| jjfrv8 | elfy, I never get the eject media prompt so I could not in good conscience fail it ;) | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | done https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer | 00:05 |
| knome | ali1234, gmb can and does search without affecting playlist. | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | i can't figure out how to do it, i doubt most users could either | 00:06 |
| knome | ali1234, use the search bar. | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | i did, it didnt work | 00:06 |
| knome | how didn't it work? | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | the search bar literally does nothing | 00:06 |
| knome | how come it does for me? | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | it also does it incredibly slowly | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, are you sure you are using the same gmb that i am? | 00:07 |
| knome | gmb 1.1.13 in xubuntu 14.10 | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | i'm still on 14.04 | 00:08 |
| knome | it worked on 14.04 as well | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | i'm sure :) | 00:08 |
| * micahg can build a backport of a newer version if needed | 00:08 | |
| knome | micahg, no need to, the feature works, i'm 100% certain of that. | 00:08 |
| micahg | ok | 00:09 |
| knome | ali1234, the only thing in that list that gmb objectively can't do is streams and podcasts | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | maybe it can do all that stuff; a normal person would have absolutely no idea HOW though, because the UI is so awful | 00:10 |
| knome | ali1234, and i don't think "attempts to ape other players..." is very objective. | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | it's entirely objective; see the rhythmbox layout - it doesn't work at all | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | it's like the developer looked at a screenshot of rhythmbox when making it | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | it *looks* like rhythmbox and that is all | 00:10 |
| knome | ali1234, see - gmb doesn't try to ape any other players... the various layouts are provided for people who *want* gmb to look something else | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | i would settle for a layout that actually works | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | unfortunately none of them do | 00:11 |
| knome | ali1234, so which layout are you using? | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | right now i'm using exaile layout | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | search bar still doesn't work | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | and no way to browse albums/artists | 00:12 |
| knome | please don't judge the application by non-default configuration | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | the default layout is completely unintelligable | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | i literally can't figure out how to use it | 00:12 |
| knome | i'm sorry. | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | i had to switch layout just to make it play music | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | and i can't even figure out how to go back to the default | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | seriously, which layout is supposed to be default? | 00:13 |
| knome | "Shimmer Desktop" | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | okay, that's basically the same as banshee/rhythmbox | 00:14 |
| knome | well... okay? | 00:14 |
| knome | does that make gmb "bad" | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | no | 00:14 |
| knome | i thought you thought so... | 00:15 |
| knome | i'm sorry if i was mistaken. | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | no, it's bad because it has the layout of banshee/rhythmbox style browser, except it doesn't work | 00:15 |
| * knome breathes slowly in and out | 00:15 | |
| ali1234 | click on an album in the rightmost pane | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | the artist pane should list only artists on that album | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | it does not | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | X | 00:16 |
| knome | in what way "should" ? | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | in the way that that's how rhythmbox and banshee work | 00:16 |
| drc | remember "big fuzzy and cudly teddy-bear" | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | and it's also how whatever they copied works | 00:16 |
| knome | ali1234, does that mean that's the "right" way? | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:16 |
| knome | because? | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | because it is better | 00:17 |
| knome | that's not a rationale | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | i will admit that in this particular layout the search bar actually works! | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | i do wonder why it works in this layout, but not others | 00:17 |
| knome | the other layouts aren't maintained by us, i have no idea. | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | you can also browse without changing the current song | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | that doesn't work in other layouts either | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | can we remove all the borken layouts? | 00:19 |
