[00:18] <Scunizi> Yuken: you could probably ssh the items across and if it's linux to windows then use Putty on the windows side.
[00:18] <Scunizi> sorry wrong paste.
[00:18] <Scunizi> I have 2 pdf printers available. In the print dialogue the 2nd shows 'Print to File (PDF)'.  It also doesn't show in CUPS or the gui printer setup dialogue. I need to change it's defaults. Any ideas where to look or how to do it?
[00:22] <SporkWitch> Scunizi: does putty behave with scp? i'd generally recommend bitvise tunnelier for the windows side, makes life a lot easier, and when you establish a connection it gives a nice GUI file explorer you can use to drag and drop files between the local and the remote
[00:23] <Enkidu_ak> SporkWitch, WinSCP also seems nice
[00:24] <SporkWitch> Enkidu_ak: never used it.  i came across tunnelier years ago and ended up just using that until i got rid of windows entirely
[00:25] <Enkidu_ak> SporkWitch, Comander-style interface, nice queuing and scheduling capabilities, open source.
[00:25] <SporkWitch> Enkidu_ak: it feels almost like having a normal ssh client + scp, only on windows.  does file transfers, SOCKS proxy, terminal session.  it might even allow X11 forwarding, but i never tried that
[00:25] <SporkWitch> never used comander either lol
[00:25] <Scunizi> SporkWitch: I believe so.
[00:26] <Enkidu_ak> I've never done any X11 forwarding in windows either. I don't use windows anymore so I doubt I'd have the opportunity to try it
[07:20] <Noah123> Anyone here can guide me through the install?
[07:28] <Noah123> I have some queries ...
[07:29] <ahoneybun> Noah123: what's up :)
[07:38] <Noah123> ahoneybun: Not so much :) I wanna dual boot install Kubuntu with Windows, currently I have Windows, and 80 GB unallocated space. I have Kubuntu on a bootable USB but I don't know what's next ...
[07:39] <Noah123> Would appreciate help ...:)
[07:39] <ahoneybun> what version of Kubuntu?
[07:39] <Noah123> 14.04.2
[07:40] <ahoneybun> ok cool :)
[07:40] <ahoneybun> let me grab the Docs and walk you though it
[07:40] <Noah123> In PM or here?
[07:40] <ahoneybun> here is fine
[07:40] <ahoneybun> https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation
[07:40] <Noah123> And thanks!
[07:40] <Noah123> I wanna do it with dual boot
[07:41] <Noah123> Thank you
[07:41] <ahoneybun> as always make backups of everything
[07:41] <Noah123> I don't have anything important
[07:41] <Noah123> Anyway, the disk setup is the hard thing
[07:41] <Noah123> I don't understand it
[07:41] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:42] <ahoneybun> are you on windows at the moment?
[07:42] <Noah123> Yep!
[07:42] <Noah123> I have an USB
[07:42] <Noah123> with kubuntu
[07:42] <ahoneybun> awesome
[07:42] <Noah123> Well, I can chat with you on another computer
[07:42] <Noah123> OK?
[07:42] <ahoneybun> yea of course
[07:42] <Noah123> Ok
[07:42] <Noah123> one moment! :)
[07:43] <ahoneybun> need to lookup the windows tool anyway
[07:43] <Noah123> K
[07:43] <ahoneybun> go tit
[07:43] <ahoneybun> *got it
[07:43] <noah1234> Okay I'm on another computer, now
[07:44] <ahoneybun> sweet
[07:44] <ahoneybun> on the windows computer hit the keys
[07:44] <noah1234> :)
[07:44] <ahoneybun> "win key + r"
[07:44] <noah1234> And ...?
[07:44] <ahoneybun> or search for disk management
[07:44] <noah1234> done
[07:45] <ahoneybun> I want to look at your current hard drive to know where the windows is
[07:45] <noah1234> C:\
[07:45] <ahoneybun> so I know where not to touch
[07:45] <noah1234> Don't touch C:\ or D:\
[07:46] <ahoneybun> think of your hard drive as a Sub
[07:46] <noah1234> C:\ = Windows (235 GB empty) D:\ = Recovery Partition
[07:46] <ahoneybun> before you install any operating system (windows, kubuntu) it is a whole sub
[07:46] <ahoneybun> got it?
[07:46] <noah1234> Maybe ... I have shrunk the C:\ partition and now I have 80 GB unallocated space ...
[07:46] <noah1234> before
[07:47] <ahoneybun> yea the C: partition is one part of the sub
[07:47] <noah1234> so basically I have 80 GB unallocated space I can make partitions of
[07:47] <noah1234> right?
[07:47] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:47] <noah1234> :)
[07:47] <noah1234> so what's next?
[07:47] <ahoneybun> is kubuntu on a dvd or usb?
[07:48] <noah1234> USB
[07:48] <noah1234> created with UNetbootin
[07:48] <noah1234> if that's ok.
[07:48] <ahoneybun> ok so put the usb in the computer that you want to install Kubuntu on
[07:48] <ahoneybun> yea it works great with ubuntu  (kubuntu, xubuntu)
[07:48] <ahoneybun> them all that are based on ubuntu
[07:48] <noah1234> Ok
[07:48] <noah1234> And now?
[07:48] <noah1234> I have the USB in the PC
[07:49] <ahoneybun> reboot the computer
[07:49] <noah1234> k
[07:49] <ahoneybun> most computers have a key you have to press when booting up
[07:49] <noah1234> yeah
[07:49] <noah1234> F9
[07:49] <ahoneybun> to boot from a usb/dvd
[07:49] <ahoneybun> press that
[07:49] <ahoneybun> when it first boots
[07:49] <ahoneybun> should pop up a menu to pick your usb from
[07:49] <noah1234> When I do it it a screen comes, asking be to choose an option "Default" "Start Kubuntu" or wait for it to boot
[07:50] <noah1234> unetbootin menu
[07:50] <ahoneybun> start kubuntu
[07:50] <ahoneybun> it will run a live Kubuntu
[07:50] <noah1234> ok then this screen pop ups again
[07:50] <ahoneybun> not doing anything to the hard drive (for now)
[07:50] <ahoneybun> the menu is coming back on again?
