[00:59]  * luckybunny hears there are a lot of other Aquaris owners here, so came to join the fold
[00:59] <luckybunny> in other words, my phone arrived :)
[01:00] <luckybunny> so far, the only problem i have is one I already expected. The OS is great, but there are quite a few apps that need to be developed before I can switch from my android
[01:01] <luckybunny> as in actual on-device things, not webapps
[01:01]  * luckybunny would get right on that if he knew the second thing about programming
[01:04] <cwayne> luckybunny, any specific examples?
[01:04] <luckybunny> firstly an email app/scope that covers multiple gmail accounts, allows you to read the full email, and supports/uses audible notifications on email receipt (as opposed to a scope you have to manually refresh to see new emails from only one account, or the gmail webapp that you need to sign in to each account in individual sessions on the gmail website
[01:05] <luckybunny> also... citymapper
[01:05] <luckybunny> being a londoner, the closest thing I found to citymapper is a london underground scope
[01:05] <luckybunny> which I personally couldn't figure out
[01:07] <luckybunny> btw, I'm so happy that Telegram is not only supported, but pre-installed
[01:07] <luckybunny> I've used it for well over a year on my Xperia
[01:08] <luckybunny> ah.. there's another thing... A good robust IRC client, equivalent to Andchat, would be amazing
[01:09]  * luckybunny just realised that he was referring to push messages when he mentioned audible notifications
[01:11] <luckybunny> the tl;dr version is that i have always expected apps would be thin on the ground. There's more than I thought there would be, but mostly the ones I don't tend to use
[01:13] <Elleo> luckybunny: what can't you figure out about the tube scope?
[01:14] <luckybunny> seems that you click a line and it shows an image of the map of the line, as opposed to letting you pick a station and see the upcoming timetable for that station
[01:15] <Elleo> luckybunny: you pick a station by typing it in the search box
[01:15] <luckybunny> ah
[01:16] <Elleo> might be handy to be able to list all the stations on a line with links to them, not sure if the scopes infrastructure is flexible enough for that at the moment though
[01:16] <luckybunny> I see
[01:17] <luckybunny> Scopes (particularly the Today scope) remind me of Google Now cards
[01:17] <luckybunny> which is a good thing, btw
[01:20] <Elleo> :)
[01:22] <cwayne> :)
[01:22] <cwayne> luckybunny, I'm glad you like them
[02:08] <DonkeyHotei> [Tue 2015-03-24 06:08:22 PM PDT] <luckybunny> ah.. there's another thing... A good robust IRC client, equivalent to Andchat, would be amazing <---- not gonna happen. ever. by policy.
[02:52] <JamesTang> Hi :build issue:dbus-cpp/include/core/dbus/signal.h:21:25: fatal error: core/signal.h: No such file or directory
[02:53] <JamesTang> do you know core/signal.h?
[03:11] <JamesTang> and core::Signal is from core/signal.h?
[05:34] <JamesTang> Hi :build issue:dbus-cpp/include/core/dbus/signal.h:21:25: fatal error: core/signal.h: No such file or directory
[05:35] <JamesTang> do you know core/signal.h?
[06:06] <anpok_> JamesTang: i would guess part of libproperties-cpp-dev or if not then maybe libprocess-cpp-dev
[06:17] <JamesTang> core::Signal is from core/signal.h?
[06:24] <JamesTang> hi : core/posix/signal.h in libprocess-cpp-dev is not core/signal.h
[07:14] <anpok_> JamesTang: yes better install the dependencies
[07:14] <anpok_> JamesTang: as i said it is from libproperties-cpp
[07:15] <anpok_> and use pkg-config and cmake
[07:15] <anpok_> or a build tool
[07:28] <JamesTang> thank anpok_!
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <adrian47> rsalveti, thanks, works now
[08:21] <JamesTang> HI , how to resolve :g++-4.9:armhf : Depends: gcc-4.9:armhf (= 4.9.2-10ubuntu11) but it is not going to be installed?
[08:23] <JamesTang> in cross build environment：/var/lib/schroot/chroots/vivid-amd64-armhf
[08:28] <JamesTang> HI , how to resolve :g++-4.9:armhf : Depends: gcc-4.9:armhf (= 4.9.2-10ubuntu11) but it is not going to be installed?
[08:28] <JamesTang> in cross build environment：/var/lib/schroot/chroots/vivid-amd64-armhf
[08:40] <JamesTang> ？？？
[09:03] <salvo80> hi guys, does anyone know who maintains nexus 5 images?
[09:12] <popey> Tassadar: 09:03 < salvo80> hi guys, does anyone know who maintains nexus 5 images?
[09:12] <Tassadar> I know the guy, yeah, he's pretty cool
[09:14] <popey> :)
[09:20] <seb128> jgdx, hey, is there any reason you only comment approved https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/give-focus-to-entry/+merge/252594 ?
[09:21] <Nyms> Hello guys, I'm connect throughout my aquaris
[09:22] <Nyms> Is it normal the battery life is very short ??
[09:29] <tvoss> bzoltan_, dpm could you guys give JamesTang a hand for his cross build issues?
[09:29] <bzoltan_> tvoss:  sure, let me read back
[09:29] <tvoss> bzoltan_, awesome, thank you
[09:31] <bzoltan_> JamesTang: Let me understand the issue first :) What ubuntu do you use? What version of the click* packages (apt-cache policy click-dev -> pastebin it) do you have and what do you do when you see that?
[09:35] <salvo80> Hi Tassadar! You are doing a great work ;-)
[09:39] <popey> +1
[09:39] <ogra_> ++
[09:51] <JamesTang> hi bzoltan_:my ubuntu version is 14.4.
[09:52] <bzoltan_> JamesTang:  Okey, so it is the LTS edition. Cool, it is supported :) Do you have the Ubuntu SDK PPA enabled?
[09:53] <JamesTang> how to check whether enable SDK PPA?
[09:53] <JamesTang> or not
[09:54] <JamesTang> I have execute :sudo apt-get install sbuild debhelper ubuntu-dev-tools packaging-dev
[09:55] <JamesTang> sbuild-update --keygen
[09:55] <JamesTang> mk-sbuild --target=armhf vivid
[09:56] <JamesTang> and then:sudo schroot -c source:vivid-amd64-armhf -u root
[09:56] <JamesTang> and then:(vivid-amd64-armhf)# apt-get build-dep --host-architecture=armhf <your_package_name>
[09:58] <JamesTang> and then appear issue above
[09:59] <JamesTang> hi bzoltan_??
[10:00] <bzoltan_> JamesTang: I am here ... it is good to use my nick, so my irc client tells me that somebody needs me :D
[10:00] <JamesTang> the issue is in (vivid-amd64-armhf)
[10:00] <bzoltan_> JamesTang:  okey .. so you need this https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[10:01] <JamesTang> thanks,i will read it
[10:01] <bzoltan_> JamesTang:  the main story is that you need the schroots set up by the click wrapper
[10:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tolkien Reading Day! :-D
[11:28] <AlanBell> is it me, or is that browser icon the safari icon from a mac?
[11:30] <AlanBell> and what on earth are the apps in the app store under the accessibility section?
[11:31] <popey> it does look a bit like the safari icon, yes.
[11:31] <popey> AlanBell: developers choose which category their app goes in.
[11:32] <AlanBell> loving the rest of it so far
[11:33] <AlanBell> few rough edges here and there, but it feels fast
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> and secure
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> android playstore is a virus nightmare
[11:34] <popey> feel free to try to upload viruses :)
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[11:34] <popey> or maybe don't :)
[11:34] <popey> I didn't say that ㋛
[11:34]  * lotuspsychje didnt hear nothing
[11:34] <popey> I'm not convinced Android has lots of viruses. It certainly has a lot of anti-virus packages.
[11:35] <popey> and apps with crappy popup ads, or fake warnings
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> popey: readed an article even that flashlight app got malware inside
[11:35] <popey> oh, sure.
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> (on android of course)
[11:35] <popey> We need to be careful not to gloat over other platforms, our day will come when someone attacks us.
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> i agree on that one popey , stick to the alternate, safe ubuntu click apps :p
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> but i would have loved to see a terminal packages way, in the future
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> i have so many wanted apps to love on touch, like nmap
[11:38] <AlanBell> so far I am fairly happy with it, but I am learning it all from scratch, my prior experience with Ubuntu counts for nothing
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> maybe someone should 'cage' a terminal a safe way to install packages
[11:40] <AlanBell> anyone know how to get the home page of the today thing to display something more interesting than a review your google settings button
[11:42] <cwayne> AlanBell, tap the "Get started" button on the very bottom
[11:42] <AlanBell> cwayne: ah, ok, I clicked something there and now it asks me how I am
[11:43] <AlanBell> bored, hungry, thirsty or stressed
[11:43] <AlanBell> it knows me too well
[11:44] <AlanBell> these is quite a curious list of feelings, "on the move" isn't really an answer to how do you feel, and the others, are kinda downers
[11:45] <AlanBell> you can't say you are feeling exhilarated, excited, extatic, astonished
[11:46] <AlanBell> oooh, I see what it does now, it fixes your downer
[11:46] <AlanBell> lol, I am stressed -> go have a hair cut
[12:00] <jgdx> seb128, yes
[12:01] <jgdx> let me know if it's good for top approve
[12:14] <tekojo> hello, which image should I try on a nexus 5, vivid or rtm ?
[12:49] <themeles> is there a way to cache data in an ubuntu webapp, so it can be displayed offline?
[12:54] <Elleo> themeles: I believe so, but it has to be done on the webapp side, using the offline webapps spec: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/browsers.html#offline
[12:55] <Elleo> themeles: i.e. if you're not the author of the webapp there's not currently much you can do about caching unfortunately
[12:55] <daker> themeles: localstorage or the appcache http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/appcache/beginner/
[12:58] <themeles> Elleo: i m the author thanks for the hint. would you like to answer this question(asked by another user) http://askubuntu.com/questions/574068/ubuntu-webapps-caching-preload-offline-ability
[12:59] <paulito> Hello out there anyone who knows why I can't connect my Aquaris e 4.5 via cable to my mac? Android File Transfer doesn't work.
[13:00] <Elleo> themeles: sure thing
[13:02] <paulito> I tried to reinstall the program and tried all usb ports on my mac, but nothing happend
[13:02] <paulito> At the beginning it went good for some time but know a few days later I can't connect.
[13:06] <anpok> paulito: the standard response would be, do you have a pin/password configured? the device still pin locked? is the developer mode active?
[13:06] <seb128> jgdx, it should be good to top approve yes, not sure why you only comment approve in those cases?
[13:06] <anpok> but no idea about mac osx
[13:08] <jgdx> seb128, because I'm not sure why I should top approve. I thought the mr author requested that when happy with reviews.
[13:08] <seb128> jgdx, oh, weird workflow, to me the top-approver is a reviewer which knows enough the project to be happy for the change to land
[13:09] <seb128> jgdx, I don't top approve my own changes by principle, if I submit a mp it's because I think it's ready to be reviewed/commited
[13:09] <jgdx> seb128, so … I'm Mr. Top Approver?
