08] Launchpad bug 1435764 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FFe UI exception for LibreOffice Breeze Icons" [Undecided,New] [10:10] Riddell: Would you please get Bjorn (the LO maintainer) to ack your FFe for the Breeze icons. As long as he is good with it, I think it should go ahead. [10:14] ScottK: ah yes I knew I forgot to subscribe someone [10:35] this is how for me loading screen should slook :) very very simple yet nice http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_1 [10:36] are there many distros based on kubuntu ? [10:36] mmm turned on computer this morning and cant get kontact to work [10:36] Akonadi server not running [10:36] but it is [10:38] soee: dddd [10:38] soee: ooh nice [10:39] mparillo: how about a wire article about superx? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-Based-SuperX-3-0-Distro-Promises-to-Deliver-an-Awesome-KDE-Experience-Screenshot-Tour-476552.shtml#sgal_1 [10:39] the main error which catches my attention is "Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus" [10:39] mparillo: bshah on #kde-devel knows more about it [10:39] has Kubuntu moved away from D-Bus? [10:39] soee: yeah there's a few derived distros, I think it's a good thing to have, it's a shame ubuntu try to restrict them [10:39] hm gwenview gone mad and cant open images [10:40] Loading ‘test.jpg’ failed Gwenview cannot display documents of type image/jpeg. [10:40] KDDA: nope nothing changed there. it's possible systemd is causing problems (it's just the main changing factor recently) or it's possible akonadi is being itself [10:40] i think this is after todays updates [10:40] KDDA: no akonadi problems for me [10:40] Riddell: Sure thing. Getting ready to test Beta 2 now: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds [10:40] well I install owncloud which uses MySQL [10:40] mparillo: nice :) [10:41] I love Kontact but this Akonadi magic is beyond me [10:42] can someone confirm that gwenview opens images for him (vivid, latets updates) [10:42] Riddell: How can I remove test cases: Live (netbook). Last time, I faild it, and I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1425193 but it is still there [10:42] Launchpad bug 1425193 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Plasma-netbook is not ported to Plasma 5" [Undecided,New] [10:43] mparillo: probably easiest to ask stgraber as site admin? you could ask if you could become admin yourself then you could tidy them all up [10:44] On ubuntu-release? [10:45] Nice tour of Super-X. It reminds me of NetRunner. [10:48] KDDA: I'm having akonadi troubles too (using the system mysql db which doesn't seem to like systemd) [10:48] seems like mysqld is stuck in post-start o.O [10:50] soee: yeah. opens .pngs just fine here [10:51] mparillo: just asking on irc as a start would get it going [10:52] yofel: it is running, but not registered [10:52] KDDA: does 'akonadictl restart' give you an error? [10:53] not running [10:53] o.O [10:53] start? [10:53] eak [10:53] Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) [10:53] very helpful error message [10:54] "akonadiserver" crashed too often and will not be restarted! [10:56] KDDA: can you pastebin the whole log? [10:56] not at the moment [10:56] downloading a new kernel [10:57] 3.19.0 [10:58] ah, it could be that it fails to start because it is in fact already running as you said (so mysql can't open the db twice) [10:58] kfunk: ok thank you for checking [11:00] 2a01:238:432c:7f00:762d:767d:14d:3a47 [11:00] oops, ignore that [11:04] need to reboot [11:10] hasn't 5.2.2 been uploaded to the archive? [11:12] apparently not [11:12] ooh well [11:14] yofel: Im getting a mysqld got signal 11 [11:15] is there an instance running right now? [11:17] doesnt seem to be [11:17] Ive removed owncloud [11:17] signal 11 doesn't really tell anything without the error message... [11:17] oh someone said that mysql broke last night [11:19] Riddell: yes its definately broken! [11:20] my system instance is pretty broken here, but that looks like a systemd thing. I don't have a user instance [11:21] sitter: The Beta 2 RC is still at 5.2.1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/336/builds [11:22] i still wish that someone will port libreoffice to qt [11:22] yofel: what version of mysql is installed? [11:23] 5.6, I got the upgrade yesterday which was fun because the automatic schema upgrade failed... [11:23] Howdy folks [11:23] hey [11:23] yeah its 5.6 seems to be breaking my system too [11:27] Riddell: So, I'm supposed to make a proposal as well, do we have anything other than ubiquity? [11:28] Quintasan: I added porting libreoffice to qt5 [11:28] it's going to be lots of fun [11:28] lol [11:28] I think ubiquity is more critical than LibreOffice [11:29] yep, just some else has put in a proposal for that [11:29] and since there's only 30 applications and we typically get 40 slots I guess we'll get them all [11:40] Hmm, I wanted to work on that [11:42] Quintasan: you can send in your application and see who wins [11:43] I guess I'm going to send in two [11:43] Riddell: This would be esentially a rewrite? [11:43] Quintasan: of ubiquity or libreoffice? [11:43] ubiquity and some plasma stuff I guess [11:44] ubiquity doesn't need a rewrite, it's probably a pretty simple port [11:44] plasma? [11:44] hmm why muon updater is so slowe when checking updates, compared to apt update it taks much longer to do cheks [11:45] soee: how do you measure that? [11:46] sitter: There are some plasma related project proposals on the wiki [11:46] also muon is slightly slower because it also checks updates for newstuff (widgets, wallpapers, comics, whatnot) [11:46] sitter: well i just see when it informes me that there are or not updates [11:46] probably the newstuff then [11:47] I don't think there is very sophisticated caching behind that, so querying for updates always entails resolving a bunch of http resources [11:48] Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kio/ still broken [11:49] sitter: ok maybe false alaram, i checked again via cli and it was slow to [11:49] might be related to yesterday net provider problems in pl [11:50] sitter: pushed fix [11:51] どうも [11:51] kek [11:52] @ #kubuntu someone knows about it: [12:38] I understand that Kubuntu has a social desktop feature now. Where might I find that? [11:52] I don't even know what that means [11:53] apt install choqok [11:56] Riddell, Quintasan, I have submitted the proposal for Ubiquity. [11:57] which I still need to read over [11:57] on the off chance that I might come off as a prick... didn't I port ubiquity already :P [11:58] >python [11:58] sitter: did you? [11:58] no clue [11:58] I lost track [11:58] wtf [11:58] perhaps I am thinking of apport though [11:58] sitter: I'm pretty sure that was the only one you missed out [11:58] :D [11:58] yeah [11:59] sitter, yeah i read that comment in the cards that you had it ported somewhere :D [11:59] the argument might have been that you said ubiquity was lots of work and in response I ported apport in like 10 minutes :P [12:00] right [12:00] Riddell, is there a plan to switch to calamares in future? [12:00] well, if I had a port I can't find it anymore so it probably never existed [12:00] I guess the Foundations team would kill as. [12:01] us* [12:01] or at least whine loudly [12:01] for not using glorious Ubiquity in it's full python glory [12:01] I doubt they'd mind but they would stop helping us if we have problems with the installer [12:01] the other thing also would use python [12:02] sitter: The other thing doesn't have a Python api IIRC [12:02] prth: no plan, would be interesting to evaluate but currently I suspect it's easier to stay with ubiquity [12:03] Quintasan: the other thing is using runtime plugins to drive the UI and those plugins right now I think are all python [12:03] So it's either python or python? [12:03] We should write our installer in PHP. [12:03] well [12:03] clamares UI isn't python [12:04] so I suppose one could wire it to a c++ backend [12:05] albeit, backend-wise python could be just fine as long as it is 100% unit tested (which it should be anyway and doing that is probably easier with an interpreted language anyway) [12:06] Riddell: I wonder if we should consider landing apport qt5 [12:06] someone knows if vlc phonon backed has a fix and works