[07:50] <noah1234> Yes
[07:51] <noah1234> but loadinh
[07:51] <noah1234> now Kubuntu started!
[07:51] <ahoneybun> awesomesauce
[07:51] <ahoneybun> now on the desktop there is a widget with something called "install kubuntu"
[07:52] <noah1234> yea
[07:52] <ahoneybun> click that
[07:52] <noah1234> Ok
[07:52] <ahoneybun> it will start the install app
[07:52] <noah1234> Should I connect to WiFi?
[07:52] <noah1234> it asks
[07:52] <ahoneybun> yea that is best
[07:52] <noah1234> k
[07:52] <ahoneybun> and to be connected to power
[07:53] <ahoneybun> after that you should be here https://userbase.kde.org/File:Prepare.png
[07:53] <noah1234> one moment
[07:53] <ahoneybun> ok
[07:54] <ahoneybun> wow 4am almost
[07:54] <noah1234> Yep im there
[07:54] <ahoneybun> ok check the 2 boxes
[07:54] <noah1234> Ok!
[07:55] <noah1234> Now?
[07:55] <noah1234> done
[07:55] <ahoneybun> click next
[07:55] <ahoneybun> on the bottom
[07:55] <ahoneybun> sorry continue
[07:55] <noah1234> done
[07:55] <ahoneybun> now does it show windows is installed?
[07:56] <noah1234> It shows all my partitions plus the unallocated 80 GB space
[07:56] <ahoneybun> ok good
[07:57] <ahoneybun> click the manual button
[07:57] <ahoneybun> 5th option
[07:57] <noah1234> https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/8/8b/KubuntuDiskSetup.png
[07:57] <noah1234> ok
[07:58] <noah1234> Continue?
[07:58] <ahoneybun> yea on the bottom
[07:58] <noah1234> done
[07:58] <ahoneybun> now we should be here https://userbase.kde.org/File:Manual.png
[07:58] <noah1234> https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/b/b5/Manual.png
[07:58] <noah1234> Yeah
[07:58] <ahoneybun> it should show some partitions with NTFS
[07:59] <ahoneybun> that is the windows os
[07:59] <noah1234> yea
[07:59] <ahoneybun> under type
[07:59] <noah1234> and the unallocated free 80 GB space
[07:59] <ahoneybun> don;t touch those
[07:59] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:59] <ahoneybun> click that then add
[07:59] <noah1234> Ok
[07:59] <noah1234> now?
[07:59] <ahoneybun> make the size 72GBs
[07:59] <ahoneybun> opps
[08:00] <ahoneybun> yea yea
[08:00] <ahoneybun> if you want to use the whole 80gbs
[08:00] <noah1234> In MB? I can use 85899 (maximum)
[08:00] <noah1234> MB
[08:00] <ahoneybun> we will leave 8 for swap
[08:00] <noah1234> Ok
[08:00] <ahoneybun> 72GB
[08:00] <noah1234> In MB how much?
[08:00] <ahoneybun> let me check
[08:01] <noah1234> But it says I have 85,9 GB
[08:01] <noah1234> 85899 MB
[08:01] <noah1234> to be exact
[08:01] <ahoneybun> it never cuts it in perfect sizes
[08:02] <noah1234> oh ok
[08:02] <ahoneybun> as long as it is not NTFS we are safe
[08:02] <noah1234> it unallocated
[08:02] <noah1234> it's*
[08:03] <ahoneybun> yea thats what we want
[08:03] <noah1234> so what should I here?
[08:03] <ahoneybun> ext4 is the file system type
[08:03] <noah1234> yea
[08:03] <ahoneybun> http://static.grabi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Hard-disk-partition-in-Ubuntu1.jpg
[08:03] <noah1234> ext4 journaling file system
[08:04] <noah1234> primary or logical? how much MB? beginning or end? Mount point?
[08:04] <ahoneybun> primary, 72000, beginning, /
[08:04] <ahoneybun> wait end
[08:04] <noah1234> ok end
[08:05] <ahoneybun>  / is like C:\
[08:05] <ahoneybun> but for Linux/Unix
[08:05] <noah1234> I have Swedish keyboard layout, but Kubuntu has US ...
[08:05] <ahoneybun> now there should still be some space left
[08:05] <ahoneybun> later in the installer you can change that
[08:05] <ahoneybun> not sure if it has swedish in there but we'll see
[08:05] <noah1234> ok
[08:06] <ahoneybun> if not I'll file a bug
[08:06] <noah1234> Thanks so much!
[08:06] <noah1234> yes 13 GB
[08:06] <ahoneybun> oh woo
[08:06] <ahoneybun> *woo
[08:06] <ahoneybun> crap
[08:06] <ahoneybun> lol
[08:06] <noah1234> it says :)
[08:06] <ahoneybun> ok click that and then add like we did before
[08:07] <noah1234> but it's "unuseable"
[08:07] <ahoneybun> its not paritioned
[08:07] <ahoneybun> can you click it?
[08:07] <ahoneybun> and click the add button?
[08:07] <noah1234> yes
[08:07] <noah1234> no
[08:07] <noah1234> not the add button
[08:08] <noah1234> maybe we need to add the swap partition first ?
[08:08] <ahoneybun> no we can remove the partition you just made and redo it
[08:08] <noah1234> ?
[08:08] <ahoneybun> click the ext4 / partiton
[08:09] <noah1234> yes
[08:09] <ahoneybun> and click delete
[08:09] <noah1234> k
[08:09] <ahoneybun> then select it again and click add again
[08:09] <noah1234> there is an "undo" button also...
[08:09] <noah1234> ok
[08:09] <noah1234> you mean select.. the 80 GB unallocated space?
[08:09] <ahoneybun> yea
[08:10] <noah1234> done
[08:10] <noah1234> and how much MB etc.?
[08:10] <ahoneybun> 64000
[08:10] <noah1234> 64000?
