[00:28] <daftykins> diddledan: did y'hear about X-Files coming back!? http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1427227397/XFiles2015.gif 8D
[00:34] <zmoylan-pi> 6 episodes... not enough time for them to investigate why it went off air :-)
[00:34] <daftykins> http://b3ta.com/images/challenge/xfiles_large.jpg
[01:52] <m0nkey_> Samsung 850 EVO 500GB for $250. Should I?
[01:55] <daftykins> mmm, EVOs have had firmware flaws but the 850 possibly uses 3D V-NAND TLC
[01:55] <daftykins> i still don't like any SSD that uses TLC
[01:59] <m0nkey_> you're the second person to say don't like TLC, but can you come up for a reason for not liking TLC?
[02:03] <daftykins> indeed, shorter life span due to far iffier voltage for reading the NAND in shorter time, which many of the firmwares trip up on causing performance to trail off very quickly versus MLC
[02:10] <m0nkey_> Thing is, my use case is mostly reading from the drive. And to be fair, I'd probably replace it in 2-3 years. I can't see myself putting a heavy workload on it.
[02:10] <m0nkey_> Heck, I still have my 4 year old Sandisk SSD and it's still working like a champ.
[02:12] <m0nkey_> The EVO line also has a 5 year warranty.
[02:13] <daftykins> fair enough!
[02:13] <daftykins> might only be the 840 EVO affected by the firmware issue too, not sure
[02:14] <m0nkey_> The 850 certainly makes improvements.
[02:14] <m0nkey_> Most reviews say that TLC 3D-NAND is close to Planar MLC in terms of endurance.
[02:16] <m0nkey_> One review has calculated that with a lifespan of about 20GB/day written, the 500GB would last 93.5years.
[02:16] <m0nkey_> I don't write 2GB/day
[02:17] <m0nkey_> If it's still on sale tomorrow, I'll probably get it.
[02:22] <zmoylan-pi> if it's not spinning you miss out on knowing the exact moment it fails :-) http://i.imgur.com/X39IsHJ.gif
[02:30] <ali1234> you might write 2GB a day, if swap is on the SSD
[02:31] <ali1234> anyway i don't trust those lifespan tests
[02:31] <ali1234> a better test would be to fill up 90% of the drive and then blast the remaining 10%...
[02:32] <zmoylan-pi> they're mtbfs, not lifespans, aren't they?
[02:32] <ali1234> i mean that test where they just wrote as fast as possible until failure
[02:32] <daftykins> they sell based on a number of program/erase cycles
[02:32] <daftykins> i think
[02:32] <ali1234> yeah they do, and those are much lower than what the review found
[02:33] <daftykins> mmhmm
[02:33] <zmoylan-pi> cause you can buy a drive and have it die 5 minutes after you plug it in.  i had one annoying little seagate that died 1 week after i got just after i had finished copying all my media to it...
[02:34] <daftykins> aww
[02:34] <daftykins> yeah you almost need to give a new storage device a good workout before trusting it
[02:34] <zmoylan-pi> i invented a few new swear words that day i can tell you :-)
[02:35] <daftykins> like i'm seeing with that new array, having killed one of 8 already..
[02:35] <ali1234> i always dd over news drives a couple of times if i can
[02:35] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: some amusing ones that rhyme with 'seagate' i hope?
[02:35] <zmoylan-pi> copying a few tb onto a drive is a workout
[02:35] <ali1234> (not ssds though)
[04:11] <mapps> hi all
[04:17] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[04:21] <mapps> had a pay review tday;D
[04:29] <mapps>  so my parcel is at the parcel depot.'held' at customs..think its because my dad didnt do a customs declaration..it's just a phone..they havent tried to deliver it..if I walk down to the depot with my passport and tracking number will i be able to collect it? I mean il happily open it infront of people - it would have been scanned when it got into the country
[04:29] <mapps> anyone have any experience in this area/any idea
[04:46] <zmoylan-pi> closest was when a mate ordered a grapple hook online and had to pick it up at postoffice when they didn't deliver it
[04:46] <zmoylan-pi> i suspect you'll need a your wallet in case some duty needs to be paid on it
[04:52] <mapps> i hope no duty has to be paid..cost £45 in postage..haven't had a card to say they tried to deliver or anything just noticed when i checked the tracking reference
[04:53] <mapps> you think if i go with passport/reference and wallet (if need to pay) theyll locate the parcel for me?
