[04:26] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[04:27] <nlsthzn> o/
[04:27]  * nlsthzn is frustrated with the proteas and damn rain
[04:27] <nlsthzn> grrrr
[05:00] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:21] <Jacques_Stry> Morning all
[06:08]  * Kilos crawls in and waves
[06:10] <Kilos> inetpro  i remembered you giving me the clipboard thing on unity, was glipper i think
[06:10] <Kilos> and good morning to you
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:17] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:21] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[06:32] <Padroni> HOla
[06:33] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:36] <Padroni> hi
[06:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:58] <inetpro> nlsthzn: at least we got a wicket now
[06:59] <inetpro> dicey stuff!
[06:59] <Padroni> hi inetpro
[07:11] <Kilos> hmm... me forgot about the cricket
[07:13] <Kilos> helloooo inetpro  nlsthzn  
[07:26] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[07:28] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:28] <TinuvaMac> hi Kilos
[08:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[08:01]  * Padroni waves
[08:02]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[08:04] <Kilos> hmm... looks like hes battling again
[08:08] <magespawn> hi all
[08:09] <magespawn> big storm last night, no power, sorry i missed the meeting
[08:09] <Kilos> meeting tonight magespawn  
[08:09] <Jacques_Stry> isn't meeting today?
[08:09] <magespawn> ah well, then all is well
[08:09] <Jacques_Stry> Almost thaught I missed it too
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:11] <magespawn> hah, let me go clean my calender quickly
[08:12] <Kilos> 4th tuesday of the month
[08:12] <Kilos> if there are 5 tuesdays its still the 4th
[08:24] <superfly> hi Kilos, et al
[08:27] <Padroni> hi superfly
[08:31] <magespawn> just 'found' an IBM Xeon server 
[08:31] <superfly> hey Padroni
[08:31] <superfly> magespawn: nice!
[08:31] <Padroni> hoe gaan dit
[08:31] <Kilos> magespawn  found?
[08:32] <magespawn> looks like an old machine two processors running at 2.8Ghz with 1024 ram
[08:33] <Kilos> where did you find it
[08:33] <magespawn> it was standing in a store, so far it powers up without a problem
[08:33] <Kilos> cool
[08:33] <Kilos> thats fast enoung for a server
[08:33] <Kilos> enough
[08:35] <magespawn> looks like it is running windows server 2003, so obviously that is going to have to change
[08:35] <magespawn> bios date is jan 16 2004
[08:35] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[08:35] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <superfly> Padroni: besig, maar fine, dankie.
[08:37] <Kilos> hi Kerbero  
[08:45] <Kerbero> More oom Kilos 
[08:51] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[08:51] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:51] <psyatw> hi inetpro 
[08:51] <Kilos> wb inetpro  
[08:56] <inetpro> ai!
[08:57] <Kilos> wat breek jy boetie?
[09:02] <psyatw> what is een boetie?
[09:02] <Kilos> brother
[09:03] <Kilos> what are you breaking brother
[09:03] <Kilos> sorry i forget we have non afrikaans speakers here
[09:04] <psyatw> well, I speak dutch
[09:04] <psyatw> it's just that I'm not familiar with all of the slang
[09:05] <Kilos> lol
[09:05] <Kilos> sorry
[09:05] <Kilos> boetie=younger brother
[09:05] <psyatw> aha
[09:05] <Jacques_Stry> or older
[09:05] <psyatw> lol
[09:05] <Kilos> younger
[09:05] <Jacques_Stry> could be both
[09:06] <Kilos> oh ya
[09:06] <Kilos> supposed to be younger but we use it for all brothers
[09:16] <Kilos> when i use it its means younger brother 99% of the time
[09:16] <Kilos> hehe
[09:16] <psyatw> broertje
[09:17] <Kilos> ya i think we use broertjie as well
[09:19] <psyatw> but there isn't as much slang in standard dutch as there seems to be in afrikaans
[09:19] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  ^^
[09:19] <psyatw> as far as I know at least
[09:22] <Jacques_Stry> kilos: then what do you call an older brother "ouboet"?
[09:22] <Kilos> ja
[09:23] <Kilos> thats what i call my heavy
[09:31] <Kilos> but we always say, it doesnt matter what you call me as long as its not late for dinner
[09:31] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[09:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:48] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez_  
[09:49] <arnaudmez_> hi Kilos
[09:49] <arnaudmez_> how's life today
[09:49] <arnaudmez_> ?
[09:49] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:50] <Kilos> watching cricket wc semis
[09:50] <Kilos> very tense
[09:50] <arnaudmez_> :D
[09:50] <arnaudmez_> I'm right bro
[09:51] <arnaudmez_> I got tha exchange fro, evolution 3.10 working like a charm
[09:51] <Kilos> cool well done
[09:51] <arnaudmez_> now left I have to completely learn myself libreoffice, become as strong as possible to get a rod of MS office
[09:52] <Kilos> write a how to so the next guy that battles has something to help
[09:56] <Jacques_Stry> Well you can try kingsoft office - better compatibility with ms office files and interface are more similar
[09:57] <Kilos> ai! we lose
[09:57] <inetpro> ai!
[09:57] <inetpro> that is not on!!
[09:58] <Kilos> not nice no
[09:58] <Jacques_Stry> I tried libreoffice but just couldn't - my office files didn't even display remotely correct
[09:59] <Jacques_Stry> and with kingsoft everything just works
[10:00] <Jacques_Stry> don't use it much these days as I mostly do everything in Google Apps
[10:11] <Padroni> I use libreoffice
[10:11] <Padroni> on my desktop
[10:11] <Padroni> i have found that when someone sends .docx files with images in
[10:11] <Padroni> you can't view it
[10:11] <Padroni> so I open those Word files with my Archive Viewerr
[10:12] <Padroni> and extract it that way
[10:12] <Padroni> crude but effective
[10:18] <arnaudmez_> Jacques_Stry: I will give a try to kinsoft office
[10:21] <arnaudmez_> they're saying there is a version equal to MSO 2013
[10:37] <Kilos> .docx rings a bell , im sure i read one sometime back
[10:37] <Kilos> without installing extra stuff
[10:37] <Jacques_Stry> libre does open them but compatibility is bad 
[10:38] <Kilos> ah
[11:23] <Padroni> yes
[11:23] <Padroni> so bad that you kinda need to decompile the doc to get to the attachments
[11:23] <Padroni> but then again
[11:24] <Padroni> anyone that sends a screenshot via a Word doc should have their damn thumbs removed
[11:24] <Padroni> as they obviously have not evolved past the point of knowing not to eat their own poop
[11:24] <Kilos> maybe i used abiword
[11:25] <Kilos> who knows or cares
[11:25] <Kilos> easier to tell peeps dont send me that yucky stuff
[11:26]  * mazal agrees with Padroni
[11:26] <Private_User> sad people, SA is out, very close though
[11:26] <mazal> Ek wil die horries kry as iemand a screenshot stuur in word doc
[11:26] <Kilos> lol
[11:26] <Kilos> it happens Private_User  
[11:27] <Kilos> good exciting game though
[11:27] <mazal> Rain robbed us
[11:27] <mazal> We would have gotten another huge score if not for that
[11:27] <Kilos> ya
[11:27] <Kilos> who knows
[11:28] <mazal> 3rd world now that rain takes us out
[11:28] <mazal> world cup even
[11:29] <Kilos> we still alive in the super 15 so thats ok
[11:29] <Kilos> go sharks
[11:29] <Private_User> Yeah I agree mazal they would have had a higher score if not for the rain
[11:30] <Jacques_Stry> Go Sharks!, but I think rain was in Sharks favor
[11:31] <Kilos> lol
[11:31] <Kilos> mazal  psensor werk mooi ne
[11:33] <mazal> huh ?