| knome | that's totally open for discussion | 00:19 |
| knome | i don't have anything against that. | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | this actually isn't bad | 00:21 |
| knome | ok, now that most of it is sorted out... | 00:21 |
| knome | the list view panes you describe | 00:21 |
| knome | are designed to work like that | 00:21 |
| knome | if you want to browse artists by album, add an album tab in the first pane | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | wat | 00:22 |
| knome | i agree that's not the first thing the new user thinks of, but otoh, it's not the first requirement either | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | there aren't any tabs in this layout | 00:22 |
| knome | right-click the pane and select "show tabs" | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | can i get rid of this pane entirely? | 00:23 |
| knome | no, the panes in that view are set by the layout | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | why do the panes look different when i set them to the same tab? | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | and why do they show different search results? | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | why is this so confusing? | 00:24 |
| knome | ok, calm down | 00:24 |
| knome | the panes are cumulatively limiting the search results | 00:24 |
| knome | when you select something from the leftmost pane, the middle and rightmost pane are filtered with that selection | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | that's super confusing | 00:25 |
| knome | to you, sounds like it, to me, not really | 00:26 |
| knome | now tell me | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | how is a typical user going to react to this? | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | *i* could probably get used to this, my parents? no chance | 00:26 |
| knome | i haven't seen many complaints about it; that doesn't mean everybody loves it, but i don't think everybody thinks it's broken either | 00:26 |
| knome | different people have different resources to adapt to new things | 00:27 |
| knome | if your parents love media player X, they should definitely use that | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | my parents don't have an opinion on media players | 00:28 |
| knome | i was just using them as example since you did that as well. | 00:28 |
| holstein | trainging can be necessary, regardless.. | 00:28 |
| holstein | training* | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | so here is how it should work | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | there should be one pane with albums and one pane with artists | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | no tabs | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | and each pane should filter all the others | 00:29 |
| knome | in your opinion | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | not this weird sequence thing | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | me and steve jobs yes :) | 00:30 |
| knome | i don't see a usecase where i select an album and then see the artist for that album | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | you select an album which is "various artists" | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | the artist pane lists only artists from that album | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | you select and artist and then select "all album" in the album pane | 00:31 |
| knome | granted, you found a usecase for that | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | now you see all songs by that artist | 00:31 |
| knome | i don't have a lot of collections, that's not useful for me | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | the main point here is that my system does everything that your system can do, is simpler to use, and can do more things | 00:31 |
| knome | that's possible. | 00:31 |
| knome | but please don't tell gmb "can't do that" | 00:32 |
| knome | or the other thing | 00:32 |
| knome | if it can... | 00:32 |
| knome | as you noticed, with the default layout, most things worked ootb | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | it can't do it in any of the layouts included... | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i will give you that | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | the default isn';t quite as bad as i remembered | 00:32 |
| knome | but really, the other thing is that gmb has lots of features that aren't necessarily the most important ones, or announced very loudly | 00:33 |
| knome | for example, google styled search | 00:33 |
| knome | eg. type: "year:2010" in the search bar | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | okay, wiki updated | 00:36 |
| knome | the next question is that whether the filtering in panes is really something that a media player needs to do - especially if it's a core requirement.... | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | yes, it is | 00:37 |
| knome | for you | 00:37 |
| knome | for me, nope | 00:37 |