[04:53] <mapps> it would've been x-rayed when it got to the airport anyway so they know its not a bomb..just my dad didnt know he had to do a customs declaration..dont know how seriously they take that
[04:53] <zmoylan-pi> i mean in ireland when that happens you they usually deliver it and you can pay the duty at the door.  have heard of that happening to people.
[04:54] <mapps> yea ive had that in the UK
[04:54] <mapps> ]but the thing is here my dad didnt put any declaration form on it and it aays it can take longer/make it get returned to the sender or just a delay while they investigate it
[04:54] <zmoylan-pi> maybe gibraltar has some other law in effect?
[04:54] <mapps> as i say im happy to open it infront of them :Z
[04:56] <mapps> just hope i dont go there and get the run around..red tape..beurocracy and basically come out empty handed with no answers
[04:56] <mapps> they MUST know its safe no? surely zmoylan-pi if there were any doubts over it they wouldnt let it past gatwick or out of the airport here?
[04:56] <zmoylan-pi> how did they tell you the package was held at customs?  did they tell you what to do or who to contact?
[04:56] <mapps> they didn;t
[04:56] <mapps> ive had no contact nothing..no delivery card
[04:57] <mapps> but i checked the tracking number got here sunday and just says held
[04:57] <zmoylan-pi> well i don't think it's a safety thing, just a duty thing
[04:57] <mapps> which i think means held at the parcel depot it's obviously in the country
[04:57] <zmoylan-pi> email the delivery company?
[04:57] <mapps> yea if i was safety i dont think it would even have left the UK or got through security at airport
[04:57] <mapps> prob be a waste of time
[04:57] <mapps> emailed gib telecom and they take weeks to get back
[04:57] <mapps> all relaxed and slow here
[04:58] <zmoylan-pi> less of a waste than going there and coming back empty handed?
[04:58] <mapps> its only a 5min walk though
[04:58] <mapps> so thats no too bad
[04:58] <mapps> just dont know what they do in these situations..will they deliver me a card tio say to come..will it be unpacked by them and delivered..no idea..
[04:58] <mapps> and i dont want to leave it and they send it back lol
[04:58] <mapps> so i guess no choice but to go tomorrow and hope i get someone sensible
[04:59] <zmoylan-pi> someone sensible... civil servant...
[05:01] <mapps> :D
[05:01] <mapps> i can hope
[05:05] <mapps> :D
[05:09] <zmoylan-pi> search online for deliveries gibraltar held at customs and see if a solution is mentioned?
[05:09] <mapps> i did
[05:09] <mapps> couldnt find much help when it says customs i think it means parcel depot as they have customs people there
[05:09] <mapps> dont think its actually at the border sorta speak
[05:11] <mapps> if i could've ordered to gibraltar in the first instance i would have =[
[05:19] <zmoylan-pi> no one said the system had to make sense
[05:25] <mapps> true
[05:25] <mapps> crazy you cant order to gib really
[05:25] <mapps> i mean £45 postage lol
[05:27] <zmoylan-pi> for that amont of money you could attach a rasp pi with gps and a motor with a solar panel and have it ship itself by sea from uk :-)
[05:28] <mapps> ;]
[05:32] <mapps> hoping no duty to pay..it cost enough shipping already=[[[
[05:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's a phone, it fits in so many categorys, communications device, luxury, fashion, computer that they'll find some duty to slap on it
[05:41] <mapps> cant find much useful
[05:41] <mapps> wiki says between 10-12%
[05:42] <mapps> cant se3e much on the gib post website or the hmgov thing
[07:09] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:34] <diplo> Morning all
[07:37] <knightwise> hey diplo
[07:37] <knightwise> how are you today
[07:42] <knightwise>  doing ok. Fired up the dual screen workstation , had coffee , listening to U2 ... i'm awake baby !
