[04:27] More almal [05:01] Morning everyone [05:16] morning mazal and others [05:20] Morning oom [05:20] hi amanica [05:20] Oom Kilos, I needs some help [05:20] whats wrong mazal [05:21] I have an external , in linux boot cd it mounts read-only , in my experience that happens when there is a problem with the drive [05:21] Any advice on what I can use to check and repair [05:21] Problem is , it's a NTFS drive [05:21] you mean you dont have permissions on it [05:21] chown it [05:22] Yeah , perted magic boot cd has a window that shows the drives. And it mounts it as read-only and refuse to mount normal. I always get that on faulty drives [05:22] It's NTFS , linux permissions don't apply [05:23] what happens if you plug it into your pc [05:23] Something is wrong with the drive or filesystem , but the standard tools can't find the problem [05:23] and use kde [05:23] On Win pc it works fine [05:23] Linux is mos super sensitive for problems on drives [05:24] ya , lets think a bit [05:24] Does Kubuntu have a tool that can check it , bearing in mind that it's NTFS ? [05:24] try sudo fsck -f /dev/path to external [05:25] i think it was -f [05:26] otherwise i think you have installed gnome disk utility so look at it with disks [05:26] hi captine jacques_ [05:26] Morning [05:26] the disk utility should see if there is an error [05:30] i think there are commands to run the smart thing [05:30] but dont ask me [05:33] mazal jy maak my hard dink so vroeg in die oggend man [05:33] any tools you used on unity you can use on kde too [05:41] oi now he keeps me in suspence [05:41] :) [05:41] oh jacques_ you okes and your hassles make my head spin [05:41] hehe [05:42] what's wrong now [05:42] i was thinking about win and delphin [05:42] haha that is a tough nut to crack [05:42] once william has got this stuff going, [05:43] i think one should get the hawks or someone to find who took the bribe and let that take its course [05:43] they will need to form a committee to investigate i suppose [05:43] Don't think there is a bribe but the incentive was giving all schools the IDE for free [05:44] because making test etc. for two languages is work and they don't like work [05:44] and windows? also free? [05:45] No but the Dep get MS products for a very low price, as long as they keep all products on MS operating software [05:46] ai! then we gonna need lots of heads to work this out [05:47] As soon as a school loads an operating system other than windows on state property then the school can loose all of their MS licenses. [05:47] That is a big problem [05:48] who fixes all the crashed pcs and who pays [05:48] I'll talk to the head of North West of software the next time I see him about the precise rules [05:48] cool [05:51] do any of them understand ubuntu [05:51] No.... [05:51] whew not gonna be a walk in the park [05:52] hi barrydk [05:52] Hi Kilos en almal [05:52] Morning [06:44] mornings [06:44] * jacques_ waves [06:44] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:46] mazal: sudo ntfsfix /dev/bla [06:46] please don't fsck an NTFS filesystem :-o [06:46] :) [06:46] aha ty ThatGraemeGuy [06:47] morning [06:47] hi superfly [06:51] hi fly [06:59] Thanx ThatGraemeGuy , haven't got round to do it yet [06:59] Can't get the freekin thing out of the Win box grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [07:00] lol [07:01] ^&^#$#%$ mixed environments drives me crazy [07:07] Kilos: ThatGraemeGuy: http://bin.snyman.info/mg7gv [07:07] Looks like Linux defnitely wants nothing to do with this drive [07:07] chkdsk on Windows reports no errors though [07:08] what does disks show [07:08] is it a working windows drive or a storage drive [07:09] Both windows and linux [07:09] We use this one to copy data from users pc to it before we format their pc's [07:09] ah [07:09] If os working we copy with Win [07:09] If OS broken we copy with linux boot cd [07:09] And only this week , when using the linux way , we can't access it [07:10] but it boots fine into windows? [07:10] Works fine in Win [07:10] and even on this Kubuntu box of mine [07:11] Except for those errors that ntfsfix shows [07:11] lets hear what ThatGraemeGuy says [07:11] But with linux boot cd , it refuses to mount in any other mode than read only [07:12] you sure its sdc and not sdc1? [07:12] And that specific cd only does that with drives that isn't healthy , combine that with ntfsfix errors and I think the drive is defnitely not lekker [07:12] windows doesn't usually like making filesystems on the raw disk without a partition [07:12] Must I put the 1 also ThatGraemeGuy ? [07:13] I'm used to with disk functions to not add the 1 , but let me run the command again with it [07:14] Now I get this: http://bin.snyman.info/49tbk [07:14] According to that , it's ok [07:14] hmm [07:16] mazal why you working from the cd? wont it boot into the linux system? [07:16] Kilos: It's when the useless Win OS breaks down and don't boot [07:16] Then we copy off the users data before format [07:17] And we use Parted Magic for that as it is lekka light weight and boots quick [07:17] Maybe I must boot with my Kubuntu cd and see if that can access the drive ? [07:18] im trying to understand where the prob is [07:18] its the drive you use for working on other drives [07:18] When booted with parted making , the drive mounts read-only [07:18] So I can't copy the data from internal to the external [07:18] As the external is read-only mode [07:19] And it refuses to mount with write access [07:19] wait a bit you too fast [07:19] its the drive you use for working on other drives? [07:19] Ok lets start over :P [07:19] sorry [07:19] Pc breaks down ok [07:19] your pc? [07:19] Os corrupt or just plain useless [07:19] Any users pc [07:20] wait now [07:20] ok lets start again :P [07:20] is your pc working fine still [07:20] Forget my pc [07:20] Nothing to do with my pc [07:20] oh [07:21] One of my user's pc's breaks down ok [07:21] ok [07:21] OS corrupt and don't boot ok [07:21] ok [07:21] Now you need to get the users data of there ok [07:21] ok [07:21] Docs etc. [07:21] ok [07:21] Now you needs to boot that machine with a cd so that you can copy the data off from it to an external drive ok [07:22] ok [07:22] Now , our cd of choice to boot with is parted magic. Linux based and boots lekker quick ok [07:22] ok [07:22] And can access the internal NTFS drive and have a light weight explorer to do the actual copying ok [07:23] ok [07:23] Now I boot with that cd , plug in the external hdd , and it mounts the external red-only [07:23] ok now im with you [07:23] That be the problem , I can't copy data to a drive that is mounted read-only [07:23] try a live ubuntu cd [07:23] and it only started this week , was working fine for a long time [07:24] Now , some additional information [07:24] I have seen it many times before where it mounts the internal read only when the drive is not in good order [07:24] Hence , I suspect that this external is now also not in good order anymore [07:24] Hence my asking for a tool to check it [07:25] Is oom met my nou :) [07:25] so min of meer ja [07:25] lol [07:26] have you tried repairing the faulty windows pc where it is. not on an external [07:26] Linux can be very sensitive for drives with problems on then as you yourself have seen many times [07:26] yes very [07:26] And then mounts read-only [07:26] disks should show probs [07:27] use a live ubuntu cd [07:27] then lets see [07:27] My next plan is to try booting with my Kubuntu cd and see if that works , cos on my Kubuntu pc itself the drive is fine and I have write access [07:27] maybe your parted cd is sick [07:28] I hope not [07:28] Seriously lekker tool that for drive functions [07:29] its just another download to make a new one isnt it? [07:29] but try a buntu cd first [07:29] Not anymore , it's changed to enterprise ware now [07:29] have to buy it now [07:29] ai! [07:29] It was free previously [07:29] where is the iso you downloaded to make it [07:30] Backed up somewhere [07:30] forget that all for now try a buntu cd [07:31] Will do [07:31] Don't have a pc available to boot now , will try on the next one [07:32] lol [07:39] Won't take long , between the virusses and HO's updates they are breaking at record speed [07:40] why not just run anti virus and anti malwares on them and fix them in place? [07:41] Morning [07:41] hi Squirm [07:41] Kilos: We are not allowed to remember [07:41] oh ya [07:42] get your own and use them [07:42] they wont even know [07:42] And how much is that gonna cost , protection for 300 machines , I ain't paying that [07:42] And no internet to update it also [07:42] no man i think you can get them free to download [07:43] Free stuff is rubbish [07:43] nono [07:43] Virusses flies past them [07:43] addaware and avast work [07:43] We already tried that [07:43] sjoe [07:43] There is one specific one that is very hard to detect [07:44] I have been using avast for 4 years now [07:44] Kilos: the free stuff doesn't work in big network, the proper commercial AV solutions have centralised updating and reporting and a whole lot that you wouldn't care about in a home setting [07:44] aha ty ThatGraemeGuy [07:44] avast for business is free - have centralised reporting and custom templates [07:45] Yeah , getting it updated is a nightmare [07:45] caching proxy catches the updates [07:45] how are they getting bugs with no internet [07:45] USB sticks [07:45] Biggest virus deployer there is [07:45] ai! [07:45] O.O [07:46] ai [07:46] sticks are a problem [07:46] Runns quicker than freekin nodebreakers lol [07:47] all this work [07:47] And don't forget email , just as bad [07:47] sjoe rather you than me [07:48] nah I have been impressed with avast here, in 4 years no slip-ups yet [07:48] They click on every phising scam and attachment they get [07:48] Never listen to us [07:48] >.