[00:35] <daftykins> http://1drv.ms/1N8C0jW
[00:35] <daftykins> tee-hee, overtaking your mate in the last seconds is always good fun
[00:53] <daftykins> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/mvLHUpOvXuQAhIhY
[00:53] <daftykins> good old ifixit having some fun
[04:11] <mappps> hm
[05:44] <mapps> well
[05:45] <mapps> first time in 6 months spoke some russian
[05:45] <mapps> :)
[05:45] <mapps> guy at casino was Ukranian (very similar)
[07:47] <diddledan> morning
[07:49] <elfy> morning
[07:56] <Myrtti> boo. my gingerbread coffee syrup run out... time of day
[08:14] <popey> lulz https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858
[08:14] <popey> steam bug all over again
[08:14] <Myrtti> well, to their benefit it was in RC
[08:16] <Myrtti> or is
[08:17] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:18] <diddledan> what's the betting they're doing a `rm -rf $foo/*` where $foo isn't assigned
[08:19] <popey> yeah
[08:57] <diplo> hah diddledan
[08:57] <diplo> That was my first ever huge breakage in IT
[08:57] <diddledan> morning diplo
[08:57] <diplo> Sorry just reading up :D
[08:57] <diddledan> :-)
[08:57] <diplo> rm -rf $foo/
[08:57] <diplo> :)
[08:57] <diddledan> yeah it's a nasty one
[08:58] <diplo> I've been very careful since :D
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> I'd like to find out a bit more about Ubuntu Phone. What apps are availabe, does it support WebDAV, CalDAV and CardDAV (either native or via an app) and so on.
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> I've found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> but there's not much information.
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Or I completely failed to find it.
[09:26] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Covered Raisins Day! :-D
[09:29] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:34] <TwistedLucidity> Seems CalDAV support is absent...shame. Although being missing is better than Android's "not working in unexpected and very annoying ways" :-)
[09:36] <DJones> Would somebody mind hilighting me, just finished rebuilding/cleaning my irssi config & want to check the hilight window works
[09:37] <diplo> DJones: well hello!
[09:37] <DJones> Thanks, still works
[09:37] <diplo> :P
[09:38] <TwistedLucidity> Still...they can't do everything at once. Here's hoping that full DAV support lands in time for the octocore.
[09:38]  * TwistedLucidity crosses fingers
[09:42] <diplo> https://cosmicyes.wordpress.com/2015/02/26/syncing-addressbook-of-ubuntuphone-using-syncevolution/
[09:42] <diplo> TwistedLucidity:  ?
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Oddly enough, just reading that.
[09:43] <diplo> hack atm, well thats address books
[09:43] <diplo> :D
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> Still looks *A LOT* easier than the nightmare of getting it working on Android
[09:44] <diplo> I was about to try it on android :) not worth it then
[09:44] <diplo> I was going to purchase a caldav app
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Certainly not on any HTC device.
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Let me get a link.....
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/2014/06/android-htc-and-carddav-contacts/4729
[09:46] <diplo> Well that sucks
[09:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:47] <diplo> I've not got any HTC devices anymore, 2 Samsungs in varying dieingness and currently a LG g2 that I'm about to root
[09:47] <diplo> So may have a go
[09:47] <bashrc_> morning peeps
[09:47] <TwistedLucidity> CalDAV works as well (using apps from the same dev) but there's no way to set a default calendar, so you contstantly have to tell the phone which one to use when entering a new event.
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> I guess the assumption is that everyone uses Google and Facebook and us freedom-loving lepers are left out in the cold.
[09:49] <diddledan> ello bashrc_ , czajkowski
[09:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: just be careful eating them when you have rabbits :D
[09:52] <diplo> I do find it odd that no syncing apart from Google is available with touch
[09:52] <diplo> Considering the audience :)
[09:52] <JamesTait> Or chinchillas, davmor2. ;)
[09:52] <diddledan> choccy raisens are awesome!
[09:52] <diddledan> spelign?
[09:53] <diddledan> raisins
[09:53] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Ta! That's exactly the thing I was looking for. Don't know why I couldn't find it with "ubuntu phone apps"
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:17] <knightwise> hey bro
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[10:19] <MooDoo> interesting though
[10:20] <knightwise> MooDoo: what is ?