[11:33] <Kilos> o gebruik jy die ander ding
[11:34] <Kilos> check psensor uit
[11:34] <mazal> oh daai , het al vergeet van hom , nog net die een keer dit gecheck
[11:35] <mazal> Can't even remember the command
[11:36] <Kilos> lol
[11:36] <Kilos> psensor just runs in background with an icon on the panel
[11:36] <mazal> Haven't got that far oom
[11:37] <Kilos> lol
[11:37] <mazal> Only did cli
[11:37] <Kilos> als word te veel
[11:38] <mazal> In my case I don't know the how-to for the applet way
[11:38] <Kilos> i didnt do anything other than install psensor
[11:39] <mazal> Nothing is that simple , ever
[11:39] <Kilos> it did all the work itself
[11:39] <mazal> kubuntu ?
[11:39] <Kilos> ya 
[11:40] <Kilos> al wat ek nou gebruik
[11:44] <mazal> Hmm , works nice , installed it now
[11:44] <mazal> A few that I don't know what it is though
[11:44] <mazal> temps I mean
[11:45] <Kilos> ya me too
[11:45] <Kilos> like temp 1 that never changes
[11:45] <Kilos> but too much work to try find that out too
[11:59] <mazal> I wish I knew which fan was which , the fastest one is probably the cpu fan
[12:47] <Kilos> lol , who cares as long as they keep the temp within linits
[12:56]  * Kilos greets tumbleweed  confluency  and other silent members
[12:57] <Kilos> inetpro  the hot spark is gone!
[12:57] <Kilos> fing him , torture him, and bring him back
[12:58] <Kilos> s/fing/find
[12:59] <inetpro> Kilos: give him a break, he probably needs a holiday 
[13:02] <Kilos> what should i break first?
[13:46] <Kilos> ok i agree im strupid, where is the gmail logout button thing
[14:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> click on your face, top right
[14:06] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy  
[14:06] <Kilos> cant get into other accounts till one is logged out
[14:07] <Kilos> oh ya
[14:07] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Meeting tonight , here at 20.30 guys
[14:07] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting tonight , here at 20.30 guys
[14:21] <inetpro> Kilos: why have multiple email accounts?
[14:22] <inetpro> btw, have you and superfly got your ubuntu address yet?
[14:27] <Kilos> ? inetpro  
[14:28] <Kilos> what address
[14:28] <Kilos> i have multiple accounts because
[14:28]  * Kilos thinks a bit
[14:28] <Kilos> oh ya
[14:29] <Kilos> ! is for the xperia with nothing happening there
[14:29] <Kilos> 2 is my main account that you share the addy now and again
[14:30] <Kilos> 3 is for when you are using 2
[14:30]  * Kilos hides
[14:31] <Kilos> I would like to apologize to anyone i have not yet offended, please be patient! i will get to you shortly
[14:33] <inetpro> Kilos: you do know that you can forward messages sent to one account to another?
[14:33] <Kilos> yessir
[14:33] <inetpro> ok
[14:34] <Kilos> 1 is for no activity only the google stuff for xperia
[14:35] <Kilos> the 3rd one i made for places like flashrom and some other stuffs that i dont want on main account as well
[14:35] <Kilos> if you think back it was your suggestion
[14:36] <Kilos> want die eerste een was n lelike epos adres i think you said
[14:36] <Kilos> but now it personifies me
[14:47] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[14:48] <kulelu88> Hi oom
[14:49] <Kilos> meeting here tonight hey
[14:50] <kulelu88> time?
[14:50] <Kilos> 20.30
[14:53] <inetpro> ai!
[14:54] <Kilos> wat nou weer
[14:57] <Kilos> inetpro  the g+ automagic is late
[14:58] <inetpro> no
[14:58] <Kilos> does it remind at 20.25
[14:59] <inetpro> if you use g+ you will have seen enough of the event in the last few days
[14:59] <Kilos> i get mails but none today
[15:00] <Kilos> it reminds via email from 2 weeks before the time
[15:00] <inetpro> you are clearly not a g+ user
[15:00] <Kilos> sigh
[15:00] <Kilos> it wastes valuable data
[15:01] <inetpro> don't worry about it, others use it
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:06] <Mopkop> Hello all!
[15:06] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[15:09] <kulelu88> woops
[15:09] <kulelu88> ctrl +w
[15:12] <Mopkop> kulelu88: Haha, i'm the same. Too much windows...
[15:13] <Mopkop> On the ubuntu-africa site, can we perhaps say "Join us" instead of "Get involved?"
[15:14] <Kilos> thats a good idea in my opinion Mopkop  inetpro  ^^
[15:32] <Kilos> or even Learn more
[15:41] <Mopkop> I just thought that since Ubuntu-Africa is a group rather than a project "Join Us" would be much more descriptive. Also it would be easier to make the page, at least for me.
[15:42] <Kilos> cool then go for it
[15:42] <Kilos> as long as the get ubuntu links are still there i think
[15:43] <Mopkop> That's on a different page.
[15:43] <Kilos> oh ya
[15:44] <Kilos> do what you find easiest Mopkop  the fly will review it and shout at you if it sucks
[15:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:44] <Mopkop> Perhaps IRC should be 'Talk to us' or 'Chat with us' or just 'Chat'. Not everyone will know what is meant by IRC Channel.
[15:44] <Kilos> yes
[15:45] <Kilos> chat with us
[15:45] <Kilos> then you give the link #ubuntu-africa
[15:46] <Mopkop> Yes, and embed the online IRC client.
[15:46] <Kilos> ya that
[15:53] <Mopkop> Everytime I type in nikola new_page it puts the page in the folder where the conf.py is, instead of "pages". Is this normal?
[15:53] <Kilos> hi amanica  
[15:53] <Mopkop> Hello amanica!
[15:54] <amanica> hi guys :)
[15:54] <Kilos> i have no idea Mopkop  
[15:54] <Kilos> but sounds like it could be the way it works
[15:55] <Kilos> if you look at the ubuntu-za site you should see what happens not so?
[15:56] <Mopkop> maybe I could just do this: nikola new_page <page name> && mv <page name> pages/<page name. Oh wait, cd pages should work better....
[15:56] <Kilos> ? im lost with that clever peeps stuff
[15:57] <Mopkop> Lol, it seems like it makes the file in the current directory, so i'm not very clever if I could not figure that out :-/.
[15:58] <Kilos> lol
[15:58] <nuvolari> superfly: ping
[15:58] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  hes afk atm
[15:58] <nuvolari> hi oom 
[15:58] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[15:59] <nuvolari> hmm, I can't remember
[15:59] <Kilos> lol
[15:59] <nuvolari> oh yes!
[15:59] <nuvolari> ghandi
[15:59] <nuvolari> superfly: unping
[15:59] <nuvolari> *gandi
[16:00] <nuvolari> :'(
[16:00] <nuvolari> someone took johan.name!
[16:02] <nuvolari> very funky... I don't know what it means: johan.みんな
[16:02] <Kilos> haha
[16:02] <Kilos> looks cool though
[16:02] <Kilos> hard for peeps that dont know tab complete
[16:50] <Kilos> Mopkop  i think you can leave out the website bit where it says You can be involved in improving our web site
[16:50] <Kilos> peeps can look but only we will do whats needed
[16:51] <Mopkop> You mean in the Africa sites?
