[00:00] <mcphail> jjohansen: hmm. I don't really understand dbus. Should I be selcting "systemBus" or "sessionBus" for my QDBusConnection?
[00:01] <jjohansen> mcphail: that would depend on who you are trying to communicate with. A system service or a session based service/task
[00:02] <jjohansen> session = what goes on in a users login
[00:02] <mcphail> jjohansen: I presume systemBus, then
[00:03] <mcphail> jjohansen: if i pastebin my qt code can you have a quick look and see if I'm missing anything stupid?
[00:04] <jjohansen> mcphail: I haven't had a change to play with qt code yet, so I probably won't be able to pick out anything with a quick look
[00:05] <mcphail> jjohansen: ok. thanks anyway
[02:23] <zain> Any CDMA phones on the project list?
[02:24] <DonkeyHotei> those still exist?
[02:25] <zain> Here in the great heartland we are stuck on yesterday and thats all the choices we have
[02:26] <DonkeyHotei> i was not aware of any cdma smartphone made after android 2.3
[02:29] <zain> Verizon...
[02:30] <nhaines> It's just one of many reasons I stick with T-Mobile.
[02:30] <DonkeyHotei> verizon has been switching away from cdma for years
[02:30] <zain> wish I had that choice
[02:30] <nhaines> Should be LTE sometime next year, I heard.
[02:33] <nhaines> zain: in any case, the only information is that Verizon is on the Ubuntu Mobile Carrier Advisory Board since it started up.
[02:33] <nhaines> Otherwise, the bq Aquaris and the Meizu MX4 are both GSM phones, as will probably be all other major phones.
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> alot of happy users received their ubuntu phone so it seems :p https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[04:12] <luckybunny> indeed we did
[04:12] <luckybunny> well. I wasn't a happy user until I received it
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> luckybunny: are you happy with the Bq's performance?
[04:12] <luckybunny> so far, yes
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> luckybunny: fast?
[04:13] <luckybunny> it beats my Sony Xperia M
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> thats nice to hear
[04:13] <luckybunny> around the same price point
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> im still on my nexus7 with touch
[04:14] <luckybunny> so I'm assuming the people reporting bad performance might be more accustomed to higher end hardware
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> yeah, i also agree, they cant compare hardware, nothing to do with ubuntu
[04:14] <luckybunny> while I've been on the low-mid range since time immemorial
[04:14] <nhaines> Donno, I used the bq Aquaris with Ubuntu for a weekend last month and it was pretty smooth.
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> for me the big reason is ubuntu's ease and security
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: im on devel-proposed now and going crazy smooth :p daily system updates==> very happy here
[04:16] <luckybunny> for me it's because I finally have a phone that might natively work with my OS of choice
[04:17] <luckybunny> most androids come with their own software package for windows (and sometimes mac) only
[04:17] <luckybunny> despite the device running a linux kernel
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats a good view, manufatcurers choose android in our place..
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu has jumped nicely with ubuntu touch and ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[04:18] <luckybunny> my only gripe with ubuntu touch so far is the lack of certain apps I kinda rely on with android. But that's not a gripe with the OS, more the early stage in its lifetime that it's at now
[04:19] <luckybunny> as time goes on, and more stuff hits the store, those gaps will be filled
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> well me and popey dicussed about it yesterday, touch should stick to ubuntu apps and not mix too many others for security reasons
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> like that telegram app was a nice alternative
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> secure..
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> im sure more nice apps will follow in the future
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> who wants broken android malware packages anyway :p
[04:25] <luckybunny> Telegram has been around for a while
[04:25] <luckybunny> I've had it on android for over a year
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> if they can hijack android on remote, they can read whatever been said on telegram too
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> so far for android security
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> luckybunny: but now your a lucky ubuntu touch owner :p
[04:28] <luckybunny> yeah. I was one of the 250 from the first flash sale
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> nice
[04:28] <luckybunny> when the site got overloaded
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> i hear its already the 5th flash
[04:28] <luckybunny> and nobody could buy
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> you from europe?
[04:29] <luckybunny> UK
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> nice
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> belgium here
[04:29] <luckybunny> it's 4:30am
[04:29] <luckybunny> I like Brussels
[04:30] <luckybunny> though you probably don't live in Brussels
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> pretty nice to live here
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> no bruges
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> city of lace and chocolats :p
[04:30] <luckybunny> last time I was in Brussels, I stayed in a youth hostel, had loads of Duvel and then went to parliament the next day
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> loool
[04:31] <luckybunny> the folks I was with drank the bar dry in the youth hostel
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> duvel is nice but dangerous, i never drink more then 3 :p
[04:31] <luckybunny> yeah, it's my favourite beer
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> sharp taste duvel
[04:32] <luckybunny> I really should try other ones though, but I'm not much of a beer man
[04:32] <luckybunny> rum is my drink
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> i like rhum too
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> with ice
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> or mojito's
[04:33] <luckybunny> yup
[04:33] <luckybunny> morgan's spiced with cola
[04:33] <luckybunny> at a bar, anyway. With dr pepper at home
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> here they drink bacardi razz with sprite, also nice
[06:04] <LetsGoGo> Just opene me eMail for ebayUK & realised that bq mobiles with definantly #UbuntuTouch are starting to stream-thru http://imgur.com/tZ1M5s6
[06:06] <LetsGoGo> For example this 4.5 aquarius is starting it's bidding at 99p and ending on April Fools day at 13:00pm : Would you buy it ? http://ebay.eu/1D0pZOb
[06:34] <nhaines> dpm: Just wanted to say thanks for helping with the coordination between Canonical and bq and getting the Aquaris sources clarified.  :)
[06:35] <dpm> nhaines, thanks, it's appreciated - john-mcaleely and victorp should really take the credit, and the bq guys who worked over holidays to fix it!
[06:36] <nhaines> Couldn't have been too fun, and of course it might not have been certain how seriously bq would take the issue.  Some very nice work all around.  :)
[06:39] <robin-hero> Hi all! My bq phone arrived yesterday, and it is fantastic, I really like it. But the battery life is terrible. I poweroff everything (GPS, location, wifi, mobiledata, bluetooth) when I was going to sleep last night. The battery was full (100%), and now 8 hours later it is 76%.So the battery discharged 24% in 8 hours without any interaction. Is it 3% per hour. It is "normal"?
[06:40] <nhaines> robin-hero: make sure you check for any available updates in System Settings.  This will help.
[06:40] <robin-hero> nhaines: I use r20, the latest version
[06:47] <robin-hero> Can anybody confirm this battery life is "normal"?
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:36] <robin-hero> morning
[07:37] <robin-hero> Is is too early or noone can answer my question? :)
[07:41] <dholbach> maybe too early - what was it?
[07:42] <robin-hero> My bq phone arrived yesterday, and it is fantastic, I really like it. But the battery life is terrible. I poweroff everything (GPS, location, wifi, mobiledata, bluetooth) when I was going to sleep last night. The battery was full (100%), and now 8 hours later it is 76%.So the battery discharged 24% in 8 hours without any interaction. Is it 3% per hour. It is "normal"?
[07:43] <dholbach> I personally don't know and I don't know where you could find statistics about it, sorry.
[07:43] <dholbach> you could ask on ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net though
[07:43] <robin-hero> np. thanks I'll give it a try.
[07:44] <dholbach> cool
[07:52] <dholbach> is anyone looking into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/1414799?
[08:51] <motabhai> hello ; please is any pigdin client available for ubuntu touch ? (arm ) ?
[08:57] <robin-hero> motabhai: Don't think so
[09:08] <Se7> morning all
[09:09] <robin-hero> morning
[09:09] <CoZo> 'lo
[09:14] <Se7> i was thinking it s possible to have a different messages in the circle of the ubuphone?
[09:14] <Se7> my one tell me how many message i send in a day
[09:15] <Se7> would be nice to have the message and the call you receive or you  miss
[09:19] <robin-hero> Se7: it works like that now :)
[09:19] <robin-hero> you need to knock twice on the circle
[09:19] <robin-hero> and the message changes :)
[09:19] <Se7> good tnx robin-hero :)
[09:20] <robin-hero> Se7: you're welcome.
[09:20] <Se7> i m learning :P
[09:21] <robin-hero> but it would be better if it would change every X minutes
[09:21] <CoZo> hello
[09:22] <Se7> i don t know i think like that the battery go down faster no?