[13:09] <seb128> hey
[13:10] <seb128> or let it to kenvandine if you prefer ;-)
[13:10]  * kenvandine waves
[13:10] <jgdx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHYFzDY9xnI
[13:15] <seb128> hey kenvandine ;-)
[13:32] <themeles> How can I access an Ubuntuphone shell via USB. The description here seems not work anymore: http://askubuntu.com/questions/348714/ubuntu-touch-apt-get-install-openssh-server-error
[13:33] <ncls> hi guys, is it possible to share a 3G connection with a computer with the Ubuntu Phone ?
[13:34] <ogra_> themeles, via USB or via ssh ?
[13:34] <ogra_> themeles, the only valid instructions in that article are http://askubuntu.com/questions/348714/ubuntu-touch-apt-get-install-openssh-server-error/599041#599041
[13:35] <themeles> themeles: both would be fine. Maybe SSH is even more convenient.
[13:35] <ogra_> everything else would be a really gross hack
[13:35] <ogra_> you need adb to copy the key over ... or you need to pull it with wget via the terminal-app and copy it in place as described there
[13:39] <themeles> ogra_: great, thank you. should we vote the answer up!?
[13:39] <ogra_> that would be nice, yeah
[13:40] <themeles> maybe you can add a comment how to get into the developer mode, i haven't got enough reputation to comment.
[13:40] <themeles> ogra_ ^
[13:43] <ogra_> themeles, like this ?
[13:44] <ahayzen> jamesh, FYI bug 1436110 looks like mediascanner is exploding while scanning certain audio files, i've added ms2 as also affects. Also do you think that it is possible this is causing the database to be locked and imports failing?
[13:44] <themeles> ogra_ just mention thats it under systemsettings -> About Phone
[13:44] <ogra_> themeles, yes, reload your browser ;)
[13:45] <themeles> ogra_: ahhh, YES!
[13:45] <ogra_> :)
[13:45] <themeles> ogra_ thanks!!!
[13:45] <ogra_> thanks for helping to improve it :)
[13:49] <themeles> ogra_ :-)
[13:52] <ncls> no idea about 3G connection sharing ?
[13:52] <ncls> I mean, turn the phone into a wifi hotspot
[13:53] <ncls> can I follow a desktop-ubuntu tutorial for this ?
[13:53] <ogra_> ncls, not implemented yet ...
[13:53] <ncls> ogra_, ok. is this planned ?
[13:53] <ogra_> ncls, indeed :)
[13:53] <ncls> cool !
[13:54] <ogra_> if you have the bq phone you can use USB tethering
[13:54] <ogra_> as an alternative
[13:54] <ncls> ogra_, oh cool
[13:54] <ncls> how does this work ? I'll try to find docs about it
[13:54] <ogra_> ncls, adb shell android-gadget-service enable rndis ...
[13:55] <ogra_> should eb all you need ... then your desktop should start scanning for an IP on your USB0 interface
[13:55] <ncls> huh, what ogra_ ?
[13:55] <ogra_> in some cases you need to disable the old connection
[13:55] <ncls> my laptop is a macbook
[13:55] <ncls> i'll get some docs
[13:56] <dobey> you need to enable developer mode and then use the android tool 'adb' as described by ogra_
[13:56] <ogra_> well, whatever your mac uses to manage the connections should recognize there is a usb0 interface it can use
[13:56] <ogra_> right, either adb or you can call the command in the terminal-app
[13:56] <ncls> dobey, ok thanks. ADB is on the computer, right ?
[13:56] <dobey> yes
[13:57] <dobey> you will probably need to install the android sdk on mac to get it, or something similar
[13:57] <ncls> dobey,
[13:57] <ncls> ok
[13:57] <dobey> if you have ubuntu in parallels or something, you can install phablet-tools to get it, and use it on ubuntu
[13:57] <ogra_> yeah, i guess just installing the terminal app and calling the command in there is easier
[13:58] <ogra_> android-gadget-service enable rndis
[13:58] <ncls> ogra_, so I don't need adb ?
[13:58] <ogra_> that switches the usb port to be a usb0 device
[13:58] <ogra_> no, you can use the terminal-app
[13:58] <dobey> oh right, you can install the Terminal app from the store on the phone
[13:58] <ogra_> to switch back you can call android-gadget-service disable rndis
[13:59] <ogra_> (conveniently tab completion works also well with that ... )
[13:59] <ncls> ah so I use the Terminal App on the phone and just launch android-gadget-service enable rndis ?
[13:59] <ogra_> i.e.: and<tap the terminal> enable rndis
[13:59] <ogra_> right
[13:59] <ncls> by the way, I was unable to use apt-get, is this normal ? I always get an error about "lock"
[14:00] <ogra_> i must admit that i dont own a mac or windows PC ... so i'm not sure if/how it will work there
[14:00] <dobey> ogra_: does the current terminal app have a "tab" button? i didn't see one last time i was looking for that to mess with ofono scripts :-/
[14:00] <ogra_> i know it works with ubuntu desktops and laptops ... tested on plenty of them :)
[14:00] <ogra_> dobey, no, you doubletap on the screen
[14:00] <dobey> ncls: yes, the phone / partition is read-only and it is not designed to work with apt
[14:01] <dobey> ogra_: oh, how intuitive :-/
[14:02] <ncls> ok
[14:02] <ncls> thank you both for your help, I'll try that
[14:02] <ncls> what is "rndis" ?
[14:04] <ncls> ok found it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNDIS
[14:04] <ogra_> the network device type the android usb gadget driver provides
[14:04] <ncls> ok
[14:05] <ncls> what are the other android gadget services ? what are they used for ?
[14:06] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, ping
[14:08] <popey> AlanBell: sorry, moved it quickly to the top section
[14:12] <ogra_> ncls, android-gadget-service was initially only written to en/disable services of the android usb gadget driver ... so originally it only has en/disable switches for adb, mtp (file transfer) and rndis ... nowadays it kind of grew a few tentacles ... like en/disable ssh
[14:13] <genii> Heh, tentacles
[14:13] <ncls> ok ogra_ thanks ! So Canonical implemented stuff from android into the OS ?
[14:13] <ncls> I mean, they adapted and packaged them ?
[14:14] <ogra_> ncls, yes, we use the android drivers inside a small lxc container ...
[14:14] <ncls> ogra_, ok cool
[14:14] <ogra_> else you wouldnt be able to make calls, use any of the sensors etc  ...
[14:15] <ncls> ogra_, you made a pretty good work ! the interface is awesome and the OS is promising. Sure it's hard to start from scratch, and it missed a lot of apps that I loved on iOS & Android, but I'm so glad you guys provided an alternative
[14:23] <ncls> ogra_, do you have a public roadmap or development blog where we can follow future devs & releases ?
[14:24] <ogra_> the landing team (sil2100) sends daily mails to the ubuntu-phone mailing list, but that is rather technical
[14:27] <ncls> ok ... if you find some time to communicate about the dev on the website, that would be really cool, keeping us with "l'eau à la bouche"
[14:28] <Cfcm> Hello
[14:29] <ncls> hi
[14:29] <ogra_> ncls, "find some time" ... thats the problem here  :)
[14:29] <ncls> hehe, yes, I can guess
[14:30] <dobey> the trouble with finding time is that you can never get to the end of the rainbow
[14:31] <sil2100> hm, a landing team blog doesn't sound like a bad idea
[14:31] <ogra_> but if you do, you get the pot full of gold !!
[14:31] <ogra_> (or just a carrot)
[14:31] <ncls> or unicorns
[14:32] <dobey> it's actually a pot of rufies
[14:32] <ncls> sil2100, yes that would be awesome, to know what's going on, what to expect, etc
[14:32] <ncls> but I understand that's an extra-work
[14:33] <ncls> so I can just ping you on IRC everyday to know what you are doing
[14:33] <ogra_> yeah, you can definitely do that :)
[14:49] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: pong
[14:51]  * ogra_ watches the ball flying over the net
[14:53] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, Where should I handle multi-sim modem selection in a call, if it's not managed internally in audio chip? (as in bq)
[14:55] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: it all depends how that actually gets set
[14:55] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: you said rild was responsible, in your case, to set the active modem
[14:55] <rsalveti> talking directly to audioflinger
[14:55] <rsalveti> (this is only an issue because dual-sim wasn't properly supported by android, allowing the vendors to do such weird hacks)
[14:56] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: do you know what are the calls that rild uses? also, do you know what they actually do at the hardware/HAL level?
[14:57] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, It calls function AudioSystem::setParameters in libmedia.
[14:58] <peat-psuwit> with ioHandle=0 and keyValuePairs="vsid=(some number);call_state=(1 or 2)
[15:00] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: iirc that goes directly to the audio HAL
[15:00] <rsalveti> do you have source code for that?
[15:01] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, For audio HAL, it comes as a blob.
[15:01] <rsalveti> right, then you could mock audioflinger (so rild can call your service), and then just forward that to the HAL
[15:01] <rsalveti> without changing our userspace
[15:02] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, I don't know how to forward that call.
[15:03] <peat-psuwit> As far as I know, audio HAL is loaded by pulseaudio.
[15:03] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: let me find the interface for you
[15:03] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: right, but you can use that in parallel with pulse
[15:05] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: https://source.android.com/devices/halref/audio_8h_source.html
[15:05] <rsalveti> there is a set_parameters call in there
[15:06] <rsalveti> you could create an android service that would mock the audioflinger calls, that then would just call the HAL directly
[15:06] <rsalveti> and set the right parameters
[15:06] <rsalveti> hopefully that shouldn't case any conflicts with pulseaudio
[15:07] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, What if AudioFlinger runs side-by-side with pulseaudio?
[15:07] <rsalveti> that would cause issues, for sure
[15:07] <rsalveti> but you can try
[15:07] <rsalveti> maybe if will just use these function calls you need
[15:09] <themeles> can i add custom stylesheets to a webapp? and how? (i'm not the hoster of the page)
[15:09] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, Well, then let me try. I'm not familiar with writing service.
[15:11] <rsalveti> you could just fork audioflinger
[15:15] <jcbjoe> whagts that
[15:16] <jcbjoe> first off how do i get my phone out of the jolla logo its stuck
[15:16] <jcbjoe> wrong place
[15:17] <jgdx> indeed :)
[15:17] <mcphail> jcbjoe: yep :)
[15:17] <popey> lulz
[15:25] <jgdx> kenvandine, want to take a look at [1]? You're third most familiar with that code, no? :) [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/apn-no-overwrite-1415495/+merge/254000
[15:31] <Se7> hello ppl
[15:31] <ogra_> hello Se7
[15:32] <Se7> someone here get ubuntu phone ??
[15:32] <Se7> hi ogra_
[15:32] <popey> I would imagine a few people do.
[15:32] <Se7> i m one of them :)
[15:32] <ogra_> awesome !
[15:33] <Se7> i notice that the bluethoot doesn t work very wel :(
[15:34] <ogra_> did you update to the latest image already ?
[15:35] <Se7> can i talk here about some think about the phone yes??
[15:35] <Se7> yes ogra_
[15:35] <Se7> and i notice another think
[15:35] <ogra_> what BT issues do you see ?
[15:35] <Se7> when i make video
[15:35] <ogra_> essentially everything audio related should work
[15:35] <Se7> i cant play them through the gallery
[15:36] <ogra_> can you play them from the video scope ?
