[00:01] Riddell: updated LO will be in Vivid before final release ? [00:02] soee: I hope so [00:02] LO maintainer says he's onto it [00:02] ah cool :) [00:02] yofel: on a restart, SDDM started sucessfully all by its lil self [00:03] thank you for your help yesterday [00:03] soee: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764/comments/7 [00:03] Launchpad bug 1435764 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FFe UI exception for LibreOffice Breeze Icons" [Undecided,Fix committed] [00:03] valorie: have you tried a daily image? [00:10] Riddell: nice, icons work well [00:11] LO dropdowns missing some paddings [00:13] sgclark: what are you merging? [00:14] soee: you tried it from that LO PPA? [00:14] Riddell: yes [00:15] soee: great, can you comment on the bug? [00:18] sitter_: was going to run the new RC for applications so that would be unstable.. ? [00:18] I fixed up the gem script with the appropriate values. but it barfed on missing git module [00:19] yeah you have to twiddle the script code [00:19] switch kubuntu_stable to kubuntu_unstable and plasma/ to applications/ [00:19] yep did that [00:19] sgclark: gem install git [00:19] all good there, how on earth do I install modules with rvm ruby [00:19] ahoneybun: no, I just got home from picking up my new car and giving blood [00:19] ISOs, MD5s, are SHAs are uploaded to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/beta-2/ [00:19] it did not like that :( [00:19] now about to eat dinner [00:19] valorie: big day [00:19] and will be gone all weekend [00:20] sgclark: then your rvm is not set up correctly [00:20] tired! [00:20] mparillo: it's not out until it's announced on ubuntu-devel-announce [00:20] ahh okies [00:20] valorie: did you see the message from the other day [00:20] mparillo: mirrors always go out a couple of hours early [00:20] about? [00:20] 22:53 < infinity> Riddell: Just synced mirrors now, so going to give in some time to settle. Maybe a couple of hours. [00:20] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764/comments/8 [00:20] it's now 00:20 [00:20] Launchpad bug 1435764 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "FFe UI exception for LibreOffice Breeze Icons" [Undecided,Fix committed] [00:20] sgclark: what's the output of gem install git [00:20] valorie: I'm going to akademy [00:21] \o/ [00:21] \o/ [00:21] love the community! [00:21] for donations [00:21] sgclark: I'll check around tonight on flights and email ya [00:22] valorie: btw, I take j-b's maybe as a no :P [00:22] valorie: ok thanks :) [00:22] we should get our application for $$ into Ubuntu Comm. soon [00:22] yeah [00:22] sitter_: how can I bribe you successfully? [00:23] I dunno. it's just such a bother [00:23] I'd even have to get a white suit or two [00:23] 'tis [00:23] what with being in summer in the south [00:23] heh [00:23] needs white suit obviously [00:23] sitter_: it's an adventure! [00:23] the bother is totes worth the joy and exhaustion [00:23] adventure is the whipped cream on top, for sure [00:24] Sho_ seems to to be joyful enough without akademy though [00:24] hola littlegirl [00:24] he's said he might come to Randa.... [00:24] but I can't go to Randa this year [00:24] ok, dinner before I die of hunger [00:24] torrenting the beta2s..... [00:25] Hey there. (: [00:25] hiho [00:25] sgclark: what's the error? [00:25] * sitter_ so tired [00:26] sitter_: I will have to email you if I cannot fix, I am going live with my ci atm and in to many places :( [00:26] littlegirl: ! [00:27] sgclark: ok [00:27] actually I might have time to do the merge tomorrow, assuming KCI doesn't blow up before I can roll an ISO ;) [00:27] shadeslayer: btw, thoughts on doing stable integration on apps? [00:28] (: [00:28] seems like a worthwhile investement considering the amount of apps [00:28] sitter_: Not required for DCI atm [00:28] in general [00:28] I'm abandoning you guys. (: [00:28] /o\ [00:28] littlegirl: why [00:28] I'm going with MATE next Friday. (: [00:28] sitter_: hm, I guess, I mean it's not like Launchpad can't take it :P [00:29] more like kci server doesn't .... [00:29] * shadeslayer ponders paying 7 EUR for Good Omens [00:29] a bit steep if you ask me [00:29] LIBRARY [00:30] the internet is my library [00:30] the internet only asks for money on porn [00:32] well I am out [00:32] o/ [00:33] y libros tambien [00:34] littlegirl: that seems very exact, have you tried Plasma 5? [00:35] Yes, it's ghastly! I'm happy for those of you who like it, but it's much too much of a departure from what I love. I'm an old fashioned girl who just wants a panel and a tray and a little menu and a desktop with pretty pictures and icons on it. (: [00:37] I'll leave the Kubuntu help pages I have on my blog up, though, and will just be adding MATE ones to it. (: [00:45] littlegirl: it has panel, systray, little menu and you can place icons on desktop http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/27/workspace20.png :D [00:47] oh there are first announcements http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/download-ubuntu-15-04-beta-release [00:49] soee: Oh, that looks much nicer than the default installation. Can you put that bar at the bottom? [00:49] I'll give it another try. (: [00:49] littlegirl: panel ? [00:50] you can put panel where you want, bottom or top or left/right side :) [00:51] soee: Oh, nice! I'll download it again and give it another try. (: [00:53] littlegirl: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/27/workspace21.png [00:53] soee: Perfect. (: [00:59] mparillo: go go announce [01:02] Aye Aye [01:04] Thanks to all: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-vivid-beta-2 [01:05] yay! [01:06] now just 23 bugs to fix before release http://goo.gl/Chh7uh === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Crash tracker : http://goo.gl/Cdynad | 23 bugs to fix http://goo.gl/Chh7uh [01:07] oh yea! [01:11] * Riddell reports 1437101 [01:11] * Riddell reports bug 1437101 [01:11] bug 1437101 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "kubuntu-notification-helper broken in vivid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437101 === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Crash tracker : http://goo.gl/Cdynad | 24 bugs to fix http://goo.gl/Chh7uh [01:46] "Kubuntu looks gorgeous" [04:49] indeed, ahoneybun [05:12] ahoneybun: I agree with what you've talked with Riddellabout the feature tour [05:24] ovidiu-florin: I'll make the changes then [05:28] prth: was reading a comment on OMG Ubuntu lol [05:31] the move that Kubuntu is going though with Plasma 5 is what Ubuntu will go though with Unity 7 to 8 [05:32] ahoneybun, cool [05:33] ahoneybun, can't say about unity, but Plasma 5 is really slick [08:39] sitter: re: qtwayland the preferred patching way would be via Debian experimental, but you can also do uploads to Ubuntu at will if you want [08:40] Mirv: I uploaded to ubuntu. the patch can be synced away with 5.4.2 anyway [08:41] sitter: ok, great [08:43] * Mirv is building 5.5.0 alpha test packages [08:44] https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-020/+packages if interested - zero guarantees, unit tests and symbols disabled :) [08:44] plus something has changed in Qt so that unit tests would not even run properly with xvfb anymore [08:51] Mirv: that patch makes little sense in Debian, as Debian will get a working Plasma/Kwin 5 stuff not sooner than Qt 5.4.2 release. [08:51] mitya57: ok [09:12] I've tested beta2 installation in virtualbox. 3 things to document fix: [09:13] 1) virtualbox default disk size i 8 GB, default vivid is 5 GB + 3 GB swap -> disk almost full warnings after reboot [09:15] 2) using 'install' instead of 'try' kubuntu, accpeting all defaults, installation did not properly reboot. I see black screen with a cursor in upper left (like installer exits but kernel does not reboot so one see a vt) [09:15] 3) same a 2) but install updates + 3 party. At the end of install. I'm left with an empty screen. No: installation finished please reboot dialog. [09:16] I've seen 2) and 3), not sure if we have bugs about them (I hope so). For 1) please file a bug [09:17] 'reseting' virtualbox (c-a-t or ACPI rebot does not work) kubuntu rebooted nevertheless successfull into login screen. [09:19] yofel: which package? ubiquity? [09:25] alleehol: good question... Theoretically it works as intended as the installer does say that the *minimum* requirements are 7.something GB [09:27] alleehol: file it against ubiquity for lack of better idea... [09:27] that way it's at least noted somewhere [09:32] Mirv: out of curiosity: what happens with Qt in xvfb? [09:32] yofel: and what's the 'real' bug IYHO? swap used at all/too big? Or: min. space requirement too low? Or: ... [09:33] * alleehol ponders what default swap size is used in trusty [09:33] the min space requirement say how much you need to install at all - from that POV it's correct (you just can't install anything else) [09:33] swap sounds a bit much, but I don't know how that's calculated [09:37] yofel: QXcbConnection: no screens available, for example https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201364301/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.qtquickcontrols-opensource-src_5.5.0~alpha-0ubuntu1~vivid1~test1_BUILDING.txt.gz [09:37] o.O [10:26] ehm [10:26] Riddell: text input in ubiquity seems broken === greyback__ is now known as greyback [10:31] Mirv, did you try running those tests outside Xvfb, but with QT_QPA_PLATFORM=minimal? [10:34] sitter: err huh? [10:35] mh [10:35] Riddell: might be vbox bug [10:35] works in kvm [10:36] * sitter tries again in vbox [10:36] Riddell: I dropped to live session, opened ubiquity went through install only to end up on the aboutme page and not being able to type [10:37] pft [10:37] works now [10:40] wibble [10:40] I worry that's due to the fcitx changes [10:40] that was my worry as well, but since I can't reproduce it... [10:41] I also tried to change the IM of the input fields with no change, so I am not certain it was flaky behavior caused by fcitx [10:53] mgraesslin: what's the xcb util cursor library package called (in debian)? [10:54] Riddell: libxcb-cursor0 [10:58] kubotu: newversion xcb-util-cursor 0.1.2 [10:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1437257 [11:13] Riddell: can you take a look on #kubuntu what alvin asked ? [11:16] mitya57: not yet. QA has insisted that using real rendering instead of minimal platform plugin is better, hence the xvfb use [11:31] hm [11:32] Riddell: where do we put kde apps 15.04 btw? [11:33] we don't yet [11:34] sgclark was going to look at them, dunno if she got round to it yet [11:34] where will we [11:34] * sitter wonders about the branch name [11:35] kubuntu_vivid_ppa ? [11:35] I think that should be kubuntu_vivid_backports, no? [11:35] yes