| soee | Riddell: updated LO will be in Vivid before final release ? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | soee: I hope so | 00:02 |
| Riddell | LO maintainer says he's onto it | 00:02 |
| soee | ah cool :) | 00:02 |
| valorie | yofel: on a restart, SDDM started sucessfully all by its lil self | 00:02 |
| valorie | thank you for your help yesterday | 00:03 |
| Riddell | soee: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764/comments/7 | 00:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1435764 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FFe UI exception for LibreOffice Breeze Icons" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 00:03 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: have you tried a daily image? | 00:03 |
| soee | Riddell: nice, icons work well | 00:10 |
| soee | LO dropdowns missing some paddings | 00:11 |
| sitter_ | sgclark: what are you merging? | 00:13 |
| Riddell | soee: you tried it from that LO PPA? | 00:14 |
| soee | Riddell: yes | 00:14 |
| Riddell | soee: great, can you comment on the bug? | 00:15 |
| sgclark | sitter_: was going to run the new RC for applications so that would be unstable.. ? | 00:18 |
| sgclark | I fixed up the gem script with the appropriate values. but it barfed on missing git module | 00:18 |
| sitter_ | yeah you have to twiddle the script code | 00:19 |
| sitter_ | switch kubuntu_stable to kubuntu_unstable and plasma/ to applications/ | 00:19 |
| sgclark | yep did that | 00:19 |
| sitter_ | sgclark: gem install git | 00:19 |
| sgclark | all good there, how on earth do I install modules with rvm ruby | 00:19 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: no, I just got home from picking up my new car and giving blood | 00:19 |
| mparillo | ISOs, MD5s, are SHAs are uploaded to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/beta-2/ | 00:19 |
| sgclark | it did not like that :( | 00:19 |
| valorie | now about to eat dinner | 00:19 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: big day | 00:19 |
| valorie | and will be gone all weekend | 00:19 |
| sitter_ | sgclark: then your rvm is not set up correctly | 00:20 |
| valorie | tired! | 00:20 |
| Riddell | mparillo: it's not out until it's announced on ubuntu-devel-announce | 00:20 |
| sgclark | ahh okies | 00:20 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: did you see the message from the other day | 00:20 |
| Riddell | mparillo: mirrors always go out a couple of hours early | 00:20 |
| valorie | about? | 00:20 |
| Riddell | 22:53 < infinity> Riddell: Just synced mirrors now, so going to give in some time to settle. Maybe a couple of hours. | 00:20 |
| soee | Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764/comments/8 | 00:20 |
| Riddell | it's now 00:20 | 00:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1435764 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FFe UI exception for LibreOffice Breeze Icons" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 00:20 |
| sitter_ | sgclark: what's the output of gem install git | 00:20 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I'm going to akademy | 00:20 |
| valorie | \o/ | 00:21 |
| ahoneybun | \o/ | 00:21 |
| ahoneybun | love the community! | 00:21 |
| ahoneybun | for donations | 00:21 |
| valorie | sgclark: I'll check around tonight on flights and email ya | 00:21 |
| sitter_ | valorie: btw, I take j-b's maybe as a no :P | 00:22 |
| sgclark | valorie: ok thanks :) | 00:22 |
| valorie | we should get our application for $$ into Ubuntu Comm. soon | 00:22 |
| sgclark | yeah | 00:22 |
| valorie | sitter_: how can I bribe you successfully? | 00:22 |
| sitter_ | I dunno. it's just such a bother | 00:23 |
| sitter_ | I'd even have to get a white suit or two | 00:23 |
| valorie | 'tis | 00:23 |
| sitter_ | what with being in summer in the south | 00:23 |
| valorie | heh | 00:23 |
| sitter_ | needs white suit obviously | 00:23 |
| Riddell | sitter_: it's an adventure! | 00:23 |