fine (dos not crash system settings) ? [12:07] Riddell: I think that would actually allow us to drop pykde from the ISO [12:07] ubiquity is pyqt only IIRC [12:07] soee: needs a fix in vlc [12:07] sitter: but there was some patch in debian as a workaround i think [12:08] proper fix in fact [12:08] sitter++ [12:08] except debian is frozen so they are not landing it which means it is not going into ubuntu unless someone manually patches the ubuntu vlc [12:11] https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AnoopPanavalappil/posts/Ao6K1ZWCnJF?cfem=1 [12:12] so users have some visual problems only with Beta, not any serious probles - that is a good sign :) [12:12] GTK apps have by default qtcurve set? [12:13] ah i see it done by Riddell [12:13] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/apport/qt5 wanna do a pre-review? [12:21] hmm still no dropdown in krunner for previous entries , what a PITA [12:21] Riddell: as far as removing them - anyone in kubuntu release team should have perms to remove old testcase from the list. How do I apply to be on the Kubuntu Release Team? [12:23] BluesKaj: works fine for me [12:24] or wait are we talking about suggestions ? [12:25] mparillo: there's no such thing :) [12:25] soee, I must be missing some sources, because you and I obviously don't have a similar installation [12:25] mparillo: there's the ubuntu-release team, maybe that's the one with the necesssary magic powers [12:26] BluesKaj: tbh krunner always worked for me [12:26] ooh sgclark gets her +1s within minutes :) [12:26] sitter: after lunch [12:26] but maybe it is related to your configuration [12:26] soee: it should use orion by default [12:27] soee, do you have a dialog dropdown in krunner that lists previous entries [12:27] BluesKaj: one moment [12:27] this one is good: System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display. [12:27] 0.0 [12:28] Riddell: are you on 5.2.2 maybe ? [12:29] BluesKaj: i see suggestions based on entered text splited into several sections [12:29] but the settings button next to krunner input filed does not work for me at all [12:31] the settings button just brings iup a search list here, soee [12:32] BluesKaj: but you are on 5.2.1 right ? [12:33] soee: not yet, I need to do upstream 5.2.2 then I'll look at it in kubuntu, but that's all after lunch [12:33] ok and i will reboot to see if teh system settings and krunner problems till exists [12:36] ok krunner settings work now after reboot [12:37] same with system settings [12:38] driver manager still doesn't scan, the search is X'd out [12:41] soee, do you use any ppas ? [12:42] BluesKaj: not any related to kubuntu extra updates, just for some apps liek simplescreenrecorder etc. [12:42] but for example i used ppa-next-0 last days to install plasma 5.2.2 [12:42] but it is removed now after 5.2.2 was installed [12:43] morning [12:44] good mornign sgclark [12:44] sgclark: 4 +1s for you so far on ev list :) [12:45] aww yay :) [12:46] gwenview also works after reboot, so those upgrades had some influance on my all issues [12:55] thought a new kernel versio would fix some things, but no dice [13:05] sgclark: are you able to upload plasma 5.2.2 today? I can see if I can get it past the freeze [13:06] Riddell: sure thing [13:06] Riddell: is someone working on 15.04 beta? [13:07] sgclark: kubuntu 15.04 beta? it needs testing [13:08] or apps 15.04? that need packaging but it'll be a case for backports because it's too late for kubuntu [13:09] apps. ahh right gatcha. If no one else is I will work on packages anyway for backports [13:09] gotcha* [13:11] sgclark: great, sitter will have done lots of the packaging already in ci so make sure that gets merged in [13:12] sgclark: then build it in kubuntu-ppa/staging-something and copy it to kubuntu-ppa/backports when ready [13:12] beta = unstable - got it [13:12] after it is tested :) [13:12] oh yes [13:13] don't copy to kubuntu-ppa/backports copy to kubuntu-ppa/beta [13:14] k [13:22] Riddell: archive script barfed pretty fast. Am I suppose to merge again or something? [13:23] sgclark: what's this for? [13:24] plasma [13:25] changelog is invalid [13:25] sgclark: I have