[09:22] <Se7> hi CoZo
[09:22] <CoZo> do know if it's yet possible to share 3G connection via wifi ?
[09:22] <robin-hero> Se7: it is possible
[09:22] <Se7> you mean thentering CoZo ?
[09:23] <motabhai> after i switch off gps the icon remain on is it a documented bug ?
[09:23] <CoZo> yep
[09:23] <Se7> i don t know CoZo sorry
[09:24] <Se7> but someone was talking yesterday about that...maybe you get answer soon :)
[09:24] <CoZo> how i have to read logs ;o)
[09:24] <Se7> motabhai, i notice that as well
[09:25] <CoZo> thx Se7
[09:25] <Se7> no prpbs
[09:59] <ncls> CoZo, it's not possible for the moment, will be available in a future update (but don't know when)
[10:01] <ncls> CoZo, you can use USB tethering by installing the Terminal App on your phone, open it, and type : "android-gadget-service enable rndis"
[10:01] <ncls> didn't work for me on a macbook but it might work for you
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning, people! Happy Make Up Your Own Holiday Day! :-D
[10:12] <robin-hero> Can I turn off the Camera sound on UT?
[10:12] <CoZo> thx ncis
[10:12] <robin-hero> It is very annoying
[10:14] <sturmflut-work> JamesTait: In that case, June 13 should be "James Clerk Maxwell Day" IMO. It is celebrated by increasing the transmit power of your WiFi router and handling strong magnets near old CRT televisions.
[10:15] <popey> sturmflut-work: good vacation?
[10:15] <sturmflut-work> popey: Yeah, 37 degrees at the beach and stuff like that
[10:15] <JamesTait> sturmflut-work, you should submit it: https://www.daysoftheyear.com/contact/
[10:16] <sturmflut-work> popey: ...and I ate a lot of things I can probably never speak about in public. The Vietnamese sure do not waste anything.
[10:17] <popey> hah
[10:21] <robin-hero> Can I turn off the Camera sound when I take a picture?
[10:22] <ogra_> if you can then there is definitely no UI option
[10:22] <popey> should file a bug in camera app imo
[10:22] <ogra_> wait for Kaleo to get up (brazilian TZ)
[10:22] <ogra_> he probably can tell you if there is a non UI way
[10:22] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app/+filebug?no_redirect
[10:23] <ogra_> right, filing a bug will also help :)
[10:23] <robin-hero> ogra, popey: ok, thanks, I'll do that.
[10:25] <robin-hero> I found a bug about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-camera/+bug/1292003
[10:26] <ogra_> ah, good, and it is on jhodapp's radar already
[10:58] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, good mornig :-) I think I addressed all your request, I also added a unit test for history model. I left a comment on the branch to explain poin by point :-)
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> BQ website open to buy ubuntu phones again
[11:04] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, good morning! just seen that, I’ll be reviewing it in a moment, thanks
[11:05] <mcphail> I'm picking mine up tonight. very excited!
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: picking up where
[11:06] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: my house. I work away from home
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> you live in europe also?
[11:07] <mcphail> yes
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:07] <mcphail> Got an email from bq yesterday to say it had been dispatched: 4 days after it was delivered!
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: alot of users got their Bq phone, shows on the twitter page
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[11:08] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: i suspect my wife will have hidden it so I give some attention to her and the kids before playing with my new toy :)
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:09] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: she knows my priorities
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: you can use the nearby app, maybe she will show up on your phone :p
[11:10] <mcphail> :)
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: im already playing on my nexus7 with touch
[11:30] <ogra_> Se7, mpt, bug 1436801
[11:33] <Se7> i saw ogra_ :(
[11:34] <ogra_> subscribe to it, then you can see the progress :)
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> someone knows how many devices being sold already?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> its like the 5th flash sale right?
[11:35] <ogra_> yeah, someone does :)
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> smart to produce on flash sales like this, when sold out, make more
[11:37] <ogra_> you save a lot of storage costs, which is kind of essential for such a small manufacturer
[11:38] <Se7> i will subscribe now ogra_ :)
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> smart guys, of course they chosen ubuntu as Os :p
[11:39] <k1l> flash sales reduce the risk for the manufacturer. which is quite understandable on a brand new phone OS.
[11:39] <mcphail> For those who have made the switch already, what do you miss most from android/ios/bb/whatever?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> k1l: but they already sell many android devices also, so they dont take risks with ubuntu?
[11:39] <k1l> i mean even webOS failed although it was made from palm/HP which were like giants on the IT/mobile device business.
[11:40] <k1l> lotuspsychje: they make a slightly different frontpanel on the ubuntu device. so extra production
[11:40] <mcphail> k1l: HP were on a suicide mission at that point
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> right
[11:40] <rpadovani> mcphail, I haven't anymore backup of my data on my favourite storage provider: NSA :(
[11:41] <k1l> mcphail: well, selling a new product for the same price as the apple ipad. who could have seen that :X
[11:41] <ogra_> mcphail, nothing att all :)
[11:41] <k1l> but i dont want to complain, i got a hp touchpad on the firesale for really cheap money :)
[11:41] <mcphail> ogra_: :)
[11:41] <mcphail> I suspect I may miss a swipe-y keyboard
[11:42] <ogra_> (but i'm an exclusive ubuntu phone user since a year now, no whatsapp in my life etc, so this is easier :) )
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: your on telegram?
[11:42] <ogra_> yep
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> nicely
[11:42] <k1l> ah yeah, a swipe keyboard would be nice. i like the google keyboard on my android because of swipe funtion
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> i love the scopes on touch
[11:43] <mcphail> Such a shame ubuntu one shut before the devices came on line. Would have been nice to have a central sync store
[11:44] <mcphail> I really liked ubuntu one
[11:44] <k1l> mcphail: yeah
[11:44]  * lotuspsychje dont like things in the cloud
[11:44] <mpt> thanks ogra_
[11:44] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: yes, but it was nice to come home and find today's photos on your desktop already
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> true
[11:45]  * ogra_ guesses someone will send patches to make the auth system support owncloud at some point :)
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: try sdk for noobs :p
[11:45] <k1l> did someone poke owncloud guys abou that stuff?
[11:45] <mcphail> ogra_: that would be great
[11:45] <k1l> *t
[11:46] <ogra_> then you can run an ubuntu snappy instance at home ... install owncloud with one click ... and just point your phone to it
[11:47] <k1l> i mean if you think of how long it took the websites to get to know there are mobile devices and to make mobile versions, there might be some interest to fasten that process on the mobile apps front :)
[11:48]  * k1l would like to see some more open source involvement on the open source phone OS then only wanting to have prop. android apps ported
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> k1l: would that not mean a security flaw to port android apps?
[11:49] <ogra_> not in our design
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:50] <ogra_> an app can do whatever it wants ... but as soon as it accesses hardware or data of otzher apps (or the system) it has to interact with you
[11:51] <ogra_> there is no way around this, so you can surely package malicious apps ... but they can only be malicious inside their own environment ... which doesnt offer you much to be evil
[11:52] <k1l> lotuspsychje: i mean: at the moment on every new mobile OS the question is: will it work with android apps.
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: so they cant record data 'caged' on ubuntu?
[11:53] <ogra_> they can record all data they can access :)
[11:53] <ogra_> but they cant do that without you knowing
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> k1l: yeah compatiblity is always a prob in this world, the masses use windows,android,etc
[11:53] <k1l> even for stuff where open source apps could be a good solution people tend to demand "$player" because they know it from android and maybe purchased the pro edition there etc.
[11:54] <ogra_> i.e. your app cant access location info without the system showing a question to the user if it tries to do that for the first time
[11:54] <ogra_> so you have to allow/deny
[11:54] <ogra_> nothin is possible secretly in the background like on android ...
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> ok i understand
[11:55] <k1l> but as we all know, most users will click on "ok" anyway, no matter what the message was :X
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> and if its malicious and reaches ubuntu app store, wont take long as the comunity will know right
[11:55] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: the apparmor restrictions are pretty solid. I've been trying to break them for days... ;)
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: i love security pentesters :p
[11:56] <ogra_> k1l, sure, but it is a different model than on android, where you simply blindly confirm world access at app install time (most do that i uess)
[11:56] <ogra_> *guess
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: did you try to nmap ubuntu touch device yet?