| valorie | the bother is totes worth the joy and exhaustion | 00:23 |
| valorie | adventure is the whipped cream on top, for sure | 00:23 |
| sitter_ | Sho_ seems to to be joyful enough without akademy though | 00:24 |
| Riddell | hola littlegirl | 00:24 |
| valorie | he's said he might come to Randa.... | 00:24 |
| valorie | but I can't go to Randa this year | 00:24 |
| valorie | ok, dinner before I die of hunger | 00:24 |
| valorie | torrenting the beta2s..... | 00:24 |
| littlegirl | Hey there. (: | 00:25 |
| soee | hiho | 00:25 |
| sitter_ | sgclark: what's the error? | 00:25 |
| * sitter_ so tired | 00:25 | |
| sgclark | sitter_: I will have to email you if I cannot fix, I am going live with my ci atm and in to many places :( | 00:26 |
| ahoneybun | littlegirl: ! | 00:26 |
| sitter_ | sgclark: ok | 00:27 |
| sitter_ | actually I might have time to do the merge tomorrow, assuming KCI doesn't blow up before I can roll an ISO ;) | 00:27 |
| sitter_ | shadeslayer: btw, thoughts on doing stable integration on apps? | 00:27 |
| littlegirl | (: | 00:28 |
| sitter_ | seems like a worthwhile investement considering the amount of apps | 00:28 |
| shadeslayer | sitter_: Not required for DCI atm | 00:28 |
| sitter_ | in general | 00:28 |
| littlegirl | I'm abandoning you guys. (: | 00:28 |
| shadeslayer | /o\ | 00:28 |
| shadeslayer | littlegirl: why | 00:28 |
| littlegirl | I'm going with MATE next Friday. (: | 00:28 |
| shadeslayer | sitter_: hm, I guess, I mean it's not like Launchpad can't take it :P | 00:28 |
| sitter_ | more like kci server doesn't .... | 00:29 |
| * shadeslayer ponders paying 7 EUR for Good Omens | 00:29 | |
| shadeslayer | a bit steep if you ask me | 00:29 |
| sitter_ | LIBRARY | 00:29 |
| shadeslayer | the internet is my library | 00:30 |
| sitter_ | the internet only asks for money on porn | 00:30 |
| sitter_ | well I am out | 00:32 |
| sitter_ | o/ | 00:32 |
| shadeslayer | y libros tambien | 00:33 |
| Riddell | littlegirl: that seems very exact, have you tried Plasma 5? | 00:34 |
| littlegirl | Yes, it's ghastly! I'm happy for those of you who like it, but it's much too much of a departure from what I love. I'm an old fashioned girl who just wants a panel and a tray and a little menu and a desktop with pretty pictures and icons on it. (: | 00:35 |
| littlegirl | I'll leave the Kubuntu help pages I have on my blog up, though, and will just be adding MATE ones to it. (: | 00:37 |
| soee | littlegirl: it has panel, systray, little menu and you can place icons on desktop http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/27/workspace20.png :D | 00:45 |
| soee | oh there are first announcements http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/download-ubuntu-15-04-beta-release | 00:47 |
| littlegirl | soee: Oh, that looks much nicer than the default installation. Can you put that bar at the bottom? | 00:49 |
| littlegirl | I'll give it another try. (: | 00:49 |
| soee | littlegirl: panel ? | 00:49 |
| soee | you can put panel where you want, bottom or top or left/right side :) | 00:50 |
| littlegirl | soee: Oh, nice! I'll download it again and give it another try. (: | 00:51 |
| soee | littlegirl: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/27/workspace21.png | 00:53 |
| littlegirl | soee: Perfect. (: | 00:53 |
| Riddell | mparillo: go go announce | 00:59 |
| mparillo | Aye Aye | 01:02 |
| mparillo | Thanks to all: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-vivid-beta-2 | 01:04 |
| Riddell | yay! | 01:05 |
| Riddell | now just 23 bugs to fix before release http://goo.gl/Chh7uh | 01:06 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Crash tracker : http://goo.gl/Cdynad | 23 bugs to fix http://goo.gl/Chh7uh | ||
| ahoneybun | oh yea! | 01:07 |
| * Riddell reports 1437101 | 01:11 | |
| * Riddell reports bug 1437101 | 01:11 | |