been testing the 32-bit beta. One thing I might be noticing (first time I thought I might have double-clicked over it (Work laptop is Win7)), after I select timezone, it might have skipped over the keyboard option. Could everybody keep an eye out for that? [13:26] Riddell: 15.04 will use Konversation by default ? [13:26] mparillo: will look for it, thank you [13:28] Riddell: oh, think it is the different version thing baloo [13:28] sgclark: do baloo mannually then I guess [13:29] barfing on bluedevil too, goodness [13:30] sgclark: It might not be a bug, if it can reliably detect the keyboard, but that is another case where the test execution steps do not match what happens. Alas the Try / Install selection did come back, to match the test execution steps. [13:31] Riddell: okies script running now [13:35] or not, Riddell: not sure what to do, breeze seems to be sitting at a diff screen [13:39] meaning the package from the ppa and git are different, and you see the diff [13:40] sgclark: so what's the diff? :) [13:41] hmm yes breeze and oxygen there were some issues so they will differ. So can I select here or , not sure how this works :( [13:42] you can process, but I don't remember what it'll take then [13:42] *proceed [13:42] Riddell: ^ ? [13:46] mm I just hit yes and it seems to have continued [13:48] clicking yes means it takes the git archive packaging, it's just asking why git archive is different from ppa package [13:52] ahh well it will likely fail then. launchpad and ci did not get along, hense why it was different [13:53] gosh there needs to be a better way to handle if package not in ppa.. [14:45] Riddell: I am changing releaseme branches now [14:45] master is the place to be [16:07] sgclark: how's the upload going? [16:08] Riddell: should be done, have not checked the builds yet though [16:08] hmm waiting for approval [16:08] freeze [16:08] thing right? [16:09] Riddell: ^ [16:09] sgclark: yep, I'll let them in now [16:11] sgclark: did you upload kfilemetadata ? [16:14] hmm, guess not, oh right different version.. [16:16] Riddell: done [16:44] hmm breeze dark seems broken [16:50] works for me [16:53] sgclark: broken in what way ? [16:53] I slect it and it remains light [16:53] select [17:42] hello [17:42] hi mattpark [17:42] mattpark: were you asking about becoming an elite kubuntu ninja? [17:43] or were you wanting to do some other development using kubuntu? [17:43] yes [17:43] which? :) [17:43] i don't have much experience with development yet [17:43] I have taken online courses with programming languages [17:44] and tried developing a servlet [17:44] mattpark: which ones? [17:44] I learned [17:44] python perl java C [17:45] html, xml while developing a servlet for an accounting system i was hoping to try and sell but i only have [17:45] add_customer and add_invoice [17:45] so far [17:46] I would love to get more experience and learn to develop apps for kubuntu [17:46] and be a part of community because I keep getting lost and sometimes I'm stuck on a problem for way too long [17:48] * Riddell spots http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=272 [17:48] mattpark: most of our software comes from KDE of course [17:48] and KDE tend to write stuff in C++ using Qt [17:49] we have a few Python with Qt bits in Kubuntu [17:49] but most of what we do is compiling KDE's software, package it up and making sure it runs [17:49] and of course lots of testing [17:49] KDE also uses Qt's QML which is Javascripty [17:50] mattpark: so one obvious first challenge is can you check out some kde software, compile and run it [17:51] if you do that you'll be better than 90% of the people who finished my university course :) [17:52] where do i find the source code for the kde software [17:53] mattpark: https://projects.kde.org/ in git archives [17:55] are you using kdevelop? [17:55] mattpark: pick something easy like a game such as bomber and see if you can clone it and compile it [17:56] mattpark: yes many kde developers use kdevelop [17:56] Riddell: what would I do? [17:57] ahoneybun: write a comment saying "yes please from kubuntu docs dude" [17:58] XD [17:59] looks amazing Riddell [18:05] okay I'm a