[11:57] <k1l> ogra_: yes. its a flaw in the security design. you cant install if you dont give the app the access it demands.
[11:57] <k1l> so we end up on a flashlight app reading the whole phonebook
[11:57] <ogra_> right
[11:57] <ogra_> on ubuntu thats impossible
[11:57] <mcphail> k1l: I'm not sure that is true. Back when the google app store clearly showed permissions, there were always lots of comments and downvotes for apps with inappropriate permissions. That's why they hid them
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> well thats nice to hear
[11:58] <k1l> mcphail: the security interessted user will notice that and will not install the app. but $user, who just wants quickly install a flashlight app, doesnt care about as long as he gets the flashlight going.
[11:59] <ahayzen> popey, jhodapp, Hey who do I need to talk to raise the importance of bug 1421620 ? We have now have had another duplicate which states, to quote directly, "this bug should be nominated for weirdest bug ever!" :) I feel from the music-app point of view this is high/critical so can this be tracked on the canonical-devices-system-image and given a milestone?
[12:01]  * lotuspsychje is nmapping his n7 touch
[12:02] <jgdx> pete-woods, hi, could you add a comment re: the change made to bug 1301429 ?
[12:03] <pete-woods> jgdx: I was bulk moving all indicator-network project bugs over to the indicator-network package
[12:04] <pete-woods> looks like I messed that one up
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> Starting Nmap 6.40 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-03-26 13:00 CET
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> Nmap scan report for 81.11.170.96
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> Host is up.
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> All 1000 scanned ports on 81.11.170.96 are filtered
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: you know if touch run firewall?
[12:05] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, not yet ... but it follows the same policy the desktop does "no open ports by default (with exception of DHCP)"
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> nicely
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> no service to exploit :p
[12:06] <ogra_> right ...
[12:06] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: apart from dhcp :)
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> how about browser infection?
[12:06] <ogra_> i know that the security pleans to also integrate firewall functionallity into the security profiles though ...
[12:06] <ogra_> but thats not there yet
[12:09] <motabhai> some1 from canonical team ?
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> your user agent: Mozilla/5.0(linux; Ubuntu 14.04 like android 4.4)
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> shows on whatsmyip
[12:10] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, the "reset browser settings" entry worked once, but now it’s not working any longer in my tests, and the changes don’t seem to be saved to the config file either
[12:13] <ogra_> oSoMoN, oh, btw, my browser doesnt keep the open tabs again .. i guess if i delete the persistent data that will work again as usual, but i wonder why it happens so often for me recently ...
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> your user agent is not vulnerable :p
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> and good protocol support
[12:15] <davmor2> motabhai: just talk the canonical guys are busy but anyone can reply
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> laterz dinner
[12:17] <oSoMoN> ogra_, could it be that you changed the value of the "restoreSession" config option in ~/.config/webbrowser-app/settings.conf ?
[12:18] <ogra_> not on purpose
[12:18] <oSoMoN> (it should be true for sessions to be restored at startup)
[12:18] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cat ~/.config/webbrowser-app/settings.conf
[12:18] <ogra_> cat: /home/phablet/.config/webbrowser-app/settings.conf: No such file or directory
[12:19] <oSoMoN> so it will default to true
[12:19] <motabhai> is there a way how to compile pigdin from sources ?
[12:20] <popey> apt-get source pidgin; apt-get build-dep pidgin; cd pidgin*; debuild -uc -us
[12:21] <ogra_> not really a phone task though :)
[12:23] <Se7>          how about xchat?
[12:25] <Se7> any irc client app in project?
[12:25] <motabhai> popey: can i use ppa:pidgin-developers/ppa and compile for arm ?
[12:25] <popey> motabhai: yeah, but it won't work on the phone I imagine.
[12:26] <davmor2> Se7: there are 2 webapps for irc
[12:26] <motabhai> popey: thanks a lot. what about qemu or wine ?
[12:26] <Se7> i saw davmor2
[12:27] <popey> motabhai: what about them?
[12:27] <robin-hero> wine? Omg, do you want to run wine on your device? :O :D
[12:28] <Se7> another 1 million dollar question ...how about anonimity? like there is a tor project for the phone?
[12:28]  * popey wants to run scummvm on his
[12:28] <popey> Se7: not yet, but it would be awesome to have more things like that
[12:28] <Mirv> popey: do you know anything about SDL Mir support coming pre-installed at some point?
[12:28] <Se7> yep popey :) just asking and give idea :)
[12:29] <popey> Mirv: I thought it was already!
[12:29] <ogra_> Mirv, SDL2 should work OOTB
[12:29] <popey> well, mir has sdl2 support, but you need to ship your own libsdl in your app, or static build
[12:29] <popey> AIUI
[12:29] <ogra_> i dont think there is any 1.x support planned in Mir though
[12:29] <popey> no, but I did learn something interesting
[12:29] <Mirv> popey: ogra_: yes the archive version should be new enough, but I don't see it on the image so that our store could containt SDL apps
[12:30] <popey> they're planning to add a shim, so apps built for libsdl1.2 can have sdl2 underneath
[12:30] <popey> and sdl1.2 shim translates the calls
[12:30] <Mirv> right, ship-your-own-libsdl
[12:30] <ogra_> yeah
[12:30] <ogra_> like for all click packages :)
[12:31] <mcphail> Is there a way to set/constrain orientation for SDL apps?
[12:31] <Mirv> does there happen to be any sort of "click packaging for dummy debian developers" guide? like, if I've a .deb building, how to migrate to click?
[12:31] <ogra_> there is a way to do it in QML/Qt apps so i wouold imagine SDL apps can do it too
[12:32] <davmor2> Mirv: developer.ubuntu.com
[12:32] <Mirv> davmor2: I've tried that thing, but eg https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/packaging-click-apps/ talks about newly created SDK apps from within Qt Creator, not how to manually build click packages most easily if the debian packaging is already in place
[12:33] <ogra_> Mirv, there is no general solution ... you need to dump your libs into the right place that ubuntu-app-launch adds to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[12:33] <ogra_> and indeed fiddle manually with any settings a maintainer script would do, to make it work in your env
[12:35] <Mirv> ok
[12:36] <ogra_> Mirv, see "Runtime Environment" https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/app-confinement/
[12:37] <motabhai> is it worthy to flash from 14.10 to 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Daily Build ?
[12:37] <ogra_> not if you want a stable phone
[12:38] <ogra_> (15.04 has plenty of unfixed bugs)
[12:38] <robin-hero> Is Vivid has better battery life than Utopic?
[12:40] <ogra_> probably ...
[12:40]  * ogra_ hasnt compared the two on the same hardware
[12:41] <robin-hero> Do you use 14.10 on your bq phone?
[12:41] <ogra_> sure
[12:41] <Mirv> ogra_: thanks, that looks useful!
[12:42] <ogra_> i cant wait to have snap packages come to the phone though
[12:42] <robin-hero> And do you statisfied with the battery life?
[12:42] <ogra_> so much easier to package
[12:42] <ogra_> robin-hero, i get ~2 days out of the device with one charge and occasional browsing and music playback ... yeah, i am stisfied
[12:43] <ogra_> not sure how long the bq lasts on android, but i doubt it is much more
[12:43] <ogra_> the battery is quite small ...
[12:43] <robin-hero> ogra_: 2 days would be okay for me, but now it is about 28 hours...
[12:44] <robin-hero> should a reflash solve this battery drain problem?
[12:44] <ogra_> well, it really depends on your screen time ... if the screen is on a lot it will surely draw a lot ... also if you have automatic brightness on plays a role
[12:44] <sturmflut-work> If all my data and assumptions are correct, the revenue bq made by selling Ubuntu Phones surpassed a million euros today.
[12:44] <ogra_> why would a re-flash solve anything ?
[12:45] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, you and your guesswork ... :P
[12:45] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, but awesome !!!
[12:45] <ogra_> :)
[12:45] <popey> sturmflut-work: interesting
[12:46] <popey> probably not much compared to how many android devices and 3d printers they sell
[12:47] <robin-hero> ogra_: But for me it decreases 3% per hour with turned off screen
[12:47] <ogra_> hmm, thats 1% more than i see
[12:47] <mcphail> popey: do they sell a lot of android phones outside Spain? I've never seen any in Scotland. The ubuntu phone has been selling europe-wide, so that might be big news for them
[12:47] <ogra_> do you have two SIMs ?