[15:36] <Se7> yes from there yes
[15:36] <popey> someone mentioned to me that their krillin kept disconnecting from their car stereo while playing podcasts (I think with podbird)
[15:37] <popey> wondered if podbird may have been killed which might have caused it
[15:38] <ogra_> popey, yeah, zymon reported something similar with lautfm-player
[15:38] <ogra_> *szymon
[15:38] <ogra_> i suspect if you run enough apps to get a bg app OOMed and your player is that bg app it dies
[15:38] <dobey> well, or if the screen locks
[15:39] <ogra_> no
[15:39] <dobey> and the app isn't using the media player stuff
[15:39] <ogra_> not with a proper app like lautfm-player or podbird
[15:39] <Se7> in my car he cant connect to the vivavoce
[15:39] <Se7> he recognise the phone but the call doesn t work
[15:39] <Se7> and same whit a galaxy s3 cant send image to ubuphone
[15:40] <ogra_> obex support isnt there yet
[15:40] <ogra_> so file transfer is not yet expected to work
[15:40] <ogra_> will come with one of the next OTAs
[15:41] <Se7> kk
[15:41] <Elleo> popey: podbird uses media-hub so I'd guess it'd have to be media-hub that's getting killed
[15:41] <ogra_> Elleo, yeah, most likely OOMed
[15:41] <Elleo> popey: unless media-hub stops a stream when the app that called it gets killed
[15:41] <popey> HMM
[15:41] <popey> asked him to test on the way home tonight, will try and get some more debug data from him
[15:41] <ogra_> i.e. if you have the here maps up and the screen set to not suspend, it will constantly load maps ...
[15:41] <ogra_> and slowly eat your ram
[15:42] <ogra_> at some point it eats enough that the bg apps get OOM klilled
[15:44] <Elleo> didn't realise here didn't free any of its unused tiles :/
[15:44] <Elleo> I should hurry up with getting modrana ported
[15:44] <ogra_> not sure if they do or not
[15:45] <ogra_> that was just an examply of how your ram can get eaten alive :)
[15:45] <Elleo> ah, okay
[15:45] <ogra_> *example
[15:45] <ogra_> you can as well just use one of the 100 G+ apps from the store and keep scrolling
[15:45] <ogra_> at some point it consumes all your ram
[15:45] <Se7> done saved
[15:45] <ogra_> (and turns white)
[15:45] <Se7> sorry wrong tab
[15:47] <ogra_> (or the uReadit app ... if you scroll long enopugh you hit the HW limits ... not much we can do about that ... apart from blaming mhall119 perhaps :) )
[15:48] <jcbjoe> topic
[15:48] <jcbjoe> oops
[15:49] <mhall119> ogra_: hey now, I unload images and even remove components when they're off-screen, you have to scroll a *long* way to encounter resource problems
[15:50]  * mhall119 suggests ogra_ spend less time on Reddit and more time optimizing Ubuntu's resource management
[15:50] <ogra_> mhall119, long is relative :)
[15:50] <ogra_> on a krillin long isnt as long as you might think :)
[15:51] <mhall119> it's the web apps (and browser) that are the worst culprits, if I have Facebook and G+ and the browser open, it's going to kill something pretty much guaranteed
[15:51] <dadexix86> Hi, where is the SD mounted?
[15:51] <mhall119> ogra_: ok, fair enough, it has less RAM than the N4 doesn'tit
[15:51] <ogra_> dadexix86, under /media/phablet/
[15:51] <Elleo> ogra_: do you know if anyone's investigated using zram to reduce the memory constraints a bit?
[15:51] <ogra_> Elleo, yes, i investigated that before we switched it on by default :P
[15:51] <mhall119> lol
[15:51] <ogra_> like 6 months ago :)
[15:51] <Se7> how big the sd it s supported??
[15:52] <Elleo> ogra_: ah, heh didn't realise it was already being used; cool
[15:52] <ogra_> Se7, i run a 64GB one in mine .... "officially" only 32G are supported
[15:52] <dadexix86> ogra_, so I cannot save the photos to it, nor access it from the USB, right?
[15:52] <ogra_> mhall119, yeah,. a lot less
[15:53] <ogra_> dadexix86, the camera app has an option (swipe up from the bottom) ...
[15:53] <Se7> ok because my one doesn t be recognised
[15:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I wonder, if the online version of libreoffice is going to have a portable version on the phone, I wonder if the native one will to, and then I wonder how much tweeking it would need to beable to push a click package version that would fit in and work with ubuntu touch... I'm pretty excited xD
[15:53] <ogra_> dadexix86, and via MTP connection you should see the SD to drop files onto it from your PC
[15:53] <Se7> let me see  from terminal
[15:53] <ogra_> Se7, needs to be vfat formatted
[15:53] <Se7> ok ogra_ tnx
[15:54] <ogra_> there is a disk management tool on the phone you can use for that
[15:54] <ogra_> ChloeWolfieGirl, you could nag SweetShark in #ubuntu-desktop to make sure he takes care that happens ;)
[15:54] <dadexix86> ogra_, thanks, one needs to reboot the phone after putting it in to have it shown in mtp :)
[15:55] <popey> ogra_: do you know what brand of sd card you have out of interest?
[15:55] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: at SCaLE I spoke to someone from LibreOffice about a mobile version, unfortunately the Android one wouldn't be easy to port, and the desktop one would need a lot of toolkit work, so the web might be our only near-term option
[15:55] <ogra_> dadexix86, i never remove mine, not sure :)
[15:56] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119, damn...
[15:56] <dadexix86> ogra_, mine just arrived from amazon, so I plugged it in with the phone turned on and connected to the pc.
[15:56] <Se7> it s possible to add apps to the menu bar??
[15:56] <ogra_> dadexix86, you need to unlock the screen
[15:57] <ogra_> Se7, long press the icon when the app is running
[15:57] <ogra_> (in the sidebar indeed)
[15:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119, I'd be like "Lets hope the web app version is amazing" but then I imagine how much data it might take and how long it might take to load over things like 3g...
[15:57] <ogra_> popey, having a hard time to find out the brand without unpligging the card ... i'll tell you if i found it :)
[15:57] <dadexix86> ogra_, I needed a reboot to have the SD shown in nautilus, even with the screen unlocked :)
[15:58] <ogra_> dadexix86, ok, good to know ... i think mandel works on a fix for that
[15:58] <Se7> great ogra_ :)
[15:58] <dadexix86> Se7, you can also drag the icon in the position you want (in the sidebar), this will pin it
[15:58] <ogra_> Se7, you can also re-order them that way, after long-press they are movable
[15:58] <ogra_> *snap*
[15:58] <ogra_> :)
[15:59] <dadexix86> ogra_, good to know that it is a known problem :)
[15:59] <Se7> tnx guys :))
[15:59] <mhall119> Se7: enjoy your phone :)
[16:00] <Se7> tnx mhall119
[16:01] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/mtk-msdc.1/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:0007/name
[16:01] <ogra_> SD64G
[16:01] <ogra_> thanks so much ... very informative :P
[16:02] <dobey> ogra_: "sudo lshw -c disk" might be more helpful :)
[16:02] <ogra_> dobey, if we only would ship such bloat on the phone :P
[16:04] <dobey> ogra_: ls /dev/disk/by-id probably gives more info too :)
[16:04] <ogra_> mmc-SD64G_0x012fabea you mean ?
[16:05] <dobey> oh i guess not then
[16:05] <dobey> well, it's useful for my bluray player :)
[16:06] <ncls> have you guys received tickets or remarks about ubuntu phone not being recognized on mac ?
[16:06] <ncls> because mine won't show up in Finder, but it works well on windows, and I can't find anything about this in Google
[16:06] <ogra_> [    1.388324] mmc1: new ultra high speed DDR50 SDXC card at address 0007
[16:06] <ogra_> [    1.388651] mmcblk1: mmc1:0007 SD64G 58.4 GiB
[16:06] <ogra_> not much in the boot lo either
[16:07] <ogra_> *log
[16:07] <ogra_> cyphermox, doe mac users need to do anything special for MTP to work ?
[16:08] <dobey> hmm, lshw doesn't actually so anything useful for an sd card in a usb reader for me either
[16:08] <ogra_> yeah, because the reader shields it
[16:08] <ogra_> native MMC readers should theoretically give you proper info
[16:09] <dobey> yeah
 Se7, needs to be vfat formatted   how to? in gparted i don t found that :)
[16:09] <popey> never mind :)
[16:09] <popey> ncls: does OSX support MTP?
[16:09] <popey> ncls: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/106156/does-mavericks-support-mtp
[16:10] <dobey> Se7: a windows FAT32 partition, and format it
[16:10] <Se7> okok
[16:11] <mcphail> ncls: i think there is a driver linked on the bq website (or was it from the pdf manual??) for a mac driver
[16:11] <mcphail> ncls: I may be imagining that as I can't find it now
[16:12] <ncls> mcphail, ok thanks
[16:12] <ncls> popey, I didn't know about this, I'm running Yosemite but I'll try to find the driver mcphail just suggested
[16:13] <ogra_> Se7, just use the disk tool on the phone :)
[16:14] <Se7> to format the sd you mean
[16:14] <ogra_> yeah
[16:14] <Se7> kk
[16:14] <dobey> ncls: http://mac.eltima.com/sync_mac_mtp.html
[16:14] <mcphail> ncls: the manual directs you to "www.android.com/filetransfer/"
[16:15] <ncls> meh
[16:15] <ncls> it's not only about files but also usb tethering
[16:16] <mcphail> surely tethering doesn't require mtp?
[16:16] <ogra_> they are mutually exclusive on the bq
[16:16] <ogra_> the USB gadget can either do mtp or rndis (networking)
[16:16] <dobey> yeah tethering has nothing to do with mtp
[16:16] <dobey> mtp is for transfering media
[16:16] <ncls> ogra_, ok so I should see it as a network interface or so ?
[16:16] <dobey> hence "media transfer protocol"
[16:17] <dobey> ncls: it should appear the same as any android phone would with usb tethering
[16:18] <ncls> kinda newbie with all this, so I have no idea what it's supposed to look like
[16:18] <dobey> ncls: though i guess it might require a special driver to be installed for the PC to see it as an interface
[16:18] <ogra_> ncls, if you have rndis enabled it will not show you files ... if you have mtp enabled it will not show you a network device on the USB
[16:19] <dobey> ncls: once rndis is enabled, it should roughly be the same as this: http://dossy.org/2011/04/android-usb-tethering-on-mac-os-x/
[16:19] <ogra_> enabling rndis while the cable is connected should make your network connection scan for an IP the phone hands to it
[16:20] <ncls> ogra_, ok cool thanks, will try this
[16:21] <dadexix86> how do you enable tethering on the phone?
[16:21] <ogra_> android-gadget-service enable rndis
[16:21] <ogra_> (in the terminal app or via adb)
[16:22] <dadexix86> ogra_, great
[16:22] <mcphail> there isn't a status bar widget to enable tethering?
