[01:06] <molly_millions> I cannot click and drag/select left effectively with my trackpad. Here is the config: # Example xorg.conf.d snippet that assigns the touchpad driver
[01:06] <molly_millions> # to all touchpads. See xorg.conf.d(5) for more information on
[01:06] <molly_millions> # InputClass.
[01:06] <molly_millions> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE, your distribution will likely overwrite
[01:06] <molly_millions> # it when updating. Copy (and rename) this file into
[01:52] <n-iCe> Hello guys
[01:58] <ianorlin> n-iCe: any way I can help?
[02:05] <n-iCe> ianorlin: Well, thinking about moving to lubuntu
[02:05] <n-iCe> I am using Arch with fluxbox
[02:13] <n-iCe> this is when you try to convince me to do it
[02:13] <n-iCe> :p
[02:17] <ianorlin> n-iCe: that might be lighter
[02:17] <ianorlin> apt has easier to remeber names than just the single letters of pacman
[02:33] <CoolishPrune_> Hello
[02:33] <CoolishPrune_> I am new to Lubuntu. I have 14.10 installed on a Dell Inspiron B130. I have no problems getting wired connectivity until now. I went to Software and Updates and then over to the Drivers tab and tried to Apply Changes to the WiFi hardware. It seemed like the process fail and I did a reboot and the second time the bar completed but never finished. I gave it about 15 minutes and rebooted again. However, now I cant even connect wi
[02:36] <ianorlin> CoolishPrune_: can you try booting with an old kernel hold down shift at boot if not a dual boot system to get to grub and select advanced optoins for ubuntu
[02:36] <CoolishPrune_> Im trying something out right now that I got from the forums
[02:36] <ianorlin> and select and earlier kernel
[02:36] <CoolishPrune_> Ok let this process over here finish.
[02:37] <CoolishPrune_> im doing sudo apt-get update
[02:37] <CoolishPrune_> with the configure -a
[02:37] <CoolishPrune_> Do I call you Ian or Lin?
[02:37] <CoolishPrune_> lol
[02:38] <ianorlin> !tab
[02:38] <ianorlin> both using that
[02:39] <CoolishPrune_> okay so sudo apt-get dist-upgrade didnt do anything
[02:39] <CoolishPrune_> I dont think its connected to the internet
[02:39] <CoolishPrune_> Im going to try the long command then we will try what u said
[02:40] <CoolishPrune_> Yeah it didnt return any info
[02:41] <kian> ianorlin: what's your idea of configuring display sleep?
[02:41] <CoolishPrune_> I think because im disconnected
[02:41] <ianorlin> kian that depends on what you want
[02:41] <kian> ianorlin: Regardless of my xfce4-power-manager settings the desktop sleeps by itself in a short period of time.
[02:42] <kian> ianorlin: also thank you so much for your help yesterday, everything worked out and it's working beautifully.
[02:42] <CoolishPrune_> Okay Im in GRUB ianorlin
[02:43] <ianorlin> um do you see advanced options for ubuntu
[02:43] <CoolishPrune_> Do I select Ubunto or adv options
[02:43] <ianorlin> advanced options
[02:43] <ianorlin> will bring you to another menu
[02:43] <ianorlin> select an older kernel not recovery mode
[02:43] <CoolishPrune_> 31 31 recovery 23 23 recovery
[02:43] <CoolishPrune_> 31 or 23
[02:43] <CoolishPrune_> 23?
[02:44] <CoolishPrune_> 3.16.0-23
[02:44] <ianorlin> try 23
[02:44] <CoolishPrune_> or 3.16.0-31
[02:44] <CoolishPrune_> ok
[02:44] <ianorlin> I like to update more often as then I won't have to go back as far
[02:44] <ianorlin> and you get secuirty patches but that won't matter for a new install
[02:45] <CoolishPrune_> Ok Im up
[02:45] <CoolishPrune_> it showing disconnected still
[02:45] <CoolishPrune_> and Im plugged into wired
[02:45] <CoolishPrune_> to my router
[02:46] <ianorlin> CoolishPrune_: do you have a live cd dvd or usb ?