[12:48] <ogra_> that might cause more wakeups
[12:48] <popey> they have shipped beyond spain for ages, yes
[12:48] <sturmflut-work> popey: Ubuntu should now make up about one percent of the phones they will sell this year. I have no data regarding 3D printers.
[12:48] <robin-hero> ogra_: no, only one
[12:49] <mcphail> robin-hero: my android phone drains more or less depending on strength of nearest cell tower/wifi hotspot etc. Perhaps location plays a difference
[12:49] <robin-hero> mcphail: I disabled location, no change...
[12:49] <ogra_> it surely does, but shouldnt be a massive one
[12:50] <ogra_> i think he meant pyhsical location towards your cell tower
[12:50] <robin-hero> it decreases 3%/hour with almos everything turned off
[12:50] <robin-hero> ogra_: oh, I've got it
[12:51] <mcphail> robin-hero: my android phone drains in 18h at home, 26h at work or 12h if I'm in the linac bunker
[12:52] <mcphail> (roughly)
[12:52] <robin-hero> mcphail: I understand this, but my Android phone with similar scpecs drains in 2-3 days with the same usage
[12:53] <ogra_> robin-hero, similar specs say nothing
[12:53] <robin-hero> Btw the System Settings' battery page isn't too informative.
[12:53] <CoZo> robin-hero: did you switch off all feature ?
[12:53] <ogra_> you would need an identical SoC that uses exactly the same battery management HW
[12:53] <ogra_> the only proper comparison to android would be to compare the bq to the same model on android
[12:54] <CoZo> sure
[12:54] <CoZo> maybe you have to do some powercycle (charge full and discharge) to have a good fuel gauging
[12:57] <robin-hero> CoZo: yeah, I am trying that now
[13:05] <Mirv> tosky: o/
[13:05] <tosky> Mirv: hi :)
[13:06] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, strange, it works like a charm on both my computers
[13:14] <Isotop7> building ubuntu touch for my jfltexx fails with an error saying that 'linux/msm_mdp.h not found' even though the file is present in the kernel includes...can somebody help me?
[13:26] <nuclearbob> can anybody tell me the expected values for /sys/class/gpsdrv/gps/state
[13:27]  * ogra_ guesses 0 and 1
[13:27] <brunch875> mine says 1 by default
[13:28] <nuclearbob> mine says 1 right now, it seems like it says 2 when gps is actually on
[13:29] <nuclearbob> I'd like to confirm that so I can write a test around it
[13:29] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, I’ll test again after lunch
[13:34] <pete-woods> pitti: https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/1/files pingly ping and welcome back! I'm sure you aren't being pinged left, right and center :p
[13:34]  * ogra_ pings pitti from the left 
[13:35]  * ogra_ pings pitti from the right
[13:35] <pitti> pete-woods: heh, queueing :)
[13:36]  * pitti does a jump to the left and a step to the right
[13:36] <pete-woods> thanks :)
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, what's the deal with rtm? I though we were done doing landings there and focussing on vivid?
[13:37] <kenvandine> that's the hope
[13:38] <jgdx> is that a Jerry Seinfeld joke?
[13:38] <kenvandine> no... but would have been good :)
[13:38] <jgdx> What's the deal with rtm? I mean, it's released already, and …
[13:38] <jgdx> IANAC
[13:39] <jgdx> seb128, are you referring to my two rtm branches?
[13:39] <seb128> jgdx, yes
[13:39] <jgdx> you can safely ignore them, it took me two minutes and I saw no harm
[13:39] <seb128> k
[13:39] <seb128> well, I just marked a dozen a rejected yesterday
[13:40] <kenvandine> just preparing in case we don't switch to vivid soon enough
[13:40] <seb128> so checking that was ok
[13:40] <kenvandine> oh, i hadn't seen that
[13:40] <seb128> well, all the pending ones
[13:40] <kenvandine> that's fine
[13:40] <seb128> that spams the activereview summary
[13:40] <seb128> k
[13:40] <pmcgowan> yeah dont bother making rtm silos if its not on the approved list
[13:40] <kenvandine> i was leaving them just in case the vivid switch takes to long
[13:41] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, do we have any settings bugs on the rtm approved list?
[13:41] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, are they critical issues?
[13:41] <kenvandine> i wasn't planning to do any landings there
[13:41] <pmcgowan> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-products/+milestone/ww13-ota
[13:41] <kenvandine> bug 1415495
[13:43] <kenvandine> it's marked critical
[13:43] <jgdx> not a blocker for rtm though
[13:43] <kenvandine> but frankly our apn stuff is in such bad shape... not sure we should jump through hoops to land it
[13:43] <pmcgowan> that was originally thought to be vivid only
[13:44] <brunch875> popey, how did you get ar working on utouch?
[13:44] <popey> brunch875: hmm?
[13:45] <popey> brunch875: oh, i unpacked the binary and put it in ~/bin
[13:46] <brunch875> but where did you get the binary?
[13:46] <brunch875> apt-get download says no candidate
[13:47] <popey> packages.ubuntu.com and unpackaged the armhf deb
[13:47] <brunch875> aaah thanks man
[14:04] <brunch875> I can't find the armhf on packages.ubuntu.com but I found binutils for that architecture at packages.debian.org
[14:17] <sturmflut-work> brunch875: Isn't the armhf stuff hosted on ports.ubuntu.com
[14:17] <brunch875> I have no idea, I'm new to this
[14:18] <brunch875> but I got it from debian and it works :D
[14:18] <brunch875> I even learned about LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[14:19] <brunch875> it's the first time I manually install into some place other than /usr/share and I must admit packaging is way easier than I thought
[14:19] <dobey> sturmflut-work: packages.ubuntu.com should list those as well i think
[14:19] <dobey> or you can just go to launchpad
[14:20] <brunch875> dobey, I must thank you
[14:20] <brunch875> I'm learning quite a ton
[14:21] <brunch875> damn, I confused names again
[14:21] <brunch875> well to be honest I must thank all of you ;D
[14:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl> brunch875: I know how you feel, joining the channel you Learn a considerable amount just from watching and reading occasionally
[14:31] <mariogrip> popey, this time i didn't miss the flash sale. now the waiting game begins. :P
[14:31] <popey> \o/
[14:31] <lentzi90> I received my bq phone yesterday and now I am having problems with the sound.
[14:32] <brunch875> don't worry, fixes are enroute!
[14:32] <brunch875> what problem do you have?
[14:32] <lentzi90> I get no sounds except for ringtones and such. Any suggestions? I have rebooted several times.
[14:32] <brunch875> did you play the wind game and mute it from in there?
[14:33] <lentzi90> hmm i might...?
[14:33] <brunch875> it also mutes everything else...
[14:33] <lentzi90> oh I see :D
[14:33] <brunch875> launch the game and unmute
[14:33] <lentzi90> thanks! I'll try! :)
[14:33] <brunch875> ar
[14:34] <lentzi90> Now working! Thanks a lot! :)
[14:34] <brunch875> hehe I'm a computer wizard now
[14:44] <brunch875> I manged to install stuff in home via dpkg -x whatever.deb $HOME
[14:44] <brunch875> still, that doesn't cover the dependencies
[14:45] <brunch875> so apt-get download whatever followed with dpkg won't do the trick
[14:45] <brunch875> it works fine with binutils, but not quite with gcc :P
[14:49] <ogra_> yeah, for that you better use a chroot
[14:50] <ogra_> grab the armhf tarball from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[14:50] <ogra_> untar it
[14:50] <ogra_> (in your home)
[14:51] <ogra_> then you can chroot into the unpacked rootfs and use apt and whatever you like without tainting your system
[14:51] <brunch875> hoorray thanks man
[14:51] <ogra_> make sure to always mount proc sys and dev in the chroot ... and also to unmount it when you leave the chroot
[14:52] <brunch875> that escapes my skill
[14:53] <mcphail> ogra_: would it not be easier to run debootstrap?
[14:54] <ogra_> mcphail, dunno, surely takes 10x the time over just tar xf
[14:54] <ogra_> and you have to get debootstrap in place first
[14:54] <mcphail> ogra_: you'd only download a minimal package (and it can be run from your main computer over SSH so no need to install)
[14:54] <DonkeyHotei> but you get a system with apt-get
[14:55] <brunch875> I found some cookie
[14:55] <brunch875> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1156240.html
[14:56] <ogra_> mcphail, have you ever run debootstrap ? takes ages ... and it will produce *exactly* the content of the tarball i pointed to :)
[14:57] <mcphail> ogra_: doesn't take ages at all - cuts out the middle man!