| ubottu | bug 1437101 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "kubuntu-notification-helper broken in vivid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437101 | 01:11 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Crash tracker : http://goo.gl/Cdynad | 24 bugs to fix http://goo.gl/Chh7uh | ||
| ahoneybun | "Kubuntu looks gorgeous" | 01:46 |
| prth | indeed, ahoneybun | 04:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: I agree with what you've talked with Riddellabout the feature tour | 05:12 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: I'll make the changes then | 05:24 |
| ahoneybun | prth: was reading a comment on OMG Ubuntu lol | 05:28 |
| ahoneybun | the move that Kubuntu is going though with Plasma 5 is what Ubuntu will go though with Unity 7 to 8 | 05:31 |
| prth | ahoneybun, cool | 05:32 |
| prth | ahoneybun, can't say about unity, but Plasma 5 is really slick | 05:33 |
| Mirv | sitter: re: qtwayland the preferred patching way would be via Debian experimental, but you can also do uploads to Ubuntu at will if you want | 08:39 |
| sitter | Mirv: I uploaded to ubuntu. the patch can be synced away with 5.4.2 anyway | 08:40 |
| Mirv | sitter: ok, great | 08:41 |
| * Mirv is building 5.5.0 alpha test packages | 08:43 | |
| Mirv | https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-020/+packages if interested - zero guarantees, unit tests and symbols disabled :) | 08:44 |
| Mirv | plus something has changed in Qt so that unit tests would not even run properly with xvfb anymore | 08:44 |
| mitya57 | Mirv: that patch makes little sense in Debian, as Debian will get a working Plasma/Kwin 5 stuff not sooner than Qt 5.4.2 release. | 08:51 |
| Mirv | mitya57: ok | 08:51 |
| alleehol | I've tested beta2 installation in virtualbox. 3 things to document fix: | 09:12 |
| alleehol | 1) virtualbox default disk size i 8 GB, default vivid is 5 GB + 3 GB swap -> disk almost full warnings after reboot | 09:13 |
| alleehol | 2) using 'install' instead of 'try' kubuntu, accpeting all defaults, installation did not properly reboot. I see black screen with a cursor in upper left (like installer exits but kernel does not reboot so one see a vt) | 09:15 |
| alleehol | 3) same a 2) but install updates + 3 party. At the end of install. I'm left with an empty screen. No: installation finished please reboot dialog. | 09:15 |
| yofel | I've seen 2) and 3), not sure if we have bugs about them (I hope so). For 1) please file a bug | 09:16 |
| alleehol | 'reseting' virtualbox (c-a-t or ACPI rebot does not work) kubuntu rebooted nevertheless successfull into login screen. | 09:17 |
| alleehol | yofel: which package? ubiquity? | 09:19 |
| yofel | alleehol: good question... Theoretically it works as intended as the installer does say that the *minimum* requirements are 7.something GB | 09:25 |
| yofel | alleehol: file it against ubiquity for lack of better idea... | 09:27 |
| yofel | that way it's at least noted somewhere | 09:27 |
| yofel | Mirv: out of curiosity: what happens with Qt in xvfb? | 09:32 |
| alleehol | yofel: and what's the 'real' bug IYHO? swap used at all/too big? Or: min. space requirement too low? Or: ... | 09:32 |
| * alleehol ponders what default swap size is used in trusty | 09:33 | |
| yofel | the min space requirement say how much you need to install at all - from that POV it's correct (you just can't install anything else) | 09:33 |
| yofel | swap sounds a bit much, but I don't know how that's calculated | 09:33 |
| Mirv | yofel: QXcbConnection: no screens available, for example https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201364301/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.qtquickcontrols-opensource-src_5.5.0~alpha-0ubuntu1~vivid1~test1_BUILDING.txt.gz | 09:37 |
| yofel | o.O | 09:37 |
| sitter | ehm | 10:26 |
| sitter | Riddell: text input in ubiquity seems broken | 10:26 |
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| mitya57 | Mirv, did you try running those tests outside Xvfb, but with QT_QPA_PLATFORM=minimal? | 10:31 |