[08:10] <ahoneybun> primary, 64000, end, /
[08:10] <ahoneybun> yea
[08:10] <noah1234> before it was ... 72000
[08:10] <ahoneybun> 64000 = 64GB
[08:10] <noah1234> ext4 or?
[08:10] <ahoneybun> we did not have any space left for swap
[08:11] <ahoneybun> ext4
[08:11] <noah1234> ok now we have 21,9 GB left
[08:11] <noah1234> and it's unuseable
[08:11] <noah1234> as before
[08:11] <ahoneybun> what the
[08:12] <noah1234> can't click Add
[08:12] <ahoneybun> can you take a picture and upload it somewhere
[08:12] <noah1234> maybe we need to create the swap partition first?
[08:12] <noah1234> yes with my smartphone
[08:12] <ahoneybun> I will get it right
[08:12] <noah1234> ?
[08:12] <ahoneybun> I make the / then the swap
[08:12] <noah1234> Ok
[08:12] <ahoneybun> how much ram do you have on the computer?
[08:13] <noah1234> 4 GB
[08:13] <ahoneybun> do you game or do video editing?
[08:13] <noah1234> not so much
[08:13] <noah1234> sometimes video editing
[08:13] <noah1234> on Windows...
[08:14] <ahoneybun> oh ok lets remove the partiton
[08:14] <ahoneybun> and use the whole space
[08:14] <ahoneybun> 86GBs
[08:14] <noah1234> on the docs it says we need swap partition
[08:14] <ahoneybun> under 4GBs of ram it is recommened
[08:14] <noah1234> I have 4 GB
[08:14] <noah1234> ...
[08:15] <ahoneybun> tbh I'm running without it
[08:15] <hateball> You need swap if you ever intend to suspend
[08:15] <noah1234> What do you mean?
[08:15] <hateball> "viloläge"
[08:15] <ahoneybun> oh?
[08:15] <noah1234> Oh ok
[08:15] <noah1234> When I set it in sleep mode...
[08:15] <hateball> suspend to disk, hibernate perhaps is the proper term
[08:15] <ahoneybun> hateball: any idea why the space is unusable?
[08:15] <hateball> one is to ram, the other is to disk, I forget which since I dont use it
[08:15] <noah1234> after the / partition
[08:16] <noah1234> ahoneybun: on one video they create the swap part first
[08:16] <noah1234> and it works on the video
[08:16] <ahoneybun> noah1234: I'm really sorry but I'm falling asleep
[08:17] <noah1234> oh...
[08:17] <noah1234> ok...
[08:17] <ahoneybun> its 4am here lol
[08:17] <noah1234> :D
[08:17] <hateball> I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve here. If all you want to do is dualboot with Windows, the installer has an automagic option for that
[08:17] <noah1234> when can we continue?
[08:17] <ahoneybun> I'll be on later today
[08:17] <noah1234> hateball: where?
[08:17] <noah1234> ok ahoneybun cya!
[08:17] <ahoneybun> hateball: sometimes it does not see the windows
[08:17] <ahoneybun> noah1234: I'm reachable on email as well
[08:18] <noah1234> email address in PM ahoneybun
[08:18]  * ahoneybun falls to sleep
[08:18] <hateball> ahoneybun: Is that a certainty in this case?
[08:19] <hateball> If the installer finds your Windows partitions, it should offer to "install alongside other OS" or some such
[08:19] <noah1234> It doesn't
[08:19] <noah1234> have this option
[08:19] <hateball> If the installer doesnt see the ntfs partitions, I'd reboot into Windows and run chkdsk on the partition/s first
[08:19] <noah1234> It see the NTFS partitions
[08:20] <noah1234> but not this option
[08:20] <noah1234> "Windows 7 (ntfs)"
[08:21] <hateball> noah1234:Which version of Kubuntu is this?
[08:21] <noah1234> hateball: 14.04.2
[08:21] <hateball> Strange
[08:22] <hateball> Oh well, I havent dualbooted in aeons so I'll take a backseat here
[08:22] <noah1234> Ok ....;(
[08:23] <noah1234> "After installing Windows 7 or 8, you need to have a logical partition to install Ubuntu alongside it. If you don't have a logical partition then the option Install Ubuntu alongside Windows is missing."
[08:24] <noah1234> If I create a logical partition of the unallocated 80 GB, would it work?
[08:25] <noah1234> with this option
[08:25] <noah1234> hateball
[08:27] <hateball> noah1234: Sure, you can partition manually and pick mountpoints and such, but you'll need to know what you're doing then so you don't accidentally lose data
[08:28] <noah1234> But it says the "Install alongside Windows 7" will be available if I, before the installation create a logical partition of the unallocated 80 GB
[08:28] <noah1234> would that work?
[08:28] <hateball> You could try, it wont break anything
[08:28] <hateball> There's a partition tool included on the live-usb
[08:30] <noah1234> unetbootin?
[08:35] <valorie> noah1234: it shouldn't matter what application you used to burn the ISO
[08:35] <valorie> the iso has the partition tool included
[08:35] <valorie> kparted as I recall
[08:36] <noah1234> valorie: do you have any ideas why the space is unuseable after creating the / ext4 partition?
[08:36] <valorie> I don't
[08:36] <noah1234> ok...
[08:39] <valorie> !partition
[08:40] <valorie> probably the best advice in that link above, noah1234
[08:41] <noah1234> Well I don't understand this really
[08:42] <valorie> it does not come easily to me, for sure
[08:42] <valorie> every time I have to do it, I have to re-read the docs
[08:48] <noah1234> ok...
[08:56] <yossarianuk> hi - where is the best room to ask about upstart jobs (I 'm trying to work out why it doesn't start on boot)
[08:57] <noah1234> Should the swap partition be logical?
[08:58] <yossarianuk> noah1234: it doesn't matter
[08:58] <yossarianuk> noah1234:  also you can use a swap file for same performance (since kernel 2.6.x)
[08:59] <noah1234> swap file?