[14:57] <mcphail> ogra_: I do all my ubuntu and debian installs with debootstrap now
[14:57] <ogra_> your installs ?
[14:57] <mcphail> ogra_: yes
[14:57] <ogra_> then you have quite broken installs i guess
[14:58] <ogra_> or at least miss a lot
[14:58] <mcphail> ogra_: I make a new btrfs subvolume, set up the build with debootstrap and switch over
[14:58] <ogra_> right, and miss all the debconf setup a proper install would bring
[14:59] <mcphail> ogra_: not at all. The only tweaks you need are for /etc/fstab
[14:59] <mcphail> ogra_: debootstrap was one of the only ways to do it in the old days
[14:59] <ogra_> in debian ... yeah
[14:59] <ogra_> ubuntu isnt debian
[14:59] <ogra_> but anyway, up to you :)
[15:00] <mcphail> ogra_: no, but it has the ubuntu-desktop metapackage which does everything you need to set things up
[15:00] <ogra_> i promise you that you dont get the same someone gets when using the installer though
[15:01] <mcphail> ogra_: I'd challenge anyone to tell the difference
[15:01] <Rejis> Hi
[15:01] <ogra_> well i told you one already ... there are plenty more
[15:01] <brunch875> Hello!
[15:01] <ogra_> else we wouldnt have to have an installer :)
[15:02] <Rejis> wow, this actually works!
[15:02] <mcphail> ogra_: installers are for wimps :)
[15:02] <brunch875> IRC? It's ancient but still amazing  :P
[15:02] <ogra_> lol
[15:02] <ogra_> Rejis, just dont put the client in the background, it will disconnect after a while :)
[15:03] <Rejis> .
[15:04] <Rejis> I see
[15:04] <Rejis> Sorry, still struggling with it
[15:06] <brunch875> hmmmmm the real question is... can I use the programs I install into the jail from the outside?
[15:06] <brunch875> which one will execute if I add them to the path?
[15:08] <ogra_> from adb or ssh you can do anything ...
[15:08] <ogra_> from a click package you wont
[15:09] <Rejis> I think I'll scurry and get the phone a SIM.
[15:10] <Rejis> thanks for the fair warning in regards to DCs
[15:12] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, additional comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/settings-page/+merge/253975
[15:12] <brunch875> tar: dev/tty: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted
[15:12] <brunch875> I think I'm doing something wrong
[15:13] <brunch875> tar -xf vivid.tar.gz -C jail
[15:13] <brunch875> on the other hand it seemed to work :\
[15:24] <Se7> any chance to make bright the icon when you scroll down
[15:25] <Se7> i mean where there is network battery ecc ecc
[15:27] <dobey> Se7: that happens already
[15:27] <Se7> ??
[15:28] <dobey> when you open the indicator menu, the current one is brighter and the others are all dimmed
[15:28] <Se7> yep...would be better if they will be a little more brighter
[15:28] <Se7> i think
[15:29] <brunch875> are you using the BQ phone?
[15:29] <Se7> yep
[15:29] <dobey> well they are white, i don't think they can get any brighter :)
[15:29] <brunch875> looks pretty bright to me
[15:29] <dobey> switch to the battery and raise your screen brightness maybe? :)
[15:30] <Se7> i ve tried dobey...in house it s ok but outside mmm
[15:31] <Se7> anyway just a thought :)
[15:31] <dobey> Se7: well, it's white, so it's already the brighest thing on screen. the only other thing you can change is screen brightness :)
[15:31] <dobey> if the bq phone has the auto-adjust option for brightness, perhaps you could enable that
[15:32] <Se7> i ll try
[15:32] <Edward_Morbius> hello, anyone have high battery drain overnight with BQ device?
[15:33] <sturmflut-work> Edward_Morbius: There is a thread on the mailing list about that issue
[15:34] <sturmflut-work> Edward_Morbius: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg11683.html
[15:34] <Edward_Morbius> ok thanks, hope they fix it soon as the phone loses 40% of charge overnight, will check the link.
[15:36] <ogra_> Edward_Morbius, about 2% per hour is normal currently ...
[15:36] <ogra_> 40% is definitely not
[15:36] <ogra_> (unless you have 20h nights where you live :) )
[15:37] <dobey> finland?
[15:37] <ogra_> at this time of year rather the south pole i guess :)
[15:37] <Edward_Morbius> but it does drain around 40% for me, wifi is off, only one sim active, maybe my battery didnt calibrate properly yet?
[15:38] <ogra_> might be that it needs a few cycles before it gets accurate
[15:38] <brunch875> maybe
[15:38] <brunch875> you're using the BQ one, right?
[15:38] <Edward_Morbius> yes
[15:38] <Edward_Morbius> and its fully updated
[15:38] <ogra_> (hard to tell, i use my phone since several months already and am not sure if it needed that)
[15:38] <brunch875> what I did was let it discharge completely before starting to charge it
[15:38] <brunch875> fully
[15:39] <brunch875> those are the instructions my sister gave me. She has a BQ too and told me the instructions stated that
[15:39] <Edward_Morbius> I will try letting it shutdown when battery is drained and charge it again and see if anything changed
[15:39] <brunch875> try completely discharging the phone and then fully charging it
[15:39] <dobey> ogra_: i've been using ubuntu only on my nexus5 for almost a year now, and have had wildly different levels of battery drain
[15:40] <ogra_> yeah, but thats you ...
[15:40] <ogra_> :)
[15:40] <Edward_Morbius> 7% now, I will let some youtube videos play to drain it faster.
[15:41]  * brunch875 is down for a power-nap (as in poweroff/hibernation for a few days)
[15:41] <ogra_> if i charge my bq on friday and just leave it idle (with all services enabled) over the weekend it still is alive on sunday evening
[15:41] <ogra_> (red battery icon though)
[15:41] <Edward_Morbius> btw does anyone know is 15.04 image coming to devices anytime soon?
[15:42] <dobey> ogra_: with a SIM installed?
[15:42] <ogra_> yes
[15:42] <ogra_> dobey, yup, only one though
[15:43] <ogra_> Edward_Morbius, we will switch with one of the next OTAs (teh next will still be 14.09 based ... not sure if the following or the one after will be 15.04 then ... depends on the qualit)
[15:43] <ogra_> y
[15:43] <popey> Edward_Morbius: yeah, a few weeks away i think
[15:43] <Edward_Morbius> thanks for the information
[15:45] <Se7> any skype surrogate? lol
[15:46] <dobey> it's proprietary, so no
[15:46] <Se7> kk
[15:46] <Edward_Morbius> I saw Skype on Intel tablet in Will Cooke's convergence demo, dont know if it works via XMir.
[15:47] <dobey> yes
[15:47] <dobey> and that's x86
[15:47] <ogra_> the browser sadly still lacks WebRTC support ... else we could use our own hangouts like implementation
[15:47] <dobey> well skype is qt i think, so probably doesn't need xmir
[15:47] <dobey> ogra_: hangouts doesn't use webrtc either :-/
[15:48] <ogra_> once that is there i'll write a client for snappy-chatroom ... then you can run your own hangouts server and use it with the phone :)
[15:48] <ogra_> dobey, hangouts "like" :)
[15:48] <ogra_> snappy-chatroom provides everything but screen sharing (and hangout apps)
[15:48] <dobey> ogra_: well, i have to use hangouts for work, so "like" isn't like enough :)
[15:49] <ogra_> you got a crazy employer ... who would route all his company info through hangouts !
[15:50] <ogra_> :)
[15:50] <dobey> plus i want to write some magic so when i click on google URLs it opens with the right account and such
[15:50] <dobey> heh, i know right
[15:50] <Edward_Morbius> and telegram with sound notifications would be nice, I was kind of surprised it doesnt have them.
[15:50] <ogra_> it does
[15:50] <ogra_> but only in the unstable 15.04 images yet
[15:51] <ogra_> ... and as mentioned above, these still need some stability love first
[15:52] <Edward_Morbius> good, it works well in the current state minus the sound.
[15:53] <Edward_Morbius> had to coerce my gf, brother and few other people to use telegram once I got my BQ device, everyone is on Viber unfortunately.
