[00:01] <jjfrv8> elfy, I never get the eject media prompt so I could not in good conscience fail it ;)
[00:05] <ali1234> done https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer
[00:06] <knome> ali1234, gmb can and does search without affecting playlist.
[00:06] <ali1234> i can't figure out how to do it, i doubt most users could either
[00:06] <knome> ali1234, use the search bar.
[00:06] <ali1234> i did, it didnt work
[00:06] <knome> how didn't it work?
[00:06] <ali1234> the search bar literally does nothing
[00:07] <knome> how come it does for me?
[00:07] <ali1234> it also does it incredibly slowly
[00:07] <ali1234> i dunno, are you sure you are using the same gmb that i am?
[00:08] <knome> gmb 1.1.13 in xubuntu 14.10
[00:08] <ali1234> i'm still on 14.04
[00:08] <knome> it worked on 14.04 as well
[00:08] <ali1234> i'm sure :)
[00:08]  * micahg can build a backport of a newer version if needed
[00:08] <knome> micahg, no need to, the feature works, i'm 100% certain of that.
[00:09] <micahg> ok
[00:09] <knome> ali1234, the only thing in that list that gmb objectively can't do is streams and podcasts
[00:10] <ali1234> maybe it can do all that stuff; a normal person would have absolutely no idea HOW though, because the UI is so awful
[00:10] <knome> ali1234, and i don't think "attempts to ape other players..." is very objective.
[00:10] <ali1234> it's entirely objective; see the rhythmbox layout - it doesn't work at all
[00:10] <ali1234> it's like the developer looked at a screenshot of rhythmbox when making it
[00:10] <ali1234> it *looks* like rhythmbox and that is all
[00:11] <knome> ali1234, see - gmb doesn't try to ape any other players... the various layouts are provided for people who *want* gmb to look something else
[00:11] <ali1234> i would settle for a layout that actually works
[00:11] <ali1234> unfortunately none of them do
[00:11] <knome> ali1234, so which layout are you using?
[00:11] <ali1234> right now i'm using exaile layout
[00:11] <ali1234> search bar still doesn't work
[00:12] <ali1234> and no way to browse albums/artists
[00:12] <knome> please don't judge the application by non-default configuration
[00:12] <ali1234> the default layout is completely unintelligable
[00:12] <ali1234> i literally can't figure out how to use it
[00:12] <knome> i'm sorry.
[00:12] <ali1234> i had to switch layout just to make it play music
[00:13] <ali1234> and i can't even figure out how to go back to the default
[00:13] <ali1234> seriously, which layout is supposed to be default?
[00:14] <knome> "Shimmer Desktop"
[00:14] <ali1234> okay, that's basically the same as banshee/rhythmbox
[00:14] <knome> well... okay?
[00:14] <knome> does that make gmb "bad"
[00:14] <ali1234> no
[00:15] <knome> i thought you thought so...
[00:15] <knome> i'm sorry if i was mistaken.
[00:15] <ali1234> no, it's bad because it has the layout of banshee/rhythmbox style browser, except it doesn't work
[00:15]  * knome breathes slowly in and out
[00:15] <ali1234> click on an album in the rightmost pane
[00:16] <ali1234> the artist pane should list only artists on that album
[00:16] <ali1234> it does not
[00:16] <ali1234> X
[00:16] <knome> in what way "should" ?
[00:16] <ali1234> in the way that that's how rhythmbox and banshee work
[00:16] <drc> remember "big fuzzy and cudly teddy-bear"
[00:16] <ali1234> and it's also how whatever they copied works
[00:16] <knome> ali1234, does that mean that's the "right" way?
[00:16] <ali1234> yes
[00:16] <knome> because?
[00:17] <ali1234> because it is better
[00:17] <knome> that's not a rationale
[00:17] <ali1234> i will admit that in this particular layout the search bar actually works!
[00:17] <ali1234> i do wonder why it works in this layout, but not others
[00:18] <knome> the other layouts aren't maintained by us, i have no idea.
[00:18] <ali1234> you can also browse without changing the current song
[00:18] <ali1234> that doesn't work in other layouts either
[00:19] <ali1234> can we remove all the borken layouts?
[00:19] <knome> that's totally open for discussion
[00:20] <knome> i don't have anything against that.
[00:21] <ali1234> this actually isn't bad
[00:21] <knome> ok, now that most of it is sorted out...