little confused [18:06] i believe i would know how to compile and run it once i can access the source code [18:06] Do I use the fetch method available on the kdevelop? [18:16] mattpark: I don't use kdevelop myself so I don't know, I just run git on the command line [18:33] ahoneybun: don't split the members by categories [18:33] ovidiu-florin: oh [18:33] just list them as business cards [18:33] and mention to each one what he's envolved with [18:33] and maybe a title [18:33] and of course, a photo [18:34] and, if he/she wants, a link to his/hers blog === drawkward_ is now known as drawkward [18:37] ahoneybun: do you agree? [18:37] I like categories a bit, but could you show me what you mean so I can compare? [18:38] imagine a stack of business cards on two columns [18:38] each member has a business cardwhich contains his details and a photo [18:39] if you split them by categories, many people will be left behind in a "others" category [18:39] thus making it very visible that those people don't really matter to the project [18:40] instead of showing off how many people are involved with the project [18:40] that's my idea [18:41] oh ok [18:41] ovidiu-florin: btw how did I do with the categories? [18:41] awesome [18:41] I see Launchpad bug 1409555 now shows fix committed does that mean it is time to re-test the development upgrade, or is that when the fix is released. [18:41] Launchpad bug 1409555 in Ubuntu Software Center "drop extras.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409555 [18:41] a few weren't deleted [18:41] but I deleted them this morning [18:42] ok cool [18:42] :) [18:43] Riddell: lol you keep rejecting bluedevil but it is in our scripts, does it need to be removed or something? [18:43] sgclark: No need to look for the missing keyboard selection. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1435714 [18:43] Launchpad bug 1435714 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Vivid) "Keyboard layout missing during install setup" [High,In progress] [18:43] ahoneybun: I'm at a WordPress Meetup right now [18:43] sweet [18:44] mparillo: oh cool [18:44] First couple of times, I figured I must have double-clicked accidently. [18:44] ovidiu-florin: there was going to be a wordpress class but not enough people [18:46] sgclark: if you mean bluedevil 2.X, then we can't use that because our bluez is too old [18:50] sgclark: ubuntu keep promising to change to bluez5 but not doing so but maybe they will do so soon who knows, but I think keep it in for now and just remember not to upload or reject it [18:53] gosh these +1s keep coming for sgclark on e.v. membership, that's 8 now (and usually people don't bother once there's 2 cos that's all it needs) [18:55] hello i am trying to compile the project kswallet-query [18:55] kwallet-query* [18:55] but i got an error saying : [18:56] could not find a package configuration file provided by "ECM" (requested version 0.0.9) with any of the following names: [18:56] ECMConfig.cmake [18:56] ecm-config.cmake [18:56] what is ECM? [18:57] Riddell: yay :) [18:57] mattpark: extra-cmake-modules [18:58] you will have to install that [19:05] mattpark: #kde-devel is a better place to ask for non-distro specific stuff like that (although arguably it's distro specific to find out what needs to be installed) [19:43] oh meh I uploaded the wrong tar for muon [19:43] (uploaded to kde) [19:46] oki , hope i explained it good enough https://plus.google.com/101625163037263641608/posts/4k3UTpg5SNK [19:48] Riddell: maybe it would be a good idea to just remove this ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports [19:48] or just the old Plasma 5 packages === greyback__ is now known as greyback [19:58] valorie: do we have anywhere on website some info that Plasma 5 can be tesetd on 14.10 ? === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun [21:03] soee: I hope not! [21:03] I've removed that old advice everywhere I found it [21:03] soee: I put a warning on the PPA page [21:04] both next and next-backports [21:09] I also replied to Jim Blaich on G+ [21:17] thanks valorie [21:49] valorie: he seems to be a bit frustrated ;) [21:51] soee_: point being that current vivid works better than utopic+next [21:53] word is it even works from virtualbox now [21:53] if only sddm stopped breaking :( [21:53] worked fine when I did some amd64 iso testing earlier [21:54] oh i know it works better :D thats why im using it long time not on my both machines that i work on [21:54] * yofel wonders if a last minute revert to lightdm would be insane or reasonable -.