[15:54] <ogra_> you could alternatively convince viber to provide an ubuntu client :)
[15:55] <Edward_Morbius> I was kind of thinking about that, maybe all the Ubuntu Touch users should send a petition of some sorts, 1 user emailing them would hardly make a difference.
[15:56] <dobey> there is no touch
[15:56] <dobey> there is only zuul
[15:56] <dobey> er, i mean ubuntu
[15:56] <ogra_> and gosa ?
[15:56] <davmor2> dobey: no I think you were right the first time
[15:56] <dobey> gozer the traveller?
[15:56] <ogra_> yeah
[15:57] <Edward_Morbius> they already have linux client so I am guessing viber is probably the closest to having a ubuntu client, whatsapp highly unlikely anytime soon.
[15:58] <ogra_> we just need to make sure to send eth whole dev dept. of such companies free ubuntu phones ...
[15:58] <ogra_> viral development encouragement ;)
[16:00] <Edward_Morbius> those few popular applications like skype and viber is all some people need, I showed my phone to some Android users and they liked how it works but said they need skype and viber to switch over.
[16:01] <ogra_> yeap, and whatsapp
[16:01] <mcphail> What is viber, anyway? I'm not up to speed on these things
[16:02] <Edward_Morbius> yes though viber is much more important to most people, as whatsapp lost a lot of ground to viber, at least judging from people I am in contact with, many of them initially used whatsapp but switched completely to viber
[16:02] <Edward_Morbius> not to mention free calls over viber that are available
[16:03] <pmcgowan> viber is a qt5 app, interesting
[16:03] <ogra_> well, i know for sure that whatsapp is bigger than viber in germany
[16:03] <Edward_Morbius> they have a linux client so I am guessing it would not be too difficult for them to port it to ubuntu touch if they wanted to
[16:03] <ogra_> if you want the masses i dont think there is a way around whatsapp
[16:04] <ogra_> but then ... i'm not sure we want the masses
[16:04] <Edward_Morbius> we want their applications :D
[16:04] <ogra_> true :)
[16:05] <Edward_Morbius> with viber and skype a more enthusiastic parts of masses might switch over, average joe wouldnt.
[16:07] <Se7> i agree Edward_Morbius ...because most of people like to have the plate good and ready to eat :)
[16:08] <Edward_Morbius> yes and applications like viber are important in any case, other people use it so without it the linux enthusiast is also...you know
[16:08] <Se7> yep
[16:09] <Se7> it s difficult change  for people
[16:11] <Edward_Morbius> which is why it is good these early phones didnt went on regular sales
[16:11] <Se7> yep:)
[16:12] <Edward_Morbius> this way people who can deal with early deficiencies will buy it and help with real life testing
[16:14] <Edward_Morbius> my phone shutdown and is now on charger, lets see if it helps the battery.
[16:14] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, hey, I was thinking about the custom list model for the search engines, and I realized that this is useless :) I explained why in the settings document, together with a code snippet (also available here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10684572/)
[16:15] <ogra_> well, if that has any effect it wont help to just do one discharge cycle
[16:15] <Edward_Morbius> I know, 3-4 should help though.
[16:15] <ogra_> you will need a few more
[16:15] <ogra_> yeah
[16:19] <EdwardMorbius> can you guys suggest what is best to learn for writing something for Ubuntu Touch? Qml,HTML5?
[16:20] <ogra_> either :)
[16:20] <mcphail> EdwardMorbius: more love seems to have gone to QML, from what i can see
[16:20] <EdwardMorbius> as I am quite a noob at programming I am looking for the easier one to learn :)
[16:21] <ogra_> well, QML and html5 are not that much different after all
[16:22] <EdwardMorbius> I will check some manuals and decide
[16:24] <sturmflut-work> EdwardMorbius: IMO HTML5 is a waste of time. If you want to do something that the existing APIs do not allow, you are completely stuck with HTML5, but you can just go and extend QML with Qt/C++ modules or even flip everything around and write a native Qt/C++ which happens to load a QML file at some point.
[16:25] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, cool! I'll take a look both to doc and branch later :-)
[16:26] <EdwardMorbius> what I would like to do is simple image viewer and music player, would html5 be enough to do that? or QML is better
[16:26] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, usually even a few javascript functions suffice in QML
[16:26] <ogra_> QML is surely better integrated if it comes to things like music playback
[16:27] <ogra_> not sure if html5 apps can already use the media-hub
[16:27] <ogra_> and without it your app stops playing if you background it
[16:28] <EdwardMorbius> ogra I see, this player would be simple though, based on folder playing, but I am guessing it would need media-hub too if you say it would stop playing if it is in the background.
[16:29] <ogra_> right
[16:29] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: phablet-test-run webbbrowser ?
[16:29] <EdwardMorbius> its qml then as I would like it to play in the background
[16:29] <tsdgeos> what's the correct name?
[16:32] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, webbrowser_app is the name of the test suite
[16:32] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, there’s also another testsuite called webapp_container
[16:32] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: tried that and didn't seem to work either
[16:32]  * tsdgeos tries again
[16:32] <tsdgeos> oh lol
[16:32] <tsdgeos> i have three b in there :D
[16:32] <tsdgeos> webbbrowser-app
[16:32] <oSoMoN> too many b’s :)
[16:32] <tsdgeos> soooorry
[16:33] <oSoMoN> you meant sorrry, right?
[16:33] <tsdgeos> right
[16:51] <dobey> Tassadar|nym: hi. seems like maybe hammerhead builds are broken for rtm or something? 14.09-proposed latest is 214, but mako has 216 now (and 215 was 2 days ago)
[17:00] <ogra_> dobey, if you like working audio you perhaps want to wait for 217 before syncin though :)
[17:00] <dobey> hmm, ok
[17:01] <dobey> anyway, time to go lay down for a day or so to hopefully get over this cold :-/
[17:01] <ogra_> uh, get well
[17:01] <dobey> thanks
[17:04]  * BOHverkill has ordered a BQ Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition :D
[17:04] <ogra_> yay
[17:06] <Se7> well done BOHverkill :)
[17:06] <BOHverkill> ;)
[17:40] <Se7> n8fr8> Se7: we're thikning about it. We played around a bit last year, but need to take a look again.
 the standard tor linux binary compiled for arm should work
 you just need a way to set proxy setitngs
 amoghbl1: sure pull requests are fine
 yes, we'll have to switch to gradle soon i suppose.
 _hc i put a new key for dev.gp.info into the
[17:41] <Se7> was a question about tor for ubuphone
[17:42] <ogra_> so your next step should be to send some patches to oSoMoN to make the browser support proxies ;)
[17:42] <Se7> on #guardianproject
[17:43] <Se7> ogra_, _hc> Se7: is there a way to set the network proxy in Ubuntu Phone?
[17:45] <ogra_> iÄm not sure if the http_proxy variable would have any effect on the UI ... the general ubuntu mechanisms surely work on the lower layer though
[17:45] <ogra_> but i guess for browser and webapps you would need additional implementation work in the webbrowser app
[17:46] <Se7> can you come in #guardianproject
[17:46] <ogra_> not today anymore, i'm about to end my day
[17:47] <Se7> right no probs :)
[17:58] <Se7> how about vpn ?
[18:00] <Se7> like openvpn will be available at some time?
[18:18] <popey> Se7: I'm sure at some point
[18:18] <Se7> tnx :)
[18:58] <DanChapman> ogra_: ouch, white text don't sound very good, I tested the upgrade like 20 times before uploading :-/. Does a reinstall solve it?
[19:07] <nik90> DanChapman: it crashed the first 3 times after the update but now seems fine. I suspect that when you switch to using the SDK new listitems (when vivid transition is complete on the phone) you should see good performance improvements.
[19:37] <DanChapman> nik90: 3 times? thats nasty! we were originally targeting vivid with these new UI changes and performance seemed pretty good on devel-proposed. Have you had a go at implementing that new bottom edge concept gventuri sent your way?