[00:21] <knome> the list view panes you describe
[00:21] <knome> are designed to work like that
[00:22] <knome> if you want to browse artists by album, add an album tab in the first pane
[00:22] <ali1234> wat
[00:22] <knome> i agree that's not the first thing the new user thinks of, but otoh, it's not the first requirement either
[00:22] <ali1234> there aren't any tabs in this layout
[00:22] <knome> right-click the pane and select "show tabs"
[00:23] <ali1234> can i get rid of this pane entirely?
[00:23] <knome> no, the panes in that view are set by the layout
[00:24] <ali1234> why do the panes look different when i set them to the same tab?
[00:24] <ali1234> and why do they show different search results?
[00:24] <ali1234> why is this so confusing?
[00:24] <knome> ok, calm down
[00:24] <knome> the panes are cumulatively limiting the search results
[00:25] <knome> when you select something from the leftmost pane, the middle and rightmost pane are filtered with that selection
[00:25] <ali1234> that's super confusing
[00:26] <knome> to you, sounds like it, to me, not really
[00:26] <knome> now tell me
[00:26] <ali1234> how is a typical user going to react to this?
[00:26] <ali1234> *i* could probably get used to this, my parents? no chance
[00:26] <knome> i haven't seen many complaints about it; that doesn't mean everybody loves it, but i don't think everybody thinks it's broken either
[00:27] <knome> different people have different resources to adapt to new things
[00:27] <knome> if your parents love media player X, they should definitely use that
[00:28] <ali1234> my parents don't have an opinion on media players
[00:28] <knome> i was just using them as example since you did that as well.
[00:28] <holstein> trainging can be necessary, regardless..
[00:28] <holstein> training*
[00:29] <ali1234> so here is how it should work
[00:29] <ali1234> there should be one pane with albums and one pane with artists
[00:29] <ali1234> no tabs
[00:29] <ali1234> and each pane should filter all the others
[00:29] <knome> in your opinion
[00:30] <ali1234> not this weird sequence thing
[00:30] <ali1234> me and steve jobs yes :)
[00:30] <knome> i don't see a usecase where i select an album and then see the artist for that album
[00:30] <ali1234> you select an album which is "various artists"
[00:30] <ali1234> the artist pane lists only artists from that album
[00:31] <ali1234> you select and artist and then select "all album" in the album pane
[00:31] <knome> granted, you found a usecase for that
[00:31] <ali1234> now you see all songs by that artist
[00:31] <knome> i don't have a lot of collections, that's not useful for me
[00:31] <ali1234> the main point here is that my system does everything that your system can do, is simpler to use, and can do more things
[00:31] <knome> that's possible.
[00:32] <knome> but please don't tell gmb "can't do that"
[00:32] <knome> or the other thing
[00:32] <knome> if it can...
[00:32] <knome> as you noticed, with the default layout, most things worked ootb
[00:32] <ali1234> it can't do it in any of the layouts included...
[00:32] <ali1234> yeah, i will give you that
[00:32] <ali1234> the default isn';t quite as bad as i remembered
[00:33] <knome> but really, the other thing is that gmb has lots of features that aren't necessarily the most important ones, or announced very loudly
[00:33] <knome> for example, google styled search
[00:34] <knome> eg. type: "year:2010" in the search bar
[00:36] <ali1234> okay, wiki updated
[00:37] <knome> the next question is that whether the filtering in panes is really something that a media player needs to do - especially if it's a core requirement....
[00:37] <ali1234> yes, it is
[00:37] <knome> for you
[00:37] <knome> for me, nope
[00:37] <knome> for a regular user? i don't know
[00:37] <ali1234> if they don't filter there is no point in them even being there
[00:38] <ali1234> then you've just got a flat list of every song
[00:38] <knome> the panes filter in gmb - in one direction
[00:38] <ali1234> only in some layouts
[00:38] <ali1234> in the rhythmbox layout they don't filter at all
[00:38] <knome> let's keep the discussion on the default layout we're using
[00:38] <knome> because we still aren't maintaining the other ones
[00:39] <ali1234> filtering in one direction is better than nothing, but it's still awkward
[00:39] <knome> awkward or not, everybody can judge that themself
[00:39] <ali1234> they can judge it, but they can't do anything about it...