[09:00] <valorie> yossarianuk: are you running the beta, or what?
[09:03] <yossarianuk> valorie: the query regarding the upstart script I have made is on the LTS 14.04
[09:04] <yossarianuk> (I am running 15.04 beta @ home _)
[09:04] <yossarianuk> and really liking it....
[09:04] <valorie> ah, ok
[09:05] <yossarianuk> There are a couple of issues with it - 1) no weather widget (2) when you go to unlock the desktop it doesn't focus in the password field
[09:05] <valorie> I know nothing of upstart scripts
[09:05] <valorie> true
[09:05] <valorie> I hope the weather widget will be coming soon
[09:05] <yossarianuk> cool - my question really was the when is the best place to ask.
[09:05] <valorie> and there is a bug filed about the lockscreen
[09:05] <noah1234> Well everything I want is to install Kubuntu using dual boot with Windows but it's not working!!
[09:05] <valorie> for now, what works is hitting tab twice
[09:06] <yossarianuk> valorie: yep thats what I do..
[09:06] <yossarianuk> when you first login though it does focus..
[09:06] <valorie> right
[09:06] <valorie> it is the lockscreen, something is stealing focus
[09:07] <valorie> last I heard, the thief had not been spotted yet
[09:07] <yossarianuk> Obviously its the NSA........
[09:07] <valorie> noah1234: people will be along soon who can help you
[09:08] <valorie> sorry, all I have to offer is that link, if the docs that ahoneybun linked you to earlier don't help
[09:08]  * valorie heads bedward
[09:36] <aftereyo> System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display.
[09:36] <aftereyo> dafuq is that?
[09:36] <aftereyo> Kubuntu 15.04
[09:39] <aftereyo> when trying to open system settings
[10:06] <herol3oy3333> hi.. there is only one file in my flash memory bigger than 2GB (it's name is ????? so i can not rename it normaly). how can i find it and then rename it to "hello" for example???
[10:09] <noah123> I have been trying to install Kubuntu with Dual Boot (Windows 7) for weeks now, I have no idea how
[10:10] <noah123> Can't someone guide me through the install? Please ...
[10:11] <noah123> :)
[10:19] <owlman> noah123: have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[11:22] <soee> good morning
[11:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:24] <yossarianuk> hi - will this be in 15.04 ->  https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.2.2.php
[12:25] <soee> yossarianuk: it already is :)
[12:26] <yossarianuk> groovy !
[12:26] <yossarianuk> i.e 15.04 already has it ?
[12:26] <soee> yossarianuk: hes if you are on daily updates
[12:26] <yossarianuk> cool - I am @ home.
[12:26] <soee> tomorrow final Vivid Beta will be released
[12:26] <yossarianuk> 15.04 seems really nice BTW
[12:26] <soee> and you can tets it
[12:27] <soee> indeed :)
[12:27] <yossarianuk> I shall do on my work laptop...
[12:27] <yossarianuk> the nightly iso had issues with install (on uefi)
[12:27] <yossarianuk> I had to install twice in order to get the UEFI entry,.
[12:27] <yossarianuk> (nightly from 21 march)
[12:29] <soee> oh
[12:31] <Trustcorner> Hi
[12:31] <Trustcorner> ahoneybun, are you online?
[12:32] <soee> ;o
[12:33] <Sparasite> Hey!
[12:33] <Sparasite> :)
[12:34] <soee> hiho Sparasite
[12:34] <Sparasite> soee, do you know much about (K)ubuntu?
[12:34] <Sparasite> Having problems
[12:35] <soee> Sparasite: just ask
[12:36] <Sparasite> I have already did, a lot of times ...
[12:36] <Sparasite> No-one can really help
[12:36] <Sparasite> It seems like
[12:36] <Sparasite> Can you help me
[12:38] <hateball> I don't think many of us are mindreaders
[12:38] <soee> Sparasite: how can we help if we dont now what the problem is
[12:39] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: just ask the question...........
[12:39] <Sparasite> Well it's not the first time I ask this (no real answer). I don't know how to install Kubuntu using Dual Boot with Win 7
[12:39] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: what aspect are you having issues with ?
[12:39] <Sparasite> And I have problems when I do it
[12:40] <yossarianuk> i.e .............
[12:40] <Sparasite> And that's because I'm a newbie
[12:40] <Sparasite> I do it wrong
[12:40] <Sparasite> I have read all the docs etc,
[12:40] <soee> Sparasite: simplest way ? install windoes, create separate partitions for Kubuntu and use Wubi to install linunx
[12:41] <soee> and you are done
[12:41] <soee> i assume you have read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot ?
[12:41] <Sparasite> Wubi?
[12:41] <Sparasite> Yep
[12:41] <soee> Sparasite: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[12:41] <yossarianuk> wubi isn't supported any more
[12:41] <Sparasite> But I wanna use Kubuntu
[12:42] <Sparasite> yossarianuk, "Wubi is an officially supported installer for Windows XP, Vista and 7 users that allows Ubuntu to be installed and uninstalled in a safe, easy way as with any other Windows application."
[12:42] <yossarianuk> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/wubi-advice
[12:42] <yossarianuk> 'Ubuntu Website Warns Windows 8 Users: Don’t Use WUBI'
[12:42] <Sparasite> I am using Windows 7
[12:42] <yossarianuk> but I see you said 7
[12:42] <Sparasite> Yep :D
[12:42] <Sparasite> Is Wubi the recomemnded way?
[12:43] <Sparasite> For win 7
[12:43] <yossarianuk> wubi is awful
[12:43] <hateball> wubi is... I dont see why anyone would use it
[12:43] <yossarianuk> wubi is slow/unsupported/crap
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Sparasite, you could dual boot or use a VM
[12:43] <yossarianuk> whats the point in installing crap
[12:43] <Sparasite> I hate VM's
[12:43] <Sparasite> I wanna dual boot
[12:43] <yossarianuk> I would shrink win7 partition and dual boot
[12:43] <Sparasite> I have done that
[12:44] <yossarianuk> great
[12:44] <Sparasite> Shrunk the C:\ and I have 80 GB unallocated space
[12:44] <Sparasite> Don't know what do with the USB (Kubuntu)
[12:44] <Sparasite> The installation (disk setup) is not newbie-friendly
[12:44] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: its pretty user friendly .....
