[00:01] <soee> Riddell: updated LO will be in Vivid before final release ?
[00:02] <Riddell> soee: I hope so
[00:02] <Riddell> LO maintainer says he's onto it
[00:02] <soee> ah cool :)
[00:02] <valorie> yofel: on a restart, SDDM started sucessfully all by its lil self
[00:03] <valorie> thank you for your help yesterday
[00:03] <Riddell> soee: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764/comments/7
[00:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: have you tried a daily image?
[00:10] <soee> Riddell: nice, icons work well
[00:11] <soee> LO dropdowns missing some paddings 
[00:13] <sitter_> sgclark: what are you merging?
[00:14] <Riddell> soee: you tried it from that LO PPA?
[00:14] <soee> Riddell: yes
[00:15] <Riddell> soee: great, can you comment on the bug?
[00:18] <sgclark> sitter_: was going to run the new RC for applications so that would be unstable.. ? 
[00:18] <sgclark> I fixed up the gem script with the appropriate values. but it barfed on missing git module
[00:19] <sitter_> yeah you have to twiddle the script code 
[00:19] <sitter_> switch kubuntu_stable to kubuntu_unstable and plasma/ to applications/
[00:19] <sgclark> yep did that
[00:19] <sitter_> sgclark: gem install git
[00:19] <sgclark> all good there, how on earth do I install modules with rvm ruby
[00:19] <valorie> ahoneybun: no, I just got home from picking up my new car and giving blood
[00:19] <mparillo> ISOs, MD5s, are SHAs are uploaded to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/beta-2/
[00:19] <sgclark> it did not like that :(
[00:19] <valorie> now about to eat dinner
[00:19] <ahoneybun> valorie: big day
[00:19] <valorie> and will be gone all weekend
[00:20] <sitter_> sgclark: then your rvm is not set up correctly
[00:20] <valorie> tired!
[00:20] <Riddell> mparillo: it's not out until it's announced on ubuntu-devel-announce
[00:20] <sgclark> ahh okies
[00:20] <ahoneybun> valorie: did you see the message from the other day
[00:20] <Riddell> mparillo: mirrors always go out a couple of hours early
[00:20] <valorie> about?
[00:20] <Riddell> 22:53 < infinity> Riddell: Just synced mirrors now, so going to give in some time to settle.  Maybe a couple of hours.
[00:20] <soee> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1435764/comments/8
[00:20] <Riddell> it's now 00:20
[00:20] <sitter_> sgclark: what's the output of gem install git
[00:20] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm going to akademy
[00:21] <valorie> \o/
[00:21] <ahoneybun> \o/
[00:21] <ahoneybun> love the community!
[00:21] <ahoneybun> for donations
[00:21] <valorie> sgclark: I'll check around tonight on flights and email ya
[00:22] <sitter_> valorie: btw, I take j-b's maybe as a no :P
[00:22] <sgclark> valorie: ok thanks :)
[00:22] <valorie> we should get our application for $$ into Ubuntu Comm. soon
[00:22] <sgclark> yeah
[00:22] <valorie> sitter_: how can I bribe you successfully?
[00:23] <sitter_> I dunno. it's just such a bother
[00:23] <sitter_> I'd even have to get a white suit or two
[00:23] <valorie> 'tis
[00:23] <sitter_> what with being in summer in the south
[00:23] <valorie> heh
[00:23] <sitter_> needs white suit obviously
[00:23] <Riddell> sitter_: it's an adventure!
[00:23] <valorie> the bother is totes worth the joy and exhaustion
[00:23] <valorie> adventure is the whipped cream on top, for sure
[00:24] <sitter_> Sho_ seems to to be joyful enough without akademy though
[00:24] <Riddell> hola littlegirl 
[00:24] <valorie> he's said he might come to Randa....
[00:24] <valorie> but I can't go to Randa this year
[00:24] <valorie> ok, dinner before I die of hunger
[00:24] <valorie> torrenting the beta2s.....
[00:25] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[00:25] <soee> hiho
[00:25] <sitter_> sgclark: what's the error?
[00:25]  * sitter_ so tired
[00:26] <sgclark> sitter_: I will have to email you if I cannot fix, I am going live with my ci atm and in to many places :(
[00:26] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: !
[00:27] <sitter_> sgclark: ok
[00:27] <sitter_> actually I might have time to do the merge tomorrow, assuming KCI doesn't blow up before I can roll an ISO ;)
[00:27] <sitter_> shadeslayer: btw, thoughts on doing stable integration on apps?