[00:40] <knome> as much as they can't do anything about the things other media players do in an unnatural way for them
[00:41] <holstein> sounds like you have a great idea, ali1234 .. you can always make and release your own linux.. based on as much of xubuntu/ubuntu as you like
[00:41] <ali1234> in this case there is something to be said for opinionated design
[00:44] <holstein> what i typically do, for my folks, or friend/family.. i'll setup things as i think they want.. and test.. and i'll still end up swapping things out here and there
[00:45] <ali1234> what is "intersection mode"?
[00:45] <knome> i thought we were looking at the core, required features
[00:46] <ali1234> it doesn't seem to be a very good way to pick a media player, since they all have pretty much the same features
[00:47] <knome> ali1234, then shouldn't we just keep gmb, because it has the same features as all others and does its job?
[00:47] <ali1234> no, because it has an extremely confusing UI
[00:47] <knome> that's your opinion.
[00:47] <holstein> its easy to swap out
[00:47] <ali1234> i am not easily confused by user interfaces
[00:48] <holstein> i bet you can go upstream and see if you can contribute to a "ui team" or whatever
[00:48] <ali1234> "intersection mode" does not appear to do anything
[00:48] <ali1234> holstein: i doubt it since the first thing i would do is remove 90% of it
[00:48] <holstein> ali1234: sure.. fork it, then
[00:49] <ali1234> then we can have yet another option to discuss
[00:49] <Unit193> https://xkcd.com/927/
[00:49] <holstein> well, "we" wont.. since, i just install vlc, personally and dont care to try and make anybuntu have it by default..
[00:49] <holstein> i just add what i prefer.. works nice
[00:50] <knome> holstein, please, that isn't constructive eitehr
[00:51] <ali1234> i just clicked on "find songs with same artists" and now i've lost all my library and no idea how to get it back
[00:52] <ali1234> when i click that it should select "all albums" in the album pane and that artist in the artist pane
[00:52] <ali1234> but instead it removes everything from both panes
[00:53] <ali1234> "jump to playing song" isn't anywhere in the shimmer layout
[00:53] <ali1234> gonna have to turn that one back to an X since we're only considering that layout...
[00:53] <knome> yes sir.
[00:54] <knome> i would think it would be more productive if you actually focused on other apps you don't per se hate to keep yourself calm and productive
[00:54] <knome> well that was a lot of productivity in one sentence, but that's what we're really after
[00:54] <ali1234> well i already added a row for rhythmbox
[00:55] <ali1234> if i added a row for banshee that would also be ticks all the way along
[00:55] <knome> is this some kind of game?
[00:56] <knome> "if i added..."
[00:56] <ali1234> i'm just attempting to do what you asked
[00:56] <drc> The question I have is:  Is the wiki page that ali1234 added and the criteria listed there now the official criteria for audio player criteria?
[00:56] <drc> Becasue he added a bit from the last (Gridcube's ?) page.
[00:57] <ali1234> yeah i used the old page as a starting point
[00:57] <knome> it's ali1234's vision of the requirements
[00:57] <GridCube> ?
[00:57] <GridCube> i what?
[00:57] <knome> not necessarily the final requirements the team will base the decisions
[00:57] <micahg> banshee is a non-starter, it's in mono
[00:57] <ali1234> noted.
[00:57] <Unit193> Ouch.
[00:57] <micahg> though I do happen to really like it :)
[00:57] <ali1234> that's why i didn't bother adding it before
[00:58] <Unit193> Nightingale! :P
[00:58] <Unit193> Oh dang, wrong channel.
[00:58] <knome> Unit193, you're recorded.
[00:58] <micahg> 3rd copy of mozilla core code?
[00:59] <knome> i'm sure Unit193 was joking.
[00:59] <Unit193> Yes, though it's a decent player.
[01:00] <drc> GridCube: I was referencing this old wiki page  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/DefaultMediaPlayer
[01:00] <GridCube> drc, :) yes thanks
[01:00] <drc> And you were listed a "Assignee"
[01:01] <GridCube> yes, from the time when i bothered to try to convince people 
[01:01] <ali1234> who wrote the rant about gmb on that page? it wasn't me :)
[01:01] <GridCube> i just dont see any sense to it anymore
[01:01] <ali1234> i can guess who added the rebuttals
[01:01] <knome> ali1234, this isn't a guessing game
[01:02] <ali1234> yay i got my library back
[01:03] <ali1234> you have to right click in one of the panes and then click on "set as primary filter"
[01:03] <Unit193> Also, Shimmer set a layout for gmb, I'm sure that'd be open for improving?