that's better [11:35] and go into https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/beta [11:35] and later /backports [11:35] wouldn't it then be kubuntu_vivid_beta_backports? xD [11:36] not sure the separation is worth it [11:36] alas, since we have it in the PPA doing the same on the repos would seem like one would need less brain power to compute, alas one more merge to consider [11:45] right, keep that as simple as possible [11:45] Riddell: that means? beta_backports or not? === d__ed is now known as d_ed [12:11] * Mirv tries https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/108209/ [12:29] Hiyas all [12:38] Riddell: what branch name [12:38] waaaaaaaaaa [13:21] sitter: no keep it simple just backports [13:22] kubuntu_vivid_backports [13:23] unless we expect them to overlap [13:24] but really, meh [13:24] well [13:24] apps 15.04 betas were going while 12.04 patches were coming out [13:25] so it's not impossible that we would have one release in backports while another one is in beta [13:25] might as well introduce a beta branch when that case appears though [13:26] * sitter breaks repos again [13:28] sitter: you doing kf5 bits only or kdelibs4 too? [13:28] creating the branch for everything [13:28] either branching kubuntu_stable or kubuntu_vivid_archive depending on which is available [13:29] * sitter wonders how backports fits into the merge order [13:33] eek, that needs merger refactoring [13:46] * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/03/27/kubuntu-beta-2-is-out/ [13:57] Riddell: http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/26/great-now-3d-printed-rifles-can-fire-7-62mm-nato-rounds/?ncid=rss_truncated [14:14] Quintasan: so last gsoc day? [14:46] hey I just might have found a problem in the packaging of breeze-cursors [14:46] please compare http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/amd64/breeze-cursor-theme/filelist with http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/all/oxygen-cursor-theme/filelist [14:46] for Oxygen there are files installed to /etc/X11/cursors/ but not so for breeze [15:06] Riddell: no I have not yet been able to get to apps :( I may have over booked myself :( [15:30] Good afternoon. === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter === ahoneybun_ is now known as ahoneybun [17:34] Riddell: I don't know what happened with those +x permission changes [17:35] sorry about that [18:36] http://www.itworld.com/article/2903136/the-9-best-distros-for-kdes-plasma-desktop.html#slide3 [18:40] soee_: Not bad to be on the second slide, but on the first, "I consider openSUSE to be the best KDE Plasma distribution." [18:41] i know :) [18:41] well for me Kubuntu is :D [18:44] I agree. Open SuSE never felt right to me, NetRunner had too many customizations and was slow in a VM. Fedora was dog-slow in a VM, and I am not smart enough for Debian, let alone Arch. Only Linux Mint KDE came close to Kubuntu. On the bright side, his Kubuntu Slide is Plasma 5; his Open SuSE slide is Plasma 4. [18:46] I also think there is (or at least was the last time I looked closely) a minor technical error. "Linux Mint builds on top of the great work done by Kubuntu teams and polishes it further." I thought Linux Mint was KDE atop Ubuntu, not a kustomized ha! Kubuntu [18:51] ;] [19:08] mparillo: It's all one repository, so if you're building off of the Ubuntu repository, you're using the Kubuntu KDE packages. === eddie is now known as Guest45201 === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [19:26] TY, and I probably should have taken my follow-up to #kubuntu-offtopic. My initial response was to pause on sharing the slide-show. [19:33] kmail won't run with mysql backend again [19:33] switching to sqlite allows kmail to work again === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [21:05] hey everyone. is there any discussion on tuning login times for 15.04 ongoing? [21:06] mu3en: login times ? [21:07] i suppose technically i mean plasma startup time soee_ [21:08] mu3en: tuning how ? :) [21:08] like not waiting ten times longer than my boot time for the desktop to load... [21:09] i know my boot time is relatively short...but still... [21:10] i do not know anything os such improvements now [21:11] prioriy is to get existing bugs fixedbefore final release [21:12] that's cool [21:12] like i said, it's probably not a big one, hence no discussion on the web... [21:13] though the devs might be fussing with it since they're the ones that usually stress at those extra seconds. [21:15] just feels like a long time sitting on the plasma login splash screen compared to either Plasma 4 (what?) or others. [21:15] and i should point out this issue is the same across distros (Ubuntu/Arch/KaOS/...) [21:24] mu3en: we might have dependency based system bootup, but the plasma5 startup script is pretty much the one from kde4 so login time should be about the same [21:24] replacing that with something new is somewhere on the upstream todo list, but not a priority right now [21:28] thanks yofel, that makes sense [21:29] been a little while since i used 4, and the intervening time with xinit and i3 probably borked my memory === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [22:16] soee_: I think swapnil is just annoyed I gave the 10 year article to lwn and not him [22:18] Riddell: but what are we talking about ? :) my mind is on different tasks now