[07:42] <knightwise> oh wait ..
[07:42] <knightwise> i'm not that awake .. I just answered my own question #failfailfail
[07:56] <Guest21557> morning all
[07:57] <MooDoo> try again, morning all
[08:00] <knightwise> mornin MooDoo
[08:05] <diplo> Morning knightwise :) Sorry said morning and then went off to do pre work stuff :)
[08:06] <LetsGoGo> http://ebay.eu/1D0pZOb nuff said.
[08:06] <LetsGoGo> leaves.
[09:08] <Myrtti> I wonder if it's possible to hook up ordnance survey etc. data on Cities: Skylines map modder... would make it more fun
[09:08] <Myrtti> maybe even a bit more useful than minecrafting it
[09:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: got your spy camera then
[09:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning dude :)
[09:34] <knightwise> hey everyone
[09:34] <knightwise> so a stupid question : Can you order the ubuntu phone yet ?
[09:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:35] <lornajane> I think so, I saw a photo of it on facebook, jontheniceguy has one
[09:35] <bigcalm> knightwise: there are flash sales
[09:35] <bigcalm> Hey lornajane :)
[09:35] <DJones> knightwise: Supposed to be a flash sale today
[09:35] <bigcalm> Mine arrived yesterday while I was at the office
[09:36] <DJones> knightwise: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/581004174491430913
[09:36] <knightwise> So with flash sale you mean : up for grabs ?
[09:36] <DJones> http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html
[09:36] <bigcalm> knightwise: go and buy one now while the "Purchase" button is on that page
[09:37] <lornajane> hey bigcalm :)
[09:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes, it arrived
[09:37] <popey> http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html
[09:37] <popey> \o/
[09:38] <popey> delayed reaction
[09:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: \o/
[09:38] <bigcalm> I have a feeling that most of the apps on my phone are now just web containers. I can't tell what's local and what isn't. Guess it doesn't matter too much
[09:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: and initial thoughts
[09:38] <bigcalm> popey: I like your youtube app
[09:38] <bigcalm> But I haven't worked out how to go "back" from an action
[09:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's nice. The swiping isn't always accurate though
[09:39] <lornajane> bigcalm: honestly I think that's the future.  SmashingConf was all about how mobile web was going to leapfrog apps, be bookmarkable, and the world would change
[09:39] <lornajane> the big side-effect there I think is that it makes it realistic to get outside of the android or iphone ecosystems
[09:40] <bigcalm> I can see its use
[09:40] <lornajane> (for most things, I lost custody of my android phone in the pub when my firefox OS husband wanted to play space team)
[09:40] <bigcalm> I don't long for "native" apps. But I also don't have a sim in this phone. So it needs a wifi connection to work :)
[09:40] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:40] <MooDoo> come on sun, you know you want to come out
[09:41]  * bashrc hankers for native apps
[09:41] <lornajane> I am android and use a lot of native apps but mostly as adaptive technology where I can't interact with the webpages - many of them would be fine as mobile web
[09:42] <bigcalm> I'd like to see the Garmin connect app come to Ubuntu
[09:42] <knightwise> Boom ! Ordered
[09:42] <popey> bigcalm: hehe
[09:44] <knightwise> AND i got the invoice !
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:50] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:50] <bigcalm> Is there a more local twitter app than the web container one?
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:53] <MooDoo> how are you matey
[09:55] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:55] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[09:55] <brobostigon> not bad, and yourself MooDoo ?
[09:59] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yeah i'm ok thanks
[10:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: not that I know to feel free to write one though
[10:01] <popey> bigcalm: not yet
[10:03] <davmor2> popey: he's a hacker you need to encourage him to hack one ;)  bigcalm if there isn't one that meets your needs write one, I've been told that qml is very similar to web based languages ;)
[10:04] <popey> or maybe an html5 one
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning, people! Happy Make Up Your Own Holiday Day! :-D
[10:04] <davmor2> popey: we already got that ;)
[10:04] <popey> an offline one would be neat, for an online service
[10:05] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[10:05] <foobarry> popey: did you ever do the desktop pkg build of the evernote app?