[01:03] <knome> definitely.
[01:06] <ali1234> shimmer desktop is a pretty good effort. could do with a big "clear all searches" button though
[01:06] <knome> ali1234, try the x at the search box
[01:07] <ali1234> not obvious enough. search box is empty, i wouldn't expect that x to do anything
[01:07] <holstein> nothing, at all?
[01:07] <ali1234> x on a text field means clear the text in the field
[01:07] <holstein> i see those on touch UI's a lot.. maybe thats the inspiration
[01:07] <GridCube> ali1234, you are expecting gmb to make sense,  you should already stop doing that
[01:07] <ali1234> if there's no text in the field already
[01:08] <ali1234> then what would it do?
[01:08] <ali1234> fact is, it does actually reveal all my library again, but it's totally unexpected
[01:08] <Unit193> Wait, no text in the field and you're expected to know the X clears searches (that haven't been made, because nothing shown?)
[01:08] <GridCube> ali1234, because you are not seeing your library, you are seeing a playlist
[01:08] <ali1234> yeah
[01:09] <ali1234> GridCube: no, actually i'm not
[01:09] <GridCube> yes, yes you do
[01:09] <ali1234> the playlist is another thing entirely, and it is empty because i never use playlists
[01:09] <ali1234> shall i make a video?
[01:09] <GridCube> no, theres where you are wrong
[01:09] <GridCube> you are always using playlists on gmb
[01:09] <ali1234> so there's playlists and also a queue?
[01:09] <GridCube> yes
[01:09] <ali1234> and they are different?
[01:09] <GridCube> who knows
[01:10] <ali1234> no, i'm pretty sure what i am seeing is a filtered list of songs
[01:10] <GridCube> anyway i said several times i would not get to bash on gmb away
[01:10] <ali1234> and then i can drag them on to the queue
[01:10] <GridCube> so ill stop
[01:10] <GridCube> because it makes no sense
[01:11] <knome> GridCube, as ali1234 said, playlists are a completely different thing
[01:11] <ali1234> the problem is that there's no feedback between the top panes and the filter view
[01:11] <ali1234> often you can have a search in effect with no visual indication at all
[02:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Heh, sure.  Glad to help.  Considered moving the branches to xubuntu-dev/+junk, but wasn't sure you wanted that and it'd confuse you too.
[02:37] <bluesabre> Unit193: we can do that, sure
[02:38] <bluesabre> you're good at cleaning things up and reducing/hiding cruft
[02:38] <Unit193> I'm randomly OCD..
[02:47] <Unit193> But, thanks.
[07:29] <Ethan> Hello
[07:29] <ochosi> morning
[07:30] <ochosi> elfy: seems like the eject media bug is fixed
[07:30] <Unit193> cyphermo attempted one.
[07:35] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=a6dd7d7171367f0e9af29152ccd1bfc0e6279b09 oooh.
[07:40] <type3> I'm a university student and a Xubuntu user and I'd like to contribute. How can I learn to help?
[07:45] <ochosi> type3: hello and welcome. this is a good starting point: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[07:51] <type3> Thank you. I'm getting started with that now
[07:52] <type3> ochosi:
[07:52] <ochosi> okeydokey
[07:53] <ochosi> you can always ask for help here though if you get stuck
[07:53] <type3> this is fun though I haven't used an irc in several years
[07:53] <ochosi> one of the more important things you have to ask yourself while going through these pages is what it is you want/can do
[07:54] <type3> I know I want to develop. I've been getting a lot better with C and want to use it somewhere outside the classroom where I can help other people
[07:55] <Unit193> That'd likely be more with upstream Xfce.
[07:56] <type3> Is there anything I can do to help xubuntu directly?
[07:57] <type3> I woudn't mind checking that out though
[07:57] <Unit193> Yey!  Just purged gst0.10, poor xfburn was the only thing caught in the crossfire.
[08:02] <ochosi> type3: some of us contribute to xfce directly, which makes the most sense if you wanna do some c coding. what you'll definitely need to learn though is gtk/glib along with c
[08:02] <ochosi> so yeah, we can still help you with getting into that though
[08:03] <type3> ochosi: that sounds like it would be a lot of fun actually, I'm sold
[08:04] <Unit193> Now I really want to bribe Sean to at least look at removing gst0.10 from Xfburn. :P
[08:04] <ochosi> what is happening at the moment @xfce is that we've started porting the apps from gtk2 to gtk3 for the next stable release
[08:04] <Unit193> type3: Which of course ends up helping out Xubuntu a lot.