[16:51] <Kilos> also the part about bzr and branching
[16:51] <Kilos> ya
[16:52] <Mopkop> Yes I was planning on doing that. I'm not using the ubuntu-za site as reference.
[16:52] <Kilos> cool
[16:52] <Mopkop> For now, I'm just concetrating on the first 3 pages and the links.
[16:52] <Kilos> cool
[16:52] <Kilos> dont forget you task hey
[16:53] <Kilos> project
[16:55] <Mopkop> On the 'Join us' page, I have a 'Why join', 'Who can join' and 'How to join'. Under How to join, i'll put a shot walkthrough on what needs to be done -j oining Lauchpad and so forth. 
[16:56] <Mopkop> I'm working on my assignment during the day, 8 - 5 :)
[16:56] <Kilos> aha
[17:04] <captine> evening all
[17:05] <Kilos> hi captine  
[17:05] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:05] <magespawn> hi captine
[17:05] <magespawn> hi all
[17:05] <Kilos> ohi magespawn  too
[17:05] <captine> enjoy.  just ate 
[17:05] <Kilos> ty
[17:08] <Mopkop> Hello captine, magespawn!
[17:10] <captine> hi hi
[17:12] <magespawn> hi Mopkop 
[17:12] <nuvolari> why the bleep is the interweb so slow whenever it's meeting night? :'(
[17:13] <nuvolari> I need to cook some food. bbl
[17:13] <magespawn> not too sure if that is the cause, but there is somehing going on for sure
[17:15] <Squirm> Good evening
[17:16] <magespawn> hi Squirm 
[17:16] <magespawn> have you guys read this http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/09/microsoft-teaches-best-buy-employees-how-to-troll-linux-users/
[17:18] <captine> nope.  reading now
[17:18] <magespawn> would be funny, except for the fact that many people will believe it
[17:23] <Squirm> magespawn: That's hilarious
[17:23] <Squirm> and ridiculous 
[17:24] <magespawn> got it from the mailing list
[17:24] <magespawn> but because of the resonable presentation people will not question it
[17:28] <magespawn> a  bit like the ones they put out against google, gmail man and are you getting scroogled?
[17:32] <captine> magespawn, old article, but interesting
[17:34] <Mopkop> Kilos: Have you made a Facebook page for Ubuntu Africa yet?
[17:34] <Kilos> nope i dont like facebook
[17:35] <Mopkop> Kilos: Should I make it then?
[17:35] <Kilos> is the site finished?
[17:35] <Mopkop> No, not yet, just putting in the links so long.
[17:35] <Kilos> you can make a fb page if you like
[17:38] <Mopkop> And twitter and stuff. Is it really necessary for now. I mean if no-one is going to maintain those pages, should we link it to the site. Maybe post-pone the social links, until we actually have social links?
[17:42] <Kilos> ya maybe
[17:42] <Kilos> social stuff can wait but not irc
[17:42] <Kilos> everyone is on twitter anyway'
[17:45] <Mopkop> Is there a meeting tonight?
[17:46] <Kilos> yes Mopkop  in 45 minutes
[17:47] <Kilos> hi qwebirc29381  
[17:50] <qwebirc29381> hi kilos, amanica here, trying out the web irc, can't seem to set my nick:(
[17:50] <Kilos> haha
[17:50] <Kilos>   /nick newnick
[17:50] <Kilos> ah you made it
[17:51] <magespawn> captine: you know i almost never check the date until someone says something
[17:52] <amanica1> thx kilos :)
[17:52] <Kilos> np
[17:52] <Kilos> magespawn  meeting tonight hey
[17:52] <Kilos> i dunno where fly and pro are
[17:52] <magespawn> yes, i will be here, unless the power goes agian
[17:53] <magespawn> working, then family
[17:53] <Kilos> where is your fancy fone
[17:53] <magespawn> which one? lol
[17:53] <magespawn> no data left
[17:53] <Kilos> you got more than 1
[17:54] <magespawn> well i think i do
[17:54] <Kilos> so no excuse to miss meetings
[17:54]  * Kilos makes a note of that
[17:59] <Mopkop> Power out?
[18:00] <Kilos> ai!
[18:02] <Kilos> hi qwebirc41112  
[18:02] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[18:02] <Kilos> hi meesterarend  long time no see
[18:03] <meesterarend> jip
[18:03] <meesterarend> very busy schedule here
[18:03] <meesterarend> :P
[18:03] <Kilos> all good with you
[18:03] <meesterarend> always
[18:03] <Kilos> ai! man never too busy for a 1 hour a month meeting at nigh
[18:04] <stickyboy> I'mma ride for my mo-f$^@& n&$&@.
[18:04] <Kilos> t
[18:04] <stickyboy> I'mma die for my mo-f%#^&@ n&$@*!.
[18:04] <meesterarend> hehehe
[18:04] <meesterarend> i wish
[18:04] <Kilos> hi stickyboy  you in the states?
[18:04] <stickyboy> Gangsta rap gets the juices flowing, yo.
[18:04] <stickyboy> Writing a grant. :D
[18:04] <stickyboy> Kilos: Nah, Thursday night.
[18:04] <Kilos> ah well you can attend our meeting tonight here
[18:04] <Kilos> and behave
[18:05] <Kilos> forget the rap stuff
[18:05] <stickyboy> Oh snap, definitely.
[18:05] <stickyboy> I'm here, ish.
[18:06] <Kilos> haha
[18:06] <Kilos> forget multitasking as well
[18:06] <stickyboy> You should talk about my GitHub streak in your meeting.
[18:06] <magespawn> that will never happen Kilos 
[18:06] <stickyboy> https://github.com/alanorth/  16 days!
[18:06] <Kilos> oh wait
[18:06] <Kilos> i was supposed to sjambok you
[18:07] <Kilos> something on your github sh=tuff didnt work'
[18:07] <meesterarend> gtg again was good to check in and see such a bussy channel
[18:07] <meesterarend> :P
[18:08] <Kilos> meesterarend  no man
[18:08] <Kilos> meeting starts in 20 minutes
[18:08] <Kilos> sjoe julle maak my oud
[18:09] <stickyboy> lol
[18:09] <stickyboy> Please stay, we have hot chocolate!
[18:09] <stickyboy> Wait, I drank it.
[18:09] <Kilos> hehe and cyber coffee
[18:09] <magespawn> plenty of coffee though
[18:09]  * Squirm looks around
[18:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[18:09] <Squirm> Kilos: If I'm not here, get nuvolari to drop me a message :P
[18:09] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[18:09]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:10] <Kilos> Squirm  when?
[18:10] <Kilos> meeting in 20
[18:10] <Squirm> For the meeting?
[18:10] <Squirm> then
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:10] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[18:10] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[18:10] <Kilos> where are you going
[18:10] <magespawn> Maaz large please
[18:10] <Maaz> magespawn: Huh?
[18:10] <Squirm> To cook dinner
[18:10] <magespawn> Maaz large 
[18:10] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you magespawn
[18:11] <Kilos> whew hurry, only time for fried eggs
[18:11] <Squirm> Lamb chops
[18:11] <Squirm> and cous-cous
[18:11] <Squirm> Mmmmmm
[18:11] <Kilos> no time man do that after meet
[18:11] <Kilos> hehe
[18:11] <magespawn> sounds really good
[18:12] <Kilos> hurry Squirm  
[18:12] <Squirm> Kilos: nope
[18:12] <Squirm> Food now
[18:12] <Squirm> Meet later I'm afraid
[18:12] <Kilos> hurry
[18:12] <Squirm> Lol
[18:12] <Kilos> dont burn the chops
[18:12] <Squirm> I'll chat to you after the meet then, plenty of time for you to chat to me if you want to
[18:12] <Squirm> Didn't know I was so popular
[18:13] <Kilos> we need you at meets man not after
[18:13] <Kilos> sigh
[18:13] <Kilos> numbers
[18:13] <Kilos> all about the numbers
[18:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and magespawn!