[10:06] <popey> Customer Account: 21188522
[10:06] <popey> Domain Name: UBUNTUONAIR.COM
[10:06] <popey> Authorization Code: C@CA51!BA2,74D28
[10:06] <popey>  bah
[10:06] <popey> that's unfortunate
[10:07] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily it's in that ppa
[10:09] <knightwise> ~~evernote on ubuntu .. the final piece of the puzzle for my sliders empire
[10:15] <nigelb> ooooh, popey.
[10:15] <nigelb> valuable info :P
[10:17] <popey> shhh
[10:19] <foobarry> are they ready to run on 14.04? or need rebuilding?
[10:23] <popey> try it and see?
[10:23] <popey> i dont have a 14.04 machine handy
[10:23] <popey> or wait till I make a 14.04 build specifically
[10:23] <popey> which is on my list
[10:25] <foobarry> i don't see the app actually just a sdk package
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: Happy Taits day, it's like a saint georges day in that you do celebrate it, have the day off for it, or remember what day it lands on ;)
[10:27] <popey> it's called reminders-app
[10:28] <foobarry> oh thanks
[10:29] <foobarry> concerned about my doggy :( keeps whining and shaking her head and rubbing it on the floor
[10:29] <davmor2> foobarry: check it for fleas and tics
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[10:30] <foobarry> the v.e.t. will tonight
[10:30] <davmor2> foobarry: particularly in the ears
[10:30] <foobarry> we gave her flea treatment t'other day
[10:30] <foobarry> was thinking maybe ear infection
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> also possible
[10:30] <foobarry> she is scratching her ears a lot
[10:30] <foobarry> poor doggy
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> but does sound like ticks
[10:30] <foobarry> hope its not a brain tumour
[10:31] <davmor2> knightwise: reminders app plugs into evernote nicely
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> ah memories of taking first cat to the vet. 3-4 people required to capture and put her in mother shopping bag in 70s as it was only thing she couldn't escape from...
[10:32] <lornajane> my cat is pretty stupid, which helps a lot.  I just post him into his box tail-first, more than once I've had the door shut before he realises he's confused
[10:33] <zmoylan-pi> she'd hide under beds so it would require an old duster tied to a broom and waving it at her till she attacked and then pulling out the hooked cat
[10:33] <zmoylan-pi> this cat knew vet, vet spelled out, in english AND irish and could lip read it too.  she wasn't a fan...
[10:35] <foobarry> dogs can read brain waves
[10:35] <bigcalm> Where does chromium keep settings for the current user?
[10:36] <bigcalm> Not seeing anything related in ~.local/share
[10:36] <awilkins> ~/.config/chromium
[10:36] <awilkins> ?
[10:36] <bigcalm> Thanks :)
[10:36] <awilkins> Looks global in there though
[10:37] <bigcalm> It's what I needed :)
[10:40] <bigcalm> Gah
[10:41] <bigcalm> I've tried removing the local files and I've tried reinstalling chromium
[10:41] <bigcalm> But I see have a fuzzy section on the browser window
[10:42] <bigcalm> The fuzzyness stays in the same place in Chromium no matter where I move the window my 3 monitors
[10:42] <bigcalm> I'm not getting the fuzzyness in FireFox for the same web pages
[10:42] <bigcalm> This makes no sense
[10:43] <knightwise> davmor2: reminders app ?
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> but it _is_ driving you bonkers...
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> *mission accomplished* :-)
[11:08] <Myrtti> Interesting... https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GoogleUK/posts/RVxsdp8vvTB
[11:08] <foobarry> directhex: did you decide on a url yesterday?
[11:08] <directhex> steamoscommunity.org and DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES
[11:09] <directhex> i also own stephensonsrocket.horse
[11:09] <foobarry> heh
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> is mylovely.horse still available? :-)
[11:10] <directhex> NO
[11:10] <directhex> someone took it but isn't using it
[11:10] <directhex> amazing.horse is available tho
[11:10] <foobarry> vapourtrail.org is available
[11:15] <foobarry> vapour
[11:15] <foobarry> .lawyer
[11:15] <foobarry> for the eventual issues...