[10:31] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: it's not an official store is possibly why
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Explains much. I was trying to working out what kind of codename "bhdouglass" was :-)
[10:32] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: there will be one it's just that the team that are creating it are also creating the store, so that is the priority you know like being able to make payments and things like that ;)
[10:33] <MooDoo> knightwise: ah sorry, wrong window lol :D
[10:33] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: You evil, money-grabbing capitalists! :-D
[10:34] <MooDoo> knightwise: but if you want an interesting read ie in the same vein as the steam issue https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858
[10:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: likely story
[10:36] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: Yeap that's us, They're also working on things like fat package support so you can install the apps on multiple arches, setting up the snappy store and ........... you get the picture :)
[10:36] <knightwise> hack once pown many
[10:37] <TwistedLucidity> lubotu3: dev/testing branch, things happen
[10:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's somewhat of a bug in squid then right
[10:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: howdo chappie hows life
[10:39] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: tiring. Badminton was a little too much for the 4 of us last night
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: waiting for my phone to arrive and annoyed that I'm in the company office today and tomorrow. Not knowing if it'll turn up while I'm not at home
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: are you well?
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahaha
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: busy but good thanks
[10:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: thank goodness i don't use rhel then and squid
[10:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: if we were to arrange an evening at the Pie Factory, do you think you're more likely to be able to attend?
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm going to try and get to the next meeting either way I wouldn't mind seeing the oddfellows is that the new pub then?
[10:45] <bigcalm> Yep
[10:45] <bigcalm> It's quieter
[10:45] <bigcalm> That said, same amount of people appear to be in a smaller space
[10:45] <bigcalm> We don't get to move the tables around
[10:45] <bigcalm> So it's pot luck if we get a good spot or not
[10:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: more import do they still do pancakes ;)
[10:53] <bigcalm> It's a nice gastro pub. You should go there some time anyway
[10:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[11:04] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: You wouldn't be running 6.7 anyway
[11:05] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: goes to show how little you know him ;)
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Well....if they're running a Beta version in production, then they deserve everything they get!
[11:06] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you wouldn't catch me doi.....oh wait yes you would most of the time infact :P
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> I for one am not running beta-code on this here desktop. Honest.
[11:08] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: only my server is running a stable release
[11:08] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, got the home server on LTS
[11:19] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: currently moved the home server over to a raspberry pi :)
[11:19] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: i don't run it at all any more, moved my servers to ubuntu/debian
[11:19] <knightwise> Raspbian seems to treat it fairly ok
[11:19] <knightwise> not that I do a lot on the machine but still.
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> in the event of a police raid he can shove the server down his pants... :-P
[11:20] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: Home server runs ownCloud and will also be host a media server. Bit much for a RasPi.
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> what about the pi 2?
[11:21] <MooDoo> i use kvm so that wouldn't run too well on a pi :D
[11:21] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: I strongly suspect transcoding would murder it
[11:21] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: I agree
[11:21] <knightwise> used to run 1404 lTs on the mac mini
[11:21] <knightwise> running plex , calibre and two other Linux Vm's with owncloud and stuff
[11:22] <knightwise> my current server is more of an ssh endpoint , although it handles ttytter, irssi, newsbeuter and the calibre webservice quite nicely
[11:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: now to get you hooked onto Juju, lxc, docker and maas and my work will be done muhahahahahahaha ;)
[11:22] <bashrc_> calibre has a web service?
[11:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: my head is already exploding thanks very much....
[11:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: if canonical or you of the team you're with need a tea boy, give me a shout ;)
[11:24] <bashrc_> interesting, although I use OwnCloud for this kind of thing http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/calibre-server.html
[11:24] <knightwise> setting up a calibre server doesn't even require a Gui
[11:24] <knightwise> its easy to browse , (even with my kobo ebook reader)
[11:24] <bashrc_> nice
[11:24] <knightwise> works like a charm
[11:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: that would be a lot of travel if you were tea boying my team 1 is in New Zealand :D
[11:24] <knightwise> you can even add books to your library using a command line commad
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> and calibre without it's gui sounds better somehow... :-)
[11:25] <bashrc_> on the server side
[11:25] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: sounds geekier I think that is the issue
[11:27] <davmor2> knightwise: but can you read in w3m?
