[00:22] <xubuntu17w> Hello, I'm having problems with audio and video playback in xubuntu 14.04. I've installed and fiddled with my media players and browsers and they are all playing choppy sound and video. I followed web instructions on updating the flashplayer on chrome, chromium, and firefox. I also followed web instructions on updating restricted-content and codec lib. I cannot find anything else that describes this problem-- it is general and no
[00:24] <xubuntu17w> I would be grateful for any help, Thanks.
[02:18] <tomato16> i'm having trouble resuming from standby on my macbook when xubuntu 14.04 isn't locked
[02:18] <cfhowlett> !mac | tomato16
[02:20] <tomato16> i've tried configuring lock when standby on both power settings and light locker, but the result is the same
[04:47] <xubuntu575> hello?
[04:48] <xubuntu575> is anyone here that could help me with an audio/video playback issue?
[04:50] <ObrienDave> depends on the issue, and you can ask in #ubuntu also
[04:52] <cfhowlett> !details | xubuntu575
[04:58] <xubuntu575> I'm getting choppy audio and video in every program. I've added the restricted extras and also updated everything I coould find recommended. It is a general problem because it is happening in three seperate browsers chrome, firefox, and chromium. The playback is also failing in the seperate audio programs like audacious and gmusicbrowser.
[04:58] <xubuntu575> i updated flash plugins as well
[04:59] <ObrienDave> done any memory tests lately?
[05:00] <xubuntu575> no, this was a project to recover a laptop with an improper install of windows 7 on a system designed for xp
[05:01] <xubuntu575> i am new to linux
[05:01] <ObrienDave> may i suggest asking in #ubuntu, more people to help there
[05:02] <cfhowlett> xubuntu575, drivers ...
[05:02] <xubuntu575> how to???
[05:02] <ObrienDave> audio/video issues could be drivers or something common to all ubuntu flavors
[05:03] <xubuntu575> i have intel graphics chipset
[05:04] <ObrienDave> look in the repos for mesa, i915, i965, drivers. i have intel chipset also
[05:05] <ObrienDave> make sure you get the proper driver
[05:06] <xubuntu575> ok, is there gui access to driver info or do i use terminal?
[05:07] <cfhowlett> given your description of universal problems, I suspect wrong drivers for failing hardware
[05:08] <xubuntu575> yes, makes since since i updated even the codecs
[05:09] <ObrienDave> and without knowing whether you have i915 or i965 chipset, suggesting a driver is not a good idea
[05:10] <xubuntu575> how do you access that info in the terminal?
[05:12] <ObrienDave> not sure. lol
[05:13] <ObrienDave> i've seen it. can't remember where that info is
[05:15] <xubuntu575> im lookin for it now
[05:24] <xubuntu575> ok i'm not having much luck tonight and I am going to go get some sleep.... Thanks for the help-I will focus on finding the right drivers. I made  a note of the info and will check with the manufacturer website tommorow for the chipset. I;m sure I can get some help tomorrow. Again, Thanks
[05:25] <ObrienDave> it's not recommended here but you can try: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[05:25] <ObrienDave> you're welcome
[05:26] <xubuntu575> noted
[05:26] <xubuntu575> thanks
[06:39] <xubuntu65i> xubuntu is not installing all the way
[06:39] <xubuntu65i> it says something like userinfo
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> hey all
[09:23] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here know how the original ISOs are generated?
[09:27] <cfhowlett> pmjdebruijn, canonical staff do the coding, volunteers do the testing
[09:28] <pmjdebruijn> right
[09:28] <pmjdebruijn> I meant, what tools do they use?
[09:29]  * pmjdebruijn has been playing with live-build
[09:29] <pmjdebruijn> but that doesn't seem to take care of EFI related stuff
[09:30] <cfhowlett> !details | pmjdebruijn
[09:31] <pmjdebruijn> my question was what tool is used to generate the official release ISOs
[09:31] <pmjdebruijn> or is that process undisclosed
[10:22] <duckey> Is the desktop-iso the actual boot file?
[10:27] <pmjdebruijn> duckey: "boot file" what do you mean by that?
[10:27] <pmjdebruijn> what do you want to achieve?
[10:38] <duckey> pmjdebruijn, to put xubuntu on a dino pc
[10:39] <pmjdebruijn> you need to burn that ISO to a disc (as an image)
[10:39] <pmjdebruijn> and then you should be able to from from that disc
[10:39] <pmjdebruijn> boot*
[11:13] <screxu> hi, how can i remove screenshot from xubuntu?
[11:13] <cfhowlett> screxu, remove the app?
[11:13] <screxu> yes
[11:14] <screxu> it crashed and make my xubuntu overflow
[11:17] <screxu> when start my laptoop it gives me a message " System program problem detected " and after a while screenshot opens automatically again and again
[12:01] <screxu> i have the same problem even if i run xubuntu from live cd!
[12:09] <GridNet> what problem?
[12:19] <screxu> GridNet: when start my laptoop it gives me a message " System program problem detected " and after a while screenshot opens automatically again and again
[12:20] <screxu> until i can do nothing
[12:21] <GridNet> Maybe your prnt screen key is stuck
[12:21] <GridNet> that for one
[12:22] <GridNet> if you can open your computer i would suggest unplugging all devices and repluging them
[12:25] <melodie> hello
[12:25] <melodie> can someone help me ?