| Riddell | sitter: err huh? | 10:34 |
| sitter | mh | 10:35 |
| sitter | Riddell: might be vbox bug | 10:35 |
| sitter | works in kvm | 10:35 |
| * sitter tries again in vbox | 10:36 | |
| sitter | Riddell: I dropped to live session, opened ubiquity went through install only to end up on the aboutme page and not being able to type | 10:36 |
| sitter | pft | 10:37 |
| sitter | works now | 10:37 |
| Riddell | wibble | 10:40 |
| Riddell | I worry that's due to the fcitx changes | 10:40 |
| sitter | that was my worry as well, but since I can't reproduce it... | 10:40 |
| sitter | I also tried to change the IM of the input fields with no change, so I am not certain it was flaky behavior caused by fcitx | 10:41 |
| Riddell | mgraesslin: what's the xcb util cursor library package called (in debian)? | 10:53 |
| mgraesslin | Riddell: libxcb-cursor0 | 10:54 |
| Riddell | kubotu: newversion xcb-util-cursor 0.1.2 | 10:58 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1437257 | 10:59 |
| soee | Riddell: can you take a look on #kubuntu what alvin asked ? | 11:13 |
| Mirv | mitya57: not yet. QA has insisted that using real rendering instead of minimal platform plugin is better, hence the xvfb use | 11:16 |
| sitter | hm | 11:31 |
| sitter | Riddell: where do we put kde apps 15.04 btw? | 11:32 |
| Riddell | we don't yet | 11:33 |
| Riddell | sgclark was going to look at them, dunno if she got round to it yet | 11:34 |
| sitter | where will we | 11:34 |
| * sitter wonders about the branch name | 11:34 | |
| Riddell | kubuntu_vivid_ppa ? | 11:35 |
| sitter | I think that should be kubuntu_vivid_backports, no? | 11:35 |
| Riddell | yes that's better | 11:35 |
| Riddell | and go into https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/beta | 11:35 |
| Riddell | and later /backports | 11:35 |
| sitter | wouldn't it then be kubuntu_vivid_beta_backports? xD | 11:35 |
| sitter | not sure the separation is worth it | 11:36 |
| sitter | alas, since we have it in the PPA doing the same on the repos would seem like one would need less brain power to compute, alas one more merge to consider | 11:36 |
| Riddell | right, keep that as simple as possible | 11:45 |
| sitter | Riddell: that means? beta_backports or not? | 11:45 |
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| * Mirv tries https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/108209/ | 12:11 | |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:29 |
| sitter | Riddell: what branch name | 12:38 |
| sitter | waaaaaaaaaa | 12:38 |
| Riddell | sitter: no keep it simple just backports | 13:21 |
| Riddell | kubuntu_vivid_backports | 13:22 |
| Riddell | unless we expect them to overlap | 13:23 |
| Riddell | but really, meh | 13:24 |
| sitter | well | 13:24 |
| sitter | apps 15.04 betas were going while 12.04 patches were coming out | 13:24 |
| sitter | so it's not impossible that we would have one release in backports while another one is in beta | 13:25 |
| sitter | might as well introduce a beta branch when that case appears though | 13:25 |
| * sitter breaks repos again | 13:26 | |
| Riddell | sitter: you doing kf5 bits only or kdelibs4 too? | 13:28 |
| sitter | creating the branch for everything | 13:28 |
| sitter | either branching kubuntu_stable or kubuntu_vivid_archive depending on which is available | 13:28 |
| * sitter wonders how backports fits into the merge order | 13:29 | |
| sitter | eek, that needs merger refactoring | 13:33 |
| * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/03/27/kubuntu-beta-2-is-out/ | 13:46 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/26/great-now-3d-printed-rifles-can-fire-7-62mm-nato-rounds/?ncid=rss_truncated | 13:57 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: so last gsoc day? | 14:14 |
| mgraesslin | hey I just might have found a problem in the packaging of breeze-cursors | 14:46 |