| knome | for a regular user? i don't know | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | if they don't filter there is no point in them even being there | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | then you've just got a flat list of every song | 00:38 |
| knome | the panes filter in gmb - in one direction | 00:38 |
| ali1234 | only in some layouts | 00:38 |
| ali1234 | in the rhythmbox layout they don't filter at all | 00:38 |
| knome | let's keep the discussion on the default layout we're using | 00:38 |
| knome | because we still aren't maintaining the other ones | 00:38 |
| ali1234 | filtering in one direction is better than nothing, but it's still awkward | 00:39 |
| knome | awkward or not, everybody can judge that themself | 00:39 |
| ali1234 | they can judge it, but they can't do anything about it... | 00:39 |
| knome | as much as they can't do anything about the things other media players do in an unnatural way for them | 00:40 |
| holstein | sounds like you have a great idea, ali1234 .. you can always make and release your own linux.. based on as much of xubuntu/ubuntu as you like | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | in this case there is something to be said for opinionated design | 00:41 |
| holstein | what i typically do, for my folks, or friend/family.. i'll setup things as i think they want.. and test.. and i'll still end up swapping things out here and there | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | what is "intersection mode"? | 00:45 |
| knome | i thought we were looking at the core, required features | 00:45 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't seem to be a very good way to pick a media player, since they all have pretty much the same features | 00:46 |
| knome | ali1234, then shouldn't we just keep gmb, because it has the same features as all others and does its job? | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | no, because it has an extremely confusing UI | 00:47 |
| knome | that's your opinion. | 00:47 |
| holstein | its easy to swap out | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | i am not easily confused by user interfaces | 00:47 |
| holstein | i bet you can go upstream and see if you can contribute to a "ui team" or whatever | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | "intersection mode" does not appear to do anything | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | holstein: i doubt it since the first thing i would do is remove 90% of it | 00:48 |
| holstein | ali1234: sure.. fork it, then | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | then we can have yet another option to discuss | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | https://xkcd.com/927/ | 00:49 |
| holstein | well, "we" wont.. since, i just install vlc, personally and dont care to try and make anybuntu have it by default.. | 00:49 |
| holstein | i just add what i prefer.. works nice | 00:49 |
| knome | holstein, please, that isn't constructive eitehr | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | i just clicked on "find songs with same artists" and now i've lost all my library and no idea how to get it back | 00:51 |
| ali1234 | when i click that it should select "all albums" in the album pane and that artist in the artist pane | 00:52 |
| ali1234 | but instead it removes everything from both panes | 00:52 |
| ali1234 | "jump to playing song" isn't anywhere in the shimmer layout | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | gonna have to turn that one back to an X since we're only considering that layout... | 00:53 |
| knome | yes sir. | 00:53 |
| knome | i would think it would be more productive if you actually focused on other apps you don't per se hate to keep yourself calm and productive | 00:54 |
| knome | well that was a lot of productivity in one sentence, but that's what we're really after | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | well i already added a row for rhythmbox | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | if i added a row for banshee that would also be ticks all the way along | 00:55 |
| knome | is this some kind of game? | 00:55 |
| knome | "if i added..." | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | i'm just attempting to do what you asked | 00:56 |
| drc | The question I have is: Is the wiki page that ali1234 added and the criteria listed there now the official criteria for audio player criteria? | 00:56 |
| drc | Becasue he added a bit from the last (Gridcube's ?) page. | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | yeah i used the old page as a starting point | 00:57 |
| knome | it's ali1234's vision of the requirements | 00:57 |
| GridCube | ? | 00:57 |
| GridCube | i what? | 00:57 |
| knome | not necessarily the final requirements the team will base the decisions | 00:57 |
| micahg | banshee is a non-starter, it's in mono | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | noted. | 00:57 |
| Unit193 | Ouch. | 00:57 |
| micahg | though I do happen to really like it :) | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | that's why i didn't bother adding it before | 00:57 |
| Unit193 | Nightingale! :P | 00:58 |
| Unit193 | Oh dang, wrong channel. | 00:58 |
| knome | Unit193, you're recorded. | 00:58 |
| micahg | 3rd copy of mozilla core code? | 00:58 |