[12:25] <cfhowlett> !ask
[12:25] <elfy> melodie: always possible - ask the question
[12:25] <melodie> I am going to install xubuntu on a machine with windows 8.1 in dual boot, the machine is now ready, has the partitions and there is a detail I don't know
[12:26] <melodie> anyone here has experience with dualbooting windows 8.1 ?
[12:26] <melodie> I don't know why the Xubuntu distro does not have grub-efi installed in the iso, and if it is going to be downloaded during install?
[12:27] <elfy> mmm
[12:27] <melodie> also I don't know if in time, the updates of Windows 8.1 might reinstall it's own efi bootloader and risk to erase the one of grub
[12:27] <melodie> in this case I might better use the non free EasyBCD (not that I would be happy using it)
[12:28] <elfy> I'm not one who's done that - but when I have grabbed images and then put them on USB I've had uefi and non-uefi options to boot and then install from
[12:28] <melodie> yes boot is ok
[12:28] <melodie> it boots with grub
[12:28] <melodie> but grub-efi isn't installed in the iso, so I am in a wonder
[12:29] <melodie> I did a dd to prepare the usb stick, using a Xubuntu 14.04.2 amd64$
[12:32] <elfy> melodie: mmm - I'm not sure enough to give you a definite answer here
[12:33] <elfy> melodie: try reading this http://askubuntu.com/questions/364100/installing-xubuntu-alongside-with-uefi
[12:33] <melodie> elfy is there a doc
[12:33] <melodie> I was going to ask you something like that, thanks :)
[12:34] <elfy> hope it helps :)
[12:36] <melodie> no
[12:37] <melodie> none of this gives the precise information I'm looking for
[12:37] <melodie> and add to this, the installer offers to install alongside Windows, but not at the right place, so it will be the choice "something else" :)
[12:37] <melodie> anyway, I guess I'll have to go bother the devs if I want a clear answer about that
[12:38] <melodie> it seems only them might be able to give a clear answer about this matter
[12:40] <melodie> I just checked in the official distro it's the same:
[12:40] <melodie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/14.04.2/release/ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64+mac.manifest
[12:40] <melodie> I'm going to ask them how the installer manages with that
[12:53] <melodie> elfy some answers from cjwatson, very interesting! http://pastebin.fr/39147
[12:54] <melodie> if you happen to know someone in charge of the docs, he/she could use it to improve the docs
[12:55] <melodie> this pastebin should be there during a long time, I chose the "forever or almost" option.
[13:34] <melodie> just wondering, do you think the usb creator program can perform a persistant mode install with the efi mode boot coming along?
[13:34] <melodie> I think I have to try that
[13:34] <melodie> with the 14.04.2 version
[13:58] <Drew____> Hello
[13:59] <Drew____> Can anyone help me with Squill?
[14:00] <Drew____> Anytime I try and start up Squill it simply says "Can't connect to LocalHost on port 7734"
[14:04] <Drew____> Anyone have any idea what's going on?
[14:11] <starrats> how do I get skype on Xubuntu 14.04?
[14:41] <starrats> Need help with Skype and xubuntu
[14:43] <bazhang> from the partner repo starrats
[14:44] <bazhang> !info skype partner
[14:44] <starrats> sorry partner repo?
[14:45] <bazhang> !partner | starrats
[14:45] <starrats> ah okay thanks
[14:45] <bazhang> np
[14:56] <melodie> Xubuntu is installed, Windows is still booting and no choice at start : what next?
[14:57] <melodie> how do I boot Xubuntu? (the grub-efi file are in EFI/ubuntu in the EFI partition)
[15:25] <melodie> anybody can help me have grub booting both systems?
[15:26] <melodie> no one here knows how to do that on a modern machine that still boots to windows after installing Xubuntu?
[15:28] <koegs> melodie: you need to reinstall grub
[15:29] <melodie> koegs is that it?
[15:29] <melodie> should I chroot to reinstall it?
[15:30] <koegs> either chroot via Live-CD or use Boot-Repair https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:32] <melodie> I was in a similar doc on the French wiki. I have Xubuntu Live on USB rebooted right now and I can see the files in EFI/ubuntu, just I don't know why I don't have a choice when the machine starts, so why should a reinstall fix it you think?
