[05:29] <pitti> Good morning
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:05] <seb128> hey didrocks & desktopers
[07:26] <pitti> bonjour didrocks et seb128 !
[07:26] <seb128> hey pitti, wb!
[07:26] <seb128> did you have good holidays?
[07:27] <pitti> they were marvellous, thanks!
[07:27] <pitti> I'll sort through our ~ 300 photos on the weekend and post a blog
[07:27] <pitti> we've seen looots of amazing northern lights, plus the solar eclipse, a husky ride, a snowmobile tour, and lots more
[07:28] <larsu> welcome back pitti!
[07:28] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[07:28] <larsu> gut danke!
[07:28]  * larsu wants to see northern lights as well :)
[07:29] <larsu> where were you?
[07:29] <happyaron> hey didrocks seb128 pitti larsu, :)
[07:29] <larsu> hi happyaron!
[07:29] <didrocks> oh, it's pitti! 300 photos, waow! :)
[07:29] <didrocks> hey happyaron :)
[07:29] <didrocks> sounds like you had fun, nice!
[07:30] <seb128> pitti, sounds like excellent holidays indeed ;-)
[07:30] <seb128> hey happyaron
[07:30] <pitti> didrocks: many thanks for your help with systemd!
[07:31] <didrocks> pitti: you're welcome, you saw I guess everything wasn't as straight as we hoped, I'm happy to catchup with you when you are ready (just give me half an hour first to finish morning catchup)
[07:32] <didrocks> I have some git-format-patch for you
[07:36] <pitti> didrocks: oh? I'm  just integrating a couple of your patches into experimental
[07:37] <didrocks> pitti: I have them for the ubuntu branch only, smooser's uploads, and then, mind
[07:37] <didrocks> pitti: let me forward already the first 2 ones
[07:37] <pitti> didrocks: ah, I already updated the ubuntu branch from the LP diffs this morning
[07:37] <didrocks> ah ok :)
[07:38] <pitti> didrocks: the ubuntu7 upload is terrible, the rest looks fine
[07:38] <didrocks> pitti: see the bug reports and my advice to wait for you for anyone who wanted to touch networking :p
[07:38] <didrocks> at least, that's how we discovered the upstart booting issue
[07:39] <didrocks> but let's talk about it in 20 minutes
[08:02] <didrocks> pitti: ok, done. FYI, I've also posted a patch on the tmp.mount issue
[08:03] <didrocks> (should be attached to the debian bug report)
[08:10] <pitti> didrocks: right, I saw; looks like mbiebl didn't do any commits/upload, I guess he was busy with his HD crash?
[08:12] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, he was planning to do an upload last week-end with that patch and others things, but I guess the HD crash prevented him to do it
[08:12] <pitti> the ubuntu branch is up to date with the archive, we just need to revert ubuntu7 and move it to open-iscsi (bug 1432829)
[08:12] <pitti> didrocks: and I committed some parts from the ubuntu uploads to exp
[08:13] <didrocks> pitti: in case you didn't notice yet, I needed to do a small change to autopkgtest for the upstart-sysv transition (and unblock our lovely touch users :))
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: do you have any other patches to push?
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: I did, thanks! (also already committed to git)
[08:13] <didrocks> pitti: nice! I tried to answer as much as possible on systemd and systemd-boot bugs, didn't touch anything network-related though
[08:14] <pitti> didrocks: otherwise I'll just dig through my giant pile of mails and bugs :)
[08:14] <didrocks> subscribed you to a couple of bugs I guess your attention is needed:p
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I think it's the best to be done at this point! I couldn't get vorlon commenting on the statd/nfs issue, so this one is still stalled
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: otherwise, we should be good :)
[08:29] <willcooke> morning all
[08:29] <willcooke> hey TheMuso
[08:30] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[08:31] <seb128> hey willcooke TheMuso
[08:33] <didrocks> hey willcooke, TheMuso
[08:33] <pitti> didrocks: oh, seems Lennart is back from his vac, too?
[08:34] <didrocks> pitti: well, I thought it was the case last Sunday when he started to answer to some thread, but maybe this one is for good :) I'll let him reviewing some patches and repoke on the stalled review
[08:56] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, according to lwn I had more commits on libreoffice upstream than all of OpenOffice in the last year.
[08:58] <Sweet5hark> ... and development upstream is just a sideshow. i have other things to do as well ...
[08:58] <didrocks> hum, my lwn canonical subscription seems to have ended, not sure why?