[02:46] <ianorlin> try booting into the live session to see if you messed up configuratoin somehow
[02:47] <CoolishPrune_> i have access to dvd/rw's and I have might be able to do usb cable connect and i have a small USB drive
[02:48] <CoolishPrune_> reboot back to normal?
[02:49] <ianorlin> CoolishPrune_: do you have another ethernet cable?
[02:49] <ianorlin> could try that in case of bad cable
[02:49] <ianorlin> CoolishPrune_: you still get internet from the router right
[02:49] <CoolishPrune_> give me a minute
[02:50] <CoolishPrune_> i should
[02:50] <CoolishPrune_> yup got it
[02:50] <CoolishPrune_> Yes I do still have connection form router
[02:50] <CoolishPrune_> this computer is on the same router connection
[02:50] <CoolishPrune_> WiFi
[02:51] <ianorlin> are there any free ethernet ports at back of router maybe try another one
[02:51] <CoolishPrune_> did you want me to reboot lubuntu?
[02:52] <ianorlin> yay try newest kernel again
[02:53] <CoolishPrune_> loading -31
[02:55] <CoolishPrune_> nothing
[02:55] <CoolishPrune_> Should I try adding a connection manually
[02:55] <holstein> i'll try the windows driver, with ndiswrapper, with some hardware that doesnt support linux
[02:56] <CoolishPrune_> Oh wait
[02:57] <CoolishPrune_> it finally came back
[02:57] <CoolishPrune_> not the connection
[02:57] <CoolishPrune_> but in the additional drivers tab
[02:57] <holstein> a broadcom blob you can add? occasionally, there is more than just one
[02:57] <CoolishPrune_> BCM4318 AreForce One 54g 802.11g wireless lan
[02:57] <holstein> these days, i'll just swap the hardware, since, its so much easier than fighting with it
[02:58] <CoolishPrune_> below gives me the choice to use alternate driver
[02:58] <CoolishPrune_> broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver
[02:58] <ianorlin> ah I have one that works with it unfortanelty
[02:58] <CoolishPrune_> twice ived tried this and it stalls
[02:58] <holstein> yup.. i would try that, and *any* other drivers as well.. also, the windows driver is an option
[02:58] <holstein> !broadcom
[02:58] <ianorlin> that is a 4322 and my moms 4313 worked with it
[02:58] <holstein> ^ that should tell you want driver is "best" and with what compromises
[02:59] <CoolishPrune_> So do I revert or apply changes to the broadcom
[02:59] <ianorlin> you need to be connected for that to work
[02:59] <CoolishPrune_> Oh
[02:59] <CoolishPrune_> Well Why cant i get connectd anymore
[02:59] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: i will literally try *all* options.. and i will get wired so its "easier"
[03:01] <CoolishPrune_> I clciked aplly changes
[03:01] <CoolishPrune_> HDD spinning
[03:02] <CoolishPrune_> ok
[03:02] <CoolishPrune_> it finsihed that time
[03:04] <CoolishPrune_> Still having the same problems
[03:04] <CoolishPrune_> should I revert back?
[03:05] <kian> ianorlin: sleep problems help plssss?
[03:06] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: i dont konw what you "should" do, but, i would try *all* options, including the windows driver via ndiswrapper..
[03:06] <holstein> kian: just ask, and if a volunteer can assist, they will
[03:06] <kian> holstein: will do
[03:07] <kian> Lubuntu fresh install, sleeps after 15 or so minutes, regardless of xfce4-power-manager settings
[03:07] <kian> 14.04.02 lts, 32bit
[03:07] <holstein> kian: you mean, the monitor? or the unit sleeps?
[03:08] <kian> holstein: monitor
[03:09] <holstein> kian: i remove the screensaver..
[03:09] <ianorlin> that works
[03:09] <kian> holstein: how so?