[00:28] <littlegirl> (:
[00:28] <sitter_> seems like a worthwhile investement considering the amount of apps
[00:28] <shadeslayer> sitter_: Not required for DCI atm
[00:28] <sitter_> in general
[00:28] <littlegirl> I'm abandoning you guys. (:
[00:28] <shadeslayer> /o\
[00:28] <shadeslayer> littlegirl: why
[00:28] <littlegirl> I'm going with MATE next Friday. (:
[00:28] <shadeslayer> sitter_: hm, I guess, I mean it's not like Launchpad can't take it :P
[00:29] <sitter_> more like kci server doesn't ....
[00:29]  * shadeslayer ponders paying 7 EUR for Good Omens
[00:29] <shadeslayer> a bit steep if you ask me
[00:29] <sitter_> LIBRARY
[00:30] <shadeslayer> the internet is my library
[00:30] <sitter_> the internet only asks for money on porn
[00:32] <sitter_> well I am out
[00:32] <sitter_> o/
[00:33] <shadeslayer> y libros tambien
[00:34] <Riddell> littlegirl: that seems very exact, have you tried Plasma 5?
[00:35] <littlegirl> Yes, it's ghastly! I'm happy for those of you who like it, but it's much too much of a departure from what I love. I'm an old fashioned girl who just wants a panel and a tray and a little menu and a desktop with pretty pictures and icons on it. (:
[00:37] <littlegirl> I'll leave the Kubuntu help pages I have on my blog up, though, and will just be adding MATE ones to it. (:
[00:45] <soee> littlegirl: it has panel, systray, little menu and you can place icons on desktop http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/27/workspace20.png :D
[00:47] <soee> oh there are first announcements http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/download-ubuntu-15-04-beta-release
[00:49] <littlegirl> soee: Oh, that looks much nicer than the default installation. Can you put that bar at the bottom?
[00:49] <littlegirl> I'll give it another try. (:
[00:49] <soee> littlegirl: panel ?
[00:50] <soee> you can  put panel where you want, bottom or top or left/right side :)
[00:51] <littlegirl> soee: Oh, nice! I'll download it again and give it another try. (:
[00:53] <soee> littlegirl: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/27/workspace21.png
[00:53] <littlegirl> soee: Perfect. (:
[00:59] <Riddell> mparillo: go go announce
[01:02] <mparillo> Aye Aye
[01:04] <mparillo> Thanks to all: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-vivid-beta-2
[01:05] <Riddell> yay!
[01:06] <Riddell> now just 23 bugs to fix before release http://goo.gl/Chh7uh
[01:07] <ahoneybun> oh yea!
[01:11]  * Riddell reports 1437101
[01:11]  * Riddell reports bug 1437101
[01:46] <ahoneybun> "Kubuntu looks gorgeous"
[04:49] <prth> indeed, ahoneybun
[05:12] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I agree with what you've talked with Riddellabout the feature tour
[05:24] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I'll make the changes then
[05:28] <ahoneybun> prth: was reading a comment on OMG Ubuntu lol
[05:31] <ahoneybun> the move that Kubuntu is going though with Plasma 5 is what Ubuntu will go though with Unity 7 to 8
[05:32] <prth> ahoneybun, cool
[05:33] <prth> ahoneybun, can't say about unity, but Plasma 5 is really slick
[08:39] <Mirv> sitter: re: qtwayland the preferred patching way would be via Debian experimental, but you can also do uploads to Ubuntu at will if you want
[08:40] <sitter> Mirv: I uploaded to ubuntu. the patch can be synced away with 5.4.2 anyway
[08:41] <Mirv> sitter: ok, great
[08:43]  * Mirv is building 5.5.0 alpha test packages
[08:44] <Mirv> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-020/+packages if interested - zero guarantees, unit tests and symbols disabled :)
[08:44] <Mirv> plus something has changed in Qt so that unit tests would not even run properly with xvfb anymore
[08:51] <mitya57> Mirv: that patch makes little sense in Debian, as Debian will get a working Plasma/Kwin 5 stuff not sooner than Qt 5.4.2 release.
[08:51] <Mirv> mitya57: ok
[09:12] <alleehol> I've tested beta2 installation in virtualbox.    3  things to document fix:
[09:13] <alleehol> 1) virtualbox default disk size i 8 GB,  default vivid is 5 GB + 3 GB swap -> disk almost full warnings after reboot
[09:15] <alleehol> 2) using 'install' instead of 'try' kubuntu, accpeting all defaults, installation did not properly reboot.  I see  black screen with a cursor in upper left  (like installer exits but kernel  does not reboot so one see a vt)
[09:15] <alleehol> 3)  same a 2) but install updates + 3 party.  At the end of install.  I'm left with an empty screen.  No: installation finished please reboot dialog.