[16:23] <ncls> ogra_, doesn't work from terminal app
[16:24] <ncls> I mean, nothing seems to establish a connection, nothing shows up in network settings
[16:24] <AlanBell> works for me from terminal app, that is awesome
[16:24] <ogra_> mcphail, tethering isnt officially implemented yet (will come with proper wlan AP support and all) ... the android-gadget-service thing is a hack i implemented as interim solution since i use tethering every now and then
[16:24] <AlanBell> but needs some UI
[16:25] <ogra_> ncls, sorry to hear that ... i never tried it on a mac
[16:25] <ogra_> i know it works on windows and ubuntu PCs
[16:25] <mcphail> ogra_: thanks for doing it. I'm picking up my phone tomorrow and rely on tethering from my existing phone for internet access
[16:25] <ncls> ogra_, it's ok, I can wait for the hotspot update
[16:26] <ncls> ogra_, might need to install "HoRNDIS driver" as mentionned here : http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/configure-android-usb-tethering-mac-os-x/
[16:26] <ogra_> btw, the android-gadget-service providea a dbus interface (dbus-property-service) ... shouldnt be hard to write a QML app for this that uses the dbus backend :)
[16:26] <ogra_> ncls, aha !
[16:26] <ogra_> yeah
[16:27] <mcphail> ogra_: when I get my phone I'll make that my first project
[16:27] <ogra_> :D
[16:27] <dobey> ogra_: is that accessible by a confined app?
[16:27] <mcphail> dobey: all ogra_'s apps break the rules!
[16:30] <popey> dbarth: it's not possible to switch between multiple google email accounts with the gmail webapp, is it? Can we make that easier? Is it planned to?
[16:31] <mcphail> ogra_: just looking at your dbus-property-service package on lp. Any links to docs?
[16:31] <ogra_> dobey, sure, that is why there is a dbus interface
[16:31] <ogra_> mcphail, not really :)
[16:32] <ogra_> dobey, developer-mode uses the same interface from system-settings
[16:32] <mcphail> ogra_: i've never really understood dbus :(
[16:33] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure, i'm just setting up phonesim now to look at the pin lock bug too
[16:33] <dobey> ogra_: system-settings is unconfined; are you sure access to the dbus API isn't blocked by the apparmor profiles for confined apps? :)
[16:33] <ogra_> no, i'm not ... :)
[16:33] <kenvandine> jgdx, i haven't used phonesim in a while, for some reason the cellular panel is showing no SIM
[16:33] <kenvandine> jgdx, ideas?
[16:33] <ogra_> i just imagine it is possible
[16:34] <mcphail> ogra_: actually, looks quite simple. Didn't realise it was a shell script. Self documenting!
[16:34] <ogra_> :)
[16:34] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'll test your branch on a device too, but i could take a quick swing with phonesim since i need it anyway
[16:34]  * ogra_ prefers shell over anything ... 
[16:34] <ogra_> a kernel and busybox is all you need to write a complete OS :)
[16:35] <mcphail> ogra_: does setting one of mtp|adb|ptp|rndis disable the others?
[16:35] <ogra_> ptp,mtp and rndis are mutually exclusive iirc
[16:35] <ogra_> and ptp is only supported on certain devices ... i forgot if the krilling is among these
[16:36] <mcphail> ok
[16:36] <dobey> mtp is an extension of ptp anyway
[16:36] <mcphail> is krillin the codename for the bqphone?
[16:36] <ogra_> tell that to the gadget driver :P
[16:36] <ogra_> yeah
[16:36] <mcphail> googling for krillin is spectacularly unhelpful unless you're into anime
[16:37] <ogra_> haha
[16:37] <dobey> only one show in particular
[16:37] <mcphail> it doeesn't help therre is another character called "android"
[16:37] <dobey> that's google's fault for picking such a generic term
[16:38] <mcphail> dobey: looking at the search results i suspect they picked it on purpose
[16:38] <dobey> krillin? or android?
[16:38] <mcphail> dobey: it looks as if "android" is "krillin"'s partner
[16:40] <dbarth> popey: for google apps, all have an internal account switch feature
[16:40] <dobey> it's dragonball, everyone is everyone's partner
[16:40] <popey> ah true
[16:40]  * mcphail has no idea about that corner of popular culture
[16:40] <dbarth> popey: for example for gmail, you go into the gear menu, and from there you should see a drop down to sign in with another account
[16:40] <dbarth> popey: that's part of our test plan btw; so i know it works
[16:41] <dobey> but i'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with why google picked android as the name :)
[16:41] <dbarth> for gmail at least
[16:41] <mcphail> dobey: :)
[16:41] <dobey> dbarth, popey: does gmail webapp use the online-accounts account? or it requires signing in via web?
[16:42] <dobey> dbarth: the former i think is a general problem for webapps that use online-accounts integration
[16:42] <dbarth> dobey: it uses OA
[16:43] <dbarth> but once you're authenticated with your main account (the one that is checked by account-polld btw), then you can also switch internally to another account
[16:44] <dobey> dbarth: sure, but then you're just logging in via the browser itself, and not using the online-accounts integration
[16:44] <mcphail> ogra_: if I write a standard (contained) app, can I call the "dbus-send" command directly or do I have to go through your interface?
[16:44] <ogra_> mcphail, no, i think you will need a C++ Qt snippet to provide yo a QML interface
[16:45] <ogra_> you can surely steal that from the developer mode implementation in system-settings
[16:45] <mcphail> ogra_: yes - can do the standard qt part. Just wondering about the apparmor constraints about what I can and can't call
[16:45] <ogra_> yeah, i'm not sure about that
[16:46] <mcphail> ok - i'll experiment
[16:46] <dobey> dbarth: i think we should probably try to come up with a better solution that works with multiple online-accounts accounts, if yu've got them set up. that way pepoople won't have to log in to the same accounts N times and can just switch at will
[16:46] <dobey> one more benefit of native apps
[16:46] <dobey> whee
[16:47]  * ogra_ just dropped online accounts from the recent vivid image btw :P
[16:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, still having issues?
[16:47] <dbarth> dobey: actually mardy is implementing a bit of that, but not to support multi account right now, but improve signon scenarios
[16:47] <dobey> ogra_: so nobody can install apps on it? :P
[16:47] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/149.changes
[16:47] <ogra_> dobey, apps are overrated ... we use scopes !
[16:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, I do a ofono restart (not sure if that's necessary), and $ /usr/share/ofono/scripts/enable-modem /sim1
[16:48] <dobey> not without online accounts you don't :P
[16:48] <kenvandine> jgdx, i think i need to reboot, i can't restart any upstart services :)
[16:48] <ogra_> yeah, there is that :)
[16:48] <mardy> dbarth: well, in practice we'll have multi account support :-)
[16:48] <AlanBell> is there a recommended way to run a simple web server on the phone?
[16:48] <kenvandine> dbus errors
[16:49] <mardy> ogra_: scary, why is that?
[16:49] <ogra_> AlanBell, grab a statically built lighthttpd and run it in /home/phablet :)
[16:49] <ogra_> mardy, dont worry, thats only desktop libs
[16:49] <AlanBell> thanks ogra_
[16:49] <dbarth> mardy: at some point, but this is not a priority for now
[16:49] <mardy> ogra_: ops, right, and you were talking about touch images. All is fine then :-)
[16:49] <ogra_> yeah
[16:50] <ogra_> i just wanted to scare dobey ... but that didnt work, he shot back with facts :)
[16:50] <dobey> heh
[16:50] <kenvandine> ogra_, dobey is cool like that
[16:50] <kenvandine> bullet proof :)
[16:50] <ogra_> haha
[16:50] <ogra_> yeah
[16:51] <kenvandine> jgdx, after discovering i couldn't restart any services... i decided to do a dist-upgrade before rebooting, it's been like a week
[16:51] <kenvandine> but now i'm terrified to reboot... forgot i've seen some people complaining about failure to boot vivid desktop since the systemd change
[16:52] <ogra_> and people complain that you have to reboot more when using systemd ... obviously all lies !
[16:53] <kenvandine> oh, i wonder if the dbus error from upstart trying to restart ofono has anything to do with the systemd transition
[16:53] <ogra_> on the phone ?
[16:53] <kenvandine> desktop
[16:53] <ogra_> or on the desktop
[16:53] <ogra_> yeah, that could be
[16:53] <kenvandine> sigh... i need phonesime :)
[16:53] <kenvandine> phonesim even
[16:53] <ogra_> have some confidence in your colleagues :)
[16:54] <jgdx> I'm on vivid, haven't seen any issues like that
[16:54] <ogra_> just reboot ... pitti tested it
[16:54] <kenvandine> yeah, just saw a couple comments on g+ over the weekend
[16:54]  * kenvandine reboots
[16:54] <ogra_> well, i'm not sure phonesim was ported to systemd yet
[16:54] <jgdx> byeeee
[16:54] <ogra_> (and it kind of lives from the upstart job hackery)
[17:01] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, running AudioFlinger with pulseaudio does not work.
[17:02] <peat-psuwit> I modify mediaserver to run only AudioFlinger. setParameters is called, but there's no effect.
[17:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, a ok?
[17:02] <kenvandine> nvidia woes... just had to reconfigure
[17:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, settings still says no sim detected though
[17:03] <kenvandine> even though phonesim is running
[17:04] <kenvandine> ogra_, what's the systemd way of restarting services?
[17:04] <ogra_> systemctl | grep servicename
[17:05] <ogra_> systemctl restart <servicename>
[17:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, did you enable the sim?
[17:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, i have to uncomment those lines in the .conf file right?
[17:08] <jgdx> kenvandine, yes
[17:08] <kenvandine> yeah, that's why i wanted to do this restart now
[17:08] <kenvandine> but... never seems to finish restarting
[17:09] <jgdx> so list modems is empty?
[17:09] <kenvandine> it shows /phonesim
[17:09] <kenvandine> but no interfaces
[17:10] <kenvandine> restart is taking forever... just not returning
[17:10] <kenvandine> finally... i tried stop instead... that only took a couple minutes :)
[17:12] <jgdx> enabling the sim is not uncommenting the lines in the .conf file, btw
[17:12] <kenvandine> oh crap
[17:12] <kenvandine> i thought it was :)
[17:12] <kenvandine> so what do i need to do?
[17:12] <jgdx> you need that
[17:12]  * kenvandine is rusty
[17:12] <jgdx> but you also need to run the enable-sim script
[17:12] <kenvandine> oh, with it running?
[17:12] <jgdx> yes
[17:13] <jgdx> like urfkill does
[17:13] <kenvandine> where do i find that?
[17:13] <kenvandine> in ofono scripts?
[17:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, /usr/share/ofono/scripts/enable-modem /sim1
[17:13] <jgdx> s/sim1/phonesim
[17:13] <kenvandine> i see
[17:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, you'll also need /usr/share/ofono/scripts/online-modem /phonesim
[17:14] <kenvandine> i already tried to stop the service again... that'll take a couple minutes
[17:14]  * kenvandine wonders why it's so damn slow
[17:14] <jgdx> how do you run phonesim?
[17:15] <kenvandine> sudo systemctl start ofono-phonesim.service
[17:15] <kenvandine> using the service
[17:15]  * kenvandine misses upstart there
[17:15] <jgdx> okay, I have no experience there. I just run ofono-phonesim -p 12345 /usr/share/phonesim/default.xml
[17:16] <jgdx> that's upstart?