[11:52] <knightwi1e> sems we just ran out of flash sales
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> no more ubuntu phones today?
[11:56] <Myrtti_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00LSS5UQC/ in a lightning deal in about 3 minutes
[12:09] <mappps> hm
[12:10] <knightwi1e> mornin mappps
[12:15] <popey> wat, really, run out already!?
[12:15] <popey> says in stock here
[12:15] <popey> http://store.bqreaders.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5
[12:16] <popey> they have over 100 in stock
[12:16] <popey> (confirmed by adding 100 to my basket, many more than that fails)
[12:17]  * popey closes tab before trying to buy 17K EUR worth of phones
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> the postman would wait for you to sign that delivery...
[12:19] <knightwi1e> popey: :) you are breaking the sytem :p
[12:19] <foobarry> did they stay in the basket after closing tab?
[12:19] <popey> heh, i expect not
[12:19] <popey> try adding 100 yourself
[12:24] <foobarry> "The co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday appeared to want to "destroy the plane", French officials said."
[12:24] <foobarry> :-|
[12:24] <knightwi1e> this media attention on this whole thing is sickening
[12:25] <foobarry> breaking news culture
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> when you have 24x7 news channels you have to drag everything out to fill airspace
[12:28] <foobarry> i don't watch the news
[12:28]  * knightwi1e doesnt have cable anymore
[12:29] <foobarry> too much focus on politics and depressing stuf
[12:29]  * zmoylan-pi doesn't have tv anymore
[12:40] <shauno> I dunno, personally.  I think it's kinda warranted?  I think there's a pretty legit public interest in this
[12:49] <ali1234> so basically that re-enforced door that they put on planes after 9/11 turned out to be a bit of a problem in this case
[12:50] <shauno> not sure I'd agree. I don't think it's feasible to actually make a plane pilot-proof.  that'd be trying to solve the wrong problems
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> the americans it seems require a 2nd person to sit in the cockpit if the pilot/co pilot need to leave for any reason.  probably happen in europe after this
[12:50] <ali1234> yeah
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> but you can't make anything malicious proof, idiot proof maybe
[12:56] <foobarry> the clarkson live reporting has been excessive though
[12:56] <foobarry> a complete soap opera
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> again when you have a 24x7 news channel you look for news to fill it up
[12:57] <shauno> the clarkson bit's been weird just to see the bbc trying to report on itself in the third-person, let alone pretending to be impartial
[12:57] <popey> i remember being in a hotel in stockholm when we invaded iraq in 2003. the only en_GB channel I had was BBC news and it was relentless
[12:57] <foobarry> bbc love war
[12:58] <foobarry> when i was young, all i remember from the news is "in bosnia today.."
[12:58] <foobarry> every day for 2 yrs
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> uk wants another napolean/hitler to remind them they're great having lost it's empire
[12:58] <shauno> that's another one I think is fair though?  they're a news channel.  that's world-changing news.
[12:59] <foobarry> just wait till the queen dies
[12:59] <foobarry> they have weeks of footage already lined up
[12:59] <shauno> (it does get old really quickly when your only english channels are bbc world & cnn  lol)
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> sunday papers with extra colour supplements
[13:00] <popey> zmoylan-pi: massive generalisation fail.
[13:00] <foobarry> my wife bought a newspaper to get a bakeoff or sewing beesupplment. the paper was £2
[13:00] <davmor2> foobarry: So does cnn, itv, channel 4, channel 5, sky news, infact every channel basically
[13:00] <foobarry> she could have bougth the whole book for £3 i expect
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> it is a generalisation but i don't think its 100% wrong popey
[13:00] <popey> I don't think it's 1% right
[13:00] <foobarry> i expect itv have been reporting on one direction instead
[13:01] <popey> I dont think I could find 1 in 100 people who hold that opinion
[13:01] <popey> unless I only canvassed UKIP supporters
[13:01] <popey> or BNP
[13:01] <foobarry> depends how its worded
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> a fair few conservatives too
[13:01] <popey> praps
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> though of course we learned from yes minister that we could word any propistion in certain ways to get the numbers we wanted.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA
[13:04] <foobarry> during the WWI centenary the guardian have been falsely claimning that britian didn't need to go to war
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> i thought you were required by treaty to help the french?