[12:44] <Sparasite> Nope, I don't think so
[12:45] <Sparasite> I have no idea what to do
[12:45] <soee> but i think you can also just: have installed windows, leave empty partitions for kubuntnu and run Kubuntu from USB or CD and just inistall it
[12:45] <soee> it will configure all
[12:45] <Sparasite> Empty partitions?
[12:45] <Sparasite> Partition or PartitionS?
[12:45] <soee> Sparasite: use separate partition for / and separate for /home
[12:46] <soee> than if you reinstall system all your user data will stay untouched
[12:46] <soee> also if your pc i low spec, you can ceate swap
[12:46] <Sparasite> I have 4 GB RAM
[12:46] <Sparasite> installed
[12:47] <soee> BluesKaj: swap is recommended for what RAM on the board ?
[12:47] <rmrfchik> any tips to run kubuntu-plasma5-14.10-desktop-i386.iso in virtualbox?
[12:47] <Sparasite> Well, I have 80 GB unallocated space and an USB
[12:47] <Sparasite> With Kubuntu
[12:47] <soee> rmrfchik: why would you want to do that ?
[12:48] <soee> rmrfchik: use vivid
[12:48] <rmrfchik> soee: vivid?
[12:48] <Sparasite> Can someone help me install? I have been trying to get help for weeks now ...
[12:48] <soee> rmrfchik: Kubutnu 15.04
[12:48] <soee> *kubuntu
[12:48] <rmrfchik> soee: can't find it on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[12:49] <Sparasite> ;(
[12:49] <BluesKaj> soee, probly under 6G , i don't need any swap on my laptop with 8G RAM
[12:49] <soee> rmrfchik: because it is in Beta stage now: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[12:49] <soee> BluesKaj: so do i
[12:49] <rmrfchik> soee: thanks!
[12:49] <soee> Sparasite: this partition is empty ?
[12:50] <soee> and separate ?
[12:50] <Sparasite> I have, as said, 80 GB unallocated space and a Kubuntu USB
[12:50] <Sparasite> shrunk from the C:\
[12:50] <soee> Sparasite: ok so run installer from USB, when you get into ste where you need to select partition than:
[12:51] <soee> 1. create new one for / and set its size to ~ 20GB
[12:51] <soee> 2. create second partition for /home and use rest free space
[12:51] <Sparasite> File system? Beginning or End?
[12:52] <soee> i use ext4 for both
[12:52] <Sparasite> Beginning or End?
[12:52] <Sparasite> No swap partition?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Sparasite, ok , either burn gparted to cd or install on a usb and use it to set your partitons up beforehand, makes it much easier to install IMO
[12:52] <soee> you can create swap for 4gb ram i think
[12:53] <soee> BluesKaj: installer will do it just fine i thinnk
[12:53] <Sparasite> IMO?
[12:53] <soee> imo - in my opinion
[12:53] <BluesKaj> soee, the installer can be confusing to new users, but to each his own
[12:54]  * Sparasite brb
[12:54] <BluesKaj> the installer partitioning phase that is
[13:00] <soee> Sparasite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo2k8pO4O_Y
[13:02] <soee> on the movie he does not create separate /home partition
[13:02] <soee> but you should do it
[13:02] <soee> Sparasite: always pick begining
[13:10] <BluesKaj> soee, he's on windows 7 , dunno if the video applies
[13:10] <soee> BluesKaj: it does
[13:10] <soee> the partitioning tool is the same i think
[13:11] <soee> and that is the only one important thing but he also said he already has free space
[13:11] <soee> so teh windows part can be skipped ;)
[13:11] <BluesKaj> the boot manager phase as well?, never seen that before
[13:13] <soee> he will have Windows 7 option in GRUB
[13:13] <soee> just to boot into windows
[13:14] <BluesKaj> not grub, in the video he chooses the boot manger and suddenly grub appears from nowhere it seems
[13:23] <Sparasite> Hi
[13:24] <Sparasite> How much MB should the swap area be? (SHould I have one?)
[13:25] <Sparasite> soee
[13:26] <Sparasite> or BluesKaj...
[13:27] <soee> Sparasite: uh hard ot say, i think somone mentioned twice of ram size but
[13:27] <soee> i dont think that much will be needed
[13:27] <Sparasite> Well...
[13:27] <Sparasite> Ok
[13:27] <Sparasite> So should I begin with /, or /home ?
[13:27] <soee> set it maybe to 2 or 4 GB
[13:27] <Sparasite> Or swap?
[13:27] <Sparasite> ok
[13:28] <soee> Sparasite: doesn matter much i think
[13:28] <Sparasite> But what do you mean with RAM?
[13:28] <Sparasite> it's from the unallocated 80 GB...
[13:28] <Sparasite> not my RAM?
[13:28] <soee> Sparasite: i heard once someone told that if for example  you have 4GB ram than swpa should have 8GB
[13:28] <soee> but i don't think it is true
[13:29] <soee> i have 8GB ram here on my laptop and i do not have swap at all
[13:29] <Sparasite> The person who created the docs told me I should have 12 GB swap?
[13:29] <soee> naaah
[13:29] <Sparasite> Well, ok...
[13:29] <Sparasite> So how much Swap? If needed
[13:29] <soee> as i said set 2 or 4 :)
[13:30] <Sparasite> First, do I need swap?
[13:30] <soee> Sparasite: it might be usefull for some heavy taks when all your ram is used
[13:30] <soee> than some data goes through swap
[13:30] <Sparasite> But what do you mean with RAM?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> for 4G RAM , 6G swap is optimum
[13:30] <Sparasite> It's from the unallocated space
[13:30] <Sparasite> on my hard driv
[13:30] <Sparasite> drive*
[13:31] <soee> Sparasite: yes  but we are talking about how much memory - RAM - you have on your pc
[13:31] <Sparasite> Ok
[13:31] <soee> and depends of it the swap size
[13:32] <Sparasite> The swap partition I create is from the hard drive space?