| knome | i'm sure Unit193 was joking. | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | Yes, though it's a decent player. | 00:59 |
| drc | GridCube: I was referencing this old wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/DefaultMediaPlayer | 01:00 |
| GridCube | drc, :) yes thanks | 01:00 |
| drc | And you were listed a "Assignee" | 01:00 |
| GridCube | yes, from the time when i bothered to try to convince people | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | who wrote the rant about gmb on that page? it wasn't me :) | 01:01 |
| GridCube | i just dont see any sense to it anymore | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | i can guess who added the rebuttals | 01:01 |
| knome | ali1234, this isn't a guessing game | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | yay i got my library back | 01:02 |
| ali1234 | you have to right click in one of the panes and then click on "set as primary filter" | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | Also, Shimmer set a layout for gmb, I'm sure that'd be open for improving? | 01:03 |
| knome | definitely. | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | shimmer desktop is a pretty good effort. could do with a big "clear all searches" button though | 01:06 |
| knome | ali1234, try the x at the search box | 01:06 |
| ali1234 | not obvious enough. search box is empty, i wouldn't expect that x to do anything | 01:07 |
| holstein | nothing, at all? | 01:07 |
| ali1234 | x on a text field means clear the text in the field | 01:07 |
| holstein | i see those on touch UI's a lot.. maybe thats the inspiration | 01:07 |
| GridCube | ali1234, you are expecting gmb to make sense, you should already stop doing that | 01:07 |
| ali1234 | if there's no text in the field already | 01:07 |
| ali1234 | then what would it do? | 01:08 |
| ali1234 | fact is, it does actually reveal all my library again, but it's totally unexpected | 01:08 |
| Unit193 | Wait, no text in the field and you're expected to know the X clears searches (that haven't been made, because nothing shown?) | 01:08 |
| GridCube | ali1234, because you are not seeing your library, you are seeing a playlist | 01:08 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 01:08 |
| ali1234 | GridCube: no, actually i'm not | 01:09 |
| GridCube | yes, yes you do | 01:09 |
| ali1234 | the playlist is another thing entirely, and it is empty because i never use playlists | 01:09 |
| ali1234 | shall i make a video? | 01:09 |
| GridCube | no, theres where you are wrong | 01:09 |
| GridCube | you are always using playlists on gmb | 01:09 |
| ali1234 | so there's playlists and also a queue? | 01:09 |
| GridCube | yes | 01:09 |
| ali1234 | and they are different? | 01:09 |
| GridCube | who knows | 01:09 |
| ali1234 | no, i'm pretty sure what i am seeing is a filtered list of songs | 01:10 |
| GridCube | anyway i said several times i would not get to bash on gmb away | 01:10 |
| ali1234 | and then i can drag them on to the queue | 01:10 |
| GridCube | so ill stop | 01:10 |
| GridCube | because it makes no sense | 01:10 |
| knome | GridCube, as ali1234 said, playlists are a completely different thing | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | the problem is that there's no feedback between the top panes and the filter view | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | often you can have a search in effect with no visual indication at all | 01:11 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Heh, sure. Glad to help. Considered moving the branches to xubuntu-dev/+junk, but wasn't sure you wanted that and it'd confuse you too. | 02:37 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: we can do that, sure | 02:37 |
| bluesabre | you're good at cleaning things up and reducing/hiding cruft | 02:38 |
| Unit193 | I'm randomly OCD.. | 02:38 |
| Unit193 | But, thanks. | 02:47 |
| Ethan | Hello | 07:29 |
| === Ethan is now known as Guest5496 | ||
| ochosi | morning | 07:29 |
| ochosi | elfy: seems like the eject media bug is fixed | 07:30 |
| Unit193 | cyphermo attempted one. | 07:30 |
| === Guest5496 is now known as type3 | ||
| Unit193 | http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=a6dd7d7171367f0e9af29152ccd1bfc0e6279b09 oooh. | 07:35 |
| type3 | I'm a university student and a Xubuntu user and I'd like to contribute. How can I learn to help? | 07:40 |
| ochosi | type3: hello and welcome. this is a good starting point: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ | 07:45 |
| type3 | Thank you. I'm getting started with that now | 07:51 |
| type3 | ochosi: | 07:52 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 07:52 |
| ochosi | you can always ask for help here though if you get stuck | 07:53 |
| type3 | this is fun though I haven't used an irc in several years | 07:53 |
| ochosi | one of the more important things you have to ask yourself while going through these pages is what it is you want/can do | 07:53 |
| type3 | I know I want to develop. I've been getting a lot better with C and want to use it somewhere outside the classroom where I can help other people | 07:54 |
| Unit193 | That'd likely be more with upstream Xfce. | 07:55 |
| type3 | Is there anything I can do to help xubuntu directly? | 07:56 |
| type3 | I woudn't mind checking that out though | 07:57 |
| Unit193 | Yey! Just purged gst0.10, poor xfburn was the only thing caught in the crossfire. | 07:57 |