[13:05] <shauno> I thought belgium were the relevant soft-spot.  being cosy with the french is a relatively modern afair
[13:12] <mappps> time to see if i can get my parcel;D
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed
[13:15] <davmor2> foobarry: the silly thing is the cost of replacing every police uniform and letterbox because they have EIIR on
[13:15] <foobarry> letterboxes don't change FAIK
[13:16] <foobarry> there's a GR one near my house
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> in a few months she takes the title of longest serving uk monarch from victoria, doesn't she?
[13:17] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: September
[13:18] <foobarry> go lizzy
[13:21] <foobarry> plus.google.com is still really slow for me for about a week...weird
[13:21] <foobarry> getting the initial page takes forever
[13:22] <davmor2> foobarry: just use your hudl :D
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> that way they can use the microphone, camera and gps to keep tabs on you
[13:36] <popey> https://blog.adafruit.com/2015/03/26/raspberry-pi-2-inside-a-mechanical-keyboard/
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> i was looking at that and was thinking of doing the same and adding a small 3-4" screen for make a z88 alike device
[13:37] <popey> awwww, z88
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> i always hankered after one when they were launched
[13:38] <TwistedLucidity> A complete computer in a keyboard? Pfft. Never happen!
[13:43] <popey> zmoylan-pi: me too
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> the dana was a more modern version i seriously thought about getting and there is a rasp pi based text editor been sold i think but they're too basic
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> i did get an amstrad nc100 for a friend who loved it
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> she was able to sit in park on sunny day and do her typing instead of sitting in office or home
[13:46] <TwistedLucidity> Mobile computing devices? Pfft. Never happen!
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> there was something very elegant about a keyboard with a tiny screen with no other distractions
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> Well, one can get a small touch screen for the Pit
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> Pi
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> but i want a full a4 sized keyboard that's fairly rugged + battery to power the whole caboodle
[13:54] <TwistedLucidity> Hmm....might be time to fab something up in a workshop?
[13:55] <zmoylan-pi> even if i stuff a battery into a keyboard and the pi and hub plus mifi ap and then use a cheap android device as a screen which i ssh into the pi for a console it might do
[14:02] <TwistedLucidity> Have the cheap tablet VNC into the Pi? Assuming you want graphics....
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> nah, i'd be happy with a console and console apps, less distracting :-)
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> sure you could browse the web in lynx but it'd be harder to be distracted :-)
[14:07] <TwistedLucidity> Wonder if any tablet have HDMI-in....
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> i didn't see one when i had a quick look
[14:12] <TwistedLucidity> Nor me. Seems 'droid don't do input. This is about the best I could find: http://hdmipi.com/
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> i have that on my pinterest as well as pilaptop and a few other home brew projects.
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> but there are a fair few smaller screens you can connect if you invest the time and effort, even old nokia 3310 screens :-)
[15:27] <mappps> yep
[15:27] <mappps> didnt get the phome
[15:27] <mappps> told theyve been busy
[15:36] <Myrtti> Meerkat Movies \o/
[15:40] <davmor2> Myrtti: Oh god no
[15:40] <Myrtti> hm?
[15:40] <Myrtti> why not?
[15:41] <davmor2> Myrtti: Meerkat Movies no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
[15:42] <Myrtti> ok then, I'm sure the cinemas are ok if you pay for two tickets for two people if you go to see a film on a Tuesday or Wednesday
[15:42] <Myrtti> it's not like they're losing money on it
[15:42] <Myrtti> more power to you?
[15:43] <lornajane> who has a favourite git gui tool for ubuntu?  I think I need something prettier than CLI tools if I'm going to screencast git things so .... suggestions?