[18:13] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[18:13] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:14] <Kilos> hi clr_  
[18:15] <Kilos> inetpro  15 mins
[18:15] <Kilos> dont be late please
[18:15] <Kilos> im tired
[18:17] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[18:17] <Tonberry_> hello
[18:17] <Kilos> you here for the meeting?
[18:18] <Kilos> no beer night tonight
[18:18] <Tonberry_> no, just turned everything on while waiting for my dinner to finish cooking
[18:18] <Kilos> sigh
[18:18] <stickyboy> Kilos: I'm also cooking fried eggs, LOL.
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <stickyboy> And I made a nice loaf of bread last night.
[18:18] <Kilos> cool
[18:18] <stickyboy> So I'll have some nice toast with some melted cheddar.
[18:18] <stickyboy> Oh baby
[18:19] <Kilos> you gonna get fatter
[18:19] <Kilos> Padroni  ping
[18:19] <Padroni> Yo
[18:20] <Kilos> yay meeting here in 10
[18:20] <Padroni> ok
[18:20] <Padroni> ping me again
[18:20] <Padroni> in 10
[18:20] <Kilos> ok
[18:23] <kulelu88> longdrop botha
[18:23] <Langjan> Hi Kilos et al 
[18:23] <Kilos> hi Langjan  
[18:24] <Kilos> nice to see you here oom
[18:24] <Langjan> Thks seuntjie, please help, how do you get to the name of the person chatting to without typing it out?
[18:25] <Kilos> hi dragonfly  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:25]  * stickyboy eats some cheese.
[18:25] <stickyboy> DragonflyBSD...
[18:25] <Kilos> type first 3 or 4 characters and hit tab
[18:25] <stickyboy> https://www.dragonflybsd.org/
[18:26] <stickyboy> They do some awesome stuff (like all the BSDs).
[18:26] <stickyboy> They have some cool filesystem stuff.
[18:27] <Langjan>  Like so Kilos ?  
[18:27] <kulelu88> hit the tab button oom Langjan 
[18:27] <kulelu88> Lan + tab = Langjan 
[18:27] <Langjan> I did and it worked kulelu88 
[18:27] <Langjan> wow!
[18:27] <Kilos> yay well make a geek out of you yet
[18:28] <Langjan> Die oui man leer nuwe truuks
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <kulelu88> truuks is nie afrikaans nie :O
[18:28] <Kilos> about the only thing i am comfortable with is irc
[18:28] <Langjan> Wat is dit dan kulelu88 
[18:28] <magespawn> Kilos: and data recovery
[18:29] <Langjan> Portugees? of Ingels?
[18:29] <magespawn> and redoing things 9 or 10 times to get it right
[18:29] <Kilos> lol @ magespawn  
[18:29] <magespawn> most people would give up
[18:29] <Kilos> normally i get irc stuff first time
[18:30]  * nuvolari tiptoes in
[18:30]  * Jacques_StrY sit's down
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:30] <Kilos> Padroni  ping
[18:30] <kulelu88> oom Kilos is a master at minetest construction. what a lovely home <3
[18:30] <Kilos> nuvolari  take over
[18:31] <kulelu88> ek weet nie oom Langjan 
[18:31] <Kilos> haha
[18:31]  * Padroni waves
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (March 2015)
[18:31]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:31] <Langjan> Lmga, nou het jy 'n nuwe truuk aangeleer
[18:31] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:31] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone
[18:31] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:31] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[18:31] <nuvolari> This is our IRC get-together for March
[18:32] <Jacques_StrY> Maaz I am Jacques Strydom
[18:32] <Maaz> Jacques_StrY: Sure
[18:32] <nuvolari> I trust everyone had a good month! Hopefully not too busy
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: Yessir
[18:32] <nuvolari> Hi oom Kilos, kulelu88, Langjan, magespawn, Jacques_StrY 
[18:32] <Kilos> wb superfly  
[18:32] <nuvolari> and stickyboy 
[18:33] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  ty for taking over
[18:33] <Langjan> I'm visiting short tonight, got up for the cricket then played bowls tournament all day, rekke is pap! 
[18:33] <Mopkop> Moet ek ook hierdie I am ding doen?
[18:33] <Kilos> sjoe ok Langjan  
[18:33] <nuvolari> heh, all good Langjan 
[18:33] <nuvolari> Mopkop: yes please
[18:33] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:33] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[18:33] <nuvolari> oh hi superfly 
[18:33] <Kilos> ja Mopkop  asb
[18:33] <Mopkop> Maaz I am Ashton van Niekerk
[18:33] <Maaz> Mopkop: Done
[18:33] <Padroni> Maaz I am Padroni
[18:33] <Maaz> Padroni: Yessir
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:33] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:34] <captine> Maaz, I am Bradley Putzier
[18:34] <Maaz> captine: Righto
[18:34] <Langjan> I am Jan Greeff
[18:34] <Kilos> you must put maaz in front Langjan  
[18:34] <nuvolari> for anyone interested, tonight's agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150324
[18:35] <Kilos> the bot keeps records of meetings
[18:35] <amanica1> Maaz: I am Marius Kruger
[18:35] <Maaz> amanica1: Sure
[18:35] <nuvolari> oh hi captine, inetpro, amanica1 
[18:35] <dragonfly> Maaz: I am DragonFly
[18:35] <Maaz> dragonfly: Okay
[18:35] <kulelu88> hello nuvolari 
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[18:36] <inetpro> hi everyone
[18:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:36] <Kilos> lol inetpro  i was calling you for the meeting
[18:36] <inetpro> oh
[18:36] <nuvolari> I like the new structure we have, with the logs in the meeting page
[18:36] <kulelu88> Maaz, I am kulelu88 
[18:36] <Maaz> kulelu88: Yessir
[18:36] <nuvolari> so if you guys want to review the previous minutes, it's on last month's page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150224
[18:37] <nuvolari> *guys and ladies
[18:38] <amanica1> hi nuvolari :)
[18:38]  * nuvolari smacks Squirm with a foam-bat
[18:38] <kulelu88> girls on the internet :O
[18:38] <clr_> Maaz: I am Charl le Roux
[18:38] <Maaz> clr_: Righto
[18:38] <Kilos> there are very clever ubuntu women
[18:38] <magespawn> ain't it cool
[18:39] <inetpro> confluency: please talk to kulelu88
[18:39] <kulelu88> I say after the meeting we all go do some digging
[18:39] <kulelu88> no I'm shy inetpro *blush*
[18:40] <nuvolari> lol
[18:40] <inetpro> digging sounds like hard work
[18:40] <inetpro> especially so after a CWC loss
[18:40] <Kilos> kulelu88  our number 1 contact person for ubuntu is a lady as well
[18:41] <nuvolari> we need more gurlz in the secret club though
[18:41] <nuvolari> ladies in tech need more support
[18:41] <kulelu88> What's on the agenda tonight
[18:42] <nuvolari> kulelu88: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150324
[18:42] <Kilos> i didnt add so will go with the flow
[18:42] <nuvolari> we don't have a lot that's new, but we should focus on 15.04?