[17:16] <kenvandine> that's what upstart used to run, with the ofono-phonesim-autostart package
[17:16] <kenvandine> now it takes forever to start
[17:21] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, now i see the SIM but it has not tech preference UI shown
[17:22] <jgdx> kenvandine, phonesim does not support that
[17:22] <kenvandine> ok
[17:22] <kenvandine> so this is expected :)
[17:22] <jgdx> yes, the interface isn't implemented
[17:26] <kenvandine> jgdx, confirmed your branch works
[17:27] <jgdx> kenvandine, wunderbar
[17:27] <kenvandine> now to see what happens with pin locking :)
[17:28] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: right, but you're running the full server, right?
[17:28] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: were you able to see if it's setting the parameters correctly?
[17:28] <rsalveti> logcat should help showing what is going on
[17:30] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, sorry, but I just see that audioflinger isn't loaded successfully.
[17:30] <rsalveti> what is the issue?
[17:30] <peat-psuwit> logcat show one line for audioflinger: Using default 3000 mSec as standby time.
[17:31] <peat-psuwit> I guess I forget to enable audiopolicyservice
[17:31] <rsalveti> right
[17:31] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, is there anything else I need to enable?
[17:32] <rsalveti> I think just the policy service
[17:32] <rsalveti> not sure if that will interfere with anything though
[17:34] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, Let me try once more.
[17:34] <peat-psuwit> (I have to sleep soon)
[17:37] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, seems like audioflinger doesn't load "primary" hw module.
[17:37] <rsalveti> hm, that should be the audio HAL itself
[17:38] <rsalveti> weird because it seems pulse was able to see it
[17:38] <rsalveti> were you able to get pulse to work with it?
[17:38] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, Yes, pulseaudio is working.
[17:39] <peat-psuwit> Maybe pulseaudio is preventing audioflinger from opening that. But from the log, audioflinger doesn't even try.
[17:40] <rsalveti> right, it seems it couldn't even find the HAL
[17:41] <rsalveti> usually it just gets the device id and looks for the HAL
[17:41] <rsalveti> maybe something is missing in there, but just try to debug a bit more
[17:43] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, But I think nothing has instructed audioflinger to do so. Who calls loadHwModule() normally?
[17:43] <jgdx> seb128, would this need an rtm branch as well? Rtm fails to build for me with that failure.
[17:43] <jgdx> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1421607
[17:44] <luckybunny> my aquaris had a weird glitch today
[17:44] <luckybunny> it started continuously vibrating and sort of got stuck
[17:45] <luckybunny> this is the point where I'd normally take the battery out. Fortunately it became responsive and allowed me to reboot
[17:45] <jgdx> luckybunny, I think that is known. bfiller ^?
[17:45] <dobey> luckybunny: there are reports of that happening sometimes when lots of sms come in or similar
[17:45] <luckybunny> but should the same happen in future.... the battery isn't removable afaik
[17:46] <luckybunny> I had no sms
[17:46] <luckybunny> only one notification.. that it had found the SD card that's been in it since monday
[17:47] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: I think it's audioflinger itself, but would need to check
[17:47] <rsalveti> because it's the only audio hal client
[17:50] <jgdx> kenvandine, rtm mp here https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/apn-no-overwrite-1415495-rtm/+merge/254129
[17:55] <ryan_evos> mariogrip, Hey, long time no see.
[17:56] <ryan_evos> mariogrip, how's it going
[17:56] <ryan_evos> ?
[17:56] <rsalveti> mariogrip: were you able to have any progress regarding the wifi driver?
[18:00] <studio_> hi
[18:04] <studio_> ext3/4 is still not supported for external devices via usb?
[18:05] <dobey> external devices via usb are supported?
[18:05] <studio_> sure
[18:05] <studio_> lsusb
[18:07] <dobey> i don't have an otg cable so i clearly can't plug anything into my phone over usb
[18:08] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ I wasn't sure about your comment on removing hisotryClear() signal, and also I'm not sure what's the best way to expose the count property. This could work?
[18:08] <rpadovani> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/settings-page/revision/943
[18:08] <studio_> i bought one for 3 Euros and it is working fine
[18:08] <dobey> anyway, if they actually work and are handled the same as SD cards, then it was already previously explained to you that only vfat is supported for automount
[18:10] <studio_> dobey, so everything what is supported via otg is depending from the kernel and its drivers?
[18:11] <Zasplas> hi :)
[18:12] <studio_> hi
[18:12] <dobey> no there are userspace elements too
[18:12] <dobey> like udev
[18:19] <studio_> dobey, sorry, don't understand for exp. lsusb shows me Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:c517 Logitech, Inc. LX710 Cordless Desktop Laser, but keyboard and mouse are not working. but Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c012 Logitech, Inc. Mouseman Dual Optical is working?
[18:19] <dobey> studio_: what does that have to do with ext3/4 storage devices?
[18:20] <studio_> hid is also not working
[18:20] <dobey> well hid is apparently working
[18:20] <dobey> logitech unifying devices are apparently not working
[18:22] <studio_> ok
[18:23] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, mostly, yes. rowCountChanged shouldn’t take any arguments, and it should be emitted whenever a new entry is inserted, whenever entries are removed, and when all entries are cleared
[18:23] <dobey> if hid was not working, the mouseman would not work either
[18:24] <dobey> but since the e4.5 doesn't really support the convergence stuff, using it there is probably not worthwhile
[18:24] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, cool, thanks, Do I should leave it  also in the constructor?
[18:26] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, no, no need for it there
[18:26] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, and ideally, we’d need additional unit tests for this count property in tests/unittests/history-model/tst_HistoryModelTests.cpp
[18:27] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, I'll take a look, thanks for informations :-)
[18:32] <studio_> dobey, the "Mouseman Dual Optical" is an additional usb-device not a hid and it is working, but mir still got no mouse pointer ;)
[18:36] <studio_> dobey, what do you mean with "convergence stuff"?
[18:38] <dobey> studio_: it is a hid device. what do you think "hid" means?
[18:38] <studio_> human interface device, but what does "convergence stuff" means?
[18:39] <dobey> it means the work that's been going on to enable convergence
[18:40] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, added flickable and fixed (I think) rowCount(). Have to go now, I'll work on it again tomorrow morning - need to implment abstractbutton (easy) and fix encapsulation (not so difficult I think)
[18:40] <rpadovani> If you have any urgency feel free to fork it and continue the work :-)
[18:41] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, awesome, no urgency yet so I’ll leave it to you, you’re doing a great job on it
[18:42] <rpadovani> thanks :-) Have a nice evening o/
[18:42] <studio_> dobey, i really do not understand, convergence between bq and canonical?
[18:42] <popey> studio_: device convergence - same code base on phone / tablet / laptop / desktop / fridge
[18:42] <dobey> convergence as in plug in a mouse and keyboard and have them be useful
[18:42] <jose> fridges!
[18:43] <studio_> popey, thanks.
[18:43] <hoxer> Hello. Is there a way to connect an Ubuntu Touch device with Ubuntu SDK? It seems it doesn't work out of the box. I have plugged the device with a usb cable
[18:43] <dobey> hoxer: you must enable developer mode on the device first
[18:43] <hoxer> check
[18:43] <hoxer> Perhaps reboot it
[18:44] <dobey> hoxer: if you're on 14.04, you also probably need to add ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa and upgrade the sdk and tools, so it will work
[18:44] <hoxer> Ahhh thanks dobey
[18:44] <nik90> hoxer: and also ensure that the screen is unlocked (after enabling developer mode)
[18:44] <hoxer> Oh this awesomeness. My head will explode
[18:45] <popey> buy a hat
[18:47] <hoxer> and a new face
[18:57] <mariogrip> ryan_evos rsalveti: I have been sick (got the flu), so i haven't be able to do much...
[19:00] <DonkeyHotei> i've been recovering from a flu myself
[19:00] <rsalveti> mariogrip: hope you get better soon!
[19:06] <ryan_evos> Heh, ironic
[19:07] <ryan_evos> I just came down with something
[19:15] <adrian47> Is there an alternative to logcat? (it is too short) or way to make logcat buffer bigger?
[19:18] <adrian47> Eventually to save logcats output to file in maybe 10s periods? I am using now one line script inserted to rc0.d folder to get logcat on partition while powering off device
[19:25] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, Turns out that there is some problem in my audio_policy.conf
[19:26] <peat-psuwit> So, I fixed that, and Audioflinger is now running.
[19:26] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[19:27] <peat-psuwit> But calling doesn't work anyway. Parameters is passed to HAL, but voice isn't forwarded.
[19:27] <rsalveti> hm
[19:27] <rsalveti> what I did before was comparing the logcat from android and from ubuntu
[19:27] <rsalveti> to make sure that all the HAL calls were actually happening
[19:27] <rsalveti> we might be missing another device specific parameter in your case
[19:28] <rsalveti> even if not done by rild
[19:28] <adrian47> And where sdcard is mounted?
[19:28] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, Maybe that's the case.
[19:28] <rsalveti> I had cases before where audioflinger would be doing device specific things
[19:28] <peat-psuwit> Anyway, I have to go to bed now. Thank you for your help!
[19:28] <rsalveti> because on android they can fork anything
[19:29] <rsalveti> sure, np
[19:29] <rsalveti> adrian47: /media/phablet on bq
[19:29] <adrian47> rsalveti, /media/phablet/sdcard ?
[19:29] <adrian47> or whole phablet folder is sdcard?
[19:30] <rsalveti> adrian47: that depends on the sdcard name/id actually
[19:30] <rsalveti> like /media/phablet/5BCB-723C (mine)
[19:31] <rsalveti> but there is only that folder in there
[19:31] <adrian47> rsalveti, ok thanks
[19:31] <studio_> adrian47, the name from the sdcard is phablet. it is a little bit confused
[19:34] <mariogrip> rsalveti: do you have an idea why android fstab is not mounting firmware correctly?
[19:35] <studio_> adrian47, /media/phablet/<device>, sorry :(
[19:35] <rsalveti> mariogrip: my guess from the other day is that the mount command, from busybox, might not be accepting all the additional options you got in there
[19:36] <rsalveti> mariogrip: let me see if I can include the real mount in there
[19:36] <rsalveti> but one thing to help is just removing the extra options from the fstab
[19:36] <rsalveti> just to see if it gets mounted
[19:36] <adrian47> mariogrip, can i see one any line from your fstab?
[19:37] <adrian47> i see that touch script doesn't support by-num option
[19:37] <mariogrip> https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/android_device_oneplus_bacon/blob/v4.4/configs-ubuntu/fstab.bacon
[19:38] <adrian47> I am working at it too now :)
[19:38] <genii> heh blobs of bacon
[19:38] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[19:38] <Tassadar> especialy "context=..." probably won't work with ubuntu's kernel
[19:39] <brunch875> haha nice webpage
[19:39] <genii> popey: :D
[19:39] <studio_> +1
[19:40] <adrian47> :)
[19:40] <mariogrip> Tassadar: I will try to remove that
[19:41] <adrian47> I fixed mounting in my case some time ago but I am starting from scratch and i don't remember how I did that :D
[19:45] <studio_> ehm, how to edit stored contacts in the phone?
[19:45] <popey> open contact app
[19:45] <studio_> and how?