[15:45] <awilkins_> I use gitk for log views, git-gui for commits
[15:45]  * bashrc uses magit
[15:45] <awilkins_> And CLI for everything else
[15:45] <awilkins_> But most of using Git is log views and commits
[15:45] <awilkins_> And pulls and pushes which are less interesting
[15:46] <awilkins_> And diffs/merges for which I use Beyond Compare 4
[15:47] <lornajane> I think I have gitk installed, used to show that you don't have to do ascii art if you don't want to :)
[15:50] <mappps> so 4 days isnt enough for a parcel to clear customs
[15:51] <awilkins_> I use most version control in a hybrid CLI / GUI manner
[15:51] <awilkins_> Rarely use the IDE integration because it usually sucks
[15:52] <awilkins_> The most I used to use GUI was TortoiseSVN on Windows but the various Tortoises for Git / Hg etc really blow (especially when your Windows machine is bogged down with a tonne of corporate malware)
[15:53] <awilkins_> Best visual talk for Git : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ffBJ4sVUb4
[15:55] <lornajane> I'm a vim/cli user with accessibility issues, so I have neither IDE nor GUI.  I will try all your suggestions though!
[15:57] <bigcalm> ctrl-w on the wrong window again :(
[16:04] <dutchie> lornajane: gitg is nice also
[16:06] <lornajane> thanks dutchie, I'll add to the list!
[16:16] <mappps> anyone have a nexus7 mine wont boot aggain grmpf
[16:18] <awilkins_> I had that. I just had to leave it on charge for a while.
[16:20] <dutchie> same
[16:27] <awilkins_> Must find it and stick it on charge
[16:27] <awilkins_> It's been logging into IRC on and off for 2 days
[16:27] <awilkins_> It's stopped now :-)
[16:29] <mappps> ive had it on charge for days
[16:30] <mappps> i plugged it into the USB and the google logo came up then nothing and just the backlight
[16:30] <mappps> when i plug it into the mains all i get is the backlight..was this the same with yours?
[16:50] <mappps> grmpf
[16:53] <daftykins> sounds aren't gonna fix it :P
[16:53] <daftykins> if i remember the casing comes off easy and then you can reseat the battery connector too
[17:04] <mappps> ive had this same issue befre tho and i thought it was power and vol hold them and it sorts it
[17:04] <mappps> not managing to atm
[17:05] <davmor2> mappps: try vol up and power
[17:06] <mappps> whilst plugged in or?atm plugged into mains al that happens is backlight coms on
[17:06] <mappps> unplug and press power backlight again..plug into usb on laptop and google logo comes on then just backlight
[17:42] <intrbiz> Does Ubuntu Phone have any revenue generating OTT services for Canonical?
[17:49] <popey> intrbiz: not something I'd imagine many people here to know
[17:50] <diddledan_> I would hope so. without much revenue generation canonical can't carry-on producing awesomeness for free
[17:51] <diddledan_> (I'm someone who actually thought the search integration in the dash generating revenue was a good move)
[17:53] <bigcalm> popey: does the Amazon app do this?
[17:53] <diddledan_> without income canonical can't carry-on paying our awesome popey to be awesome! :-p
[17:53] <diddledan_> reboot needed methinks. brb
[17:53]  * daftykins hands diddledan_ a handkerchief for his nose
[17:54] <popey> bigcalm: which amazon app?
[17:54] <diddledan_> daftykins: *sniffle*
[17:55] <bigcalm> popey: the one that says "Amazon"
[17:55] <bigcalm> Maybe it's just a link to the amazon.co.uk website
[17:58] <popey> it is
[18:03] <diddledan_> yey, php7 is due this year - many years late
[18:07] <intrbiz> diddledan_: and what are the main features of php7?
[18:07] <diddledan_> intrbiz: https://pages.zend.com/TY-Infographic.html
[18:07] <diddledan_> intrbiz: spaceships!