| mgraesslin | please compare http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/amd64/breeze-cursor-theme/filelist with http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/all/oxygen-cursor-theme/filelist | 14:46 |
| mgraesslin | for Oxygen there are files installed to /etc/X11/cursors/ but not so for breeze | 14:46 |
| sgclark | Riddell: no I have not yet been able to get to apps :( I may have over booked myself :( | 15:06 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 15:30 |
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| ahoneybun | Riddell: I don't know what happened with those +x permission changes | 17:34 |
| ahoneybun | sorry about that | 17:35 |
| soee_ | http://www.itworld.com/article/2903136/the-9-best-distros-for-kdes-plasma-desktop.html#slide3 | 18:36 |
| mparillo | soee_: Not bad to be on the second slide, but on the first, "I consider openSUSE to be the best KDE Plasma distribution." | 18:40 |
| soee_ | i know :) | 18:41 |
| soee_ | well for me Kubuntu is :D | 18:41 |
| mparillo | I agree. Open SuSE never felt right to me, NetRunner had too many customizations and was slow in a VM. Fedora was dog-slow in a VM, and I am not smart enough for Debian, let alone Arch. Only Linux Mint KDE came close to Kubuntu. On the bright side, his Kubuntu Slide is Plasma 5; his Open SuSE slide is Plasma 4. | 18:44 |
| mparillo | I also think there is (or at least was the last time I looked closely) a minor technical error. "Linux Mint builds on top of the great work done by Kubuntu teams and polishes it further." I thought Linux Mint was KDE atop Ubuntu, not a kustomized ha! Kubuntu | 18:46 |
| soee_ | ;] | 18:51 |
| ScottK | mparillo: It's all one repository, so if you're building off of the Ubuntu repository, you're using the Kubuntu KDE packages. | 19:08 |
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| mparillo | TY, and I probably should have taken my follow-up to #kubuntu-offtopic. My initial response was to pause on sharing the slide-show. | 19:26 |
| darthanubis | kmail won't run with mysql backend again | 19:33 |
| darthanubis | switching to sqlite allows kmail to work again | 19:33 |
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| mu3en | hey everyone. is there any discussion on tuning login times for 15.04 ongoing? | 21:05 |
| soee_ | mu3en: login times ? | 21:06 |
| mu3en | i suppose technically i mean plasma startup time soee_ | 21:07 |
| soee_ | mu3en: tuning how ? :) | 21:08 |
| mu3en | like not waiting ten times longer than my boot time for the desktop to load... | 21:08 |
| mu3en | i know my boot time is relatively short...but still... | 21:09 |
| soee_ | i do not know anything os such improvements now | 21:10 |
| soee_ | prioriy is to get existing bugs fixedbefore final release | 21:11 |
| mu3en | that's cool | 21:12 |
| mu3en | like i said, it's probably not a big one, hence no discussion on the web... | 21:12 |
| mu3en | though the devs might be fussing with it since they're the ones that usually stress at those extra seconds. | 21:13 |
| mu3en | just feels like a long time sitting on the plasma login splash screen compared to either Plasma 4 (what?) or others. | 21:15 |
| mu3en | and i should point out this issue is the same across distros (Ubuntu/Arch/KaOS/...) | 21:15 |
| yofel | mu3en: we might have dependency based system bootup, but the plasma5 startup script is pretty much the one from kde4 so login time should be about the same | 21:24 |
| yofel | replacing that with something new is somewhere on the upstream todo list, but not a priority right now | 21:24 |
| mu3en | thanks yofel, that makes sense | 21:28 |
| mu3en | been a little while since i used 4, and the intervening time with xinit and i3 probably borked my memory | 21:29 |
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| Riddell | soee_: I think swapnil is just annoyed I gave the 10 year article to lwn and not him | 22:16 |
| soee_ | Riddell: but what are we talking about ? :) my mind is on different tasks now | 22:18 |
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