[01:01] <pleia2> and reminded the social media-verse about stickers re: beta
[01:06] <knome> mm
[01:06] <knome> hai pl
[01:06] <knome> pleia2 too
[01:06] <knome> tabfail
[01:46] <Pwnna> can anyon reproduce this?
[01:46] <Pwnna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1436130
[07:46] <elfy> morning
[07:47] <elfy> image installing properly now - but you can't remove media once finished bug 1432285
[08:00] <Unit193> Oh, that's awesome for another reason, now I can file bugs against it, since I have an account and all.  Of course, there's still the fact I don't use it, but alas.
[08:05] <elfy> file bugs against what?
[08:06] <Unit193> xfdashy, it moved from github to Xfce's infra, so it's in their git and bugzilla. \o/
[08:06] <elfy> oic
[08:10] <elfy> forgot I had that here - don't use it either
[08:11] <Unit193> I got one for a bug ochosi convinced me to file, still hasn't been fixed.  Only opened in 2013 so young in terms of Xfce.
[08:12] <elfy> :)
[08:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hrm, how about moving daily builds to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa to clear staging out for, well, staging?
[10:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, probably a good idea for most of the daily builds we have in there
[10:44] <bluesabre> feel free to do the honors :)
[10:45] <bluesabre> brainvvash: I'll take a crack at the bug this evening to see if I figure anything out
[16:13] <flexiondotorg> Hello guys.
[16:13] <flexiondotorg> Just wondering how your testing is going?
[16:13] <knome> flexiondotorg, please ask on #ubuntu-quality and see the tracker results
[16:15] <flexiondotorg> knome, OK. I'll go then. Was just interested to have a chat with the guys here to see if there is anything common in our testing.
[16:15] <knome> we try to keep the common stuff to the quality channel for the benefit of everybody
[16:17] <ochosi> flexiondotorg: haven't gotten round to testing at all, too much work atm :/
[16:18] <ochosi> what i heard was mixed
[16:18] <ochosi> but as knome said, the tracker should bear some insights
[16:18]  * flexiondotorg wants to acknowledge ochosi but is scared off by knome 
[16:19] <knome> flexiondotorg, no need to be scared of me... i won't bite you
[16:19] <knome> ...or if i do, it won't hurt
[16:19] <knome> except maybe a little
[16:19] <drc> You do know that "knome" is Finnish for "big fuzzy cudly teddy=bear", right?
[16:35] <Unit193> Hah.
[16:38] <slickymasterWork> odd, always thought that knome was Finnish to polar bear
[16:58] <elfy> anyone any idea why we don't test encrypted installs? 
[16:59] <elfy> also anyone any idea why we don't test installs from the livesession? 
[17:02] <Unit193> I think the general idea was something about Mainbuntu testing the first, and since it doesn't really have anything to do with DEs.  Or, just lower manpower so they get ignored.  We/I used to cycle which one is picked.  Don't test the live session?  If we're supposed to do it from the install screen with no DE, I've always done them wrong.
[17:03] <elfy> lol
[17:03] <elfy> install's are from the Install option at the second menu (one we had black background)
[17:04] <elfy> and I can understand the why not encrypt - just thought I'd ask
[17:04] <elfy> the only issue being that while Main tests it - they don't care about milestone till Final Beta
[17:05] <Unit193> Well, that core upgrade task I used encryption, because making it as hard for myself is awesome.  Found the bug where you couldn't enter your pass on the splash screen. :D
[17:06] <elfy> :)
[17:07] <elfy> failing install testcases because install media eject fail
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I've marked two as failed also, elfy 
[17:08] <elfy> yep saw
[17:08] <elfy> just sorting some sticks out to test on h/w
[17:09] <elfy> jjfrv8: you passed 64bit entire disk on h/w - did it ask to eject media? 
[17:11] <drc> Yesterday's daily did not, haven't tried today's.
[17:11] <elfy> afaik it should fail to do that 
[17:11] <drc> Tomorrow is Final Beta, no?