| ochosi | type3: some of us contribute to xfce directly, which makes the most sense if you wanna do some c coding. what you'll definitely need to learn though is gtk/glib along with c | 08:02 |
| ochosi | so yeah, we can still help you with getting into that though | 08:02 |
| type3 | ochosi: that sounds like it would be a lot of fun actually, I'm sold | 08:03 |
| Unit193 | Now I really want to bribe Sean to at least look at removing gst0.10 from Xfburn. :P | 08:04 |
| ochosi | what is happening at the moment @xfce is that we've started porting the apps from gtk2 to gtk3 for the next stable release | 08:04 |
| Unit193 | type3: Which of course ends up helping out Xubuntu a lot. | 08:04 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i'd say bountysource is your friend ;) maybe we should really consider running fund-raising campaigns for things like these... | 08:05 |
| Unit193 | Not really, I never use Xfburn. I'd just like it off the ISO. | 08:05 |
| ochosi | hehe | 08:07 |
| ochosi | what's the status quo of pidgin? | 08:07 |
| Unit193 | I've been testing it a couple days no issues (at least crashes), and considering Fedora is using the same patch I am, I would really like to see this in wombat. | 08:08 |
| Unit193 | I could look into popping it into staging, but it's not really Xubuntu specific. | 08:09 |
| type3 | I really appreciate the help. I'm getting started with gtk2 now | 08:18 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Basically, gmb is already fixed in Wombat, Pidgin easily could be, and that's all the others for us. Would be pretty cool IMO. | 08:20 |
| ochosi | type3: another hint is to start with a small app, just start looking into the code. also: don't get into gtk2 too deep, we're moving *away* from that :) | 08:31 |
| ochosi | Unit193: totally agreed | 08:31 |
| type3 | ochosi: ha I understand, it just took me awhile to find something up to date | 08:33 |
| type3 | Finally got one on the gnome site. Again, thank you for the help, I'm going to keep working at it but I have to sign off | 08:43 |
| ochosi | sure, hf and ttyl | 08:44 |
| type3 | ttyl | 08:45 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, upstream xfburn dev on gst1.0 support "No progress yet. It's on my radar, but I've been pretty busy recently again." | 08:48 |
| Noskcaj | so if sean doesn't get it, it will hopefully be done for 15.10 anyway | 08:49 |
| ochosi | hm, i wouldn't rely on squisher entirely | 08:51 |
| Unit193 | "On the radar" in terms of Xfce can mean a couple months to a few years. | 08:51 |
| ochosi | i haven't seen him around a lot lately | 08:51 |
| elfy | ochosi: so new image, vbox install - screen corruption at finish no idea what's going on - kill the machine and it does remove the install media | 08:56 |
| ochosi | hmm | 08:56 |
| elfy | that said - not our issue still :) | 08:56 |
| ochosi | yeah :) | 08:56 |
| elfy | just doing kvm now | 08:56 |
| ochosi | well not *only* our issue :] | 08:56 |
| elfy | yea - implication being we don't have to fix it - totally our issue :p | 08:57 |
| elfy | unless it is only seen with xub - not got time to double check that | 08:57 |
| elfy | kvm - hangs on restart | 09:04 |
| elfy | hardware - bug 1436715 | 09:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1436715 in casper (Ubuntu) "Vivid DVD fails to reboot or shutdown w/o hard reset" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436715 | 09:23 |
| elfy | if people get the chance to at least smoketest the 32 bit stuff that would help | 09:32 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, Noskcaj, Unit193: I could probably work on that port | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | not sure how difficult it'd be, so no promises | 10:43 |
| Unit193 | Would using mencoder or something else work better? libav? | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | porting gstreamer versions is not particularly difficult, it just depends on how much custom stuff there is in there | 10:46 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I only know gstreamer :) | 10:48 |
| ochosi | not sure it's more fun porting to something new/different than just to a different version of the same thing | 10:50 |
| Unit193 | I was thinking one might work better. :P | 10:51 |
| Unit193 | How would one turn off smooth scrolling in mousepad? | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | better than xfburn? its the most reliable burner for me | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: not sure its possible, thats baked into gtk3 | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | there is a way to disable gtk3 animations | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | somewhere | 10:53 |
| ochosi | maybe an xsetting | 10:53 |
| ochosi | or a gtk setting | 10:54 |
| ochosi | but yeah, use the gtk2 version if you dislike that sort of scrolling | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-enable-animations | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | so maybe in xsettings/Gtk | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | EnableAnimations | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | ? | 10:55 |
| Unit193 | Yep, thanks. Found the same page based on your comment. Too bad you can't delete entries with that tool too though. | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | oh, that did work? | 11:00 |