[13:33] <Sparasite> right?
[13:33] <soee> yes
[13:33] <Sparasite> Why are we talking RAM?
[13:33] <Sparasite> :)
[13:33] <soee> we dont
[13:33] <Sparasite> Oh k
[13:33] <soee> RAM is RAM
[13:33] <soee> swpa is some space on hdd
[13:34] <Sparasite> So what do I need?
[13:34] <soee> that is used when your RAM is used in 100%
[13:34] <Sparasite> A swap parition, / patition, and /home?
[13:34] <soee> Sparasite: yes
[13:34] <Sparasite> And the swap partition should have 4 GB?
[13:35] <soee> Sparasite: you decide, if you plan to do some heavy thik like video processing or similiar when your 4GB RAM might be all used
[13:35] <Sparasite> Yes
[13:35] <Sparasite> I'm gonna do that
[13:35] <soee> than swap is used,
[13:35] <Sparasite> And then 4 GB is enough?
[13:35] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: I would just use 4 GB - you can always add a swap file later if you need more (you wont)
[13:36] <Sparasite> Ok what's 4 GB in MB?
[13:36] <yossarianuk> 1024 x 4
[13:36] <soee> ?
[13:36] <Sparasite> oh k
[13:36] <yossarianuk> 4096 M
[13:36] <soee> ah :)
[13:36] <Sparasite> Primary or Logical?
[13:36] <Sparasite> Beginning or End? And mount point?
[13:37] <soee> Sparasite: set mountpoint to: swap
[13:37] <soee> ;D
[13:38] <Sparasite> File system should be set to "swap"?
[13:38] <soee> sorry
[13:38] <soee> use as: swap
[13:38] <Sparasite> So not leave the mount point empty?
[13:38] <Sparasite> as on the video
[13:38] <soee> you wont be able to set mount point if you set type to swap
[13:38] <Sparasite> yes
[13:39] <Sparasite> I am able to
[13:39] <Sparasite> or
[13:39] <Sparasite> the field is still there
[13:39] <BluesKaj> !
[13:39] <soee> Sparasite: field yes but i think it is disabled
[13:39] <BluesKaj> !enter
[13:39] <Sparasite> Oh k
[13:39] <soee> BluesKaj: ?
[13:39] <Sparasite> Beginning or End & Logical or Primary?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> nm soee
[13:41] <Sparasite> :)
[13:42] <Sparasite> Sorry if I ask a lot of questions - I'm a newbie
[13:43] <drdozer> hi - is it possible to use chrome applications, like tweetdeck, as if they are kde native apps?
[13:43] <drdozer> without the browser window decorations and all that stuff
[13:44] <soee> Sparasite: i think for all partitions use Begining and logical when needed, i think one primary (with windows is enough and bootloader goes there)
[13:45] <Sparasite> Which should be primary?
[13:47] <soee> Sparasite: http://askubuntu.com/questions/121197/ubuntu-installation-partitioning-logical-or-primary
[13:48] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: just use logical
[13:48] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: note - if you had GPT/UEFI they would all br primary
[13:51] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, think his pc is pre 2010 , he's got W7
[13:51] <yossarianuk> sure - that was just for reference ...
[13:51] <soee> drdozer: thati  dont know
[13:51] <yossarianuk> (you could always be using GPT though with bios boot partition)
[13:52] <yossarianuk> (sorry - i realise i could be just confusing things..)
[13:52] <BluesKaj> drdozer, rhat's not even relevant , that's a google twitter client, doesn't it run on chrome
[13:52] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:54] <rmrfchik> soee: vivid also crashes in virtualbox :(
[13:54] <rmrfchik> soee: almost immediatelly after "Start kuubuntu"
[13:54] <ROOM1> ho
[13:54] <ROOM1> hi
[13:55] <soee> rmrfchik: crahes how ?
[13:55] <soee> ROOM1: hiho
[13:55] <rmrfchik> soee: vbox windows is closed and status is "terminated"
[13:55] <ROOM1> What r u doin
[13:55] <rmrfchik> btw, I have debian, winxp, win7 running in this vbox
[13:56] <BluesKaj> !u | ROOM1
[13:56] <ROOM1> kk
[13:56] <ROOM1> okay
[13:56] <soee> rmrfchik: i thought the VB crash was fixed already
[13:57] <rmrfchik> soee: any special settings for vm may be?
[13:57] <soee> rmrfchik: hard to say it never crashed and close VB window for me
[13:57] <rmrfchik> what version?
[13:58] <soee> when i was testing Vivid beta1, there were only problems with graphic settings, i had to play with acceleration etc
[13:58] <rmrfchik> soee: vbox version?
[13:58] <rmrfchik> 4.3.18-96516 here
[13:59] <soee> im not sure what version i had back then not it is 4.3.26
[13:59] <rmrfchik> err, "segfault at 618 ip 00007f2989b69b41 sp 00007f298d492c40 error 4 in VBoxDD.so" in dmesg...
[14:00] <soee> :/
[14:01] <rmrfchik> well, and debian is still running successfully
[14:02] <rmrfchik> aha, found. Switching on "PAE/NX" cause vbox crash, switching it off diasbles kubuntu start
[14:03] <soee> nice :)
[14:03] <rmrfchik> sad I can't try it :(
[14:36] <noah123> Is a swap partition optional?
[14:38] <soee> noah123: yes
[14:41] <noah123> And it can turn off in sleep mode any way?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> noah123, one can also create a swap file if necessary, thus preserving a primary partition for other uses
[14:42] <noah123> And it can turn off in sleep mode any way?
[14:42] <noah123> without a swap file/partition
[14:43] <BluesKaj> don't think so ..you need a swap partition for sleep afaik and it has to be larger than your ram
[14:51] <noah123> It says I will experience installation errors during installation without swap (gonna add it later)
[14:52] <noah123> is that OK?