[15:33] <koegs> EFI select the windows boot manager first, that does not know anything about grub
[15:34] <pmjdebruijn> you can change the boot order with efibootmgr
[15:35] <pmjdebruijn> not sure if booting windows might change it back though
[15:35] <koegs> oh yeah, forgot about efibootmgr
[15:44] <ScotchHerve> Salut
[15:46] <ScotchRV> Hello
[15:47] <knome> hello
[15:54] <melodie> someone has shown me I could do a bios setup : koegs and pmjdebruijn
[15:55] <melodie> I am going to take a picture of this setup and spread it on the web for other people to use it
[18:47] <xubuntu15w> hi
[21:07] <DesertWolf29> Hello! I'm having a minor aesthetic issue when I start up my computer. I have opted to use full disk encryption, and whenever I start my computer and it needs to ask for the password to unlock my drive, my monitor goes to sleep and I have to wake it up using the up arrow. Instead of the nice Xubuntu login, I get a CLI interface. Any sujustions on what I can do to get the nice login screen or do I have to just live with it. I'm 
[21:07] <DesertWolf29> The monitor in question is a Dell Monitor
[21:07] <pmjdebruijn> DesertWolf29: it might help if you made a photo of the screen when you get that CLI interface, so everybody here can see _exactly_ what you're talking about
[21:08] <eikon81g> any tips for optimizing youtube and web video playback? I have the flashplayer plugin installed and I'm using the nvidia drivers for my machine in firefox btw
[21:08] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: you don't need flash for youtube these days
[21:08] <eikon81g> ok cool, I am just having choppy playback the audio is fine
[21:09] <eikon81g> the video is laggy.. I am going to put in another 2gb stick of ram tomorrow it is in the mail but it seems like the videos should run better
[21:09] <DesertWolf29> Ok will do. It just says enter my passphrase and I can enter my password and log in but I will upload a picture. Any prefrence on where to?
[21:09] <eikon81g> thanks pmjdebruijn
[21:09] <eikon81g> DesertWolf29, astes to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:10] <DesertWolf29> Ok be back in a bit have to restart to get a pic :)
[21:11] <eikon81g> pmjdebruijn, what else could I do to optimize the video playback?
[21:11] <eikon81g> are you familiar with the nvidia drivers..? maybe a setting or something?
[21:11] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: https://www.youtube.com/html5 specifically
[21:11] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: no clue, what hardware are you using?
[21:12] <eikon81g> it's old.. GeForce Go 7300
[21:12] <pmjdebruijn> @nvidia, I try to avoid nvidia hardware asif it's the black plague
[21:12] <pmjdebruijn> I meant CPU
[21:12] <eikon81g> lol it's been an adventure..
[21:12] <pmjdebruijn> your graphics card generally isn't that relevant
[21:12] <eikon81g> Intel Core2 T7200
[21:12] <pmjdebruijn> oh that's not too ancient
[21:13] <pmjdebruijn> try opening a terminal and running 'top' while playing back the video
[21:13] <pmjdebruijn> see what process uses 100% CPU
[21:13] <pmjdebruijn> if any
[21:13] <eikon81g> I was thinking I was pretty screwed because I literally got this machine from my garage for a Ubuntu test drive
[21:13] <eikon81g> ok
[21:15] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: what resolution is youtube "autodetecting" 480p? 720p? 1080p?
[21:15] <eikon81g> looks like plugin-container pops up and takes up like 70 - 80%
[21:15] <eikon81g> it's default like 480p
[21:15] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: and if you download a video like big buck bunny at a similar resolution, and play it back locally (outside the browser) does it go wlel then?
[21:16] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: youtube shows you exactly what it is
[21:17] <eikon81g> Auto:480p playback and samething.. let me rip a video and playback 1 sec
[21:18] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: btw, the container in top means flash is being used
[21:18] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: try enabling html5 playback for youtube using that link I gave you
[21:18] <eikon81g> I thought that may have been it
[21:19] <eikon81g> ok cool ty
[21:21] <DesertWolf29> Back. I have the image, can one even upload an image to ubuntu pastebin? I've never done that before or am I allowed to use an image paste site?
[21:22] <eikon81g> ok so the video that I d/l is using parole to playback and it's using like 20%
[21:22] <eikon81g> well 15 to 20%
[21:22] <RudeViper> When I installed Xubuntu a few days ago I had selected to have it automatically log me in - how do I turn that off? I am having some problems with the system and have installed LXDE to see if the problem is XFCE or Ubuntu... I want to be able to select my desktop environment when I boot up or reboot.
[21:24] <eikon81g> on the panel click the button and in the search box type users
[21:24] <eikon81g> open users and groups
[21:24] <eikon81g> and you will see the setting there..
[21:25] <eikon81g> it says Password: "Asked on Login" and "change"
[21:25] <eikon81g> try that
[21:26] <eikon81g> RudeViper, ^^
[21:26] <RudeViper> it asks for password - but I can't change the destop environment - sorry must not have been clear on the question.
[21:27] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: playback is fine now?
[21:27] <DesertWolf29> Ok here what pops up http://imagebin.ca/v/1vy1oz1uDpCU and heres what I want it to do http://imagebin.ca/v/1vy2LPiffjWI like i said its just my OCD thats bugging me :P
[21:27] <eikon81g> On the downloaded videos yes it's fince
[21:27] <eikon81g> *fine
[21:27] <pmjdebruijn> eikon81g: and with html5 video?
[21:30] <eikon81g> it's actually cleaner and firefox doens't really go up too much on the usage %
[21:30] <eikon81g> nice.
[21:30] <eikon81g> Thanks a million man
[21:30] <pmjdebruijn> I'd probably uninstall flash if I were you
[21:30] <pmjdebruijn> it's just a vulnerability
[21:30] <pmjdebruijn> few sites really need it these days
[21:30] <eikon81g> on videos from other sites won't they be affected?