[18:08] <diddledan_> looks like speed is a prime goal too
[18:10] <intrbiz> more and more static typing
[18:15] <lornajane> PHP 7 will be fast.  It won't be strongly typed but there is much better type support
[18:16] <lornajane> fast = execution times are less than half on all the benchmarks I've run so far.  We're not alpha yet but we almost are
[18:16] <diddledan_> yeah the type hinting is just hinting - it's not strict
[18:19] <intrbiz> lornajane: is it JIT or AOT ?
[18:20] <lornajane> intrbiz: I think it's JIT ... I'm not an internals person though so don't quote me on that
[18:20] <lornajane> our big problem is that all the extensions will need updating and they're not all maintained
[18:21] <intrbiz> lornajane: need updating to support what?
[18:21] <diddledan_> intrbiz: I believe there's minor breaking changes in internal datastructures
[18:21] <intrbiz> lornajane: with a JITed runtime, is there now more of a move away from setup and tear down for each request?
[18:22] <lornajane> intrbiz: we changed the way we count zvals, apparently.  I will need to know more about this as it's a bit all hands to the pump to get things sorted
[18:22] <lornajane> intrbiz: I'm sorry, I can't answer that question
[18:24] <lornajane> intrbiz: maybe https://wiki.php.net/phpng-int would answer some of your questions?
[18:24] <diddledan_> I'm sure there'll be more info coming out closer to october too
[18:24] <diddledan_> from the timeline it looks like the main features are locked-down now?
[18:26] <lornajane> diddledan_: yep, pretty much.  Some minor tweaks but I'm expecting the first alpha within weeks
[18:26] <diddledan_> yey.
[18:26] <lornajane> the big question is whether we can ship and go stable in time for 16.04 :)  The long tail of very outdated PHP versions just gets longer and longer as far as I can tell
[18:27] <diddledan_> aye
[18:27] <lornajane> quality on PHP has increased beyond recognition over the last 5 years but I still don't think I'll be running 7.0 on any of my own live servers!
[18:27] <diddledan_> I'm still running 5.3 (might even be 5.2 - it's not out of choice)
[18:28] <lornajane> scary
[18:28] <diddledan_> my own personal stuff though is nicely up-to-date :-p
[18:29] <diddledan_> there's a specific issue with the webapp in my employer's co that for some reason makes it incompatible with later versions of php due to some interaction with sessions and the zend1 framework
[18:29] <diddledan_> I don't understand the issue tbh
[18:30] <lornajane> there are a few gotchas, I specialise in the upgrade/migration stuff and sometimes a codebase does need some changes before it's happy on a new version
[18:31] <lornajane> I'm not clear yet what the impacts will be for upgrade to PHP 7, I think for userland it will mostly be easier than the PHP 4 to PHP 5 was
[18:31] <diddledan_> I'm an advocate of keeping things up-to-date rather than letting it languish - the same webapp actually runs on gentoo which before I arrived at the company was completely unmaintained
[18:31] <lornajane> and the 5.2 to 5.3 migration is almost as bad.  Since then though, the upgrade paths have got WAY better so it's pretty easy going
[18:32] <intrbiz> it's usually less effort and lower risk to keep something upto date often than doing a large jump
[18:32] <diddledan_> it annoys me somewhat that big projects (read: wordpress) haven't dropped support for older php versions because it legitimises running unmaintained (read: security patches) php
[18:33] <lornajane> diddledan_: yes, that bothers me as well
[18:33] <lornajane> I think wordpress has the best intentions but they are perpetuating a culture that says decade-old, insecure software is good enough for users
[18:33] <lornajane> I don't think it is good enough
[18:35] <diddledan_> I get their conundrum tho, because at least 1% of their userbase is still on 5.2 so that's a LOT of sites. the problem is the hosts those sites are on don't have any reason to upgrade because wordpress runs fine, and wordpress won't drop support because those hosts are still on 5.2.
[18:35] <diddledan_> catch-22
[18:36] <lornajane> yep, awkward.  I'm of the opinion that if a new version of wordpress required 5.5, that would be OK.  We're not taking away the ability of users to run existing code on existing hosts
[18:37] <diddledan_> yeah I agree with that