[03:09] <ianorlin> sudo apt-get purge light-locker
[03:10] <CoolishPrune_> ianorlin: reverted, rebooted, still cant get wired connectivty
[03:10] <ianorlin> is one way by the command line or remove light-locker by syanpitic or lubuntu-software-center
[03:10] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: did wired work with the live iso? are you sure the hardware is not broken?
[03:10] <CoolishPrune_> Yeah it was working before i applied changes in software & updates in the dirvers tab
[03:11] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: in that case, i would just boot my older kernel, and file a bug
[03:11] <holstein> !bug
[03:11] <holstein> you shouldnt need a driver for the wired network..
[03:11] <ianorlin> holstein: I guided him to booting older kernel and still didn't work
[03:11] <holstein> i find, *if* my wired network doesnt work, its either a bad NIC, or its just *never* going to work
[03:12] <ianorlin> CoolishPrune_: can you plug your laptop in and make sure not bad cable
[03:12] <holstein> i had one machine that, i had to pull the power cord out, to get the NIC back..
[03:12] <CoolishPrune_> ianorlin: i got a brand new cable right here I will try
[03:12] <CoolishPrune_> ianorlin: i might need to reset the router
[03:13] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: dont try new, try *known* good
[03:13] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: test and see that it is good.. new is unknown.. and can be broken.
[03:13] <CoolishPrune_> I have a ethernet cable tester
[03:13] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: i dont.. i literally see that the device/cord is working, then, i use it
[03:15] <kian> ianorlin: I did that command and it want to remove
[03:15] <kian> lubuntu-desktop
[03:15] <kian> don't I need that...
[03:16] <holstein> kian: thats the meta-package
[03:16] <kian> holstein: pardon?
[03:16] <holstein> !lubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <kian> holstein: http://a.pomf.se/bhysnm.png
[03:16] <holstein> kian: research *exactly* what that package is and does.. know how to revert regardless..
[03:17] <holstein> you should *always* have a backup, not becuase you are removing lubuntu-desktop, but, becuase all hard drives fail..
[03:17] <kian> holstein: that is true
[03:17] <kian> but I'm confused
[03:17] <kian> It's uninstalling all that stuff
[03:17] <kian> if I uninstall then then run auto-remove am i essentially destroying the environment?
[03:17] <holstein> kian: "it" does what you ask
[03:18] <holstein> kian: i dont know what you are destroying, but, if you remove lubuntu-desktop, as stated above its just the meta-package
[03:18] <holstein> kian: if you want to paste the entire output for review, go for it..
[03:18] <holstein> !paste
[03:18] <kian> holstein: I linked a screenshot
[03:19] <holstein> kian: cool.. if you want, paste it where i and the other volunteers can easily review the material, or, know how to revert and just try it yourself..
[03:19] <kian> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10665982/
[03:20] <CoolishPrune_> ianorlin: changed cable I noticed when I uplugged it the click wasnt acting right
[03:20] <CoolishPrune_> ianorlin: we are go for green now
[03:20] <holstein> kian: light-locker* light-locker-settings* lubuntu-desktop*
[03:20] <holstein> kian: light-locker is what you are removing, and lubuntu-desktop is 'safe to remove'..
[03:20] <kian> as you said lubuntu-desktop is a meta package which is essentially just a "package" that installs all the packages that makeup the desktop environment, no?
[03:20] <kian> holstein: okay now for my own knowledge
[03:21] <kian> All the packages that are after line 5 on that page, are the packages that come with lubuntu-desktop?
[03:21] <holstein> kian: thats not a list of what comes with lubuntu, no
[03:22] <holstein> kian: thats what, as states "is no longer needed".. or considered so..
[03:22] <kian> Right but a lot of that stuff is needed for operation isn't it? xorg for instance, the video players if I want to play videos on the device, etc.
[03:22] <CoolishPrune_> ianorlin: let me reboot into new kernel
[03:22] <holstein> kian: dont remove it, then
[03:22] <kian> So is it possible to just remove light-locker without effecting lubuntu-desktop or any other packages?