[21:30] <eikon81g> alot use youtube videos but some don't
[21:30] <pmjdebruijn> depends completely on $SITE
[21:31] <pmjdebruijn> vimeo does html5 too IIRC
[21:31] <pmjdebruijn> flash is a huge security risk
[21:31] <pmjdebruijn> so what if a video on a random crap site doesn't play
[21:31] <pmjdebruijn> with youtube/vimeo you have 99% covered :)
[21:32] <eikon81g> right on
[21:32] <eikon81g> well I appreciate your help :P
[21:32] <eikon81g> Thanks again!
[21:32] <pmjdebruijn> np
[21:33] <eikon81g> RudeViper, it may be a grub setting.. I am unskilled and NEW to linux and Ubuntu
[21:34] <superman> flash still needs on twitch
[21:34] <eikon81g> so you may have to check the .conf
[21:35] <pmjdebruijn> superman: my point wasn't that sites don't use flash anymore
[21:35] <pmjdebruijn> my point is that having flash installed is an unreasonable risk these days
[21:35] <DesertWolf29> pmjdebruijn: Anyhting I can do about it or do I have to live with it?
[21:35] <eikon81g> yea, I will just mess with it later, I am just learning so that may be a task for another day.
[21:36] <eikon81g> Idk why your monitor goes to sleep..
[21:36] <pmjdebruijn> DesertWolf29: no clue, I was just giving a tip on how to more effectively get help
[21:36] <eikon81g> I had some issues with resolution settings in grub.. I had to make an edit to get the splash screen back..
[21:36] <DesertWolf29> Ok no worries its strange and just sets off my OCD i'll look into the grub settings
[21:37] <DesertWolf29> Xubuntu is the only distro that does this
[21:37] <eikon81g> just a possibility I may be off.. but when my resolution settings were janky it would give me a text based prompt as well
[21:37] <eikon81g> I missed my splash screen too so I ran down a fix lol
[21:38] <DesertWolf29> hmm ok ill look into it and yay im not alone :D
[21:38] <eikon81g> there's a way to see what resolutions will work properly with your machine and then you edit the grub conf to match what will work
[21:39] <eikon81g> it had to do with installing the nvidia drivers. .
[21:39] <eikon81g> can't really hurt to see if it helps
[21:39] <eikon81g> 1 sec
[21:40] <DesertWolf29> hmmm i dont use nvidia. its a fairly older machine and i stick with the open source drivers since its an older AMD card.
[21:40] <eikon81g> yea, I shoulda done the same but since I fixed that I haven't ran into any issues.. .
[21:41] <eikon81g> pmjdebruijn, said he stays away from nvidia all together, can't blame him
[21:41] <eikon81g> http://www.binarytides.com/ubuntu-fix-nvidia-graphics/
[21:41] <eikon81g> that may get you going in the right direction for making edits to the conf
[21:42] <pmjdebruijn> generally binary blobs tend to have weird breakages at times
[21:42] <pmjdebruijn> if your luckily you might not experience one for years
[21:42] <pmjdebruijn> but not everybody is so lucky
[21:42] <DesertWolf29> ok cool ive messed around with grub before in arch so ill look into it :) if thats not it ill try the forums or come back
[21:43] <eikon81g> good luck :)
[21:43] <eikon81g> I really hope I don't LOL
[21:43] <eikon81g> I was looking at elementaryOS have you played with it before?
[21:44] <eikon81g> like I said I am really new to Linux, I've been working on computers for a long time but of course all my customers were Windows users..
[21:44] <DesertWolf29> yes i have it was an interesting experince. probably not as interesting as gentoo but i digress... and I know the feeling I hate windows
[21:45] <eikon81g> lol
[21:47] <pmjdebruijn> btw, generally it's best to keep with the big distros
[21:47] <pmjdebruijn> smaller distro's like elementary tend to risk and fall fast
[21:47] <pmjdebruijn> sustaining a level of quality is pretty challenging
[21:48] <eikon81g> gotcha. Ubuntu is awesome and the support is great too.. I generally head straight here but I've never been just in the cold which is a nice feeling
[21:48] <eikon81g> I was so impressed with the installation and how well all the hardware works with little to no driver issuse (so far)
[21:48] <eikon81g> very cool
[21:49]  * pmjdebruijn distro-hopped for 2-3 years ... and then there was ubuntu
[21:50] <RudeViper> can anyone tell me how to get the os to give me a choice of which Desktop Environment I can use on boot? it's defaulted to xfce right now but doesn't give me a choice and I have two others installed that I want to choose from.
[21:51] <DesertWolf29> What OS are you running RudeViper?
[21:51] <RudeViper> Xubuntu 14.04
[21:52] <RudeViper> originally it was set to autologin and xfce was the only DE on here - having some issues and I need to see if it is xfce or ubuntu causing the trouble
[21:53] <eikon81g> I saw this..
[21:53] <eikon81g> http://askubuntu.com/questions/416825/how-to-quick-switch-between-desktop-environments-in-the-running-desktop-session
[21:53] <eikon81g> looks like it may be up your alley..