| Unit193 | Looks like it at least. | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | neat | 11:00 |
| ochosi | at some point we have to consider which of these options to expose in xfce4-settings UI | 11:03 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 11:03 |
| ochosi | lunchtime (finally) | 11:06 |
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| bluesabre | guessing this has already been seen, but xfdesktop is drawing icons on ubiquity | 11:25 |
| Unit193 | Uhhh..? | 11:26 |
| bluesabre | http://i.imgur.com/dWGB0Bb.png | 11:27 |
| === Logan_ is now known as Logan | ||
| Unit193 | Very nice... | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | also had the installer freeze once it finished and I pressed ok, never saw the end terminal | 11:48 |
| bluesabre | for those interested, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1436816 | 12:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1436816 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity freezes the UI when intstallation is finished and Restart is clicked" [Undecided,New] | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | gotta run, bbl | 12:05 |
| elfy | dupe of bug 1436715 probably | 12:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1436715 in casper (Ubuntu) "Vivid DVD fails to reboot or shutdown w/o hard reset" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436715 | 12:32 |
| jjfrv8 | elfy, 32-bit installs fine on my laptop and desktop. | 12:56 |
| jjfrv8 | I use UNetbootin to make my sticks and I've never seen an eject media prompt when using them to install on hardware. | 12:56 |
| ubuntu-studio | Kak izmenit yazik v ubuntu studio& | 13:04 |
| ubuntu-studio | ? | 13:04 |
| GridCube | please speak in english | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | "jump to playing song" doesn't work in any player that i have tested so far | 14:51 |
| drc | ali1234: Jumping in the middle here without a recent log...have you tried Exaile? It's called "Show Playing Track" (CTRL-J :) and it just worked for me. | 15:00 |
| ali1234 | yes, it didn't work | 15:01 |
| ali1234 | test results are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer | 15:01 |
| drc | interesting. | 15:01 |
| ali1234 | oh look, a bug in the wiki | 15:02 |
| ali1234 | the footnote numbers don't match up correctly | 15:03 |
| drc | ali1234: JUst a suggestion, but you might want to add a column (or add to notes) stating which version is being tested. | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | good idea | 15:03 |
| drc | All I know is that the "Jump" options works for me in Exaile 3.3.2 (I know it's not the latest, I boot iin a bit to a distro that I know has a later version). | 15:05 |
| ali1234 | i'll be reporting bugs for everything that doesn't work, with videos | 15:05 |
| ali1234 | after i've reported the bug in the wiki | 15:06 |
| drc | actually, I think I'll grab the latest daily (seing as how the beta2 isn't out yet) and try Exaile there. | 15:07 |
| drc | seeing as how that's the version that'll be the version shipping. | 15:07 |
| drc | nah, doesn't support MPRIS, why bother? | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | maybe it does in the newest version? | 15:15 |
| drc | Pretty sure, in my playing with earlier dailies, that it didn't show up in the volume applet/widget, so I'm guessing no (but you're correct, I'll try it in today's daily) | 15:17 |
| ali1234 | i'm upgrading my vm then i'll retest all this on the newest versions (while recording videos) | 15:17 |
| drc | Google says there is a third party plugin that supports MPRIS2...will check that out. | 15:18 |
| elfy | jump to track works in clementine :p | 15:22 |
| * drc just stands here on the corner by a dark alley, looks around and starts whistling...while he waits for some one to sidle up and whisper "Hey buddy, you wanna buy a beta2, real cheap". | 15:23 | |
| elfy | oops | 15:26 |
| elfy | ochosi: you any issues with marking images ready? | 15:30 |
| elfy | I've not | 15:30 |
| === brainvvash_ is now known as brainvvash | ||
| elfy | and everytime I say anything re this - -release starts discussing moving the goal posts :p | 15:33 |
| knome | heh | 15:36 |
| === drc is now known as Guest15376 | ||
| Guest15376 | ali1234: Now in daily, can you place that URL for the comparison again? | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer | 15:48 |
| Guest15376 | thanks | 15:48 |
| Guest15376 | OK, time for a little remedial education here...MPRIS is what causes an audio player to show up in the panel volume applet/widget/whatever, correct? | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | that is one thing it does yes | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | and the main reason we need it | 15:58 |
| Guest15376 | OK then Exaile is Right Out :( | 16:00 |
| micahg | I thought exaile gained that support at some point :( | 16:00 |
| Guest15376 | There is a plugin but doesn't appear to work...let me check again | 16:01 |
| Guest15376 | MPRIS plugin checked, doesn't not show up on Volume. | 16:02 |
| Guest15376 | Won't stop me from using it, but won't make the default player short list. | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | might be a too old version of mpris | 16:04 |