[14:52] <noah123> can I ignore it?
[14:53] <noah123> :)
[14:53] <soee> what error ?
[14:54] <noah123> "It says I will experience installation errors during installation without swap (gonna add it later)"
[14:54] <noah123> can I ignore it?
[14:54] <noah123> The "" is because I sent it before
[14:54] <noah123> can I ignore it? I need an answer quick & fast now...
[14:55] <noah123> :)
[14:55] <noah123> please? Can I ignore the warning? I will add swap later
[14:56] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:56] <noah123> ok thnx!
[14:56] <noah123> so it will not be errors during installation?
[14:56] <noah123> as the message said
[14:57] <noah123> "You may experience errors while installing."
[14:57] <BluesKaj> I've seen that warning, and I ignored it successfully
[14:57] <noah123> Ok!
[14:58] <BluesKaj> noah123, it is easier to create a swap now , it shouldn't take too long
[14:58] <noah123> Can't. It says "unuseable" on all unallocated spaces
[14:59] <BluesKaj> yeah need to create a linux swap on a small partition like 6G or so on one of the unallocated spaces
[15:00] <BluesKaj> unallocated is unusable until you creat a file system like ext4 or linux swap
[15:15] <noah123> BluesKaj: I can't create a partition from it
[15:15] <noah123> Can I do it later instead ?
[15:15] <noah123> after installation
[15:16] <BluesKaj> noah123, do you have an ext4 partiiton ready for kubuntu?
[15:16] <noah123> Yea
[15:16] <noah123> But not swap can I add it later?
[15:16] <noah123> after installation
[15:17] <noah123> BluesKaj
[15:19] <BluesKaj> noah123, yes, it should be ok
[15:24] <noah123> k
[15:31] <yossarianuk> noah123: you can add a swap file after install
[15:31] <yossarianuk> noah123: since kernel 2.6 its the same performance using a swap file as partition.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> he was getting an error message about problems if he didn't setup a swap
[15:32] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk,^
[15:33] <yossarianuk> ah sorry...
[15:33] <noah123> yossarianuk: I'm using 14.04.2
[15:33] <noah123> That isn't possible there?
[15:33] <noah123> or?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> noah123, you're way beyond the 2.6 kernel , not to worry
[15:35] <noah123> BluesKaj: So it's possible?
[15:35] <yossarianuk> i.e - yes
[15:35] <yossarianuk> i would install the os (i.e continue)
[15:35] <yossarianuk> then add a swap file after
[15:35] <noah123> I did
[15:35] <noah123> :)
[15:35] <noah123> And btw will it be possible to use sleep mode with a swap FILE?
[15:36] <yossarianuk> oh - sorry this is an area I am unsure f.
[15:36] <yossarianuk> *of*
[15:37] <noah123> are you using a swap file instead, yossarianuk ?
[15:37] <yossarianuk> (I never use suspend ... I mainly use desktops (not a fan of mobile devices)
[15:37] <yossarianuk> noah123: on my desktop I have a swap partition
[15:38] <yossarianuk> but it wouldn't matter if I didn;t have one I could just add a swap file after install
[15:38] <noah123> Ok
[15:39] <yossarianuk> noah123: see this link - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1042946
[15:39] <noah123> Which would you recommend for me? (laptop - without swap sleep mode won't work)
[15:39] <yossarianuk> not sure how relevant it is now
[15:40] <noah123> ?
[15:40] <yossarianuk> if you are having issues I would re-install
[15:40] <noah123> no issues
[15:40] <noah123> But I need swap...
[15:40] <noah123> I think?
[15:40] <yossarianuk> well - either reinstall and add a swap partition
[15:40] <yossarianuk> or see - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1042946
[15:40] <yossarianuk> (HOWTO: Use swapfile instead of swap partition and have working hibernation)
[15:41] <noah123> I have just installed without a swap partition, yossarianuk
[15:42] <noah123> Which would you recommend for me? (laptop - without swap sleep mode won't work)
[15:42] <noah123> as said
[15:42] <noah123> file or partition?
[15:42] <yossarianuk> noah123: did you read the linjk
[15:42] <yossarianuk> try reading it
[15:43] <yossarianuk> or go in via live cd and shrink your filesystem and add swap
[15:43] <noah123> One quick question: Would YOU recommend a file instead?
[15:44] <noah123> ;D
[15:44] <noah123> trust you...
[15:45] <yossarianuk> well thank you - perhaps you've read catch 22?
[15:46] <yossarianuk> personally 'I' would use a swap file - but I run desktops (only)
[15:47] <noah123> catch 22?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> noah123, for a laptop a swap partition is best
[15:47] <yossarianuk> Yossarian is the main character....
[15:47] <noah123> oh k
[15:47] <yossarianuk> noah123: are you in the OS now ?
[15:48] <noah123> yep
[15:48] <yossarianuk> how many partitions do you have on the disk ?
[15:50] <yossarianuk> i.e as long as you have an extended/logical partition (or have less than 4, or are using GPT) then I suggest going to a live cd - shrinking your main filesystem and adding a swap partiton
[15:51] <yossarianuk> it would perhaps be quicker to just re-install mind you
[16:04] <noah123> Can I add a swap partition after installation? Forgot to add one
[16:16] <yossarianuk> noah123: yes
[16:17] <yossarianuk> if you have space you can add one
[16:17] <yossarianuk> or you will have to shrink your existing filesystem
[16:17] <yossarianuk> its easier to re-install though it you have just installed
[16:17] <yossarianuk> you may also have to alter various files in order to get suspend to work unless you re-install
[16:18] <yossarianuk> (my last piece of advice on this subject......)
[17:01] <noah123> Was AFK
[17:02] <noah123> Is it possible to create a swap partition after installation?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> noah123, yes use gparted live-media
[17:24] <noah123> live-media?
[17:24] <noah123> Well, I don't need it anymore
[17:24] <noah123> Can you help me in PM BluesKaj? Through the installation
[17:26] <noah123> and I trust you :D
[17:26] <noah123> and soee
[17:29] <soee> PM ?