[18:42] <Kilos> hi qwebirc33542  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:42] <nuvolari> do you maybe know of any events being planned?
[18:42] <nuvolari> it's next month...
[18:42] <Kilos> and welcome to our monthly meeting
[18:43] <kulelu88> nuvolari: is systemd now fully integrated into 15.04 and onwards?
[18:43] <nuvolari> the age old problem of everyone being busy is taking its toll :(
[18:43] <magespawn> as always
[18:43] <nuvolari> kulelu88: I'm not sure :) my ear is too far from the track these days
[18:44] <inetpro> nuvolari: DFD2015
[18:44] <inetpro> tomorrow
[18:44] <kulelu88> nuvolari: nobody is *that* busy. Let's just be honest and say that folks aren't that interested in these things
[18:44] <captine> inetpro, dont see any South african events for DFD
[18:45] <inetpro> captine: you can still arrange something
[18:45] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: systemd implemented is beta so yes
[18:45] <inetpro> like a office party
[18:45] <captine> inetpro, lol.  I sent details to our IT team... didnt get a positive feeling back...
[18:45] <Mopkop> What do you guys think of Mir?
[18:46] <inetpro> Mopkop: that's offtopic now
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <kulelu88> I'd attend an ubuntu event if its on the weekend
[18:46] <Mopkop> inetpro: O sorry...
[18:46] <kulelu88> is anybody going for the software development weekend in April?
[18:46] <Kilos> hi nardusg  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:46] <captine> kulelu88, never heard of software dev weekend.
[18:47] <nardusg> Howdy
[18:48] <amanica1> so far I'm not planing a release party for this release, will probably do one again for the next LTS 
[18:49] <Jacques_StrY> For those interested Ubuntu is hosting Openstack webinar tomorrow http://goo.gl/jWAatp
[18:49] <kulelu88> for anybody that is interested: http://www.meetup.com/coderetreat/events/221168158/
[18:50] <Kilos> inetpro  can you take over please
[18:50] <Kilos> netwerk is beneuk
[18:50] <Kilos> thats from nuvolari  
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: serious!?
[18:50] <inetpro> eish!
[18:51] <kulelu88> so do we wish to do more physical open-source related things now? like coding, documentation, etc. ?
[18:51] <Kilos> ek probeer net my mtn netwerk op kry
[18:51] <inetpro> ai!, ok, let's try
[18:51] <inetpro> where are we?
[18:52] <Kilos> kulelu88  there are always opening for those that can help the bug report peeps
[18:52] <Kilos> hi eebrah  
[18:52] <Kilos> welcome to uibuntu-za
[18:52] <captine> daughter waking and going nuts.  gotto run.  will check the logs later.
[18:52] <nuvolari> dafuq :( mtn/afrihost
[18:52] <Kilos> ubuntu-za as well
[18:52] <Kilos> ok captine  
[18:53] <kulelu88> you need axxess, nuvolari 
[18:53] <Kilos> hi zipper  wb
[18:53] <zipper> Kilos: Hi
[18:53] <magespawn> kulelu88: same company
[18:53] <inetpro> kulelu88: Gauteng 2015 Autumn Code Retreat a FLOSS event?
[18:53]  * nuvolari googles SFD
[18:53] <nuvolari> when is SFD inetpro ?
[18:53] <kulelu88> inetpro: I think so.
[18:54] <kulelu88> I'm going to attend (I hope) so that I can write some code
[18:54] <Kilos> kulelu88  are you interested in helping fix bugs
[18:54] <eebrah> hi Kilos
[18:54] <kulelu88> Kilos: I could, depending on the language
[18:55] <Kilos> can i put you forward to the ubuntu council?
[18:55] <Kilos> english
[18:55] <zipper> I use ubuntu because I can't get viruses when I browse even the worst porn sites.
[18:55] <inetpro> nuvolari: SFD is only in September
[18:55] <nuvolari> oh, dfd
[18:55] <nuvolari> :P
[18:55] <kulelu88> oom Kilos, the programming language :P maybe they don't need code-fixers but more analysts to look at bugs
[18:56] <Kilos> oh those languages
[18:56] <Langjan> Maaz, I am Jan Greeff
[18:56] <Maaz> Langjan: Yessir
[18:56] <Kilos> i spose all
[18:56] <Kilos> well done oom Langjan  
[18:56] <inetpro> when is the next UDS?
[18:56] <Langjan> Slow but sure Kilos 
[18:56] <inetpro> UDS = Ubuntu Developer Summit
[18:56] <kulelu88> loads of Ubuntu is written in Python IMO
[18:56] <kulelu88> or rather, IIRC
[18:57] <nuvolari> ah, DFD: https://documentfreedom.org/
[18:57] <Kilos> ill find out more and let you know
[18:57] <Kilos> i know there is a request out for more helpers
[18:57] <inetpro> nuvolari: yes, sorry for not giving alink
[18:57] <Kilos> doing that will be a big + towards getting membership
[18:57] <nuvolari> I'm definitely going to spread the word tomorrow
[18:59] <inetpro> events we need to focus on are: Ubuntu Developer Summit, Ubuntu Global Jam, Ubuntu Hour, Installfest, Release Parties
[18:59] <inetpro> any others?
[18:59] <nuvolari> oh hi Vince-0 
[18:59] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[18:59] <kulelu88> Why not get an Ubuntu Conference going
[18:59] <nuvolari> hmm, not that I can think of
[19:00] <Vince-0> SuP!
[19:00] <nuvolari> kulelu88: human resources :P
[19:00] <Kilos> meeting you can join Vince-0  
[19:00] <nuvolari> we're out of those :'(
[19:00] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[19:00] <Maaz> Vince-0: Alrighty
[19:00] <magespawn> kulelu88: i like that idea
[19:01] <nuvolari> Actually there's much going on in Cape Town, I don't know why there aren't more Linux-related stuff happening
[19:01] <magespawn> nobody brought it up probably
[19:01] <nuvolari> a conference would be awesome
[19:01] <inetpro> Ubuntu Hours 2015 http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2979/
[19:01] <kulelu88> well cape town would be the place to do it
[19:01] <superfly> There's DebConf16
[19:02] <inetpro> superfly: link?
[19:03] <kulelu88> here's something outrageous. have an ubuntu conference like how they have Joomla ones. at a varsity with cheap accommodation 
[19:03] <superfly> no link yet
[19:03] <superfly> not an official one
[19:03] <inetpro> ok
[19:03] <stickyboy> Maaz: I am Alan Orth
[19:03] <Maaz> stickyboy: Alrighty
[19:03] <Kilos> hi williamk  
[19:03] <nuvolari> oh hi williamk, welcom e:)
[19:03] <stickyboy> Oh... what does that do. :D
[19:03] <williamk> Hi all
[19:03] <nuvolari> *welcome
[19:03] <superfly> inetpro: here's the bid page: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town
[19:04] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic
[19:04] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[19:04] <nuvolari> Maaz: current topic
[19:04] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[19:04] <nuvolari> :-/
[19:04] <kulelu88> untrusted connection
[19:04] <Kilos> lol different you
[19:04] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[19:04] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:04] <Kilos> who trusts mtn anyway
[19:05] <Vince-0> brb
[19:05] <magespawn> inetpro maybe coordinate it all through trello
[19:05] <nuvolari> a bit late to add the topic :P
[19:05]  * inetpro thought it was added already
[19:05] <nuvolari> williamk: I think I saw some meeting activity organised by you guys?
[19:05] <nuvolari> or did that pass already?