[08:59] <larsu> Sweet5hark: that's either good for you or bad for lo
[08:59] <willcooke> g'night TheMuso
[08:59] <willcooke> hi happyaron
[09:00] <happyaron> willcooke: hey
[09:01] <Sweet5hark> larsu: no, its bad for _OpenOffice_. That article compares LO vs AOO.
[09:02] <larsu> Sweet5hark: oh sorry I misread! /me should pay more attention
[09:02] <larsu> Sweet5hark: that's good for libreoffice and you then. And bad for oo, but meh
[09:04] <Sweet5hark> larsu: FWIW, I still moved Canonical to the top 3 corporate contributor in the last year singlehandedly (after Collabora and Red Hat) with 1.9% of changesets.
[09:06] <Sweet5hark> larsu: that might sound bad, but LibreOffice has a really long tail of contributing companies/individuals (aka community): 23.2% of commits are authored by "Unknown" -- that is: not depending on one big supporter.
[09:06] <larsu> Sweet5hark: oh wow I didn't know that
[09:06] <larsu> that's pretty cool
[09:57] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, the issue I showed you in Brussels about gedit having a pixelized/low res icon in alt-tab is still there and it's also on a fresh vivid installation, you are still not getting it?
[10:18] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, no
[10:18] <seb128> Trevinho, do you have a local icon or something?
[10:21] <Trevinho> I don't thinkso
[10:22] <seb128> Trevinho, hum, can you try in a guest session?
[10:23] <Trevinho> ok
[10:23] <seb128> thanks
[10:33] <Trevinho> seb128: ooh, right I've that now
[10:34] <seb128> Trevinho, ah!
[10:34] <Trevinho> same is for totem...
[10:34] <seb128> Trevinho, where would report that issue?
[10:35] <seb128> indeed
[10:35] <Trevinho> Mh, the bug seems to be related to unity, altough it's weird as the launcher works well and they uses the same icon source
[10:37] <Trevinho> ok,l I also see it when changing the launcher icon size...
[10:39] <Trevinho> seb128: in terms of icons nothing changed in vivid, right?
[10:43] <Trevinho> seb128: what I've noticed that compared to gnome-terminal, gedit has not the 64 and 128 icons, but this shouldn't matter
[10:45] <seb128> Trevinho, I don't think icon theme changed
[10:45] <seb128> but gtk did
[10:45] <seb128> remember the issues you fixed with larsu in Brussels?
[10:47] <larsu> Trevinho: the launcher doesn't work for evolution, for example
[10:47] <larsu> there were some changes in gtk related to the icons it returns
[10:47] <Trevinho> larsu: yeah, there are a subset of gnome apps that have problemns
[10:48] <larsu> I think because it violated the spec before, and doesn't anymore
[10:48] <Trevinho> but I don't see differences on what the theme has for them
[10:48] <larsu> which function are you using to load icons?
[10:50] <Trevinho> larsu: this is the code doing it http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10683187/
[10:56] <larsu> Trevinho: and you pass 256 for the icon size?
[10:57] <Trevinho> larsu: that depends on the icon size defined in settings (for the launcher) or 256 (if not scaled) for switcher
[11:00] <Trevinho> larsu: that's done during rendering, we call TextureForSize depending on the needed size... and that changes dpending on scaling, options or state
[11:02] <ricotz> there is also gtk_icon_theme_lookup_icon_for_scale to fit hidpi case
[11:02] <Trevinho> ricotz: mh, well yeah, but we're having the issue event with no scaling at all
[11:05] <ricotz> Trevinho, ok, then I don't recall having a similar issue
[11:06] <larsu> Trevinho: gtk returns a 48×48 icon for 'accessories-text-editor', but larger ones for firefox, gnome-terminal, and devhelp
[11:06] <larsu> Trevinho: I'm guessing we just need larger icons for those?
[11:06] <Trevinho> larsu: I've tried adding 64 and 128 icons but I've noticed any change
[11:07] <Trevinho> and updated gtk cache, but let me check again
[11:09] <larsu> hm, humanity's apps/48 is defined as scalable
[11:10]  * Trevinho confirms no change, by adding 64/128 icons
[11:12] <larsu> Trevinho: I must disagree. Adding MaxSize=256 to Humanity/index.theme (in the apps/48 section) makes gtk give me icons in the requested size
[11:12] <larsu> maybe there's some caching going on in unity?