[09:16] <yofel> I've seen 2) and 3), not sure if we have bugs about them (I hope so). For 1) please file a bug
[09:17] <alleehol> 'reseting' virtualbox (c-a-t or ACPI rebot does not work)  kubuntu rebooted nevertheless successfull into login screen.
[09:19] <alleehol> yofel: which package? ubiquity?
[09:25] <yofel> alleehol: good question... Theoretically it works as intended as the installer does say that the *minimum* requirements are 7.something GB
[09:27] <yofel> alleehol: file it against ubiquity for lack of better idea...
[09:27] <yofel> that way it's at least noted somewhere
[09:32] <yofel> Mirv: out of curiosity: what happens with Qt in xvfb?
[09:32] <alleehol> yofel: and what's the 'real' bug  IYHO?  swap  used at all/too big?  Or: min. space requirement too low?  Or: ...
[09:33]  * alleehol ponders what default swap size is used in trusty 
[09:33] <yofel> the min space requirement say how much you need to install at all - from that POV it's correct (you just can't install anything else)
[09:33] <yofel> swap sounds a bit much, but I don't know how that's calculated
[09:37] <Mirv> yofel: QXcbConnection: no screens available, for example https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201364301/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.qtquickcontrols-opensource-src_5.5.0~alpha-0ubuntu1~vivid1~test1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:37] <yofel> o.O
[10:26] <sitter> ehm
[10:26] <sitter> Riddell: text input in ubiquity seems broken
[10:31] <mitya57> Mirv, did you try running those tests outside Xvfb, but with QT_QPA_PLATFORM=minimal?
[10:34] <Riddell> sitter: err huh?
[10:35] <sitter> mh
[10:35] <sitter> Riddell: might be vbox bug
[10:35] <sitter> works in kvm
[10:36]  * sitter tries again in vbox
[10:36] <sitter> Riddell: I dropped to live session, opened ubiquity went through install only to end up on the aboutme page and not being able to type
[10:37] <sitter> pft
[10:37] <sitter> works now
[10:40] <Riddell> wibble
[10:40] <Riddell> I worry that's due to the fcitx changes
[10:40] <sitter> that was my worry as well, but since I can't reproduce it...
[10:41] <sitter> I also tried to change the IM of the input fields with no change, so I am not certain it was flaky behavior caused by fcitx
[10:53] <Riddell> mgraesslin: what's the xcb util cursor library package called (in debian)?
[10:54] <mgraesslin> Riddell: libxcb-cursor0
[10:58] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion xcb-util-cursor 0.1.2
[10:59] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1437257
[11:13] <soee> Riddell: can you take a look on #kubuntu what alvin asked ?
[11:16] <Mirv> mitya57: not yet. QA has insisted that using real rendering instead of minimal platform plugin is better, hence the xvfb use
[11:31] <sitter> hm
[11:32] <sitter> Riddell: where do we put kde apps 15.04 btw?
[11:33] <Riddell> we don't yet
[11:34] <Riddell> sgclark was going to look at them, dunno if she got round to it yet
[11:34] <sitter> where will we
[11:34]  * sitter wonders about the branch name
[11:35] <Riddell> kubuntu_vivid_ppa ?
[11:35] <sitter> I think that should be kubuntu_vivid_backports, no?
[11:35] <Riddell> yes that's better
[11:35] <Riddell> and go into https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/beta
[11:35] <Riddell> and later /backports
[11:35] <sitter> wouldn't it then be kubuntu_vivid_beta_backports? xD
[11:36] <sitter> not sure the separation is worth it
[11:36] <sitter> alas, since we have it in the PPA doing the same on the repos would seem like one would need less brain power to compute, alas one more merge to consider
[11:45] <Riddell> right, keep that as simple as possible
[11:45] <sitter> Riddell: that means? beta_backports or not?