[17:12] <elfy> tomorrow is final beta release to the world - today is testing it 
[17:18] <drc> So, today's (really yesterday's, Date/Time stamp = 23.54) daily is Final Beta...unless things go really wrong?
[17:22] <elfy> drc: notwithstanding any rebuilds - there's been one already and I'm expecting another
[17:23] <elfy> I expect that one to be not released drc 
[17:24] <drc> OK, I'll just wait for Final Beta tomorrow :)
[17:25] <elfy> :)
[17:26] <drc> or maybe 16.04 :)
[17:26] <elfy> lol
[18:09] <ochosi> elfy: the media-eject problem is global though, right?
[18:10] <elfy> yep 
[18:10] <elfy> ochosi: you'll be pleased to know that afaik there are no Xubuntu issues that'll cause fails or rebuilds this time :)
[18:10] <ochosi> indeed, that's great :)
[18:10] <elfy> I know I am;)
[18:10] <ochosi> go team!
[18:11] <ochosi> as soon as i finish my work tonight i'll try to sync b2 and do a test
[18:11] <elfy> I've done some vm and a h/w test 
[18:11] <ochosi> unfortunately i have a really busy week until tomorrow
[18:11] <ochosi> stupid deadlines
[18:11] <elfy> ochosi: not sure there's much point tbh 
[18:12] <elfy> you can look - but it's possible we'll see rebvuild anyway 
[18:13] <elfy> that said - maybe a look to make sure there are no elliptical circles - I'd not see those :)
[18:15] <ochosi> oh ok
[18:15] <ochosi> hehe
[18:15] <ochosi> sure
[18:15] <ochosi> those are what i'm after primarily ;)
[19:04] <elfy> ochosi: just got an update to gmb - crash on quit with SIGSEGV in g_signal_emit_valist()
[19:05] <ochosi> oh ok?
[19:05] <ochosi> you mean a new crash?
[19:05] <elfy> seems so
[19:06] <elfy> and why does this thing randomly play tracks from random albums as default 
[19:06] <ochosi> hm, maybe we've had that issue / discussion before
[19:06] <ochosi> tbh i dunno right off the top of my head
[19:07] <ochosi> i wouldn't mind actively searching for alternatives, but so far no apparent ones have come to mind
[19:09] <elfy> brainwash reported that in december
[19:10] <elfy> no good asking me for an alternative 
[19:11] <Unit193> clementine.
[19:11] <ochosi> Unit193: again with the qt?
[19:12] <elfy> Unit193: :p
[19:12] <Unit193> ochosi: That'd be elfy's choice. :P
[19:12] <ochosi> yeah yeah, heard that one over and over by him :)
[19:12] <Unit193> Nightingale is the one that's installed (though yes, not used.)
[19:19] <elfy> ochosi: indeed :p hence it'sno good asking me ... 
[19:22] <Unit193> https://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/linux-open-source-audio-players - http://www.slant.co/topics/2016/~what-are-the-best-music-players-for-linux - http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/AudioPlayer
[19:25]  * elfy goes looking for a new name to him
[19:25] <ochosi> wat, 2016??
[19:27] <ochosi> maybe quodlibet would deserve another look
[19:27] <ochosi> anyway, i'll think about this again when we're starting our engines for 15.10
[19:30] <elfy> ha - found one :p
[19:39] <ochosi> hm, it's actually quite good (first impression)
[19:39] <ochosi> quite complex though, shitload of plugins
[19:39] <elfy> quodlibet? 
[19:39] <ochosi> yup
[19:40] <elfy> I'm happy enough to look at it in anger 
[19:41] <ochosi> as long as you don't look back in anger ;)
[19:41] <elfy> oh I never do that nowadays :p
[19:48] <ochosi> the UI takes a bit of getting used to
[19:49] <ochosi> the play togglebutton is a bit cumbersome
[19:49] <ochosi> and the hidden progress-scale during playback too
[19:50] <elfy> still scanning ... 
[19:52] <elfy> mmm 
[19:53] <elfy> ignores xpsf playlists
[19:56] <Unit193> elfy: Moved the daily builds out of staging, that way they won't conflict and it should be more clear which is being tested.