[08:05] <ochosi> Unit193: i'd say bountysource is your friend ;) maybe we should really consider running fund-raising campaigns for things like these...
[08:05] <Unit193> Not really, I never use Xfburn.  I'd just like it off the ISO.
[08:07] <ochosi> hehe
[08:07] <ochosi> what's the status quo of pidgin?
[08:08] <Unit193> I've been testing it a couple days no issues (at least crashes), and considering Fedora is using the same patch I am, I would really like to see this in wombat.
[08:09] <Unit193> I could look into popping it into staging, but it's not really Xubuntu specific.
[08:18] <type3> I really appreciate the help. I'm getting started with gtk2 now
[08:20] <Unit193> ochosi: Basically, gmb is already fixed in Wombat, Pidgin easily could be, and that's all the others for us.  Would be pretty cool IMO.
[08:31] <ochosi> type3: another hint is to start with a small app, just start looking into the code. also: don't get into gtk2 too deep, we're moving *away* from that :)
[08:31] <ochosi> Unit193: totally agreed
[08:33] <type3> ochosi: ha I understand, it just took me awhile to find something up to date
[08:43] <type3> Finally got one on the gnome site. Again, thank you for the help, I'm going to keep working at it but I have to sign off
[08:44] <ochosi> sure, hf and ttyl
[08:45] <type3> ttyl
[08:48] <Noskcaj> ochosi, upstream xfburn dev on gst1.0 support "No progress yet. It's on my radar, but I've been pretty busy recently again."
[08:49] <Noskcaj> so if sean doesn't get it, it will hopefully be done for 15.10 anyway
[08:51] <ochosi> hm, i wouldn't rely on squisher entirely
[08:51] <Unit193> "On the radar" in terms of Xfce can mean a couple months to a few years.
[08:51] <ochosi> i haven't seen him around a lot lately
[08:56] <elfy> ochosi: so new image, vbox install - screen corruption at finish no idea what's going on - kill the machine and it does remove the install media
[08:56] <ochosi> hmm
[08:56] <elfy> that said - not our issue still :)
[08:56] <ochosi> yeah :)
[08:56] <elfy> just doing kvm now
[08:56] <ochosi> well not *only* our issue :]
[08:57] <elfy> yea - implication being we don't have to fix it - totally our issue :p
[08:57] <elfy> unless it is only seen with xub - not got time to double check that 
[09:04] <elfy> kvm - hangs on restart 
[09:23] <elfy> hardware - bug 1436715
[09:32] <elfy> if people get the chance to at least smoketest the 32 bit stuff that would help
[10:43] <bluesabre> ochosi, Noskcaj, Unit193: I could probably work on that port
[10:43] <bluesabre> not sure how difficult it'd be, so no promises
[10:44] <Unit193> Would using mencoder or something else work better?  libav?
[10:46] <bluesabre> porting gstreamer versions is not particularly difficult, it just depends on how much custom stuff there is in there
[10:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: I only know gstreamer :)
[10:50] <ochosi> not sure it's more fun porting to something new/different than just to a different version of the same thing
[10:51] <Unit193> I was thinking one might work better. :P
[10:53] <Unit193> How would one turn off smooth scrolling in mousepad?
[10:53] <bluesabre> better than xfburn? its the most reliable burner for me
[10:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: not sure its possible, thats baked into gtk3
[10:53] <bluesabre> there is a way to disable gtk3 animations
[10:53] <bluesabre> somewhere
[10:53] <ochosi> maybe an xsetting
[10:54] <ochosi> or a gtk setting
[10:54] <ochosi> but yeah, use the gtk2 version if you dislike that sort of scrolling
[10:54] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-enable-animations
[10:55] <bluesabre> so maybe in xsettings/Gtk
[10:55] <bluesabre> EnableAnimations
[10:55] <bluesabre> ?
[10:58] <Unit193> Yep, thanks.  Found the same page based on your comment.  Too bad you can't delete entries with that tool too though.
[11:00] <bluesabre> oh, that did work?
[11:00] <Unit193> Looks like it at least.
[11:00] <bluesabre> neat
[11:03] <ochosi> at some point we have to consider which of these options to expose in xfce4-settings UI
[11:03] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:06] <ochosi> lunchtime (finally)
[11:25] <bluesabre> guessing this has already been seen, but xfdesktop is drawing icons on ubiquity
[11:26] <Unit193> Uhhh..?