[21:55] <eikon81g> a second user account with the other DE may work..? Idk
[21:55] <eikon81g> sorry :\
[21:57] <DesertWolf29> Hmm you usually select what DE you want when you log from the Display manager. The Display manager is the program that handles that are you still set to log in automatically?
[21:58] <eikon81g> yea, I was looking more it says you should be able to select a session..
[21:58] <eikon81g> http://www.howtogeek.com/193129/how-to-install-and-use-another-desktop-environment-on-linux/
[21:59] <DesertWolf29> If I'm not mistaken Xubuntu uses Light DM now and there is a button on the login screen to select which one you want if you have others installed
[21:59] <eikon81g> that's right
[22:00] <eikon81g> once you take the auto login off in the users and groups settings then you should be prompted to choose a user and have the ability to select the session you want
[22:00] <RudeViper> but the button is not there on my screen
[22:01] <DesertWolf29> hmmm let me check brb
[22:01] <eikon81g> well if you login in and then log out it should be
[22:01] <eikon81g> maybe..?
[22:01] <eikon81g> so let it actually load up and then log out, is it there?
[22:02] <RudeViper> I will try again - but it didn't a few minutes ago - be right back either way
[22:03] <eikon81g> the only other thing is if the environment didn't install correctly..
[22:04] <eikon81g> any luck?
[22:04] <eikon81g> I read this: On Ubuntu’s default login screen — known as a display manager — this menu can be accessed by clicking an icon next to your user name. The icon only appears if multiple desktop environments are available. On other display managers, you may need to click a “Session” menu or a similar icon. You’ll find the option somewhere on the screen.
[22:04] <DesertWolf29> Ok found it its the little mouse icon up in the top right hand corner
[22:04] <eikon81g> k cool
[22:04] <DesertWolf29> Is he still on lol
[22:04] <eikon81g> there he is..
[22:04] <eikon81g> Whoops
[22:04] <eikon81g> RudeViper, - On Ubuntu’s default login screen — known as a display manager — this menu can be accessed by clicking an icon next to your user name. The icon only appears if multiple desktop environments are available. On other display managers, you may need to click a “Session” menu or a similar icon. You’ll find the option somewhere on the screen.
[22:05] <eikon81g> There's a chance the other DE didn't install properly and that may be why it's not present
[22:05] <RudeViper> ok I'll go to software center this time instead of using cli
[22:06] <eikon81g> yea, maybe something was missed.. ?
[22:06] <DesertWolf29> Its the little mouse icon in the upper right hand corner on xubuntu and it will let you select what session you want. If you dont see them there it probably didn't install propaply like eikon81g said
[22:07]  * eikon81g is away: brb
[22:10] <RudeViper> ok uninstalled them in software center and now reinstalling them
[22:11] <eikon81g> I had some issues when I installe xfce over ubuntu hopefully you don't run into any snags.. my hardkeys for my volume went awol
[22:11] <eikon81g> I tried to run it down for a day and said screw it and went to the clean xfce install
[22:12] <Enkidu_ak> Hi. I'm using cairo-dock 3.4.0 with utopic. I can't get cairo to lock my screen. I've verified that xscreensaver-command -lock does in fact work and have even gone so far as to replace the content of lock-screen.sh with xscreensaver-command -lock. The lock menu option still does nothing. There is no output when the option is clicked after running the dock from terminal.
[22:13] <Enkidu_ak> I know that this isn't strictly an ubuntu or Xfce issue, but cairo seems ubiquitous among xfce users (from anecdotal evidence)
[22:14] <Unit193> Enkidu_ak: Generally speaking, light-locker is what's used in Xubuntu.  Are you sure that xscreensaver is the daemon used?  And, you could perhaps just use xflock as the lock script?
[22:17]  * eikon81g is back (gone 00:10:34)
[22:17] <Enkidu_ak> Unit193, I reverted back to xscreensaver for this machine because light-locker seems to halt the session and running processes attached to it. In my case this behavior is undesirable. xflock works from term, but so does xscreensaver and even light-locker when I enable it. The issue seems to be cairo rather than whichever utility I use to lock the session.
[22:18] <Enkidu_ak> Unit193, Or if it is the lock utility, then I can't reproduce it from term.
[22:20] <RudeViper> well that didn't work either - ugh - how do I kill the DE altoget so I can get to command prompt - I'm going to strip xfce out and see if that will work
[22:21] <melodie> I am meeting with a power management issue in Xubuntu 14.04.2 just installed and I don't know what to do about it. I have already gone through all the options in the gui meant to configure it and it still goes to deep sleep after a while without being invited to do so. And I am forced to reboot it, which is quite unpleasant
[22:21] <melodie> any idea what I could try or look into?
[22:21] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, The system goes to sleep or the monitor goes dark?
[22:22] <melodie> Enkidu_ak it's dark and when I press the Control key nothing happens
[22:22] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Are you still able to ssh in?