[11:28] <diplo> http://blog.slucas.fr/en/oss/calibre-opds-php-server  - knightwise tried this ?
[11:29] <diplo> Me and a friend use it
[11:29] <shauno> last time I tried calibre's server, the templates were so retro that I wouldn't be surprised if w3m did work
[11:29] <shauno> (although I was using it via a reader that supports opds, so it just acts like a slower version of the local library)
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> it formatted for bbses? :-)
[11:30] <knightwise> havent tried cops yet
[11:40] <knightwise> davmor2: i think you can
[11:40] <knightwise> but does W3M handle epubs ?
[11:43] <davmor2> knightwise: no idea I was thinking purely of an all cli experience :D
[11:44] <davmor2> knightwise: I'm thinking that most geeks have a terminal set to be easy to read for them, so why not let it handle the epub and grabbing it too :)
[11:47] <knightwise> I know it works pretty sweet on  my kobo !
[11:48] <davmor2> knightwise: it would possibly work nicely in beru too
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> i have to admit been seriosuly impressed with my cheap kobo.  great battery life and very good with pdfs which a lot of e-ink readers aren't
[11:48] <knightwise> Yep , i've had a sony PRS 505 for AGES and was doubting what the best formfactor would be
[11:49] <knightwise> I went with the smaller kobo but am very satisfied
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> i got one as they were clearing them out of argos for €35 a few years back
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> 5" jobbie
[11:50] <knightwise> indeed
[11:51] <knightwise> http://leeet.net/foto/sony/en_505/05/en_sony_rev_502.jpg
[11:52] <knightwise> This was mine :) Bought in in Hull about 6 years ago i think$
[11:52] <davmor2> knightwise, zmoylan-pi: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.rschroll.beru
[11:53] <knightwise> Beru ?
[11:53] <knightwise> as in "aunt beru" ?
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> an epub reader for ubuntu touch.  not bad
[11:53] <knightwise> kinda 'toasty" title for an app :)
[11:53] <knightwise>  nope not bad indeed
[11:54]  * knightwise should get one of those ubuntu phones
[11:55] <knightwise> ps : i'm using google inbox on the laptop right now
[11:55] <knightwise> pretty clean interface!
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> i'd be more interested in ubuntu tablet as i use dumbphones these days
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> and getting increasingly annoyed with android
[11:56] <bashrc_> is there a keepass app?
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: by the way do you have the issue on your hudl2 of the time being wrong or is it just me :)  NTP seems to be setting the Time about 5 hours behind
[11:58] <diplo> bashrc_: Not that I've seen yet
[11:58] <awilkins> bashrc_ I use Password Safe which has an app
[11:58] <awilkins> Password Safe + Dropbox
[11:58] <knightwise> hbv
[11:58] <bashrc_> ok. I mainly use keepass, because it runs on everything
[11:59] <foobarry> davmor2: are you on the latest update?
[11:59] <awilkins> Password Safe / Pasaffe / Password Safe for Android
[11:59] <foobarry> also, timezone?
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> i did have that problem with my samsung as it got old.  the clock would stop updating and it would fall behind. a reset would sort it for a few weeks
[11:59] <davmor2> foobarry: as far as I know yes it doesn't find any new ones
[11:59] <diplo> I think I jumped in there in the wrong place, Android or Touch bashrc_ ?
[11:59] <diplo> I use keepass on android
[12:01] <davmor2> diplo, bashrc: on touch there is lastpass app
[12:01] <diplo> Well 'app' is a bit strong :D
[12:05] <bashrc_> lastpass looks nonfree anyway
[12:17] <knightwise> Dalek Mindfulness tape : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o&t=28
[12:17] <knightwise> * in tears *
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> that is so been tweeted...
[13:35] <Myrtti> oof. The most expensive Moomin mug sold for 5000€
[13:35]  * Myrtti pets her collection
[13:35] <diddledan> yeesh
[13:36] <Myrtti> http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2015-03-23/739186/5-000-euro-har-ar-dyraste-muminmuggen
[13:39] <zmoylan-pi> someone takes their moomin seriously
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> i used to like the cartoon on utv in 80s
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> but preferred moschops :-)
[13:42] <Myrtti> I took it seriously enough to have Moomin caketoppers, Moomin plushies and Moomin candies and cookies but I don't plan to go quite so far as pay silly money for a Moomin mug...