[17:32] <noah123> Yes, /query
[17:32] <noah123> Private Message
[17:32] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: so remember my headset vs main sound issue the other day?  apparently the fix makes  it so the headset doesn't show up at all now lol
[17:32] <soee> just ask here if you have questions, this channel is logged so thers might google such conversations and get help to
[17:32]  * SporkWitch could have achieved that just by unplugging it
[17:33] <noah123> I'm trying but everyone is saying different things, soee
[17:33] <noah123> before when I asked
[17:35] <noah123> ;(
[17:49] <BluesKaj> noah123, everyone has told you it's possible to create a linux swap  partition after the install ..I saw nothing to the contrary
[17:50] <noah123> That's not what I mean, anyway nevermind
[17:52] <SporkWitch> noah123: then clarify.  looking at the logs, the question was asked and answered.  do you need help figuring out how to make a swap partition, add it to fstab, etc.?
[18:37] <aftereyo> where can I find the source of http://i.imgur.com/9k16xT7.png
[18:39] <Riddell> aftereyo: https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons
[18:39] <noah123> I have 3 partitions (Windows), and I created a logical partition of the unallocated 80 GB, and now I have 13 GB left but it's "unuseable". Why?
[18:50] <aftereyo> Riddel, any idea which one it would be?
[18:50] <aftereyo> https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons/tree/master/Breeze/mimetypes/file-types
[18:53] <aftereyo> who named these things
[19:26] <SporkWitch> when copying with dolphin within the same filesystem, is it doing an actual copy rather than a hardlink?
[19:30] <genii> SporkWitch: Not sure but you could check by: test file1 -ef file2     and see if they have the same inode numbers
[19:31] <genii> Different inode then not hardlinked
[19:59] <xarius> hello
[19:59] <xarius> Newbie at linux
[19:59] <xarius> looking for help
[19:59] <xarius> problem with Kmix
[19:59] <xarius> not opening
[20:04] <tuv0k> xarius: version of kubuntu. How are you trying to "open" kmix?
[20:05] <xarius>  lts
[20:05] <xarius> 14.04
[20:05] <xarius> it does not open at all
[20:05] <soee_> xarius: type in konsole: kmix
[20:06] <vinnie__>  I am using an Nvidia GeForce GT 120 graphics card connected to my TV via HDMI out. This card has a spdif cable that connects to the motherboard spdif out pins. Can someone please help me to get audio via HDMI?
[20:06] <xarius> no response
[20:06] <soee_> vinnie__: no audio at all ?
[20:06] <soee_> xarius: no errors ?
[20:07] <vinnie__> soee_: only from the onboard audio
[20:07] <xarius>  session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[20:07] <soee_> vinnie__: sorry than i never connected cards through spdif
[20:08] <xarius> i have only very low audio
[20:08] <vinnie__> soee_: The card is pci
[20:08] <xarius> and cannot open Kwin to select sound
[20:08] <xarius> i have a asus G75vw
[20:09] <xarius> computer
[20:11] <soee_> vinnie__: what i do to have audio through hdmi, is to go to System Settings -> Multimedia -> Audio Hardware Setup (tab) and pick there hdmi output
[20:13] <xarius> pulse audio does not open same thing.
[20:13] <vinnie__> soee_: HDMI or spdif is not listed in the drop down
[20:13] <xarius> as Kmix
[20:14] <soee_> vinnie__: that strange, what Kubuntu version are you running ?
[20:15] <vinnie__> Im actualy running Linux Mint 17.1 KDE
[20:15] <vinnie__> soee_: ^^
[20:16] <vinnie__> soee_: Ive tried for 2 days now to get help from mint chanel with no luck
[20:16] <soee_> vinnie__: ah than i dont know i can set it easily here http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/25/workspace17.png
[20:18] <maelcum> hello. i could use some help with two problems after upgrading to 15.04. first, it doesn't really seem to boot with upstart anymore, so i had to switch to systemd. that gives me a mostly working x session.
[20:18] <vinnie__> was hoping someone could help me get it to show up by maybe modprobing or something. lol. I know with Linux there is always a way \.
[20:19] <maelcum> now the problem is that both /dev/dri/* and /dev/snd/* are not accessible by my user, so 3d acceleration doesn't work and alsa doesn't work. i'm not using pulseaudio.
[20:20] <maelcum> even alsamixer says it can't open the device, as root it can.
[20:20] <soee_> maelcum: Vivid since a week or so switched to systemd
[20:20] <maelcum> right, so i'm using the canonical (pun intended) init system.
[20:21] <maelcum> i've added my user to the audio group and it's already in the video group, and i've even cleared other acls on /dev/dri*, no dice.
[20:21] <maelcum> is this some cgroups thing maybe?
[20:22] <maelcum> i'm running a self compiled x server, so maybe if permissions are tied to the x server executable or something...
[20:24] <aftereyo_> Riddell: solved it
[20:49] <azaki> stupid question, but if i install the daily test builds of kubuntu 15.04, will it become the stable release once it's officially released next month? or will i have to reinstall?
[20:49] <azaki> or is it just going to become the 'next' testing build for a future release?
[20:50] <claydoh> azaki: it  will become official
[20:51] <azaki> claydoh, thanks. i wont have to change the package sources or tweak anything right? it'll just happen automatically?
[20:52] <aftereyo_> you can just update your way to stable
[20:52] <aftereyo_> that's what I am gonna do
[20:52] <aftereyo_> no need to reinstall
[21:09] <azaki> aftereyo_, alright, thank you. =)
[21:13] <SporkWitch> genii: yeah, looks like it's doing actual copies.  never contributed to a project before, what would be the best way to figure out where the code that handles copy operations is?  I'm gonna look into trying to identify the destination's filesystem, and if same, silently do a hard link instead of a copy (no user-noticeable difference other than the potential to decrease disk usage, and why NOT take
[21:13] <SporkWitch> advantage of one of the great features of UNIX/Linux filesystems?)
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[21:39] <genii> That was odd.