[03:22] <holstein> kian: i dont suggest you do.. just those 3 are all you are removing.. light-locker* light-locker-settings* lubuntu-desktop*
[03:23] <kian> Even if not remove to just "disable" it?
[03:23] <holstein> kian: im just saying, i removed the screensaver..
[03:23] <kian> Right and it seems like the solution to my problem.
[03:23] <holstein> kian: i didnt have any issues, or a long list of thigns.. i dont know the history of your system
[03:23] <kian> holstein: there is no history, just an old workstation I plopped behind my TV to use a media machine.
[03:24] <kian> just installed lubuntu yesterday
[03:24] <CoolishPrune_> ianorlin: ??
[03:24] <holstein> then, proceed with no worries, and no that it only took a few minutes to install, and you can easily reinstall.. and you have no data on there
[03:25] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: if you want to reboot into a new kernel, go for it
[03:25] <kian> holstein: mhmmmm I see now.
[03:25] <kian> kinda makes me nervous since I feel like I'll do this and then later on down the line I'll run "apt-get autoremove" and remove all the stuff I did need
[03:26] <kian> which is just me forgetting about what I'm doing today
[03:26] <holstein> dont be nervous.. *all* hard drives fail.. if you have something important, back it up, and plan for that failure..
[03:26] <holstein> by preparing for that, you'll have the freedom to do what you need to do with any system
[03:27] <kian> holstein: it's not so much important just the bother of having to re-install :\
[03:27] <kian> which isn't that much of a bother really just not very fun
[03:27] <holstein> typicaly takes me about 8 minutes to install
[03:27] <kian> holstein: oh also if I remove light-locker
[03:27] <kian> it's just a screen-saver no?
[03:27] <kian> xfce4-power-manager will operate properly?
[03:28] <holstein> kian: "properly" is probably relative
[03:28] <kian> because it seems like it has no say in choosing my display sleep, etc right now
[03:28] <kian> so yes?
[03:28] <holstein> kian: i dont know, its likely relative, and actually, could be different per hardware
[03:29] <holstein> when im learning a new machine and working out its linux support, i typically spend hours and hours with live iso's and different installs, seeing what works "best" and what fits my needs..
[03:30] <CoolishPrune_> holstein: connect on older kernel disconnect on new kernel
[03:30] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: cool.. so, file a bug about your hardware and the newer kernel support for your hardware
[03:30] <holstein> !bug
[03:32] <kian> holstein: gotcha, I just gotta bookmark my hardware stuff and I think i'll be ok in event of harddrive failure
[03:33] <kian> only thing I'm left with now is my predicament with browsers
[03:33] <holstein> web browsers?
[03:33] <holstein> what did you use? just use what you are used to using..
[03:34] <kian> Chromium/Google Chrome HTML5 video performance is much better then Firefox however Firefox uses actual Adobe Flash Player which performs well and Chrome's is using Pepperflash which is awful on this particular desktop with live-streams and video playback.
[03:34] <holstein> there is no flash support for linux from adboe
[03:34] <holstein> adobe*
[03:34] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[03:34] <kian> "Mozilla, Firefox - NPAPI (Extended Support Release)"
[03:34] <kian> ?
[03:34] <holstein> if using flash is a priority, i suggest the lastest version for chrome
[03:35] <kian> holstein: Yeah I did but Chrome's flash is Pepperflash
[03:35] <kian> this desktop is pretty outdated so it's not holding up too well
[03:35] <holstein> right
[03:35] <holstein> kian: you wont magically install some browser that makes your machine faster
[03:35] <kian> holstein: i wish 😛
[03:35] <kian> woah
[03:36] <holstein> kian: chrome is the "best" option.. that pepper flash.. otherwise, just do what the machine can do
[03:36] <kian> mac autocorrecting to emojis
[03:36] <kian> O_o
[03:36] <kian> holstein: yeah I'll stick to Firefox I guess since Chrome's flash is unbearable with live-streams and video playback on this machine.