[19:46] <adrian47> I see in touch script:  [ -e ${rootmnt}/userdata/SWAP.img ] && swapon ${rootmnt}/userdata/SWAP.img
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: tap on a contact then the edit icon
[19:46] <dobey> the pencil/lines icon
[19:46] <adrian47> And it isn't setup my SWAP.img file
[19:46] <adrian47> file is ok, because mounting manually with that command works
[19:47] <studio_> dobey, i can't edit?
[19:47] <adrian47> and it should be in system partition, yes?
[19:48] <studio_> i can share and delete, but not edit?
[19:48] <dobey> studio_: i'm not questioning your personal abilities
[19:48] <popey> studio_: tap the contact, tap the little head next to the contact, tap edit
[19:49] <brunch875> studio_: swipe contact to the right
[19:49] <dobey> oh right, the head icon first
[19:49] <brunch875> bin in red will appear
[19:49] <popey> brunch875: he doesnt want to delete
[19:49] <brunch875> oh
[19:49] <brunch875> whoops!
[19:49] <rsalveti> mariogrip: remove the options and see if it helps, if that works, I can update the inird to include a proper mount binary that is not from busybox
[19:49] <dobey> popey: on the other hand, why doesn't that swipe action also show the edit icon :)
[19:49] <studio_> wipe to the right it offers delete?
[19:49] <mariogrip> IT worked!
[19:49] <popey> studio_: dont do that
[19:50] <popey> studio_: do what me and dobey said
[19:50] <dobey> studio_: tap contact, tap head icon, tap edit icon in toolbar
[19:50] <brunch875> the one which looks like a pencil
[19:50] <brunch875> that's edit
[19:50] <rsalveti> mariogrip: what worked exactly? :-)
[19:50] <mariogrip> it mounted modems
[19:51] <mariogrip> .mdt files
[19:51] <rsalveti> mariogrip: great, what did you change?
[19:51] <rsalveti> was the mount options?
[19:51] <mariogrip> yes
[19:51] <rsalveti> great
[19:51] <studio_> again, when i tab on the contact, for exp. own number, nothing happend. when i wipe to the right i cab delete ...
[19:53] <studio_> cab=can
[19:53] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-25-195254.png
[19:53] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-25-195301.png
[19:53] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-25-195308.png
[19:53] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-25-195315.png
[19:53] <popey> ^ like that
[19:53] <dobey> omfg
[19:53] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-25-195354.png
[19:53] <popey> one more :)
[19:54] <dobey> the contact name, not the number
[19:54] <dobey> the number is for making a call/sms
[19:54] <cotton> hello everyone :)
[19:57] <brunch875> I never thought I'd be using totem as my favourite music player
[19:57] <cotton> i've got a bq aquaris 4.5, and with the Ubuntu 14.10(r20) update seems there is a drop in performance am i right?
[19:57] <studio_> popey, no, when i tab on my "own number" i also can's see my own number. maybe it is depending from the addresbook-version (ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-027) i installed on my 15.04?
[19:57] <dobey> cotton: shouldn't be
[19:57] <popey> studio_: you're not explaining well what's happening
[19:57] <studio_> :(
[19:57] <popey> you're effectively saying "It doesnt work" and not saying how
[19:58] <popey> take a screenshot / photo to show us what's wrong
[19:58] <studio_> again, tab on contact nothing happend
[19:58] <popey> screenshot?
[19:59] <studio_> how?
[19:59] <studio_> where?
[19:59] <popey> press vol up and vol down together
[19:59] <popey> will create a screenshot in your Pictures folder
[20:00] <cotton> dobey: battery drains faster, web content sync slows down,... is there any place where i could see the bugs and changelog for versions? 14.10(r20)
[20:00] <brunch875> you can also connect phone to USB using developer mode. Then on PC type phablet-screenshot output.png
[20:01] <cotton> dobey: or new features that are coming? thanks
[20:01] <studio_> popey, i know how to make a screenshot with the bq e4.5 but how to show, that nothing happends, when i touch an contact?
[20:01] <popey> I want to see what's on the screen
[20:02] <dobey> cotton: that version had fixes for battery life, so if it's draining faster something else is wrong
[20:03] <dobey> studio_: you have a contact with a phone number assigned to it, yes?
[20:03] <studio_> where can i upload temporary a screenschot?
[20:03] <popey> imgur.com
[20:03] <cotton> dobey: ok dobey, where could i see that these bugs have been fixed? Could you copy a link please?
[20:04] <cotton> dobey: thanks
[20:04] <cotton> i think is called a changelog
[20:05] <popey> we don't have an easily digestible change log, the data is spread over many places
[20:05] <dobey> there's http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-rtm/ but i don't know what image matches up exactly with r20 in stable
[20:06] <cotton> dobey: thanks  :)
[20:08] <cotton> dobey: And my last question, is there any place on the web where i could see what is coming on ubuntu touch and the new versions
[20:08] <cotton> ?
[20:09] <dobey> not really
[20:09] <cotton> dobey: i mean new features, thanks
[20:09] <dobey> there may be blog posts from design team or marketing or such, or meizu might post teasers of the device or such
[20:09] <brunch875> like cc-c-cconvergence
[20:10] <brunch875> check this out
[20:10] <dobey> other than that though, you can subscribe to the ubuntu-phone mailing list, and follow the updates from the landing team
[20:10] <brunch875> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PUYoa1c9M
[20:10] <brunch875> pretty weet
[20:10] <cotton> dobey: i see, thanks alot dobey
[20:11] <cotton> and thanks brunch875
[20:11] <brunch875> ;)
[20:11] <cotton> :)
[20:13] <brunch875>  I'm assembling a team in college to create a native IRC client for this summer
[20:13] <brunch875> hopefully learns some utouch on the process
[20:17] <popey> studio_: tap the little head next to the person, on the right
[20:17] <popey> studio_: it should expand like this http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-25-195301.png
[20:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey whay do you have B&Q's phone number?
[20:18] <popey> why not
[20:19] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I mean... fair enough xD
[20:19] <dobey> b&q? or bq?
[20:20] <dobey> though i think bq probably publishes their number on their web site too :P
[20:21] <brunch875> I can't see it anywhere
[20:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl> dobey b&q on popey 's contact, I was just wondering why you'd have there number :P
[20:21] <davmor2> dobey: definitely B&Q  popey is a geek and an infernal tinkerer
[20:22] <ahayzen> lol and BBC Breakfast?
[20:22] <dobey> talk radio
[20:22] <dobey> i presume
[20:22] <dobey> or at least some morning show
[20:22] <ahayzen> its the morning tv show on BBC ONE :)
[20:23] <popey> ya
[20:23] <genii> brunch875: http://www.bq.com/gb/technical-support.html "Call us on +44 20 70 48 01 42 office hours Monday to Sunday 8:00 to 19:30"
[20:23] <ChloeWolfieGirl> and its very inportant that alan has there number when he's watching it
[20:23] <genii> brunch875: Great Britain tz
[20:23] <dobey> how else would he call in to tell them about ubuntu?
[20:24] <brunch875> ooo there it is
[20:24] <dobey> of course
[20:24] <dobey> now i'm hungry for some bbq
[20:24] <brunch875> Llámanos al
[20:24] <brunch875> 91 142 06 82
[20:24] <genii> Mmmmm ribs
[20:24] <brunch875> Horario de atención
[20:24] <brunch875> Lunes a Viernes
[20:24] <brunch875> 9:00h a 20:30h
[20:24] <brunch875> that's probably a better one
[20:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl> dobey  same, first time I saw B&Q I thought BBQ!
[20:25] <dobey> i'm sure that's why popey calls them. gotta refill the gas tank for the bbq somewhere
[20:26] <popey> (I used to work for them)
[20:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I like how this channel is just talking about popeys contact, who the contact is, why he might call said contact, and now popeys work history xD
[20:28] <studio_> popey, so, does it help?
[20:28] <popey> 20:17 < popey> studio_: tap the little head next to the person, on the right
[20:29] <popey> 20:17 < popey> studio_: it should expand like this http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-25-195301.png
[20:29] <mariogrip> Hey, ChloeWolfieGirl. are you still waiting for bacon WIFI? xP
[20:29] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Oh hey mariogrip yups xD
[20:30] <studio_> sorry, i do not unterstand that, please try the url i posted im the pm window
[20:32] <studio_> popey, "tap the little head next to the person" ... how to explain you, that this is not working?
[20:33] <ChloeWolfieGirl> studio_ when you tap the name does it show the little head? if so what happens when you tap the head?
[20:34] <studio_> n o t h i n g
[20:34] <mariogrip> ChloeWolfieGirl: sorry for working slow xP
[20:35] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mariogrip PFFFFT xD
[20:42] <studio_> maybe it is helpfull, bq E4.5 Ubuntu 15.04 (r160)
[20:45] <adrian47> Anyone knows waht can I do to restart UT into recovery? maybe some hack? My volume button will die in moment
[20:46] <studio_> adrian47, use the original MTK-Tools from bq and flash the image via mtk-tools to your device
[20:46] <studio_> hard-reset
[20:47] <dobey> studio_: i'm pretty sure adrian47 is porting to another device, and not asking about the bq
[20:47] <adrian47> studio_, i am porting it to my device
[20:47] <studio_> ah, sorry, ok
[20:47] <dobey> adrian47: "adb restart recovery" ?
[20:47] <adrian47> studio_, but thanks for trying help :)
[20:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl> adrian47,  adb bootloader  ?
[20:48] <adrian47> dobey, when i turn on developer mode or connect by adb or ssh, Ubuntu Touch freeze...
[20:49] <adrian47> and I really don't know why, debugging is hard for now
[20:49] <dobey> don't know other than doing it from bootloader then
[20:50] <adrian47> is the way to change how power off button in power menu works?
[20:50] <dobey> don't know
[20:50] <dobey> well not without changing code anyway
[20:50] <dobey> anyway, i have to go
[20:51] <dobey> later
[20:51] <studio_> btw. what about orga's 64gb sd-card for the bq-phone, is it a sandisk "48" or "95"?
[20:51] <ChloeWolfieGirl> later dobey
[20:57] <studio_> hmm, seems to be i have the latest version from "address-book-app" on my phone "0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert."
[21:01] <studio_> so, please, can someone confirm or disconfirm that it is a bug or not?
[21:03] <ChloeWolfieGirl> studio_ I'd report it as a bug if the software isn't working correctly, wether thats something you've done, or something thats just not working with 15.04 on the bq phone is beyond me though
[21:10] <adrian47> [  179.343719] mmc_can_erase: called
[21:10] <adrian47> [  179.343719] mmc_erase: mmc_erase() disabled for protection. from = 781824, nr = 512, arg = 1
[21:10] <adrian47> It's normal?
[21:11] <adrian47> I have it maaaany times in dmesg
[21:12] <Tassadar> adrian47: which phone is that?
[21:12] <adrian47> I am porting UT to HTC DHD
[21:12] <Tassadar> :D
[21:13] <Tassadar> it might have buggy emmc firmware, so some erase commands which might cause bricks might be ignored in kernel
[21:13] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I cant wait to see all the different phones people will be able to put ubuntu on, it'll be interesting!
[21:13] <Anon_38721> Hey, is bluetooth working on BQ E4.5? I've tried pairing with my (a) car handsfree kit, (b) bluetooth keyboard and (c) original Samsung Galaxy S... Nothing! Am I doing something wrong or is bluetooth not yet functional?
[21:14] <brunch875> not entirely...