< [07:49] ya my boet uses avast as well and he is in rotek head office [07:49] and on the business version people can't disable it so :D === jacques_ is now known as Jacques_Stry [07:50] jacques_: ja nee , is a battle here. Like I explained the other day to someone here. We have to deal with the problems and users. But we have no say in what is used on the machines. We only allowed to install what our HO gives us to install [07:51] ... [07:51] damb [07:51] Is like " It's your problem , but you are not allowed to decide how to solve it " [07:52] lol [07:52] On old version I had people who disabled the AV because it deletes all files on their stick... [07:52] Then you go like " Ok , you with the certificates longer than church street , you decide then and help us " [07:52] Then you get " No " [07:54] These clowns sit in their air-con offices and play with e-mail the whole day and never even seen one of our networks , let alone sort it out [07:54] mazal: I feel your struggle [07:54] I'm lucky cause I can run everything as I pleaes [07:54] please* [07:54] Then you go " Ok , train me and I will do it" [07:54] Then you get " No " [07:55] **end rant** [07:55] lol [07:56] hi pieter2627 [07:56] sooooo maaz , what's for lunch today ? [07:56] Maaz ek praat met jou [07:57] mazal: Excuse me? [07:57] hi Kilos [07:57] Hi pieter2627 [07:57] Maaz whats for lunch [07:57] Kilos: *blink* [07:57] ai! [07:57] Maaz what's for lunch [07:57] Kilos: Click on the day to view the bargains for the day http://www.tukkieslife.co.za/Bargains.aspx [07:57] Hi mazal [07:59] wow that tukkies link is slow [07:59] lol , is it an actual site ? [07:59] i dunno [07:59] i have no idea where maaz learned that === Webtricity is now known as Guest80517 [07:59] wb Webtricity [07:59] We are getting a KFC :) [07:59] yum [07:59] Then I will stop bothering maaz [08:00] It only took about 10 years since the first one planned it [08:01] No hang on , must be closer to 20 years [08:06] Maaz what's for lunch [08:06] Kilos: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you [08:06] lol [08:22] hello inetpro [08:23] good mornings everyone [08:23] sorry Kilos, busy here as usual [08:23] np sir [08:23] just checking you still alive [08:26] * Jacques_Stry waves at the pro [08:29] hi nlsthzn you so quiet [08:34] Jacques_Stry do you know where to find our team reports [08:34] just wanna check up if pro is slacking [08:35] neelsie knows but seems he is buried in dirty nappies [08:37] Team reports? [08:37] No idea [08:38] lol [08:38] hi magellanic [08:39] hey [08:40] hi Langjan [08:40] wat breek jy nou weer [08:41] Hi Kilos, you will make me neurotic... [08:41] lol [08:42] teasing man [08:42] Jammer ek het gisteraand sonder seremonie afgesit, was so vaak ek het ongemanierd opgetree. [08:42] No problem, I know [08:42] geen probleem [08:43] when william mails all his info to the list you might find stuff you and your recruits can help with [08:44] all to do with getting schools involved or something [08:44] Good, will look out. Wondering about the rogue laptop, the man says it was slow and hiccuppy from new, now it is only showing 1,7Gb of RAM, where is the rest going to? [08:45] eish [08:45] Its holding back on 300MB of RAM, that's 15% of its complete RAM [08:45] I'll Google around a bit, let you know if I find anything [08:46] ok [08:46] some ran gets stolen for graphics i think, but dont know how much [08:48] bah! intellij 14.1 is slow :'( [08:49] hi nuvolari [08:54] found it Jacques_Stry https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports/Current [08:54] looks like pro did it [08:55] good man [09:02] apart from all the ai! and man and links to all over he is actually a great asset here [09:04] Kilos looks like I must check bios to see how much ram is allocated to graphics, will hopefully do it tomorrow [09:04] im looking Langjan [09:05] http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-find-out-how-much-ram-is-installed-in-ubuntu [09:07] but unity 14.04 prefers 4g. my pc with only 2g also sukkels [09:36] Thks, I have Ubuntu Tweak installed, so its not a problem to see installed ram, but it only shows 1,7 out of 2 Gb. Mine runs fine on 2Gb, but this one is a bit sluggish and methinks the extra 300Mb will help, it cannot take more than 2Gb [09:37] Ek dog jy werk nie met Unity nie? [09:37] lol ek het dit op my ou pc wat baie min aangeskakel word [09:37] eintlik met 12.02 op [09:38] how many percent is 500meg of 6 gig [09:39] * pieter2627 thinks 1/12 ~ 8% [09:39] note that link says only 5.5g is available from the 6 gig installed [09:44] oh Langjan i dont know if its relevant here but i remember once having to do a swapon with unity [09:45] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/man8/swapon.8.html [09:46] i think that sped things up a bit [09:48] Thks I thought that if I cannot come right by bios I will have a look at swap [09:49] ok [09:52] That swapon page is Greek to me, where do I start? [09:53] its just a command something like sudo swapon [09:53] let me see if i can find more [09:53] `sudo swapon -a` - the a option for all [09:53] ty pieter2627 [09:54] Can use `free -m` to check if swap is on also [09:54] thks, perhaps a good idea on any machine? [09:55] Kilos: hmm.... [09:55] lol [09:55] where is the ai! [09:55] wats so snaaks jongman? [09:55] die pro [09:56] seious stuff this for old peoples [09:56] serious [09:56] yeah i know im still suffering [09:56] Kilos: you don't look at activities on trello? [09:56] * inetpro has to tell him everything? [09:56] ai! [09:57] i get som many trello mails and try follow what all is said [09:57] Kilos: isn't that why we use trello? [09:57] i even asked something there [09:57] that tlc thing, isnt it done yet? [09:58] we use trello because you like it [09:58] the question is there to see for everyone, maybe one day you will get an answer [09:58] just be patient [09:58] ai! [09:59] is it urgent? [09:59] well its months old already and i thought our site is fine [09:59] so where the tlc comes in [10:00] so maybe you should ask this question again later when other people are listening [10:00] it should be by done already [10:00] i think he is listening [10:01] but pulling a goosie on the crowd [10:01] a goosie is "im not deaf, i'm just ignoring you" [10:02] Kilos: did you notice https://trello.com/c/j6tC4RZn ? [10:02] yes for next month and this month is in the done section [10:03] well done sir, you were busy last night [10:04] there's a little link to the TeamReports right there [10:04] lol [10:04] well done [10:05] now just to finish africa site then we can move on [10:05] now get some work done please [10:05] i saw some rejected [10:06] i cant find mopkops branch [10:06] stop playing games there, start working [10:06] ai! [10:06] :-) [10:06] i also have the loco peeps to bring over to our side [10:07] i need an explanation on bzr and nicola too please === Guest80517 is now known as Webtricity [10:08] once the site is actually up, maintenance will be minimal wont it [10:08] wb Webtricity [10:08] Kilos: obviously [10:08] or rather, that is the idea [10:08] its just a site with some links [10:09] no one can actually do anything to the sites [10:09] right or wrong [10:09] unless you have some other ideas, which I have tried to extract from you over the last month+ [10:09] forget obviously that an addon to why where hoe etc [10:10] ai! [10:11] i see you smirking [10:12] ta Kilos [12:40] Has anyone here tried their hand at creating an app using the SDK? [12:44] rings a bell pieter2627 i think someone spoke about it. just be patient, someone will get a chnce now now [12:45] Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless [12:51] ai! [12:53] just yesterday someone gave me the link to our lanchpad members [12:57] yay for once i found it [13:00] now i cant put a name to cantide [13:03] inetpro so cheeky [13:03] Kilos: uh? [13:04] unless you have some other ideas, which I have tried to extract from you over the last month+ [13:04] you the one with ideas man i follow [13:04] Kilos: you started the project [13:04] you the one who wants a website [13:05] not before someone jammed the idea in my head [13:05] ai! [13:05] hehe [13:05] anyway that remark was irrelevantto my query [13:06] now tell me who cantide was please [13:06] found him some buntu peeps in korea that need guidance [14:16] hi kulelu88 [14:16] anybody else without lights now? apparently stage 2 loadshedding [14:16] ai! again [14:21] do you people not follow any news sources, you always seem so surprised by load shedding [14:23] no we hope the saying no news is good news proves true [14:23] my power still on [14:26] wb Jacques_StrY you home now [14:26] yea :) [14:26] lekker [14:40] Jacques_StrY you been using buntu for a long time [14:40] bout 18 months now [14:41] i been wanting to ask, how come you came here so recently only [14:41] so not long [14:41] how did you find us [14:42] well after trying linux I jumped in head first and was learning allot [14:42] and a guy I follow on google plus shared an article on your new website [14:42] aha [14:43] think is was danie van der merwe? [14:43]