[03:37] <CoolishPrune_> holstein: what is the newest package i am running?
[03:37] <holstein> anyways, you are actually *not* having a browser predicament.. thats trying to use things on the internet designed for newer hardare perdicament..
[03:37] <holstein> CoolishPrune_: what is the newser pacakge you are running? i have no idea..
[03:37] <kian> holstein: that's a better way of saying it, yes haha
[03:37] <kian> holstein: I'm sure things would workout much better if the computer wasn't a decade old.
[03:38] <holstein> kian: well, its just good to keep it in perspective, so you are not "frustrated" with a web browser, or linux..
[03:38] <CoolishPrune_> well in order for me to report a bug they want to know thepackage. I have the latest install of lubuntu 14.10
[03:38] <holstein> kian: im not sure of that.. if you have a newer machine that doesnt support linux well, you can have issues as well.
[03:38] <holstein> !bug | CoolishPrune_
[03:39] <kian> holstein: might just buy a more powerful CPU for it
[03:39] <kian> LGA775 socket
[03:40] <holstein> i wouldnt spend any $$ on a 10 year old PC..
[03:41] <kian> holstein: a cool little project maybe
[03:41] <kian> theoretically dropping in any LGA775 would work, no?
[03:41] <kian> Pickup like a used Core 2 Quad and see what happens?
[03:42] <holstein> kian: i have no idea.. try a hardware channel. i personaly wouldnt "waste" any money on that machine.. since, hardware is so resonably priced these days
[03:42] <kian> holstein: very true
[03:42] <holstein> its your hardware.. no one is going to stop you
[03:42] <kian> holstein: this lubuntu build was more of a test-run.
[03:42] <kian> I think I'm going to purchase a NUC to actually use
[03:42] <holstein> nice value PC's..
[03:43] <holstein> those are so cheap, especially now that there is a newer gen of them, i suggest putting any money you want to spend on that PC toward a NUC or something that just ships with linux
[03:43] <kian> holstein: yes it is. I have one upstairs in my office running OS X.
[03:58] <ianorlin> also doesn't 776 draw lots of power kian
[03:58] <ianorlin> I went to get dinner
[03:58] <kian> ianorlin: yeah ultimately not worth it
[03:58] <kian> ianorlin: what'd ya get
[03:59] <ianorlin> fish plate but there is #lubuntu-offtopic for that
[04:00] <kian> oh seriously there's an offtopic as well
[04:00] <kian> ?
[04:00] <ianorlin> yes
[04:32] <CoolishPrune> holstein: u there
[04:32] <holstein> yes, but, just ask, CoolishPrune , if you have a question.. a volunteer will assist, if they can
[04:32] <holstein> no need to specificlaly call out anyone
[04:32] <CoolishPrune> Having troubles syncing wifi
[04:33] <holstein> syncing?
[04:33] <CoolishPrune> but, my cable connect works fine.
[04:33] <holstein> you mean, joining a wifi network?
[04:33] <CoolishPrune> well, connecting to my router, essentially
[04:34] <holstein> !wifi
[04:34] <holstein> i will, again, just try *everything*. making sure all the parts work, with supported drivers in supported operating systems..
[04:39] <CoolishPrune> holstein: when I try sudo ip link set wlan0 up it says cannot find device wlan0 should i go back and try ndiswrapper?
[05:04] <CoolishPrune> ok
[05:04] <CoolishPrune> So I need help installing a wireless network dirver.
[05:07] <Coolishprune_> im here
[05:20] <Coolishprune_> Does encrypting the install slow down the computer much?
[06:05] <CoolishPrune> Ive tried everything that I have been asked to do. Still cant get the wifi going.
[07:30] <lewis1711> anyone running fcitx? Having real difficulty getting it to work. lubuntu doesn't seem to have "gtk-query-immodules" according to the diagnosis tool
[12:55] <melodie> hi
[14:46] <melodie> is there an expert with grub-efi here?