[21:15] <Anon_38721> Ah okay. It seems to get as far as finding *something* - The Galaxy S it shows the correct name but the keyboard just shows '...'
[21:15] <Anon_38721> But I cannot seem to click on the entries or actually do anything.
[21:15] <robin-hero> Anon_38721: It works for me with bluetooth headphone and my computer too.
[21:15] <Anon_38721> Okay. The problem is me then :)
[21:15] <Anon_38721> I'll have another look, I must be missing something *pretty* obvious :)
[21:18] <Anon_38721> Hmm, the entries are just grayed out. Not a clue.
[21:20] <robin-hero> Is somebody know when will the new calculator app hit the store?
[21:20] <adrian47> Other question: what is init.svc.rmt_storage property? :)
[21:23] <adrian47> Hahahah:   [    5.537139] [USB] Charging with 1800mA current
[21:23] <adrian47> :D
[21:26] <Anon_38721> Also, is it me or does the browser take *ages* to render a page? It seems to download pretty quickly but then the progress bar sits still for 10s+ before displaying the page.
[21:26] <Anon_38721> Only just using the phone for the first time this evening so it's all new to me :) Not sure where to set my expectations!
[21:27] <brunch875> 10+ seconds?
[21:27] <brunch875> it has to be a poor connectivity!
[21:27] <brunch875> mine's blazing fast
[21:27] <Anon_38721> Well, I'm sat here on my laptop next to the phone and that loads the same pages instantly
[21:27] <Anon_38721> It seems to be the rendering
[21:28] <brunch875> is your laptop ubuntu?
[21:28] <Anon_38721> No- Accept my apologies :)
[21:28] <Anon_38721> Win 8.1
[21:29] <brunch875> I think the desktop ubuntu has the same web browser as the phone
[21:30] <brunch875> keep in mind you're comparing a small CPU to a big one!
[21:31] <mota_> hello; please is there any way installing skype on ubuntu touch ?
[21:31] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mota_ theres only a webapp which I don't think works
[21:32] <DonkeyHotei> there's a skype webapp? where?
[21:32] <mota_> ChloeWolfieGirl: : thanks what about skype .deb is it worthy to try ?
[21:33] <brunch875> is that one ARM compatible?
[21:33] <DonkeyHotei> ubuntu touch does not use .dev
[21:33] <DonkeyHotei> *.deb
[21:34] <mota_> so is there any voip port i can use ?
[21:35] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mota_ theres no voip app on ubuntu touch yet if thats what you mean
[21:38] <mota_> ChloeWolfieGirl: thanks a lot ...
[21:39] <Anon_38721> I'm torn 50:50. I like the idea of using a cutting edge mobile OS but at the same time I'm not sure it's quite ready for the market. To return or not to return...
[21:40] <Anon_38721> Then again, I'm sure development will be rapid with devices in hand :)
[21:40] <brunch875> why do you think it's not ready? To me, it feels much more responsive than the average android
[21:42] <Anon_38721> The scopes thing feels great. The bluetooth thing is annoying, lack of email notifications is also a bit of a shame. I'm coming from a 4 yr old (I think) Samsung Galaxy S so my expectations were low. If it could do everything that could do I'd be happy but not being able to use in the car, slow browsing, etc.
[21:42] <Anon_38721> What's good is great, but there are a few holes.
[21:42] <Anon_38721> I'm sure those holes are different for every user, which makes targetting development that bit harder still
[21:42] <mota_> ;-)
[21:43] <mota_> sudo su - is a challenge
[21:43] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, I beleive email notifications have a high rating in the Dekko launchpad bug!
[21:43] <Anon_38721> I'm amazed a production Ubuntu handset has hit the market and everybody should be so proud of the achievement. Give it another few months and it could be awesome... But I'm not sure I want to carry two devices for the moment :)
[21:43] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl: Interesting, thanks :)
[21:44] <brunch875> I moved from the galaxy S+ myself and the internet feels much faster on the BQ device
[21:44] <Anon_38721> It's little things that seem a bit restrictive. I cannot seem to change bluetooth device name for example. Is it a deal breaker? Not at all. But that sort of thing seems to be standard these days (note, though, that I never change it from the default so it cannot be that much of an issue :) )
[21:44] <mota_> ChloeWolfieGirl: There is no way to port skype-ubuntu-precise_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb to ubuntu-touch ?
[21:45] <brunch875> yeah, bluetooth is annoying. But it's enroute
[21:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mota_ IDK much about porting an app, but I'd assume if theres a arm version, if you make the device read and write, I'd assume you could run it, I mean someone got Libre Office to run on Ubuntu on a nexus 4 and 7
[21:47] <Anon_38721> The gestures are smart. Not sure how much I'll find use for 'Near by' given the stuff it's showing me is really not relevant. Having said that, it's *different* and I find that exciting.Some real potential but (for me) not quite there.
[21:47] <Anon_38721> It'd be great if I was able to contribute, alas I'm not sure I'd be much use! :)
[21:51] <Anon_38721> First launch of HERE maps: "Download the HERE app for Android" <--- That's the sort of thing I'm on about. Don't get me wrong, I''m sure it's hard to iron out *everything* but just trying to look at it from an impartial, person-on-the-street point of view.
[21:51] <Anon_38721> Also, how is voice search/control coming along? Is it on the roadmap? Indeed, is there a roadmap I could look at? Thanks!
[21:52] <brunch875> hah, you mean something like siri or cortana?
[21:53] <brunch875> I've heard they're working on something, but it's probably far away in terms of time
[21:53] <Anon_38721> Yes
[21:53] <Anon_38721> Oh, okay.
[21:53] <Anon_38721> Hmm, panning in the HERE app is not working for me either.
[21:53] <Anon_38721> Moving up/down seems to scroll instead.
[21:55] <Anon_38721> However, pathwind is epic. So you win some and you lose some:)
[21:56] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Its because its a webapp, most websites you go to seem to tell you to go to the Android app store..
[21:56] <brunch875> yeah, utouch is recognized as android
[21:56] <brunch875> I personally prefer using google maps
[21:56] <Anon_38721> Okay...
[21:56] <brunch875> but that's a matter of taste
[21:57] <Anon_38721> As a question to those involved in the development, or indeed who have closely followed the project: Do *you* see this as an end-user device? Or do you still see it as a technical preview? Do you think it's really for anybody and everybody?
[21:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> OSMTouch :3
[21:57] <Anon_38721> Where do *you* think it's being pitched?
[21:58] <brunch875> I'm not inside development, but I do see it as an end-user device
[21:58] <brunch875> mostly if you compare it to early versions of andorid/iphone/winphone
[21:59] <brunch875> especially winphone, which bricked when updated to mango
[21:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, if it had the apps I'd say its more or less ready, but since it doesn't I see it as only for the more technical/can deal with limitations.
[21:59] <brunch875> :D
[21:59] <Anon_38721> I had a Google G1 - I'm not sure if you'd consider that early or not but I think for it's time it felt more polished than this does.
[21:59] <Anon_38721> I remember being able to load Shazam and it identify a song playing on MTV and was amazed.
[21:59] <brunch875> shazam didn't come bundled with android, did it?
[22:00] <brunch875> apps take some time to develop
[22:00] <brunch875> this has just hit the market
[22:00] <Anon_38721> No, but it was available the day I got my handset, which as an end-user is all that mattered to me, same as it does now.
[22:00] <Anon_38721> The G1 was, as i understand it, the first android phone to hit the market.
[22:00] <Anon_38721> I may be wrong, though.
[22:00] <Anon_38721> I'm not sure how much development there had been prior to G1 launch, for example.
[22:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> brunch875, I'm not saying they don't, I'm just saying if ubuntu had them I'd say that ubuntu would be ready for most people
[22:01] <Anon_38721> But its the entire package that matters to the man in the street. If I gave my brother-in-law this handset and told him to use it for a day he'd fail in that task. And that's what I'm getting at... Not sure it really is end-user. As it is, I cannot help but find it charming and hope it succeeds because it's something new and I love the idea of the community effort that has gone into bringing this to fruition!
[22:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, they would fail at android 5 if they've never seen or used android at all as well
[22:03] <Anon_38721> I'm not sure it's at all helpful to *anybody* to compare this to Android 5, the latter has had much longer to develop and I'm positive most people could get by with it.
[22:03] <brunch875> I managed to move around with maps, places calls, battery lasts longs, plays music and webms...
[22:04] <brunch875> personally I'm much more happy than what I was when I got the first windows phone
[22:04] <Anon_38721> I like the defensiveness of the community, the real apparent love of the system butI think it's important to have an eye over the full picture.
[22:05] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721,  it is because if someone whos never seen or used android can't use android 5, then of cause you shouldn't expect anyone who's never seen or used ubuntu touch to beable to use ubuntu touch, it doesn't matter what version of android or what version of ubuntu, it always takes a while for someone to get used to something new/something they've never seen or used before
[22:05] <Anon_38721> Android 5 is much more ready as a use-out-of-the-box experience than this. It *will* change and I'm excited to see that happen but actively comparing it at this stage does *this* a diservice, surely?
[22:05] <brunch875> you can't compare android 5 to this stage of development
[22:05] <Anon_38721> Well I've not met a single person who cannot use Android 5 or who has been unable to do what they've needed with it. Are you that person?
[22:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, what I'm saying, is if you grab someone whos never used a phone or seen a phone before, give them a nexus 4 with android on and one with Ubuntu on, NEITHER of them will be used that day
[22:06] <brunch875> I put kitkat to my galaxy s+, I had no issue with that
[22:06] <Anon_38721> (This coming - by the way - from somebody sick of Android, my main reason for considering Ubuntu)
[22:06] <brunch875> sick of it? why?
[22:07] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl:  I disagree.
[22:07] <Anon_38721> brunch875:  Not sure. I suppose I did not feel any innovation going on. For the past few years phones were getting faster but nothing new came of it.
[22:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, but you're compairing it to people who use Android, or iOS, sure if ubuntu worked like Android, but then it'd be the same, why would we want that?
[22:07] <Anon_38721> You guys,however, are doing something new and exciting. That's great.
[22:08] <mota_> ChloeWolfieGirl: do you think quemu will work ?
[22:08] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl: I think you've missing my point. I'm not sure how else to phrase it - Android feels more polished, right? Android has more apps, right? The average person can find the tools they need to do what they want in the day with Android. I cannot with this.
[22:08] <brunch875> I have big hopes on utouch because it'll converge with the desktop and runs without the damn heavy java virtual machine
[22:08] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl:  But your right, this is pushing boundaries. I don't feel Android is.
[22:08] <brunch875> Android is much more developed, man. You're just stating the obvious
[22:08] <Anon_38721> Sure
[22:09] <brunch875> I mean, you can't just buy the first ubuntu device and expect it to have a torrenting app
[22:09] <Anon_38721> But what I'm saying is *to the man in the street* does that matter? They want to hand over dollar and get a device. That's it. Until it catches up then it will be overlooked. And while Ubuntu catches up the other devices will be further developing. I'm sure it'll be possible to bridge the gap! But like anything, it can be hard to compete with the competition, especially as the new kid on the block.
[22:10] <Anon_38721> brunch875: I appreciate that and that's why I don't think it's ready for everybody but ready for those who can work around that detail.