[11:27] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/dWGB0Bb.png
[11:40] <Unit193> Very nice...
[11:48] <bluesabre> also had the installer freeze once it finished and I pressed ok, never saw the end terminal
[12:05] <bluesabre> for those interested, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1436816
[12:05] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:32] <elfy> dupe of bug 1436715 probably
[12:56] <jjfrv8> elfy, 32-bit installs fine on my laptop and desktop.
[12:56] <jjfrv8> I use UNetbootin to make my sticks and I've never seen an eject media prompt when using them to install on hardware.
[13:04] <ubuntu-studio> Kak izmenit yazik v ubuntu studio&
[13:04] <ubuntu-studio> ?
[13:25] <GridCube> please speak in english
[14:51] <ali1234> "jump to playing song" doesn't work in any player that i have tested so far
[15:00] <drc> ali1234:  Jumping in the middle here without a recent log...have you tried Exaile?  It's called "Show Playing Track" (CTRL-J :) and it just worked for me.
[15:01] <ali1234> yes, it didn't work
[15:01] <ali1234> test results are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer
[15:01] <drc> interesting.
[15:02] <ali1234> oh look, a bug in the wiki
[15:03] <ali1234> the footnote numbers don't match up correctly
[15:03] <drc> ali1234: JUst a suggestion, but you might want to add a column (or add to notes) stating which version is being tested.
[15:03] <ali1234> good idea
[15:05] <drc> All I know is that the "Jump" options works for me in Exaile 3.3.2 (I know it's not the latest, I boot iin a bit to a distro that I know has a later version).
[15:05] <ali1234> i'll be reporting bugs for everything that doesn't work, with videos
[15:06] <ali1234> after i've reported the bug in the wiki
[15:07] <drc> actually, I think I'll grab the latest daily (seing as how the beta2 isn't out yet) and try Exaile there.
[15:07] <drc> seeing as how that's the version that'll be the version shipping.
[15:15] <drc> nah, doesn't support MPRIS, why bother?
[15:15] <ali1234> maybe it does in the newest version?
[15:17] <drc> Pretty sure, in my playing with earlier dailies, that it didn't show up in the volume applet/widget, so I'm guessing no (but you're correct, I'll try it in today's daily)
[15:17] <ali1234> i'm upgrading my vm then i'll retest all this on the newest versions (while recording videos)
[15:18] <drc> Google says there is a third party plugin that supports MPRIS2...will check that out.
[15:22] <elfy> jump to track works in clementine :p
[15:23]  * drc just stands here on the corner by a dark alley, looks around and starts whistling...while he waits for some one to sidle up and whisper "Hey buddy, you wanna buy a beta2, real cheap".
[15:26] <elfy> oops
[15:30] <elfy> ochosi: you any issues with marking images ready? 
[15:30] <elfy> I've not
[15:33] <elfy> and everytime I say anything re this - -release starts discussing moving the goal posts :p
[15:36] <knome> heh
[15:48] <Guest15376> ali1234: Now in daily, can you place that URL for the comparison again?
[15:48] <ali1234> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer
[15:48] <Guest15376> thanks
[15:58] <Guest15376> OK, time for a little remedial education here...MPRIS is what causes an audio player to show up in the panel volume applet/widget/whatever, correct?
[15:58] <ali1234> that is one thing it does yes
[15:58] <ali1234> and the main reason we need it
[16:00] <Guest15376> OK then Exaile is Right Out :(
[16:00] <micahg> I thought exaile gained that support at some point :(
[16:01] <Guest15376> There is a plugin but doesn't appear to work...let me check again
[16:02] <Guest15376> MPRIS plugin checked, doesn't not show up on Volume.
[16:04] <Guest15376> Won't stop me from using it, but won't make the default player short list.
[16:04] <ali1234> might be a too old version of mpris
[16:05] <Guest15376> Yeah, doesn't say 1 or 2
[16:06] <Guest15376> but iirc, it <never> has intergrated
[16:11] <Guest15376> Interesting Quod Libet doesn't appear to show up in the Whisker menu after installing. (there was some talk about it yesterday)
[16:12] <Guest15376> It does in the old menu
[16:14] <elfy> it's in menu here ok 
[16:15] <Guest15376> whisker?