[19:05]  * magespawn have nt been back in awhile
[19:06] <superfly> kulelu88: self-signed
[19:07] <williamk> nuvolari - that did pass already? no one responded ( disappointed )
[19:07] <williamk> I will try again soon
[19:07] <Kilos> ai!
[19:07] <nuvolari> hmm :(
[19:07] <inetpro> Maaz: minutes so far
[19:07] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-03-24-18-31-27.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-03-24-18-31-27.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-03-24-18-31-27.html
[19:07] <nuvolari> ah!
[19:07] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[19:08] <inetpro> nuvolari: your connection ok now?
[19:08] <nuvolari> inetpro: it seems like it, thank you
[19:08] <kulelu88> nuvolari: we only see you once a month
[19:08] <Vince-0> So what's the current topic 
[19:09] <inetpro> ok... time running out, please go ahead
[19:09]  * nuvolari is ashamed of himself
[19:09] <nuvolari> :P
[19:09] <nuvolari> Vince-0: Events
[19:09] <Vince-0> Does anyone following Ubuntu UDS
[19:10] <nuvolari> unf! mtn you suck
[19:10] <Jacques_StrY> Vince-0, that's in November i think
[19:11] <nuvolari> inetpro: we don't have a lot of topics, or should we move on to the plans for 2015 item?
[19:11] <nuvolari> (think we kinda switched them around)
[19:11] <inetpro> nuvolari: we were slack this month
[19:11]  * inetpro still not quite ready for membership
[19:11] <inetpro> just yet
[19:11] <nuvolari> yeah
[19:11] <nuvolari> likewise
[19:12] <Kilos> ai1
[19:12] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed: take event discussions to mailing list
[19:12] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[19:12] <williamk> may I add a topic
[19:12] <Kilos> ai! as well
[19:12] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed take event discussions to mailing list
[19:12] <Maaz> Agreed: take event discussions to mailing list
[19:12] <Kilos> yes please williamk  
[19:12] <captine> Vince-0, I try, but havent managed to do it successfully.  just watch youtube videos after the fact
[19:12] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Plans for 2015
[19:12] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2015
[19:12] <Squirm> hello
[19:12] <Kilos> wb Squirm  
[19:13] <Squirm> Maaz: I am Sinjin Swanepoel
[19:13] <Maaz> Squirm: Righto
[19:13] <nuvolari> Right, so we really want to have more people apply for Ubuntu Membership. I've been putting it off for too long now
[19:13] <Squirm> Woop
[19:13] <nuvolari> but stuff gets in the way 
[19:13] <inetpro> nuvolari: williamk wanted to say something
[19:14] <kulelu88> individual ubuntu membership?
[19:14] <nuvolari> add topic vs. saying something 
[19:14] <nuvolari> but ok
[19:14] <inetpro> williamk: ?
[19:14] <nuvolari> williamk: you have the mic
[19:14] <williamk> Documentation User Group, creating ECDL manuals ( http://ecdl.org/ ) as well as manuals for School Subjects based on DBE curriculum
[19:15] <Kilos> Langjan  you watching?
[19:15] <inetpro> nuvolari: let's keep that for Miscellaneous
[19:15] <williamk> Based on Ubuntu LTS, and Debian
[19:16] <Kilos> ballies mustnt try multitask on meeting nights
[19:16] <Mopkop> Suggestion: Maybe we should put available events with details on the website?
[19:16] <inetpro> nuvolari: mr chairman, are you still with us?
[19:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:17] <nuvolari> inetpro: I am
[19:17] <nuvolari> confused now
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <nuvolari> which should be for misc?
[19:17] <Kilos> dont eat and chair same time
[19:17] <nuvolari> I'm not
[19:18]  * inetpro suggests moving on to the Miscellaneous topic and then to williamk's topic
[19:18] <nuvolari> right
[19:18] <williamk> Book/Manual creation software, Mediawiki, Pubsweet or Booktype
[19:18] <nuvolari> hang on williamk :P
[19:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:18] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:18] <nuvolari> ok, go
[19:19] <nuvolari> I was just wondering how involved school students would be able to become
[19:19] <inetpro> Mopkop: we should actually talk about events all the time and just summarise them in the agenda before each meeting
[19:20] <nuvolari> I know I had a passion for learning new things and as a matter of fact, back then I had more 'free time' and drive to document stuff for myself
[19:21] <williamk> Mediawiki : http://www.mediawiki.org , Pubsweet : https://github.com/BookSprints/PubSweet , Booktype : https://github.com/sourcefabric/Booktypeyout
[19:22] <inetpro> williamk: perhaps you should join us here more often and enlighten us as we go, or write up something for us on the mailing list
[19:22]  * Kilos agrees
[19:22] <magespawn> +1
[19:22] <magespawn> i get a 404 of that laswt link
[19:23] <kulelu88> nuvolari: in the age of whatsapp and co, the interest will be faint
[19:23] <Kilos> yip 404 on last link williamk  
[19:23] <nuvolari> yeah... :-/
[19:23] <nuvolari> drones of social media
[19:24] <kulelu88> wouldn't it be better to spread ubuntu on a cost-based model. it's cheaper for schools
[19:24]  * inetpro votes for moving on to other Miscellaneous topics
[19:24] <nuvolari> in terms of writing documentation?
[19:25] <nuvolari> ack, already at 25 past
[19:25] <magespawn> kulelu88: i have tried for four years at my sons school
[19:25] <kulelu88> outcome? magespawn 
[19:25] <nuvolari> was there anyone that tried signing the ubuntu code of conduct recently?
[19:26] <nuvolari> or that need help doing that?
[19:26] <magespawn> they installed win 7
[19:26] <Kilos> yes a few
[19:26] <Kilos> there is a how to on trello nuvolari  
[19:26] <nuvolari> Kilos: a few doing it or needing help
[19:26] <nuvolari> ah
[19:26] <nuvolari> nvm.
[19:26] <kulelu88> magespawn: aah well that makes it easier to give up
[19:26] <nuvolari> cool!
[19:27] <Kilos> b ut still stays a mission
[19:27] <kulelu88> I wonder if we could have monthly meetings on the minetest server. 
[19:27] <kulelu88> :D
[19:27] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[19:28] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[19:28] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <magespawn> no bot to record the meeting
[19:28] <nuvolari> I'll have a look, it can't be extremely difficult
[19:28] <williamk> Booktype : https://github.com/sourcefabric/Booktype
[19:28] <Kilos> the gpg key is what makes it harder nuvolari  
[19:29] <kulelu88> won't there be a text log on the server? ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:29] <Kilos> ty williamk  that works
[19:29] <inetpro> anything else?
[19:29] <Kilos> graeme isnt here nights
[19:29] <williamk> inetpro "write up something for us on the mailing list", will do
[19:29] <nuvolari> and how are we on ubuntu-za launchpad id's?
[19:29] <kulelu88> nuvolari: Something that would be nice for all of us to learn is how to use a nice linux mail client and to use pgp encryption for emails
[19:30] <Kilos> nuvolari  we have 81 peeps on launchpad
[19:30] <nuvolari> Kilos: that's good, an increase, I'm sure?
[19:31] <Kilos> but min here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[19:31]  * inetpro thanks Kilos for efforts to grow the community
[19:31] <Kilos> I asked in the list for peeps to enter their info or mail me the details
[19:32] <Kilos> only a pleasure inetpro  
[19:32] <Kilos> then i get you guys to do the real work
[19:33] <nuvolari> hmm, need to urge them peeps to become members
[19:33] <inetpro> oh and thanks to superfly, Mopkop and captine for helping with building of our websites
[19:33] <nuvolari> it will be nice to have a good long list
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: did I leave out others?