[22:22] <melodie> if I just start touching the power button, very lightly, it briefly lightens and goes back to dark right away
[22:23] <Unit193> Enkidu_ak: Ah, alright, I see.  Never used cairo, so can't help with that portion of it and that's looking to be where the issue is. :/
[22:23] <melodie> Enkidu_ak I'm going to try wait a sec
[22:23] <Enkidu_ak> Unit193, Thanks for the attempt at least. I'm stumped already, so I'm certainly not any worse off.
[22:24] <Unit193> Enkidu_ak: Best I can say, try to have the lock script write to a file or so to see if it's even triggered.
[22:24] <melodie> Enkidu_ak I'm logged it, now just have to wait for it to do it's thing
[22:24] <melodie> it/in
[22:24] <Unit193> Might even be something in the ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4 log too.
[22:25] <Enkidu_ak> Unit193, Actually, that's an excellent idea. As I said, I replaced the content of the lock script with just the lock command, but that doesn't mean that it isn't being called and is just not operating due to interference from cairo
[22:26] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, While you are waiting, let's cover the basics. Have you gone in to the xfce PM settings and disabled power management?
[22:28] <melodie> I think I did
[22:29] <melodie> I have been into the different tabs and sections of the power management, the battery part and the home power supply part
[22:29] <melodie> you mean the gui configured as user, right?
[22:29] <Enkidu_ak> Yes
[22:30] <melodie> information, the machine is a laptop HP 250 g3, it's dual-booting with Windows 8.1
[22:30] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Specifically the system and display tabs
[22:30] <melodie> what else should I say?
[22:30] <melodie> I re check
[22:30] <melodie> what is the name of that program in English?
[22:31] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Well, there isn't much else to say yet. At least, not that I can think of. First we have to confirm that the machine is actually going to sleep rather than simply shutting down the display.
[22:31] <melodie> I could start it from console with "LANG=C"
[22:31] <melodie> so I'm sure we are talking of the same thing
[22:31] <Enkidu_ak> xfce4-power-manager-settings
[22:33] <Enkidu_ak> However, since it is a laptop that sort of makes dpms more unlikely. Still, it could be a display issue.
[22:34] <eikon81g> see yall later I am heading out..
[22:34] <eikon81g> good luck
[22:34] <eikon81g> :)
[22:34] <melodie> Enkidu_ak thanks
[22:37] <melodie> Enkidu_ak perhaps found:
[22:37] <melodie> should I untick: "Monitor power management control" ? in the General tab?
[22:38] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, I would. It seems that you are trying to take xfce out of the power management business all together, so I would disable monitor PM as well.
[22:40] <melodie> will the notification about the battery state still work after?
[22:40] <melodie> just for my information
[22:43] <Enkidu_ak> Battery monitoring is a different animal from what I understand. Disabling PM should not disable monitoring.
[22:44] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Specifically the battery is monitored by sensors that really don't have anything to do with software PM
[22:44] <melodie> ok thank you very much. I'll tell you in a moment if that setup holds
[22:44] <melodie> ok
[22:44] <melodie> let's say about 15 minutes
[22:44] <Enkidu_ak> I'll be here :)
[22:45] <melodie> if it holds that long without interference it should be good to go
[22:45] <melodie> however I'll unlog from ssh
[22:45] <melodie> that could interfere
[22:46] <melodie> as a second user, and some eventual system policy preventing a machine to go out while there is another user connected? (no idea how this part of the setup is)
[22:46] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, It shouldn't. the manager shouldn't know anything about other sessions as it is running with your permissions.
[22:47] <melodie> ok
[22:47] <melodie> I have logged out from ssh anyway
[22:47] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, From the perspective of the manager, there are already a dozen other users logged in
[22:47] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Ok. It doesn't hurt to be cautious
[22:47] <melodie> right :)
[22:48] <melodie> there are people switching to Linux who live a bad experience, when I provide it to someone I try to make it a perfect experience
[22:49] <melodie> and this user already has a Linux box since several years (which i had installed for him) and this machine is new, he just bought it, and we opened the box together.
[22:49] <melodie> and I have needed help from several people since a few days as W 8.1 with GPT/UEFI was a total discovery for me.
[22:50] <melodie> needed and used :)
[22:56] <melodie> Enkidu_ak the screen has gone black now
[22:56] <melodie> I am logged in with ssh
[22:56] <melodie> so only the screen has gone black
[22:56] <melodie> Enkidu_ak what do you suggest I do?
[22:56] <Enkidu_ak> What happens when you hit control/move the mouse/etc
[22:57] <melodie> nothing happes
[22:57] <melodie> +n
[22:58] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, In your ssh term, I want you to try: xset dpms force off
[22:58] <melodie> I don't know what syslog says:
[22:58] <melodie> http://pastebin.fr/39154
[22:58] <melodie> ok
[22:59] <melodie> xset:  unable to open display ""
[22:59] <Enkidu_ak> That might require you to define a display, but I don't think so.
[22:59] <melodie> something else?
[22:59] <Enkidu_ak> Ok, try: DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force off
[23:00] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Did that turn the display back on?
[23:00] <melodie> I try
[23:01] <melodie> doesn't move
[23:03] <Enkidu_ak> I'm not sure what else could be causing the monitor to sleep.
[23:04] <melodie> what is  rtkit-daemon ?