[19:41] <ogra_> DanChapman, ah, havent tried a reinstall ... i had the dark theme selected though
[19:46] <ogra_> nope, no change
[19:54] <DanChapman> ogra_: ahhh i think i know what it is now you mention the dark theme
[20:00] <DanChapman> ogra_ could you try changing preferences.theme to Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance in the ~/.config/dekko.dekkoproject.conf file. And tell me if it fixes it. I forgot that was still being set so it will most likely be screwing with the theme. If that fixes it i'll push an update
[20:53] <dragonkeeper> hello
[20:54] <dragonkeeper> new phone came today xD
[20:54] <k1l_> \o/
[20:56] <dragonkeeper> it runs so nice but, apps are needed now
[20:56] <k1l_> its called lenses. lenses
[20:56] <k1l_> ;p
[20:59] <dragonkeeper> atm im curious of android apps being put on UT
[21:00] <dragonkeeper> is it possible to easily port with/without source ?
[21:03] <nik90> dragonkeeper: which apps are your missing?
[21:04] <dragonkeeper> dont really have a list, atm its just .. ingress, bluetooth filetransfer
[21:04] <nik90> DanChapman: I had a brief go at it during the week I saw the slides. Having worked on it since. been awfully busy
[21:05] <dragonkeeper> sort of just setting up for daily device atm , not played with it much yet
[21:05] <ChloeWolfieGirl> k1l_, You mean scopes? ;)
[21:05] <k1l_> ChloeWolfieGirl: oh, yeah :)
[21:05] <asdASDs> Hi. I have a nexus 3 with ubuntu on. Now the screen is black and the blue light is blinking. Charging or pressing the power button dosnt make any change.
[21:06] <asdASDs> Do anyone have any tips on what I could do to make the phone work again? :)
[21:06] <pmcgowan> asdASDs, you mean nexus 4?
[21:06] <pmcgowan> do you have it charing with the original wall charger?
[21:06] <pmcgowan> charging
[21:07] <asdASDs> pmcgowan: Atleast the one phone which was supported best a month ago.
[21:07] <pmcgowan> I suspect it completely ran out the battery, and leaving it charging with the wall wart should get it going
[21:09] <asdASDs> pmcgowan: which light indicates its charging? And what does blue blinking mean?
[21:10] <pmcgowan> asdASDs, thats all in the firmware, I have not seen this for some time so trying to remember
[21:11] <nik90> DanChapman: I tried downloading the mockup video from the dropbox link, but it seems to have been removed. Can you upload to google drive or some place easily shareable?
[21:12] <dragonkeeper> what is everyone using as a email client , not gmail, ? and ssh client.  former being most important as i can use ssh to read emails
[21:12] <dragonkeeper> the latter should i say ;)
[21:14] <pmcgowan> asdASDs, although low batter should e the red light, you may want to try holding power button to force it to shutdown
[21:14] <nik90> dragonkeeper: try "dekko".. its a native email client which just had a new release today
[21:15] <nik90> dragonkeeper: its still in beta..and with the new 0.5 release today, the performance seems to be a bit slow but that should hopefully get better with updates
[21:15] <dragonkeeper> nik90, ill try it , thanks
[21:16] <asdASDs> pmcgowan: Problem is that I cant cut power.. as the battery is not possible to pull out. And holding down the power button dosnt make it do anything.
[21:16] <DanChapman> nik90 let me just check I have it copied somewhere.
[21:17] <nik90> DanChapman: I did remember copying it since I was playing it on 0.5x speed in vlc..but cant find it any more
[21:17]  * dragonkeeper wants ingress xD
[21:23] <dragonkeeper> nik90,  aww dekko imap only
[21:24] <nik90> dragonkeeper: yes..feel free to make feature requests at their project page https://launchpad.net/dekko ;-)
[21:25] <dragonkeeper> will do :)
[21:26] <nhaines> DanChapman: I tried Dekko about an hour ago.  It took a bit of a long wait before the interface responded after the upgrade, and that was worrisome.  But it looks very pretty now.
[21:27] <nhaines> So I do like the UI updates.  :)
[21:28] <DanChapman> nik90: can't find it :-/ popey hey ^^ would you be able to try and track down those animation videos the new edge concept. I have no idea who was the owner of them when they were on dropbox
[21:31] <DanChapman> nhaines: yes the performance is rather laggy atm. The next couple of weeks will be working on improving the apps performance before we add any more new UI features.
[21:32] <dragonkeeper> prob stupid to ask since its early days. is there maps or navigation as an app ?
[21:33] <nhaines> DanChapman: that's good to know.  I didn't play with it enough to see if it was every launch or just the first launch.  Once it loaded it worked very well.
[21:33] <nhaines> Definitely looks beautiful though.  :)
[21:33] <nhaines> dragonkeeper: the bq phones have HERE as a map.
[21:35] <dragonkeeper> yeah i have that but it doesnt want to find my location .
[21:36] <dragonkeeper> its a webapp too
[21:39] <nhaines> Test with Google Maps, too.  It should work everywhere or nowhere.
[21:45] <dragonkeeper> hmm my location is on with  gps ,wifi and mobile option ticked,  then google maps and HERE ticked to allow access ,  neither can get a location nhaines
[21:51] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, did you accept the here thing at first boot or in settings?
[21:52] <pmcgowan> if in settings you will need another reboot for it to kick in
[21:54] <dragonkeeper> pmcgowan, unsure what you mean
[21:54] <nhaines> dragonkeeper: Yup, so that tells us that it's not a problem with HERE and a problem with the location services framework, which probably just means it's disabled.
[21:54] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, when prompted by the setup wizard did you say ok for Here services
[21:55] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, that provides the agps support
[21:55] <dragonkeeper> i dont remember it asking me
[21:55] <pmcgowan> otherwise location fix is slow or not at all indoors
[21:55] <nhaines> dragonkeeper: it did ask you, though.  It's one of the last two screens.
[21:56] <fummy> nexus 5 latest devel-proposed, got battary drain close to charging speed, is that normal for this build or some bug on my side?
[21:56] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, go to settings > security > location access and see if HERE is enabled
[21:56] <nhaines> So in that case, you should look in System Settings, as indicated by pmcgowan.
[21:56] <nhaines> fummy: it's "normal".
[21:56] <nhaines> For the moment, anyway.
[21:56] <fummy> k, ty
[21:57] <dragonkeeper> using gps ....by accepting this option you accept nokia HERE terms.... ticked and here maps location access is ticked
[21:58] <pmcgowan> hm in that case you shoud get a pretty quick fix in Here and gmaps
[21:58] <pmcgowan> you do need to request it more than once generally
[21:58] <pmcgowan> first time enables the location service
[21:58] <pmcgowan> that is in the map app hit the locate button then wait a min and hit again
[22:00] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, oh, have you gotten the latest update yet?
[22:00] <dragonkeeper> yeah, 1st thing i did after wizard
[22:00] <pmcgowan> ok then should work
[22:01] <dragonkeeper> should but isnt liking me lol
[22:02] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, are you connected to wifi (sorry for all the dumb questions)
[22:02] <dragonkeeper> nope just 3g
[22:04] <pmcgowan> hmm
[22:04] <pmcgowan> that could be it
[22:05] <dragonkeeper> if u need wifi them that renders navigation void
[22:07] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, we have a bug logged that when wifi was never enabled there were problems with location
[22:07] <pmcgowan> seems you need to have it first time, which is of course wrong
[22:08] <dragonkeeper> hmm now i have a location
[22:08]  * dragonkeeper facepalams 
[22:09] <dragonkeeper> pmcgowan, so your saying if im outside i need wifi on to get location ? regardless if wifi is connected ? :s
[22:09] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, no I think this is a first time initialization issue, once it works it will work without wifi
[22:11] <dragonkeeper> hmm on , so ill disable wifi and reload HERE
[22:12] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, enable a wifi connection, use Here to get a location fix, then disable wifi
[22:13] <jgdx> hey kenvandine, if you're still got phonesim running, would you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/no-empty-contexts-1433278/+merge/254318 ?
[22:13] <dragonkeeper> i disabled and loaded here , as if im traveling i wont have a wifi connection to locate myself with , seems to work after 5 taps to locate me but position radius is enormous
[22:14] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, while I am not completely sure, I think it will work on 3g only from now on
[22:15] <dragonkeeper> i will have to have a play with it while im travelling tomorrow. kinda essential since my job requires i know where i am 24/7 lol
[22:15] <pmcgowan> if you see an innacurate location its likely because gps has not kicked in which makes it very precise
[22:15] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, please report back, hope it works for you
[22:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, since the other apn branch is blocked by glibc, maybe we bundle them together if we get it through quickly? :)
[22:16] <dragonkeeper> maybe if im in a better area ill get better signal pmcgowan
[22:16] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, a gps lock takes 5 to 10 mins
[22:16] <pmcgowan> yep
[22:30] <asdASDs> pmcgowan: the phone was fully charged, but I had to push power+volum down to get it out of the black screen+blue blinking state.