[19:57] <elfy> into? 
[19:58] <elfy> Unit193: ^^ 
[19:58] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages daily builds.
[19:59] <elfy> ok - ta
[19:59] <elfy> and I guess I should grab that one - then I'd be in the same state as before
[20:00] <elfy> ochosi: I'll see how I get on with it on a day when music on for 16 hours 
[20:00] <Unit193> OK, just keeping you up to date.  Staging is now as the title says, stuff staged to go into Xubuntu.
[20:01] <elfy> Unit193: yep - makes sense 
[20:01] <elfy> but the shimmer daily stuff staying put I assume
[20:02] <Unit193> Yeah, https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily is already a PPA.
[20:02] <Unit193> s/PPA/daily/
[20:03] <elfy> yep
[20:03] <elfy> so - only xfpm in daily ? 
[20:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: Disabled the daily xfpm for utopic and trusty, upower stuff.
[20:11] <Unit193> (As you can see, also fixed the build.)
[20:22] <elfy> oh 
[20:23] <elfy> now I'm back and refreshed I can see I should grab that ppa too :D
[20:28] <elfy> ok, I assume that I'm now up to date
[20:55] <elfy> looking like the eject issue will stay - so carry on testing or not as the case maybe
[20:55] <elfy> as it stands I'm happy enough as long as ochosi doesn't find elliptical circles and he's happy
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah, need a few more mins until i can get down to testing
[20:56] <elfy> I should be able to get a few in tomorrow early afternoon on hardware
[20:58] <elfy> and there could be rebuilds yet ... 
[20:58] <elfy> I'll worry about it tomorrow if I see 'rebuilding' :)
[22:20] <gnumbknuts> Unit193: Hi, you may remember me talking the other day about GMB on #xubuntu, and I read now on this channel that you are discussing alternative audio player. Well I removed GMB and then installed Decibel http://decibel.silent-blade.org/ . You may want to consider this player for inclusion into Xubuntu ? It is very light-weight, the lastest version 1.08 can even play .wav (PCM) files, which suits me fine.
[22:21] <Unit193> !info decibel vivid
[22:21] <Unit193> !info decibel-audio-player vivid
[22:21] <Unit193> Depends: python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~), python-gtk2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-glade2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-mutagen (>= 1.10), python-gst0.10 (>= 0.10), python-dbus, gstreamer0.10-plugins-base, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
[22:21] <knome> latest release on 2011
[22:22] <Unit193> It's not up to me.
[22:23] <knome> (only, at least)
[22:23] <gnumbknuts> 1.08 is not in the Ubuntu repos, but I installed from the source. it has a few bugs but works fine
[22:23] <knome> but 1.08 is from 2011, it's 4 years old.
[22:23] <knome> that doesn't promise a lot.
[22:24] <drc> and still has bugs?
[22:24] <knome> likely.
[22:24] <genii> Yes, that's not encouraging
[22:26] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/decibel-audio-player
[22:26] <knome> 50 open bugs
[22:26] <knome> and 4 for the ubuntu package
[22:33] <gnumbknuts> Wow! I didn't realise it had so many bugs. Then perhaps it is not a good idea :(
[22:54] <drc> What brought about the search for a replacement for GMB?
[22:54] <ochosi> gnumbknuts: if it were *that* easy we might have found an alternative already
[22:55] <ochosi> drc: just some issues, mostly a bug in 15.04 that makes it crash frequently upon closing it
[22:55] <drc> bummer :) (yes, I've never been a fan of GMB :)
[22:55] <nerdistmonk> <<loves smplayer
[22:56] <ochosi> also, seems like default apps (like music players) are highly contested/controversial subjects, almost every cycle ppl complain about *something*
[22:56] <ali1234> gmb is pretty bad though
[22:56] <drc> But the dev can't so anything (iirc, he's always been very cooperative?)
[22:56] <gnumbknuts> drc: I needed a player that could play .wav(PCM) format, as much of my audio library was ripped from vinyl.
[22:56] <ali1234> how can i make it sort tracks by album and then track number by default?