[19:33] <Mopkop> My plessure!
[19:33] <Kilos> nope i dont think so
[19:33] <inetpro> guys, please get involved!
[19:34] <Kilos> mayjac
[19:34] <Kilos> maybe Jacques_StrY  
[19:34] <nuvolari> Trello is coming along quite well
[19:34] <nuvolari> lots of activity there
[19:34] <Jacques_StrY> Nah I'm not involved enough yet
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: oh, of course all the dudes on here on a daily basis are magic also
[19:34] <Kilos> any bit thats done we are grateful for Jacques_StrY  
[19:35] <kulelu88> what is the end game of spreading ubuntu? Kilos nuvolari 
[19:35] <Kilos> yes we must ask williamk  to try attend here more
[19:35] <nuvolari> kulelu88: hang on, we need to finish the agenda first
[19:35] <Kilos> he can pull the lug guys in with him
[19:36]  * nuvolari misses kbmonkey :'(
[19:36] <Kilos> end game is world domination
[19:36] <Jacques_StrY> I'll give a report on state of OSS in schools and problems faced to implement
[19:36] <inetpro> nuvolari: topic please
[19:36] <Kilos> ill see if i can finf=d monkey again
[19:36] <captine> Jacques_StrY, you work on OSS in schools?
[19:36] <captine> I am very interested in that
[19:36]  * Padroni thinks Jacques had DAMN WELL BETTER BE...
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <nuvolari> ok, moving on, need to close off
[19:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:37]  * Kilos votes nuvolari
[19:37]  * nuvolari will try to prepare a bit better for April
[19:37]  * Jacques_StrY seconds
[19:37] <nuvolari> I'm available :)
[19:37] <Kilos> nuvolari  have your connection sorted
[19:38] <Kilos> fone and complain
[19:38] <Kilos> or email the ceos
[19:38] <inetpro> we need more volunteers as a backup next time
[19:38]  * Mopkop thirds
[19:38]  * Jacques_StrY feels nuvolari's pain - currently on wireless too
[19:38]  * inetpro was ill prepared to take over as well
[19:38] <inetpro> +1 for nuvolari
[19:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: Agreed Chairperson for next meeting: nuvolari 
[19:38] <Maaz> Agreed: Chairperson for next meeting: nuvolari
[19:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:38] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:39] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150428
[19:39] <inetpro> 28 April 2015
[19:39] <nuvolari> maaz: Agreed next meeting will be 28 April 2015
[19:39] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting will be 28 April 2015
[19:39] <Kilos> lol he is looking for a calender
[19:40] <nuvolari> was. cli= cal -3
[19:40] <nuvolari> :P
[19:40] <nuvolari> ok
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[19:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[19:41] <nuvolari> thank you for taking the time to be here everyone
[19:41] <inetpro> how do we calculate the 4th Thursday of the month on the cli?
[19:41] <nuvolari> we appreciate your time and inlolvement
[19:41]  * Kilos thanks nuvolari  for being our chair
[19:41] <magespawn> no problem
[19:41] <nuvolari> inetpro: well, visually, just do 'cal -3'
[19:41] <nuvolari> not 'cal 3'
[19:41] <nuvolari> cal -3 will show 3 months, prev, current, next
[19:41] <Squirm> ^^
[19:42] <nuvolari> cal 3 wil show the year's cal for the year 3
[19:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: no man, would just be nice to have a straight answer to that question :-)
[19:42] <nuvolari> oh
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:42] <Kilos> jou beurt id=s jou beurt
[19:42] <Kilos> is
[19:42] <nuvolari> inetpro: my sed+awk skills aren't up to scratch yet
[19:43] <Jacques_StrY> captine, is it OK if I explain current state of OSS in schools tomorrow?
[19:43] <nuvolari> See you all at next month's meeting!
[19:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: End meeting
[19:43] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:43] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-03-24-18-31-27.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-03-24-18-31-27.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-03-24-18-31-27.html
[19:43] <inetpro> nuvolari: like date -d 'next Friday'
[19:43] <Jacques_StrY> captine: it's a bit of a long one
[19:43] <Kilos> nuvolari  you will spend some more time here during the month as well
[19:44] <williamk> "state of OSS in schools", part of the problem is that we don't have certification for things like ECDL, we can take that barrier away by creating manuals for ECDL,
[19:44] <magespawn> sorry inetpro you want a straight answer? mister man page? lol
[19:44] <Kilos> rofl
[19:44] <Kilos> rtfs
[19:44] <williamk> also creating manuals for school subjects, not only using FLOSS for the subject, but also creating the manual with FLOSS
[19:45] <inetpro> date -d 'next Tuesday + 4 weeks'
[19:45] <Kilos> williamk  will you please put all this info on the mailing list so everything is in one place as well
[19:45] <Jacques_StrY> williamk: I'll look in to that tomorrow  - seems promising
[19:46] <inetpro> thanks nuvolari
[19:46] <williamk> Will do
[19:46] <Kilos> lanjan also asked me about  it last week
[19:46] <kulelu88> williamk: are you part of the JLUG on meetup.com?
[19:46] <magespawn> inetpro that gives 00:00:00 as the time, how would you change that?
[19:47] <Kilos> dbnlug
[19:47] <williamk> kulelu88 : no
[19:47] <inetpro> magespawn: date -d 'next Tuesday + 4 weeks' '+%A, %d %b %Y'
[19:48] <inetpro> magespawn: man date
[19:48] <Kilos> rofl
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm serious
[19:48] <nuvolari> :-/ wtf
[19:48] <nuvolari> how do I preserve the formatting?
[19:48] <magespawn> touche inetpro 
[19:48] <inetpro> :-)
[19:49]  * Kilos hates man pages
[19:49] <inetpro> lots of more interesting options
[19:49] <Kilos> my man pages have names
[19:49] <nuvolari> oh, i get it
[19:49] <Kilos> inetpro  and superfly  
[19:49] <Jacques_StrY> lol
[19:49] <magespawn> lol
[19:49] <inetpro> ai!
[19:49] <magespawn> beat me to it
[19:49] <Squirm> nuvolari: Down to 60, will upload tomorrow
[19:50] <Kilos> i think this meet went well
[19:50] <inetpro> Kilos: we can do better
[19:50] <Kilos> we got something to work on
[19:50] <Kilos> yes we can inetpro  if we can prepare better
[19:51] <Kilos> and we need thinkers like williamk  here more often to help us work on things
[19:52] <Jacques_StrY> True
[19:52] <inetpro> williamk: you see that?
[19:52] <Kilos> williamk  congrats on all you are doing in durbs
[19:52] <Squirm> Gnight all
[19:52] <inetpro> williamk: you are needed!
[19:52] <Kilos> night Squirm  
[19:52] <inetpro> good night Squirm
[19:52] <nuvolari> night Squirm 
[19:53] <nuvolari> ok, meeting page updated with minutes and summary
[19:53] <Kilos> lets all see what we can do about these books i think
[19:53] <Mopkop> Night Squirm!