[11:13] <Trevinho> larsu: ah, ok. that's what you changed... I was just adding icons in the proper size folders :)
[11:14] <larsu> Trevinho: I think that doesn't work until you add those folders to index.theme
[11:14]  * larsu is reading icon theme spec :(
[11:18] <Trevinho> larsu: mh, adding MaxSize doesn't change unity behavior here btw
[11:20] <larsu> Trevinho: are you sure you're regenerating the cache? It works for me
[11:20] <larsu> Trevinho: after restarting gedit
[11:20] <Trevinho> larsu: with unity?
[11:21] <Trevinho> larsu: and I've been calling gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0 ...
[11:22] <larsu> Trevinho: `sudo gtk-update-icon-cache Humanity`
[11:22] <Trevinho> yeah...
[11:22] <larsu> weird!
[11:22] <Trevinho> ok, I didn't use the proper path
[11:22] <Trevinho> now it's fine
[11:23] <larsu> yay :)
[11:23] <Trevinho> so, should we fix humanity by adding new icons or using MaxSize?
[11:23] <larsu> maxsize
[11:23] <larsu> I'll propose a fix in a bit
[11:23]  * larsu tries to find other offenders as well
[11:24] <larsu> Trevinho: thanks for helping!
[11:24] <Trevinho> larsu: thank you
[11:24] <Trevinho> larsu: I've not read the full specs, but couldn't maxsize applied to 48 make the theme to pick a 256 icon (or anyway greater than 48) if available?
[11:25] <Trevinho> not to pick...
[11:25] <Trevinho> not to pick...
[11:25] <Trevinho> not to pick...
[11:26] <larsu> Trevinho: it could, but the spec is stupid. It says MaxSize defaults to Size if it is not given
[11:26] <larsu> I think gtk devs (mclasen I believe) decided to go with the spec even though it's dumb in this regard, because not following it created other issues
[11:28] <Trevinho> ok, I see...
[12:29] <bregma> is there a PPA with GTK+-3.16 for testing on Ubuntu anywhere?
[12:32] <didrocks> bregma: seems the more recent is 3.15.12 is the gnome ubuntu ppa
[12:32] <didrocks> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging
[12:33] <didrocks> ah ricotz has it
[12:33] <didrocks> bregma: https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/testing
[12:34] <bregma> sweet, at least I don't have to dedicate bandwidth and CPU to rebuilding locally
[12:34] <didrocks> yep ;)
[12:35] <didrocks> bregma: just a note, in 7 years, it's the first time the launchpad info "same package in other repositories" was of use for me :)
[12:35] <didrocks> achievement unlocked!
[12:35] <bregma> :)
[12:36] <larsu> didrocks: it was added for this exact moment
[12:37] <didrocks> larsu: that was *exactly* the joke I had in my mind! :)
[12:37] <larsu> didrocks: glad to make it for you ;)
[12:37] <didrocks> \o/
[12:37]  * didrocks hugs larsu
[12:37]  * larsu hugs didrocks back
[12:39] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: we have dispatched reporters to your location to interview you about your user experience now that this has happened.
[12:40] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: I hope this will at least make the headlines :)
[12:42] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: its not a story before there is at least one "10 things didrocks felt when he saw the "same package" note, that will make you cry" clickbait about it
[12:45] <didrocks> heh ;)
[14:11] <attente> larsu, seb128: is this ok to land? https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-themes/1285783/+merge/227768
[14:12] <larsu> sure
[14:16] <seb128> attente, yes, it's already landed, just blocked by beta freeze, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=ubuntu-themes
[14:17] <seb128> larsu, I wonder if that fixes the issue on some of the apps that we opted out of o-s?
[14:19] <larsu> dunno
[15:12] <seb128> tedg, hey, any chance you could look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1428711 ? I hit it regularly on my vivid desktop, just had it yesterday when opening totem...
[15:13] <seb128> tedg, let me know if you need debug info
[15:13] <tedg> seb128, Sure, let me look.
[15:13] <seb128> since I get the issue regularly I should be able to get some
[15:13] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[15:14] <tedg> seb128, It seems that it's in g_variant_is_trusted, are you skeptical of your variants?
[15:14] <tedg> ;-)
[15:14] <seb128> lol
[15:14] <seb128> seems so!
[15:25] <pitti> didrocks: FYI, I had to revert the patch for bug 1411140 :/
[16:20] <seb128> desrt, hey, could you look at https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/e6c01932bfab14c9c530ddef79e1cf0e9d7b5e97 and tell me if that's could be a (known?) glib/dconf bug?