[14:49] <leszek> melodie: just ask and we'll see if someone can help
[14:50] <melodie> hi leszek
[14:50] <melodie> I'll see, some people have answered to me elsewhere
[14:51] <leszek> :)
[14:57] <melodie> leszek I have to ask the #ubuntu-installer people if I have hit a bug, because there is no Grub choice at boot after installing
[14:59] <leszek> ah 14.04 or 14.10 ?
[17:46] <vervoid> Hi I have a problem with wireless in lubuntu
[17:46] <ianorlin> !details |vervoid
[17:46] <vervoid> The first few websites load fast, but the others load forever
[17:47] <vervoid> I have an Intel wifilink 5100 agn card
[17:47] <vervoid> I'm using lxde
[17:47] <ianorlin> which release
[17:47] <vervoid> The newest
[17:48] <vervoid> I think 14.10
[17:48] <ianorlin> 14.10 ok is this a new install or had it been working before
[17:49] <vervoid> Entirely new install, but I had this problem with Debian, Ubuntu and normal lubuntu
[17:49] <ianorlin> can you run lspci and show me informatoin about that card
[17:49] <vervoid> I've already tried the "solutions " on various forums
[17:50] <vervoid> Disabling wireless n
[17:50] <vervoid> Installing another driver
[17:50] <vervoid> But none seem to work for long
[17:51] <vervoid> Disabling wireless n worked for about a day with Ubuntu
[17:52] <AndChat|54704> My Internet died, sorry
[17:52] <AndChat|54704> I'm vervoid
[17:52] <AndChat|54704> Did anyone reply?
[17:55] <AndChat|54704> Regarding my problem?
[18:53] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, never seen this problem. i have 5 computers which are all running lubuntu 14.04
[18:53] <AndChat-54704> Well unfortunately I have it
[18:53] <ianorlin> gebjgd: I think this is hardware dependent
[18:56] <AndChat-54704> It's a Lenovo thinkpad t400
[18:56] <AndChat-54704> The card is known to be problematic
[18:56] <AndChat-54704> But I tried the answers, but none worked for long
[18:58] <AndChat-54704> What worked for a while was disabling wireless n
[18:59] <AndChat-54704> The strange thing is, Internet was working correctly in Ubuntu 13, but stopped after upgrade to 14, and now when I install Ubuntu 13 or even 12 it has the same problem
[19:01] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, ok, i have here thinkpad t410s
[19:01] <AndChat-54704> Is the Internet working on it?
[19:02] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 (rev 35)
[19:02] <ianorlin> AndChat-54704: try a different kenrel maybe?
[19:02] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, i am using it with lubuntu chating with you
[19:02] <AndChat-54704> I have an Intel wifilink 5100 agn
[19:02] <AndChat-54704> How do I change kernel?
[19:03] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, or. you can buy another usb wlan card
[19:03] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, or maybe that is the problem with your router
[19:03] <AndChat-54704> And how can I change the kernel? And which one should I use?
[19:03] <AndChat-54704> I don't think it's the router
[19:04] <AndChat-54704> Because it was working perfectly until the update
[19:05] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, but if you switch back to the old version, will it still work?
[19:05] <AndChat-54704> No
[19:05] <AndChat-54704> And with basically any distribution
[19:06] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, maybe it is broken
[19:06] <AndChat-54704> Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, lubuntu, crunchbsng
[19:06] <AndChat-54704> None work
[19:06] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, better to buy a usb wlan card
[19:06] <AndChat-54704> Ok thanks
[19:08] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FEfMKg8TL._SY300_.jpg
[19:08] <gebjgd> AndChat-54704, this one is really good. i can use it directly on my raspi
[19:09] <AndChat-54704> Thanks!
[23:15] <kian> Guys running with some issues here, hung out yesterday and asked about the computer going to sleep by itself all the time.
[23:15] <kian> Uninstalled light-locker and quit running xfce4-power-manager, still goes to sleep.