[22:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mota_ IDK but emulating on the devices out now wouldn't be recommended even if it did, mostly due to the low spec
[22:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, sure if you got 1 person who knew how to use both and needed to use skype, they're going to go for the android phone
[22:10] <Anon_38721> Hence my interest in whether this was being pitched as a technical preview (in which case it beats my expectations and has a lot of potential) or as an end-user device (in which case I think the competition is stronger *at this stage*)
[22:11] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl: Give me an alternative to Skype, then?
[22:11] <Anon_38721> You cannot.
[22:11] <Anon_38721> That's the issue, right? :) I'm not *blaming* I'm trying to look at it from the other view.
[22:11] <Anon_38721> If you're used to having that functionality then you expect that functionality... Even if not available in the form of the same app.
[22:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, I didn't say I could, previously I said, If Ubuntu had the apps then I'd say it was a device for everyone
[22:11] <DonkeyHotei> alternatives to skype simply do not exist
[22:11] <Anon_38721> Without that functionality you have (duh!) a less functional device :)
[22:12] <ChloeWolfieGirl> DonkeyHotei, theres plenty of VOIP that exist, none that I'd like to use much other then TOX but they exist, not on Ubuntu touch
[22:12] <DonkeyHotei> skype does not qualify as voip
[22:12] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl: And that's the point, surely? :)
[22:13] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl: Your passion is clear, however, I'll give you that :)
[22:13] <mota_> skype is voip
[22:13] <brunch875> anon, are you not liking your device?
[22:14] <mota_> until you not have coaxial
[22:14] <brunch875> you should at least be impressed by the gain of performance, no?
[22:14] <Anon_38721> brunch875: Liking? Yes, it's very nice. Met my expectations? No. But then in hindsight they were set too high, given.
[22:14] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, I was saying earlier that if ubuntu HAD the apps then it'd be aimed at the mass, but it doesn't so its not yet :P
[22:14] <DonkeyHotei> skype is its own private protocol with server-side contact lists that simply cannot be accessed without an official client
[22:15] <Anon_38721> ChloeWolfieGirl: In which case, I agree. Until then I think my phone will be going back :)
[22:15] <studio_> Anon_38721, have you ever tried the skype app from then on official store? i think it is a trojan :)
[22:15] <Anon_38721> I had hoped I'd be able to 'get by' but I'm just not sure I can *yet*.
[22:15] <Anon_38721> studio_: I've actually never used Skype (personally) on a mobile anyway :p
[22:16] <mota_> DonkeyHotei: u joking
[22:16] <DonkeyHotei> ?
[22:16] <studio_> skype is a trojan :)
[22:16] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Anon_38721, I plan to have a ubuntu phone and a back-up Android device for anything that I need, and just keep it at home for things like KIK and instagram but I can be super light weight when I want something xD
[22:17] <mota_> if it use tcp stack it is ip (proto) and voice over is only codec used
[22:17] <Anon_38721> I kind of thought that would be me :) I think if I came back in a year I'd be happy...
[22:17] <brunch875> hah, the only thing I miss from android is that cool rougelike named pixel dungeon
[22:18] <brunch875> and the email notifications
[22:18] <brunch875> but that's coming pretty soon, I'm sure of taht
[22:18] <Anon_38721> Well, lack of bluetooth support for the car handsfree kills it immediately for me. I cannot swap sims every time I jump in the car and it's not a feature I'm willing to lose.
[22:18] <Anon_38721> Bluetooth support for keyboard? Less bothered :)
[22:18] <brunch875> but man
[22:19] <ChloeWolfieGirl> brunch875, I think Popey said that it'd be pretty easy to package it up in a .click
[22:19] <brunch875> it said clear in the BQ store
[22:19] <DonkeyHotei> there is one feature i simply cannot live without, and that is t-mobile wifi calling (UMA/GAN)
[22:19] <studio_> btw. a sip-client would be nice, but it should also can handle sip-encryption!
[22:19] <brunch875> BQ alredy stated bluetooth wasn't readuy
[22:20] <Anon_38721> 'Bluetooth® 4.0, Bluetooth® 4.0 hardware compatibility (software not currently integrated).'
[22:20] <Anon_38721> I mistaken took that as BT 4.0 support was lacking
[22:20] <Anon_38721> But that older version was not.
[22:20] <Anon_38721> My mistake, I appreciate.
[22:20] <Anon_38721> I (stupidly) thought something my 7 year old car has built in and my 4 year old phone supports would be supported. But I appreciate I misunderstood the line in the specifications.
[22:22] <popey> I think we need bluez5 for that
[22:22] <popey> which should arrive in 15.04 I believe
[22:22] <brunch875> popey, will it arrive for desktop too?
[22:22] <DonkeyHotei> 15.04 is WAY past feature freeze
[22:23] <Anon_38721> So when would we expect 15.04 to hit OTA?
[22:23] <brunch875> april 2015 :D
[22:23] <DonkeyHotei> april 23 i think
[22:24] <popey> a few weeks before 15.04 is ready for the phone I think
[22:24] <Anon_38721> Hmm.. Maybe I'll try again when the Meizu hits the market ;) A chance to get excited about that one too...
[22:25]  * Anon_38721 hadn't realised how near to April we are :p
[22:25] <Anon_38721> So I guess alternatively I could but the bq back in the box and retry again in a month :)
[22:25] <DonkeyHotei> i am in possession of a quint-boot nexus5 (android 5.1, firefox os, sailfish os, ubuntu rtm, ubuntu devel) but i will likely sell it and get a samsung note 3
[22:25] <Anon_38721> put*
[22:26] <popey> the meizu device is really nice
[22:26] <studio__> Anon_3872, sorry, was disconnected. what is not working on BT?
[22:26] <popey> never thought I'd like bigger phones
[22:26] <Anon_38721> I cannot pair with my in car hands free or bluetooth keyboards. Or come, to mention it, my old Samsung Galaxy S.
[22:26] <brunch875> so you like em' bigger, huh?
[22:27] <Anon_38721> I can however, at least *see* some other device that I don't reconise at all and connect... SO bluetooth surely works to a degree!
[22:27] <popey> call me Professor Peach
[22:28] <DonkeyHotei> for 7 years my phone was a V60g, and phones never got much smaller than that
[22:29] <Anon_38721> DonkeyHotei: I loved the size of my Sony CMD-Z5 :)
[22:29] <DonkeyHotei> i don't know that model
[22:29] <Anon_38721> Though what a fool I felt at school, at the time, playing Clay Pigeon Shooting rather than Snake :P
[22:30] <brunch875> the web explorer needs to respond to CTRL-L and/or F6
[22:31] <brunch875> I hate using my mouse
[22:31] <studio__> since when is a mouse working in ubuntu touch?
[22:31] <brunch875> I meant for the desktop
[22:32] <DonkeyHotei> there is no touch for the desktop yet
[22:32] <brunch875> but there is the web browser :D
[22:32] <brunch875> did you not test it yet?
[22:32] <brunch875> it looks exactly the same
[22:33] <brunch875> I assume it's exactly the sam
[22:34] <studio__> brunch875, have you ever tried "gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Windowed" ?
[22:35] <brunch875> on the phone?
[22:35] <studio__> yes
[22:35] <brunch875> if I brick it it's your fault
[22:35] <brunch875> gimme a sec :p
[22:35] <brunch875> how to revert?
[22:35] <brunch875> before I do anything crazy
[22:35] <studio__> so switch off use "gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged"
[22:37] <studio__> that ROCKS !!!, but i need Miracast or MHL for that!
[22:37] <brunch875> no such schema
[22:37] <brunch875> did I typo?¿
[22:37] <brunch875> I think I typed it correctly
[22:38] <brunch875> No such schema 'com.canonical.Unity8'
[22:39] <studio__> hmmm, on my phone it is working.
[22:39] <brunch875> mine's vanilla BQ
[22:39] <brunch875> last update
[22:40] <Anon_38721> brunch875: Update 20?
[22:40] <Anon_38721> brunch875: Or am I missing one? :)
[22:40] <brunch875> I'll check
[22:40] <brunch875> r20, yes
[22:40] <studio__> i use 15.04 r160
[22:40] <brunch875> hah
[22:40] <brunch875> that's cheating
[22:40] <studio__> :)
[22:41] <brunch875> r160
[22:41] <brunch875> I wanna go to the bleeding edge
[22:41] <brunch875> to help with the testing
[22:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> messing with windowed mode on unity 8 is fun xD
[22:46] <brunch875> arrrgh
[22:47] <brunch875> when is unity8 hitting desktop?
[22:47] <brunch875> I can't wait
[22:47] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: using it on a touch screen?
[22:47] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119, yeah
[22:47] <mhall119> brunch875: you can try it now, but it's still early in feature development
[22:47] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: it's nice, isn't it?
[22:47]  * mhall119 wishes he had a touch-screen laptop now
[22:48] <studio__> brunch875, i you want to play, try on your own risk, ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[22:48] <brunch875> nice thanks
[22:48] <brunch875> if anything fails, fastboot will still work, right?
[22:48] <brunch875> I can just re-flash... right?
[22:49] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119, really makes me feel like convergence is just around the corner xD
[22:49] <brunch875> I'm dead-scared of ending up with a phone which can only blank-screen
[22:49] <brunch875> happened already with windows phone 7 when updating to mango
[22:49] <studio__> for me it was working and i was able to reflash android for exp. on the bq e4.5
[22:49] <brunch875> but microsoft is an etirely different story...
[22:50] <brunch875> I just want to know if I can brick my BQ to an unrecoverable point just touching the software
[22:50] <brunch875> I think I'll askubuntu!
[22:50] <studio__> i used ms xp to flash the device
[22:51] <brunch875> I need to learn more about flashing and bricking before I play
[22:51] <brunch875> I can't afford a new phone
[22:51] <studio__> 130 euro is ok for "to play" :)
[22:51] <brunch875> on the pc it's easy because if anything bad happens, you can just stick the live USB and retry
[22:51] <brunch875> I must go now
[22:51] <brunch875> my planet needs me
[22:51] <brunch875> good night!
[22:56] <Anon_38721> Is there a way to get iPlayer working? :)
[22:58] <Elleo> Anon_38721: I've vaguely been considering writing a wrapper around get_iplayer (or reimplementing it in C++), but am already massively overcommitted to other projects
[22:58] <Elleo> Anon_38721: but it'd certainly be a workable approach
[23:00] <Anon_38721> interesting :)
[23:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nigh nigh ever one
[23:04] <studio__> bye
[23:51] <mcphail> ogra_: I've been looking at your dbus PropertyService to set/unset rndis but I can't get my app to change or get status. Is this an apparmor issue?
[23:53] <jjohansen> mcphail: grep DENIED /var/log/syslog
[23:53] <jjohansen> if it is an apparmor issue, there should be denials relating to dbus in there
[23:54] <mcphail> jjohansen: yes, lots of DENIED
[23:55] <jjohansen> mcphail: can you pastebin them?
[23:55] <mcphail> jjohansen: hard to say if they are dbus related, though
[23:55] <mcphail> jjohansen: yes, 1 sec
[23:57] <mcphail> jjohansen: http://pastebin.com/3uhBBNnj
[23:57] <mcphail> for example
[23:58] <jjohansen> mcphail: none of those are dbus