[16:20] <seb128> that one is from file-roller but nautilus has similar reports
[16:21] <desrt> sure.  will look in a bit.  meeting right now.
[16:21] <seb128> thanks
[16:23] <desrt> this is recent?
[16:23] <desrt> i made some changes there lately....
[16:23] <seb128> desrt, it started in vivid it seems yes
[16:24] <desrt> oh.  those changes were on a branch and they didn't get committed.
[16:24] <desrt> so disregard :)
[16:24] <seb128> k
[16:30] <desrt> seb128: if i had to guess, i'd say that it's another floating refcount issue
[16:32] <seb128> desrt, not sure about https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/58672dd1c950607c573103da35280bb46f152622 as well
[16:32] <desrt> that one is somewhat more suspicious
[16:33] <Riddell> Sweet5hark: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/13058/ is in isn't it?
[16:33] <Riddell> certainly all the icons are in master http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/breeze
[16:52] <seb128> desrt, do you want a bug report about one of those issues?
[16:53] <desrt> seb128: still meeting.  gimme a bit before i take a proper look.
[16:54] <seb128> desrt, k
[17:42] <seb128> Trevinho, those issues seem to have started in vivid after your landing to add menus to unfocussed windows, not sure if that's on somebody's todolist?
[17:42] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1425085 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1432231
[17:43] <seb128> attente, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1431811 is for you I guess :-)
[17:44] <seb128> desrt, another similar looking https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/844d21139beaa74a6848c82238da8f9f7ee7d3d8
[17:45] <desrt> seb128: almost done ;)
[17:45] <seb128> desrt, yeah, no worry, just listing things as I cross them ;-)
[17:49] <igniting> Hi everyone! Can anyone here help me fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1241972?
[17:51] <igniting> I am unfamiliar with the code base, and I didn't enough documentation to start with. It would be great if someone can tell which part of the code is causing this bug.
[18:00] <Trevinho> seb128: the crashes?
[18:00] <seb128> Trevinho, yes, see the urls I gave
[18:02] <Trevinho> ouch, these are annoying to debug (happening in the loop)
[18:04] <Trevinho> that's more an andyrock area btw, but he's in holiday next week (while I'll be out from tomorrow till tue)
[18:04] <andyrock> seb128, what?
[18:04] <andyrock> and hy
[18:04] <andyrock> *hi
[18:04] <Trevinho> andyrock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1432231
[18:05] <andyrock> Trevinho, i suppose it does happen on shutdown
[18:05] <andyrock> Trevinho, seb128 do we have any numbers?
[18:06] <Trevinho> andyrock: you think that in that case it's unloading unityshell?
[18:06] <Trevinho> Changing a setting shouldn't happen
[18:06] <andyrock> yeah but changing the texutre type has nothing to do with this part of code
[18:07] <andyrock> likely it crashed for some other reasons
[18:07] <desrt> seb128: a lot of these don't look very similar :p
[18:14] <desrt> seb128: can i get cores for any of these backtraces?
[18:14] <desrt> and/or instructions for reproducing?
[18:21] <seb128> desrt, I don't think so :-/
[18:21] <seb128> andyrock, "numbers"?
[18:21] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho just gave the bug number
[18:21] <desrt> i need to stop writing so much assert() in my code :p
[18:23] <andyrock> seb128, like how often does it happen?
[18:24] <seb128> andyrock, it has a bunch of the most reported e.u.c issues for unity in vivid
[18:24] <seb128> andyrock, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7feea27498d47b4914cf17674c927cfa0b0e1d7e
[18:24] <seb128> andyrock, numbers are low but vivid doesn't have lot of users yet
[18:25] <seb128> andyrock, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/9b2b6ff77e637a4349392f55c448b543c4fd605c as well
[18:30] <desrt> seb128: i'm going to downgrade one branch of that assertion to a warning since it's possible that it happens in response to a bug elsewhere
[18:30] <desrt> as for the gvariant unref problems, i can only assume that it's some weird floating ref issue
[18:30] <seb128> desrt, ok
[18:30] <desrt> sure would be nice to know what the setting in question was, so i could trace down the issue
[18:31] <seb128> desrt, I can try to get you debug infos but I'm not sure it's going to be easy, no easy way to reproduce/get dumps there
[18:35] <desrt> seb128: i looked at file roller itself and it seems that there are no suspicious uses of gsettings api
[18:35] <desrt> so it makes me wonder if it's some library instead
[18:50] <desrt> in other news: spurious asserts in the new inotify code found an actual bug
[18:53] <seb128> nice