[22:56] <ochosi> drc: i think he's looking at it, haven't had time to follow up
[22:57] <ochosi> anyway, i'm out
[22:57] <ochosi> night everyone
[22:57]  * drc really soesn't care what the defaults are, he'll just replace them with Exaile and Smplayer.
[23:03]  * bluesabre is grateful to Unit193
[23:04] <gnumbknuts> One dislike I have about most audio-players (Windows included),  is the way in which they try or organise  the library. All I want is for the browser to show me exactly the same taxonomic layout as I have sorted the file on the HDD.
[23:06] <knome> gnumbknuts, this is not the channel to discuss that though
[23:06] <ali1234> decibel does not appear to support mpris, which means it won't work with the sound indicator
[23:07] <gnumbknuts> knome: Yes you are right , sorry, I shall refrain.
[23:07] <ali1234> wait, it does support it
[23:08] <knome> ali1234, but it's pretty bad though *grins*
[23:08] <ali1234> it *looks* better than gmb in screen shots
[23:08] <knome> i disagree.
[23:09] <ali1234> gmb could almost be a KDE app it's that badly laid out
[23:09] <knome> ali1234, ok, you can stop now.
[23:20] <ali1234> seriously though, the reason why i complain so much is because of dev who constantly claim that nobody ever complained about their software before
[23:20] <ali1234> "everyone else thinks it is fine"
[23:20] <ali1234> so i complain loud and often in order to prevent that weak excuse
[23:21] <knome> but your complaints are in the wrong channel.
[23:21] <ali1234> no point complaining where there's no developers
[23:21] <knome> nobody here is the gmb developer
[23:22] <ali1234> but everybody here chooses the default applications
[23:22] <knome> does that imply they think there is nothing wrong with them?
[23:22] <ali1234> no, it does imply they think that the defaults are the best available though
[23:23] <knome> but they've said they aren't
[23:23] <knome> and that they are open for all suggestiong
[23:23] <ali1234> suggestions don't work, everyone will suggest something different
[23:23] <knome> that doesn't mean they want to hear how much wrong somebody else thinks there is wrong with gmb
[23:23] <knome> so whining about the current default does?
[23:23] <ali1234> i vote for whatever is the second most popular choice after gmb
[23:24] <knome> your concern is heard.
[23:24] <Unit193> There has been major complaints in the past against gmb, first chance to actually get rid otf it. :D
[23:24] <knome> Unit193, not really the first chance
[23:25] <knome> Unit193, it has been discussed before
[23:25] <knome> but nobody who supports the alternatives has ever been willing to do a real application comparison
[23:25] <knome> and explain why X is better than gmb
[23:25] <Unit193> Heh, right...
[23:25] <knome> simply mocking gmb doesn't count as arguments.
[23:26] <genii> There's criticism, and then there's constructive ctiticism.
[23:26] <genii> meh typos
[23:26] <drc> OK, just for the sake of argument (in the purest sense), what are the criteria the -team is looking for in an audio player?  Serious question, I don't know.
[23:27] <knome> drc, it's been laid out before...
[23:27] <drc> ok, where can I look?
[23:27] <knome> drc, will you propose an audio player and do a thorough comparison?
[23:27] <knome> or are you just making me dig up the link once again?
[23:28] <ali1234> is there a list of features that any candidate must have?
[23:28] <knome> ali1234, will you propose an audio player and do a thorough comparison?
[23:28] <ali1234> at least then we could rule out a few
[23:29] <ali1234> what basis should i compare them on?
[23:30] <knome> ali1234, the required features are in a wikipage and they have also been posted on the development mailing list several times
[23:33] <drc> knome: This is the latest I can find on the wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/DefaultMediaPlayer
[23:33] <drc> is it still valid?
[23:33] <knome> yes
[23:33] <drc> Thank you.
[23:34] <ali1234> mpris support should be on that list
[23:34] <knome> ali1234, feel free to set up a new wikipage for W
[23:38] <ali1234> that doesn't seem to be possible yet
[23:38] <knome> just create a page that follows the template and you are fine. you can replace the codename with W for now