[23:05] <Enkidu_ak> It's a daemon that manages some dbus apps and services
[23:06] <melodie> any idea what types of apps and services?
[23:08] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, The long version is that it allows users to give apps higher processor priority without having to expose privileged sections of the kernel to userspace. I guess that covers all apps that use dbus.
[23:10] <Enkidu_ak> rtkit stands for Realtime kit, refering to processor scheduling. It's not root kit :)
[23:10] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, As to your display issue, check ps and see if light-locker is running
[23:11] <melodie> ok
[23:11] <melodie> it does:
[23:11] <melodie> $ ps ax | grep light-locker
[23:11] <melodie>  1742 ?        Sl     0:00 light-locker
[23:11] <melodie>  2875 pts/16   S+     0:00 grep --color=auto light-locker
[23:11] <melodie> what if I remove it?
[23:11] <melodie> apt-get remove --purge?
[23:12] <melodie> could it be causing this?
[23:15] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, I don't know if it's causing this or not. I suspect that dpms is involved. I think, and let me be clear that this is purely speculation, that light-locker might not be dealing with dpms correctly and it might actually be because PM is disabled in the settings manager. I would reboot first, so that you have access to X again and then we can do some more testing before we start removing packages.
[23:16] <melodie> Enkidu_ak ok lets to it :)
[23:17] <melodie> nice thing the reboot can be done from within the ssh
[23:18] <Enkidu_ak> I've found an old bug report that might relate to this, to light-locker, dpms and xfpm
[23:18] <Enkidu_ak> Give me a moment to see if it's related.
[23:21] <melodie> Enkidu_ak ok rebooted and logged in X
[23:22] <melodie> Enkidu_ak ok, I think I have heard about light-locker and some bugs but I don't know what
[23:22] <Enkidu_ak> Alright. To start, let's disable dpms again. Open up your favorite terminal and type xset -dpms
[23:23] <Enkidu_ak> Then confirm it with xset -q | grep DPMS
[23:23] <melodie> in the machine or from ssh?
[23:23] <Enkidu_ak> From a terminal opened at the machine itself. You can do it from ssh, but you have to define the display again if you do
[23:24] <melodie> it says:
[23:25] <melodie> DPMS (Energy Star):
[23:25] <melodie>    DPMS is Disabled
[23:25] <melodie> Enkidu_ak what comes next?
[23:26] <Enkidu_ak> Good. We should also turn off screensaver blanking. I don't know if light-locker uses that setting, but I also don't know why your screen is still going dark. So, to be sure, type: xset s off
[23:26] <melodie> ok
[23:26] <melodie> done
[23:27] <melodie> now that it is done in the console it should not leave the screen right?
[23:27] <melodie> then if it's correct, there is something to be done to make it last
[23:28] <Enkidu_ak> Actually, I'm curious about the timing. Under settings, open up light-locker-settings and screensaver settings, please
[23:29] <melodie> ok
[23:29] <melodie> I was having a look here http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/
[23:30] <melodie> I see the enable button, I'll put it off
[23:31] <melodie> and press apply, even though it was written "never"
[23:31] <melodie> I'd suppose that's it?
[23:32] <melodie> hopefully
[23:32] <Enkidu_ak> I guess we'll see.
[23:32] <melodie> ok
[23:32] <Enkidu_ak> That link you provided seems to reference the exact problem that you are having
[23:32] <melodie> I'll get some hot beverage in the meanwhile
[23:32] <melodie> under "known issues" right?
[23:34] <melodie> the explanation of this guy is out of my reach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339
[23:34] <Enkidu_ak> Yes. Unfortunately they talk about workarounds after the fact and not solutions. I think that disabling light-locker is probably the best option in this case.
[23:35] <melodie> Enkidu_ak a better one, remove it completely, and if the guy wants a screensave I'll install the gnome screensaver with all depends
[23:35] <melodie> instead of going to the edge of a machine's resources I always target much lower needs so the machine has lots of resources left
[23:36] <melodie> in this case it's a Celeron (not that good but new) 64bits and 4 GB ram
[23:36] <melodie> plenty space too 200 GB just for Xubuntu
[23:37] <melodie> if this is the only origin for the issue
[23:37] <Enkidu_ak> That is an option. I use xscreensaver myself. gnome-screensaver has the advantage of using dbus.
[23:37] <melodie> I think my user has simple needs, he uses the machine and when done he shuts down. he is a very straightforward kind of user
[23:38] <melodie> Enkidu_ak then what do you like with dbus?
[23:38] <melodie> remote control? else?
[23:38] <Enkidu_ak> The solution that was referenced in the bug report was the same one in your previous link. They manually run xrandr to restore screen power. It's not optimal, but at least it gets you back in to your session without having to close it.
[23:39] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Lots of other applications use dbus. It is a standardized method of inter-app communication. I like having the option even if I don't have any specific use for it at the moment. I think that my problems with cairo-dock not locking my screen are related to the fact that xscreensaver doesn't use dbus, actually.
[23:40] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, So, yes, remote control is one use, but also any other scenario where you might imagine some other system app needing to know the state of the screensaver.