- [21:54] *now [21:54] * claydoh wonder if we shouldn't specify on each ppa description whether it is officially supported or not [21:55] claydoh: that would be a good idea [21:55] then again, we have bugs all over the place, so sddm isn't that bad by itself... [21:55] soee_: if you find somewhere that next or next-backports is still recommended, please try to get it removed [21:55] yofel: it isn't bad but if it wont work with nvidia-prime a lot of users with prime laptops would not be able to switch to nvidia in any easy way [21:56] I searched a few weeks back and fixed or removed all I could [21:56] claydoh: I wrote a warning on those PPA pages [21:56] soee_: right... but lightdm *should* still work in vivid as a workaround for those [21:56] at least when someone types in $random-command-found-on-the-interwebz they would at least see that (if they read it) [21:56] but how many people will see them I do not know [21:56] valorie: i just asked to be sure we dont have it so situations like with this user wont come again [21:56] of course [21:56] yofel: yes and no [21:56] soee_: I'm not sure if that's a reasonable recommendation though :/ [21:56] yofel: it wants to install almost whole unity desktop by default [21:57] soee_: I was a bit frustrated on next [21:57] valorie: but what about all the other ppas, which are officially supported? [21:57] in fact, broke my laptop [21:57] we can install first lightdm-kde-greater than lightdm and it will install but yet it was a bt broken for me [21:57] valorie: same here [21:58] hm, true, you'll have to manually tell which greeter you want or you'll get a lot of unity indeed :/ [21:58] valorie: when i was using next i ended up with fresh vivid install, it was like 2-3 months ago and i im on vivid since than :) [21:58] I knew it was testing, but got feeling safe, which was fatal [21:58] yes, same here [21:59] my own fault - should have done more frequent backups, and should have waited longer before pulling the plug [21:59] i think Riddell wanted to be to nice to people and ave them this next ppa :) [21:59] I saved my other laptop [21:59] maybe we shoudl avoid such ppas [21:59] and tested the upgrade successfully [21:59] yofel: is there a reason we switched to sddm over lightdm, kdm? [21:59] ql stuff i thik [21:59] *qml [22:00] soee_: perhaps rather than putting it under kubuntu-ppa, we should have had it in testing or such [22:00] we may consider a blurb in each ppa : "Please understand that this ppa is unsupported" [22:00] ahoneycutt: it's the upstream recommendation, uses qml, is the only DM with a theme that fits to plasma5, had good systemd support even in the beginning, ... [22:00] valorie: yup, but always it is good to have such comment like this user posted [22:00] sadly it has a bunch of issues too :( [22:00] yofel: I see [22:00] now we know when it can leads === ahoneycutt is now known as ahoneybun [22:00] *where [22:01] lots of good reasons till the bugs [22:01] claydoh: for next* that sounds reasonable [22:01] claydoh, soee_ - this is a policy we should consider carefully [22:01] I suggest taking the discussion to kubuntu-devel [22:02] organization of the PPAs might be the meta-topic [22:02] it is somewhat, it is also very subjective to whoever uploads something [22:03] back when I was organizing the backports I tried to keep a pretty high QA level, but since I stopped I get a feeling that people just do random uploads without looking at what's the actual package set in the PPA and whether everything is compatible [22:04] we're lost without you yofel [22:04] yeah, I see that :P [22:05] sadly my workflow ended up burning me out, so I first need to think of something else before I go back there [22:05] is there a way to test that stuff? to CI it, in effect? [22:06]