| Guest15376 | Yeah, doesn't say 1 or 2 | 16:05 |
| Guest15376 | but iirc, it <never> has intergrated | 16:06 |
| Guest15376 | Interesting Quod Libet doesn't appear to show up in the Whisker menu after installing. (there was some talk about it yesterday) | 16:11 |
| Guest15376 | It does in the old menu | 16:12 |
| elfy | it's in menu here ok | 16:14 |
| Guest15376 | whisker? | 16:15 |
| elfy | yep | 16:15 |
| Guest15376 | nope...today's daily, LiveUSB, no staging ppa | 16:17 |
| Guest15376 | removed and re-installed. still not on WM | 16:17 |
| elfy | mmm - definitely here - though this is a real machine, with team ppa's | 16:18 |
| Guest15376 | HaHa...gotcha, I knew you guys were keeping the good stuff to yourselves :) | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | works for me | 16:20 |
| elfy | just booted the b2 and installed it - turns up in multimedia there | 16:20 |
| Guest15376 | B2 out now? | 16:20 |
| elfy | the testing image | 16:21 |
| Guest15376 | ah, that effectively different than todays daily? | 16:22 |
| elfy | shouldn't be | 16:22 |
| Guest15376 | OK then quod just doesn't like me...if it turns up for you guys, I won't bother with it anymore. | 16:23 |
| elfy | lol | 16:23 |
| elfy | Guest15376: if you start typing quod does it show up? | 16:23 |
| Guest15376 | didn't, let me check again | 16:24 |
| Guest15376 | nope | 16:24 |
| Guest15376 | going to reboot the Live USB. | 16:24 |
| elfy | marking us ready | 20:15 |
| knome | yay | 20:16 |
| knome | and sorry for not having time (again) to test... | 20:16 |
| elfy | such is life | 20:16 |
| elfy | who's dealing with release note? | 21:01 |
| knome | i don't think that has been assigned | 21:01 |
| knome | is the b2 notes very different from b1? | 21:01 |
| elfy | slight change in bugs probably | 21:02 |
| knome | yep | 21:02 |
| elfy | definite change in known issues | 21:02 |
| knome | heh | 21:02 |
| elfy | bones are up to date at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/ReleaseNoteBase | 21:03 |
| elfy | no flim flam there though | 21:03 |
| knome | yep, but that's elsewhere | 21:03 |
| knome | i can look at stuff in ~30mins if need be | 21:03 |
| knome | well 40-45... | 21:04 |
| elfy | thanks knome :) | 21:04 |
| elfy | I'll start the xorg one off with the bones - you can add whatever | 21:04 |
| knome | cheers | 21:05 |
| elfy | did a basic one - did a basic wiki one too (links in xorg post) | 21:18 |
| elfy | I'll do more with the wiki tomorrow early | 21:18 |
| knome | i'll look at the website one tonight | 21:19 |
| elfy | yep - cheers | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | hey all | 21:43 |
| * Unit193 hides. | 21:44 | |
| flexiondotorg | bluesabre, Hi | 21:44 |
| * bluesabre hides from Unit193 | 21:44 | |
| bluesabre | how are things going? | 21:46 |
| knome | bluesabre, well if you want to work on the release notes... ;) | 21:50 |
| bluesabre | :) | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | I can help for sure | 21:55 |
| knome | you saw what elfy said | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | about starting with the bones? | 21:56 |
| knome | lol | 22:00 |
| knome | then proceeding to the meat.. | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | I'll get started adding details shortly | 22:01 |
| knome | he prepared the announcement on the website | 22:01 |
| bluesabre | any specific fluff you want? | 22:01 |
| knome | the usual | 22:01 |
| knome | once you start doing that, feel free to ping me; i know it's always nicer to do that together with somebody | 22:01 |
| knome | apparently we didn't do any special release notes on the wiki for b1 | 22:02 |
| Unit193 | http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfburn/commit/?id=5052d5761386e470fe0cdd6a799c1ee77be80c64 wow, and just talkinga bout that. | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | I think that was what we decided right? minor notes until release | 22:04 |
| knome | just said | 22:04 |
| knome | i wasn't sure | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | :P | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: wow, nifty | 22:04 |
| knome | but whatever works for me | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | not sure there is a whole lot new outside of xfce 4.12 | 22:09 |
| bluesabre | I suppose I can get the updated list of packages together though | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:10 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin - 0.2.2-0ubuntu1 up. | 22:31 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/S7QJpFSwnVxWqSPnkmBp for those that care. :P | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | nice | 22:36 |
| knome | Unit193, you mean people who work in the caretaking business? | 22:36 |
| knome | like nurses... | 22:36 |
| * bluesabre waits forever for the wiki to log him in | 22:58 | |
| bluesabre | knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10686618/ | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | since the wiki is taking its time, there's the updated "obvious" package list | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | places and weather are probably less important on that list | 23:01 |
| knome | mhm | 23:04 |
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