[19:53] <Kilos> that will be a good start'
[19:54] <Kilos> ty nuvolari  now inetpro  can do the team report
[19:55] <Kilos> oh actually if i know what to ask i can ask the main buntu peeps what is available world wide
[20:00] <williamk> Thanks for your comments, one step at a time, let me write an email to explain what I would like, then you guys can comment, and hopefully we can get things going
[20:00] <Kilos> cool ty williamk  
[20:03] <williamk> cheers
[20:04] <Jacques_StrY> Good to see some passionate people
[20:04] <Kilos> yeah
[20:05] <Kilos> all you school okes must get togetherr
[20:05] <Kilos> taken me 5 years of hints to ge william here
[20:06] <Jacques_StrY> Yea - there are allot of challenges in implementing OSS in schools so the more numbers the better
[20:06] <Kilos> only way is if we all work together
[20:06] <Jacques_StrY> and the Dep of Ed. is so hard to work with... so we need allot of voices
[20:06]  * inetpro will be over the moon when that even starts to happen
[20:07] <inetpro> we really need more numbers
[20:07] <Kilos> yeah
[20:07] <Jacques_StrY> changes made by dep in the last few years aren't helping
[20:07] <inetpro> but what we need most of all is numbers who really get it
[20:07] <Jacques_StrY> yea
[20:07] <kulelu88> I recall us discussing this previously
[20:07] <inetpro> people who understand what it's about
[20:07] <kulelu88> somebody said the department changed their policy and support MS full-swing now
[20:08] <Jacques_StrY> they do
[20:08] <Jacques_StrY> could be me that said it
[20:09] <inetpro> way too many around who want to to get rich quick
[20:09] <inetpro> and then fail dismally
[20:09] <magespawn> at the expense of others
[20:09] <kulelu88> inetpro: I don't think having a small commercial company provide support for OSS would be bad. that is the issue the department must have contemplated in their processes
[20:09] <Jacques_StrY> http://dkeats.com/usrfiles/users/7050120123/S9/SKMBT_22313100312200.pdf
[20:10] <kulelu88> Plus the money will circulate in the economy instead of flowing out
[20:10] <inetpro> absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting to make money, everyone has to put bread on the table
[20:10] <Jacques_StrY> if you look at that circular it pretty much sums up their view point at the moment
[20:11] <Kilos> ai!
[20:11] <Jacques_StrY> So they dropped openoffice and java
[20:12] <Jacques_StrY> and now require that want to teach CAT and IT now use ms office 2010-2013 and delphi
[20:12] <inetpro> crazy indeed!
[20:12] <Jacques_StrY> reason they went to delphi is cause embarcadero struck a deal with them
[20:13] <magespawn> what is delphi used for/
[20:13] <kulelu88> was someones hand greased with cash by embarcadero?
[20:13] <magespawn> ?
[20:14] <Jacques_StrY> embarcadero said they would give their IDE to schools for free, Dep sees it as less work for them because they don't have to write papers etc. for two languages anymore
[20:16] <Kilos> night all, ty for attending the meeting
[20:16] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:16] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[20:16] <Jacques_StrY> The only reason the supported Java is because delphi IDe cost money
[20:17] <kulelu88> why aren't they moving to an easier language to teach? Java isn't easy to teach or learn
[20:17] <Jacques_StrY> I can't even spell anymore - I should probably get some sleep too
[20:17] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[20:18] <Jacques_StrY> I would think they would go for a language like python
[20:19] <kulelu88> Even Ruby would be fine. but, yeah, Embarcadero wins 
[20:22] <Jacques_StrY> To me Python makes sense, some Uni's use it in their courses so would be a good choice.
[20:23] <kulelu88> Jacques_StrY: How do you get them to use something which they don't want to though? Would they take you more seriously as a Python company instead of a bunch of individuals?
[20:24] <magespawn> even Java seems to make more sense to me
[20:24] <kulelu88> agree magespawn 
[20:25] <superfly> embarcadero is dying, and they're trying every possible way to stop
[20:25] <zipper> Hi everyone, I'm here to embarass my country.
[20:25] <magespawn> if you just have a lok at the various job websites, i do not think i have seen delphi mentioned even once
[20:26] <zipper> magespawn: What that language still lives?
[20:26] <zipper> I don't even know how I know it.
[20:26] <Jacques_StrY> Definitely - A company would be much better, also you would have to be able to give proper instruction materials and training to teachers
[20:27] <kulelu88> a Python training business. heh, any takers?
[20:27] <magespawn> hi zipper yup
[20:27] <Jacques_StrY> The reason Delphi has the upper hand is because schools were already using Pascal so they didn't have to train the teachers much
[20:27] <Padroni> eh...
[20:27] <Padroni> codecademy.com
[20:27] <magespawn> kulelu88: how to set it up/
[20:28] <Padroni> go learn python there?
[20:28] <inetpro> I think we need efforts to teach the teachers
[20:28] <kulelu88> teaching people Python takes 2 weeks, no more. 
[20:28] <magespawn> Jacques_StrY: there is another that i have not seen mentioned
[20:28] <kulelu88> it's almost pseudo-code
[20:29] <Jacques_StrY> magespawn, ?
[20:30] <magespawn> on the job sites etc
[20:31] <zipper> Hmmm languages without type safety and compilers as the default.
[20:32] <zipper> I know I'll have to use them to make a living.
[20:32] <Jacques_StrY> Training is one of the big problems truly, I have been to some of the IT workshops and some of the teachers can't even do string manipulation. Their teaching kids to memorize code and hope that the question stays the same
[20:34] <magespawn> should programming even be taught at school? most people need to get the basics right first
[20:35] <kulelu88> magespawn: we can't deprive those who wish to pursue it. whether it's Java apps or Python/Ruby webapps, kids can do amazing things in their free time with code
[20:37] <magespawn> so perhaps as a added subject? add on subject?
[20:37] <inetpro> many kids just need a bit of a pointer in the right direction
[20:37] <kulelu88> magespawn: that is what it is. IT is chosen as an option in 10,11,12
[20:38] <inetpro> mr & mrs Teacher out there, please point them here even
[20:38] <kulelu88> just like you can choose german, french, etc
[20:38] <superfly> Jacques_StrY: exactly
[20:39] <magespawn> kulelu88: did not know that
[20:40] <magespawn> been out of school for awhile, and my kids are not there just yet
[20:40] <kulelu88> I still don't understand the need to teach CAT
[20:42] <Jacques_StrY> I think CAT is important, it can benefit you in allot of careers.
[20:43] <kulelu88> Jacques_StrY: but 3 years of it?
[20:44] <Mopkop> Night all!
[20:45] <Jacques_StrY> That is a bit long but for a subject to be taught it has to cover the full 3 years and allot of kids struggle to finish all the work.
[20:45] <magespawn> it has been enlightening to chat with you, but it is most definately my bed time
[20:45] <magespawn> good night all
[20:45] <Jacques_StrY> same here - night all, chat again tomorrow
[20:46] <kulelu88> tc all of you
[20:48] <superfly> kulelu88: "tc"?
[20:48]  * superfly puzzled over that last night
[20:50] <kulelu88> take care
[20:50] <superfly> ah!
[20:51] <kulelu88> :P
[20:51] <superfly> I am terribly old-fashioned, and I like my full words.
[20:52] <kulelu88> they will destroy your fingers eventually
[21:05] <superfly> kulelu88: my fingers have been fine for over 30 years, and I doubt they'll wear out any time soon. if they do, I won't be able to do my job anymore.
[21:06] <kulelu88> are you 40+? superfly 
[21:07] <superfly> kulelu88: nope, not yet
[21:07] <kulelu88> how are things at Nomanini? 
[21:37] <superfly> kulelu88: very very busy, but great thanks.
[21:38] <kulelu88> :)
[21:41] <superfly> I gotta head to bed. night kulelu88, take care ;-)
[21:43] <kulelu88> tc :)