[13:43] <daftykins> phew - said everyone :)
[13:44] <Myrtti> or a lamp, they are expensive as well
[13:44] <Myrtti> would have been cool though http://shop.moomin.com/collections/all/products/the-moomintroll-light-small
[13:45]  * davmor2 bets Myrtti does at some point, when she wins the lottery and is rich and shameless ;)
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> she'll have a moomin house in the moomin garden just for moominorabilia :-)
[13:46] <Myrtti> I think the husband would protest quite loudly
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> you'd just turn up the moomin stereo :-P
[13:46] <daftykins> ouch £650 gas bill for the last quarter :(
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> what were you doing, burning the stuff?!
[13:47] <daftykins> ;]
[13:47] <diplo> 650!!!!! for 3 months!!!!!
[13:47] <daftykins> yip
[13:47] <diplo> Lucky if mine is £100 :)
[13:48] <Myrtti> wallpaper would be nice... https://www.moomin.com/en/blog/moomin-wallpapers-design-finland/
[13:48] <Myrtti> ahem.
[13:48] <daftykins> drafty 16th century place
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> €80 every 2 months for leccy on average but last bill was €100 due to heating for winter
[13:48] <daftykins> diplo: you mean unlucky if it reaches £100?
[13:49] <diplo> I'd move daftykins :D
[13:49] <zmoylan-pi> he's keeping an eye out for unrennovated castle... :-D
[13:50] <daftykins> ;) nah i think i did get a bit too comfortable switching it on this year
[13:50] <diplo> I think I spend about £70/mnth combined
[14:06] <Seeker`> Myrtti: you used to saying "the husband" yet? :P
[14:09] <diddledan> Seeker`: one orften speak of one's husband
[14:10] <shauno> I assume he lost his name in some terrible industrial accident?
[14:22] <Myrtti> Seeker`: I've called him the husband a few times even before we got married... it's more natural than whatever I've referred him as before... apart from dsample
[14:24] <davmor2> daftykins: what's this teach you about Gas propelled turbines they are not economical at all ;)
[14:25] <daftykins> my evil lair will never be complete!
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you use an extinct volcano as most of the mood setting is done for you :-)
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> or there used to be castlesforsales.com which had excellent potential for evil overlords in training
[14:32] <daftykins> it's just too tough to get good, honest henchpersons these days :(
[14:32] <daftykins> (P.C. gone mad)
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> have you tried offering them a t-shirt with their blood group printed on it? :-)
[14:33] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: sounds like daftykins is already heating a castle :D
[14:33] <shauno> only because you avoid reddit :)  the evil and gullible are plentiful :)
[15:37] <diddledan> drupal is a slog
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> there are other content management systems if you don't like it...
[15:38] <diddledan> it's not a case of whether I like it - it's been dictated
[15:38] <diddledan> dictated/mandated
[15:38] <daftykins> a mates setting up a site for his girlfriends new biz, but he doesn't really do any web admin or what not - i was a bit concerned he'll end up backing himself into a corner
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> in that case moan on ;-)
[15:39] <daftykins> compared to say, a simple wordpress + paid for theme approach
[15:39] <diddledan> still, I got my coloured logs sorted, which is nice
[15:40] <daftykins> christmas log?
[15:40] <diddledan> lurve those!
[15:40] <bashrc_> yule log
[15:40] <diddledan> they're as good as fudgecake
[15:59] <diddledan> cross your fingers!
[15:59]  * diddledan closes his eyes and prods the "go" button
[15:59] <diddledan> bah
[15:59] <diddledan> it no work
[15:59] <daftykins> ;]
[16:00] <diddledan> no error message neither
[16:00] <diddledan> that is odd
[16:01] <diddledan> aah the logfile got rotated underneath my viewer
[16:01] <DJones> diddledan: Typical linux then, no error message means it worked sucessfuly doesn't it
[16:01] <diddledan> lol
[16:10] <diddledan> there's a reason to hate drupal. it's the evil nested array thing it has going-on
[16:12] <shauno> I'm not sure I've seen a CMS that isn't evil incarnate.  seems to be the nature of the beast
[16:12] <diddledan> I can drive wordpress. drupal just has me going "huh?"