[22:34] <asdASDs> Do anyone know the delivery time on an ubuntu phone?
[22:36] <dragonkeeper> next day from email being told its being sent
[22:36] <dragonkeeper> well was for me
[22:38] <asdASDs> dragonkeeper: Where do I buy it?
[22:39] <dragonkeeper> they did flash sales on bq.com
[22:39] <asdASDs> On http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html it says Its only available in eu. And i'm in Norway. within schengen, outside EU.
[22:40] <dragonkeeper> then i dont know how you would get one, sorry
[22:40] <brunch875> tally ho!
[22:40] <asdASDs> dragonkeeper: so its possible to buy it from that page within the EU?
[22:42] <dragonkeeper> not atm , they was doing flash sales that lasted an hour or two , and there was a buy now button . its not there now
[22:42] <asdASDs> Ah, ok.
[22:42] <asdASDs> How long time is that?
[22:42] <asdASDs> time ago
[22:42] <dragonkeeper> i ordered mine at end feb
[22:43] <dragonkeeper> got it today lol
[22:43] <brunch875> neat
[22:43] <brunch875> the veredict?
[22:43] <brunch875> do you like it?
[22:44] <dragonkeeper> love it, alot smoother than ports to android ive used.  everything seems to be working alright. and i will take full advantage of the dual sim
[22:44] <brunch875> :D niiiice
[22:44] <brunch875> well hold your boots
[22:44] <brunch875> 15.04 is coming
[22:44] <brunch875> with maassive updates
[22:45] <dragonkeeper> eta?
[22:45] <brunch875> ~ 22 next month?
[22:45] <asdASDs>  Oh. I want it even more now.
[22:45] <dragonkeeper> :)
[22:45] <brunch875> I read someone said the date yesterday
[22:45] <brunch875> but my memory is really poor
[22:46] <dragonkeeper> only thing ive seen blank so far is notification bar. files tab.. whats that for ? transfers?
[22:46] <brunch875> downloads
[22:46] <nhaines> It's supposed to be.
[22:46] <brunch875> probably transfers too
[22:46] <dragonkeeper> ah makes sense
[22:46] <brunch875> but I've seen it go green when downloading stuff
[22:46] <brunch875> which reminds me, there are some apps you should download
[22:46] <brunch875> which in all honesty should come as default
[22:46] <brunch875> such as the PDF reader
[22:47] <brunch875> man, that really rocked my socks last night
[22:47] <nhaines> Negative.  I don't want or need a PDF reader.
[22:47] <brunch875> I was doing late homework and I had to tab between the internet browser and a big PDF
[22:47] <dragonkeeper> yh this bq phone didnt even arrive with file manager as stock
[22:47] <brunch875> I remember how that used to kill my android
[22:47] <brunch875> but tabbing here was smooth and instant
[22:48] <brunch875> just like a pc with a little screen
[22:48] <nhaines> I don't want or need a file manager, either.  That's what the terminal's for.  :)
[22:48] <nhaines> What I *would* like is a way to filter the Ubuntu App Store for Ubuntu Core Apps.
[22:48] <dragonkeeper> id agree if terminal emu came installed as stock
[22:48] <nhaines> Negative, most people don't want or need a terminal.
[22:49] <brunch875> it's probably a bad idea to ship terminal as default
[22:49] <brunch875> that scares people off
[22:49] <nhaines> I like the way the bq phone shipped.  Phone apps included, and go and grab the extras you want.
[22:49] <dragonkeeper> "its so user friendly ... i dont like that"
[22:50] <dragonkeeper> lmao
[22:50] <nhaines> Besides, this way there's no fights between OEMs, carriers, and Canonical about terminals.
[22:50] <nhaines> It's simply impossible to keep a user who wants a terminal from downloading one and having full system control, and meanwhile there's no liability on the carriers or vendors.
[22:50] <nhaines> Everybody wins.
[22:51] <brunch875> :D
[22:52] <dragonkeeper> , so do you have to use the store or can i grab a term and apt-get ?
[22:52] <brunch875> you *can*
[22:52] <brunch875> but there are buts
[22:52] <brunch875> for starters, anything which belongs to root is read-only
[22:53] <brunch875> you can (with ease) make the phone read-write
[22:53] <brunch875> which isn't too much of a good idea
[22:53] <brunch875> it disables delta OTA opdates
[22:53] <dragonkeeper> o.O
[22:54] <brunch875> from what I know the only way to revert from this state is to re-flash
[22:54] <jgdx> you can still get those by using udf, though, right?
[22:54] <brunch875> ubuntu is transitioning from debian packages to click packages
[22:54] <nhaines> brunch875: you can't.  The terminal isn't available as a debian package, so it has to be via the store.
[22:54] <nhaines> And Ubuntu is *not* transitioning away from debian packages.
[22:55] <brunch875> is it not?
[22:55] <nhaines> No.
[22:55] <nhaines> They can't.  It's how Ubuntu images are built, at minimum.  :)
[22:55] <brunch875> I've read some articles about it to ease it a bit with the dependency nightmare
[22:55] <nhaines> But when Unity 8 is available on the desktop, they will *add* click/snappy packages.
[22:56] <brunch875> that's what I meant
[22:56] <brunch875> of course debian packages will stay around for long
[22:56] <nhaines> Not to hear some news sites talk.  :)
[22:57] <brunch875> STILL, today I installed binutils using dpkg on the ubuntu phone
[22:57] <brunch875> so apt-get DOES work
[22:57]  * dragonkeeper hugs gentoo "we dont need packages" xD
[22:57] <brunch875> but it's perhaps a better idea to install your stuff on your home directory instead of /usr/share
[22:58] <brunch875> so you don't turn off the readonly method
[22:58] <brunch875> that adds to security
[22:58] <brunch875> and apt-get upgrade breaks the system from what I've heard
[22:58] <nhaines> It does.
[22:59] <dragonkeeper> hmm ok what does the developer option do ? does that effect ota ?
[22:59] <brunch875> developer mode is just like in android
[22:59] <nhaines> No.  It allows adb access to the phone.
[22:59] <dragonkeeper> ah ok
[22:59] <nhaines> phablet-screeshot is kinda nice, even if VolUp+VolDn works now.  :D
[23:00] <brunch875> I'm really excited about the new packaging methods the ubuntu team is leaning towards
[23:00] <dragonkeeper> its like u read my mind...with a delay
[23:00] <brunch875> especially after hearing torvalds talk about it
[23:00] <brunch875> he's a very angry person but he's right :D
[23:00] <dragonkeeper> i was pressing power + volup/down to try take a scrreny
[23:11] <dragonkeeper> so is there an app to send and get files over sftp ?
[23:26] <tmpRAOF> dragonkeeper: There's always the terminal :)
[23:27] <dragonkeeper> i know, got alot of files to get , wondering if there was a better way to do it wirelessly
[23:29] <RAOF> Well, any sftp client will be able to push files to the device.
[23:29] <RAOF> (I think you might need to be running developer mode for ssh to be enabled?)
[23:32] <dragonkeeper> hmm ok
[23:32] <dragonkeeper> does user have a known default pass?
[23:32] <nhaines> No.
[23:32] <nhaines> Or maybe 'phablet'.
[23:32] <nhaines> But your sudo password will be your PIN code.
[23:33] <RAOF> Is also your password for the phablet user.
[23:34] <dragonkeeper> hmm ok ill see
[23:41] <dragonkeeper> cant seem to get it working
[23:42] <dragonkeeper> ah
[23:42] <dragonkeeper> Permission denied (publickey).
[23:43] <ahoneybun> dragonkeeper: are you ssh keys on lp?
[23:44] <dragonkeeper> lp?
[23:45] <ahoneybun> launchpad
[23:45] <dragonkeeper> i just started the ssh service on UT . not moved or saved anything
[23:46] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:48] <dragonkeeper> guess i need to make a key on the device
[23:50] <ahoneybun> dragonkeeper: are you just trying to start the service?
[23:50] <dragonkeeper> i want to connect a client to the phone . service is started but auth fails on publickey
[23:59] <SharpBombsMC> Hey guys!
[23:59] <dragonkeeper> o/