[16:15] <elfy> yep
[16:17] <Guest15376> nope...today's daily, LiveUSB, no staging ppa
[16:17] <Guest15376> removed and re-installed.  still not on WM
[16:18] <elfy> mmm - definitely here - though this is a real machine, with team ppa's 
[16:19] <Guest15376> HaHa...gotcha, I knew you guys were keeping the good stuff to yourselves :)
[16:20] <ali1234> works for me
[16:20] <elfy> just booted the b2 and installed it - turns up in multimedia there
[16:20] <Guest15376> B2 out now?
[16:21] <elfy> the testing image 
[16:22] <Guest15376> ah, that effectively different than todays daily?
[16:22] <elfy> shouldn't be 
[16:23] <Guest15376> OK then quod just doesn't like me...if it turns up for you guys, I won't bother with it anymore.
[16:23] <elfy> lol
[16:23] <elfy> Guest15376: if you start typing quod does it show up?
[16:24] <Guest15376> didn't, let me check again
[16:24] <Guest15376> nope
[16:24] <Guest15376> going to reboot the Live USB.
[20:15] <elfy> marking us ready
[20:16] <knome> yay
[20:16] <knome> and sorry for not having time (again) to test...
[20:16] <elfy> such is life
[21:01] <elfy> who's dealing with release note? 
[21:01] <knome> i don't think that has been assigned
[21:01] <knome> is the b2 notes very different from b1?
[21:02] <elfy> slight change in bugs probably
[21:02] <knome> yep
[21:02] <elfy> definite change in known issues
[21:02] <knome> heh
[21:03] <elfy> bones are up to date at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/ReleaseNoteBase
[21:03] <elfy> no flim flam there though
[21:03] <knome> yep, but that's elsewhere
[21:03] <knome> i can look at stuff in ~30mins if need be
[21:04] <knome> well 40-45...
[21:04] <elfy> thanks knome :)
[21:04] <elfy> I'll start the xorg one off with the bones - you can add whatever 
[21:05] <knome> cheers
[21:18] <elfy> did a basic one - did a basic wiki one too (links in xorg post) 
[21:18] <elfy> I'll do more with the wiki tomorrow early
[21:19] <knome> i'll look at the website one tonight
[21:20] <elfy> yep - cheers
[21:43] <bluesabre> hey all
[21:44]  * Unit193 hides.
[21:44] <flexiondotorg> bluesabre, Hi
[21:44]  * bluesabre hides from Unit193
[21:46] <bluesabre> how are things going?
[21:50] <knome> bluesabre, well if you want to work on the release notes... ;)
[21:55] <bluesabre> :)
[21:55] <bluesabre> I can help for sure
[21:55] <knome> you saw what elfy said
[21:56] <bluesabre> about starting with the bones?
[22:00] <knome> lol
[22:00] <knome> then proceeding to the meat..
[22:01] <bluesabre> I'll get started adding details shortly
[22:01] <knome> he prepared the announcement on the website
[22:01] <bluesabre> any specific fluff you want?
[22:01] <knome> the usual
[22:01] <knome> once you start doing that, feel free to ping me; i know it's always nicer to do that together with somebody
[22:02] <knome> apparently we didn't do any special release notes on the wiki for b1
[22:04] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfburn/commit/?id=5052d5761386e470fe0cdd6a799c1ee77be80c64 wow, and just talkinga bout that.
[22:04] <bluesabre> I think that was what we decided right? minor notes until release
[22:04] <knome> just said
[22:04] <knome> i wasn't sure
[22:04] <bluesabre> :P
[22:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: wow, nifty
[22:04] <knome> but whatever works for me
[22:09] <bluesabre> not sure there is a whole lot new outside of xfce 4.12
[22:10] <bluesabre> I suppose I can get the updated list of packages together though
[22:10] <bluesabre> :)
[22:31] <Unit193>  xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin - 0.2.2-0ubuntu1 up.
[22:34] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/S7QJpFSwnVxWqSPnkmBp for those that care. :P
[22:36] <bluesabre> nice
[22:36] <knome> Unit193, you mean people who work in the caretaking business?
[22:36] <knome> like nurses...
[22:58]  * bluesabre waits forever for the wiki to log him in
[23:00] <bluesabre> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10686618/
[23:00] <bluesabre> since the wiki is taking its time, there's the updated "obvious" package list
[23:01] <bluesabre> places and weather are probably less important on that list
[23:04] <knome> mhm