[16:13] <diddledan> like it won't let me output a field because it says that the thing it gave me isn't the thing it needs
[16:14] <diddledan> I have no idea how to get it the thing it says it needs
[16:14] <daftykins> if you're having fun with it, i definitely feel justified in telling that mate he should just buy a wordpress theme and not faff too much :P
[16:14] <shauno> ebay :)
[16:14] <diddledan> Exception: Missing bundle property on entity of type taxonomy_term.
[16:14] <diplo> daftykins: For selling stuff? ( Friends girlfriend thing )
[16:14] <daftykins> diplo: nah just company awareness
[16:15] <diplo> Ah right, defo go for asimple site and theme then yeah I'd agree
[16:15] <diplo> Sod all maintenance
[16:15] <diddledan> I've got to the point where I'm dumping all the things via debug
[16:18] <daftykins> diplo: :D i was trying to explain to him that although i'm sure it's fun for him to learn and muck about with things, he won't enjoy dealing with the proverbial hitting the fan if what he does brings in some insecurity
[16:19] <daftykins> looks like i might be winning on swaying them over to google apps instead of basic IMAP too, phew
[16:21] <diplo> Good work! :) I find it hard as well
[16:22] <daftykins> think he said they're with something called hostpapa 0o
[16:58] <diddledan> ok, I'm confused. I've got an array which I've confirmed has an element with the key I'm requesting yet it's still coming back null
[16:59] <diddledan> ooooh
[16:59] <diddledan> nested functions work differently in php to javascript
[16:59] <diddledan> I was javascript head
[19:43] <apacheuk> so messing around with the ubuntuphone and so far loving it, except everytime I close the twitter app (swipe it away) and open it again I have to enter my login details again, I have a really long password so its a pain.... anyone any ideas? maybe something I'm doing wrong
[19:45] <popey> apacheuk: did you sign in to twitter using online accounts? System Settings -> Online accounts.
[19:45] <apacheuk> yeah
[19:46] <apacheuk> er... ok scratch that, seems I missed that account :) adding it now
[19:48] <apacheuk> all ok now
[20:21] <mapps> superb
[20:21] <mapps> my phones 'delayed at customs'
[20:21] <mapps> according to tracking
[20:23] <popey> awww
[20:24] <mapps> yep really handy
[20:24] <mapps> cost £45 in postage which was bad enough
[20:24] <mapps> i didn't think it would cost even half that..had i known i'd have just ordered it to spain;/
[21:04] <diddledan> it's DONE
[21:05] <diddledan> can we fix it?!
[21:05] <diddledan> YES WE CAN!!
[21:05] <diddledan> so I resorted to manually writing SQL
[21:09] <diddledan> now to package it up so my boss can have a play in the morning
[21:24] <mapps> for what
[21:26] <diddledan> it's a drupal thingy
[21:26] <diddledan> mapps: ^^
[21:26] <diddledan> mapps: we're building-out an intranetty thing for a government department
[21:27] <diddledan> they needed a system status feature that wasn't driven by live updates but controlled by posts in the cms
[21:28] <diddledan> hopefully my SQL is compatible with SQLServer (they won't use mySQL :-()
[21:28] <diddledan> that's my "SQL" in the first case
[21:28] <diddledan> as in my sql-code
[21:29] <diddledan> confusing to have a server called mySQL when you're also talking about your own SQL code
[21:36] <intrbiz> ^^ another reason to use PostgreSQL then
[21:39] <diddledan> lol
[21:45] <mapps> aha
[21:45] <mapps> why not
[21:45] <mapps> mysql is ok
[21:45] <mapps> what about mariaDB
[21:46] <diddledan> maria or mysql would be preferable over ms sqlserver
[21:48] <intrbiz> PostgreSQL would be preferable over Maria, MySQL or MSSQL
[21:51] <mapps> hm
[21:55] <czajkowski> it arrived https://plus.google.com/+LauraCzajkowski/posts/SbRPpDcviAj
[21:56] <mapps> sweet
[21:56] <mapps> :D
[21:57] <mapps> what phone were you using before
[21:59] <czajkowski> samsung 4 zoom
[22:04] <shauno> your postman keeps some odd hours ;)
[22:11] <czajkowski> only in the door