[23:41] <Arrick> hey all, I am trying to get my max resolution onto the hp z200 sff I just put xubuntu on, and it has an intel vga card capable of 1680x1050... Howver, the max resolution showing up is 1024x768.. I ran gtf 1680 1050 60.00 and I get the following line
[23:41] <Arrick>   # 1680x1050 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.22 kHz; pclk: 147.14 MHz
[23:41] <Arrick>   Modeline "1680x1050_60.00"  147.14  1680 1784 1968 2256  1050 1051 1054 1087  -HSync +Vsync
[23:42] <Arrick> so... I ran xrandr  --newmode "1680x1050_60.00"  147.14  1680 1784 1968 2256  1050 1051 1054 1087  -HSync +Vsync and it gives me an error saying X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[23:42] <Arrick> any ideas?
[23:42] <melodie> Enkidu_ak xrandr from a ssh is not an option, my user is just a user, nothing else
[23:43] <Arrick> I was able to get it to go to the resolution in ubuntu, but couldnt get it to stick.
[23:43] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, You have to set the display variable. DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --auto
[23:43] <melodie> Enkidu_ak in Bento there is no screensaver at all and I have never had a user complaining about it
[23:43] <melodie> if they want one they install the one they want
[23:44] <melodie> I have not been able to create recent Bento LTS, and I don't know if I could provide it with the efi stuff
[23:44] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Screensavers aren't really necessary, I'm just a creature of habit and I like the pretty pictures.
[23:44] <melodie> I don't think so, I think it's in the Ubuntu official build mechanics
[23:44] <melodie> Enkidu_ak there are options with feh to provide random screens
[23:44] <melodie> :)
[23:45] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, And I use them :D
[23:45] <melodie> :D
[23:45] <melodie> I use only the random for i
[23:45] <melodie> 1 session
[23:45] <melodie> not changing all the time
[23:46] <melodie> 9 minutes the screen is still on
[23:46] <melodie> when are they going to fix that bug?
[23:46] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Mainly I wanted the ability to lock my session without killing my audio output. That's not possible with light-locker
[23:46] <melodie> ok
[23:46] <melodie> so xscreensaver does it fine?
[23:47] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, I don't know. First they have to identify what the problem is. It might not actually be a problem with light-locker, just a problem with X that light-locker revealed.
[23:47] <melodie> I just use "xlock" in my console (when my son is around, he's a tricky one)
[23:47] <melodie> but X is going to be replaced by Wayland so day? no?
[23:49] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, It might. There is a lot of inertia in the community to overcome before that becomes widespread.
[23:50] <melodie> some wayland packages started to fall into my Archlinux (is my usual distro)
[23:50] <melodie> which probably means it's on it's way
[23:50] <melodie> land :D
[23:50] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, The switch from xfree86 to Xorg was contentious and the vitriol surrounding the licensing change for xfree was nearly universal
[23:51] <melodie> Enkidu_ak I was not around so I didn't mind :)
[23:51] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Arch is always on the bleeding edge. Ubuntu almost never is
[23:51] <melodie> no it's not bleeding
[23:51] <melodie> only the latest stable programs turned into packages
[23:51] <melodie> I had some issues a few years ago, but since then almost never
[23:52] <melodie> and most often very fast to fix
[23:52] <melodie> just it's not for my users
[23:52] <melodie> they need as easy as possible
[23:52] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, Ubuntu is definitely the progeny of Debian, steady and stable. Though Ubuntu is wreckless compared to Wheezy
[23:52] <melodie> so for them I choose Xubuntu, or Lubuntu, or Bento, or antiX (now the MX 14.3)
[23:53] <melodie> Ubuntu has funds and Ubuntu has a different life cycle
[23:53] <melodie> Ubuntu takes from Debian and gives back valuable things too
[23:54] <melodie> lately (2 years ago) I found Debian (stable and testing) had super ugly fonts in a machine with a low quality grahic card.
[23:54] <melodie> I have been tought to use some packages from Ubuntu to fix it and add a few configuration files.
[23:54] <melodie> that did the trick.
[23:54] <Enkidu_ak> melodie, I don't disagree. I wasn't disparaging either, just pointing out the hierarchy of technological progression
[23:55] <melodie> lately the same happened with antiX (which uses Debian parts mainly) I grabbed the same fonts and did configuration files again and hop fixed!
[23:55] <melodie> I need to check "wreckless" in a translator
[23:55] <melodie> wait a sec
[23:56] <Enkidu_ak> I meant reckless
[23:56] <Enkidu_ak> But my mind formed "wreck" and my finders didn't check it
[23:56] <Enkidu_ak> fingers*
[23:57] <melodie> oh
[23:57] <Enkidu_ak> homophones and I have a long and troubled history :)
[23:57] <melodie> ok got it
[23:57] <melodie> but Ubuntu has the LTS versions
[23:58] <melodie> and after 3 to 6 months after their come out, they are very safe to use and stable
[23:58] <Enkidu_ak> It does and it is. I just meant that, compared to wheezy, even the LTS seems quite radical.
[23:59] <Enkidu_ak> Arch is probably a couple of orders of magnitude beyond that