[12:11]  * Mirv tries https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/108209/
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:38] <sitter> Riddell: what branch name
[12:38] <sitter> waaaaaaaaaa
[13:21] <Riddell> sitter: no keep it simple just backports
[13:22] <Riddell> kubuntu_vivid_backports
[13:23] <Riddell> unless we expect them to overlap
[13:24] <Riddell> but really, meh
[13:24] <sitter> well
[13:24] <sitter> apps 15.04 betas were going while 12.04 patches were coming out
[13:25] <sitter> so it's not impossible that we would have one release in backports while another one is in beta
[13:25] <sitter> might as well introduce a beta branch when that case appears though
[13:26]  * sitter breaks repos again
[13:28] <Riddell> sitter: you doing kf5 bits only or kdelibs4 too?
[13:28] <sitter> creating the branch for everything
[13:28] <sitter> either branching kubuntu_stable or kubuntu_vivid_archive depending on which is available
[13:29]  * sitter wonders how backports fits into the merge order
[13:33] <sitter> eek, that needs merger refactoring
[13:46]  * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/03/27/kubuntu-beta-2-is-out/
[13:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/26/great-now-3d-printed-rifles-can-fire-7-62mm-nato-rounds/?ncid=rss_truncated
[14:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: so last gsoc day?
[14:46] <mgraesslin> hey I just might have found a problem in the packaging of breeze-cursors
[14:46] <mgraesslin> please compare http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/amd64/breeze-cursor-theme/filelist with http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/all/oxygen-cursor-theme/filelist
[14:46] <mgraesslin> for Oxygen there are files installed to /etc/X11/cursors/ but not so for breeze
[15:06] <sgclark> Riddell: no I have not yet been able to get to apps :( I may have over booked myself :(
[15:30] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[17:34] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I don't know what happened with those +x permission changes
[17:35] <ahoneybun> sorry about that
[18:36] <soee_> http://www.itworld.com/article/2903136/the-9-best-distros-for-kdes-plasma-desktop.html#slide3
[18:40] <mparillo> soee_: Not bad to be on the second slide, but on the first, "I consider openSUSE to be the best KDE Plasma distribution."
[18:41] <soee_> i know :)
[18:41] <soee_> well for me Kubuntu is :D
[18:44] <mparillo> I agree. Open SuSE never felt right to me, NetRunner had too many customizations and was slow in a VM. Fedora was dog-slow in a VM, and I am not smart enough for Debian, let alone Arch. Only Linux Mint KDE came close to Kubuntu. On the bright side, his Kubuntu Slide is Plasma 5; his Open SuSE slide is Plasma 4.
[18:46] <mparillo> I also think there is (or at least was the last time I looked closely) a minor technical error. "Linux Mint builds on top of the great work done by Kubuntu teams and polishes it further." I thought Linux Mint was KDE atop Ubuntu, not a kustomized ha! Kubuntu
[18:51] <soee_> ;]
[19:08] <ScottK> mparillo: It's all one repository, so if you're building off of the Ubuntu repository, you're using the Kubuntu KDE packages.
[19:26] <mparillo> TY, and I probably should have taken my follow-up to #kubuntu-offtopic. My initial response was to pause on sharing the slide-show.
[19:33] <darthanubis> kmail won't run with mysql backend again
[19:33] <darthanubis> switching to sqlite allows kmail to work again
[21:05] <mu3en> hey everyone. is there any discussion on tuning login times for 15.04 ongoing?
[21:06] <soee_> mu3en: login times ?
[21:07] <mu3en> i suppose technically i mean plasma startup time soee_
[21:08] <soee_> mu3en: tuning how ? :)
[21:08] <mu3en> like not waiting ten times longer than my boot time for the desktop to load...
[21:09] <mu3en> i know my boot time is relatively short...but still...
[21:10] <soee_> i do not know anything os such improvements now
[21:11] <soee_> prioriy is to get existing bugs fixedbefore final release
[21:12] <mu3en> that's cool
[21:12] <mu3en> like i said, it's probably not a big one, hence no discussion on the web...
[21:13] <mu3en> though the devs might be fussing with it since they're the ones that usually stress at those extra seconds.
[21:15] <mu3en> just feels like a long time sitting on the plasma login splash screen compared to either Plasma 4 (what?) or others.
[21:15] <mu3en> and i should point out this issue is the same across distros (Ubuntu/Arch/KaOS/...)
[21:24] <yofel> mu3en: we might have dependency based system bootup, but the plasma5 startup script is pretty much the one from kde4 so login time should be about the same
[21:24] <yofel> replacing that with something new is somewhere on the upstream todo list, but not a priority right now
[21:28] <mu3en> thanks yofel, that makes sense
[21:29] <mu3en> been a little while since i used 4, and the intervening time with xinit and i3 probably borked my memory
[22:16] <Riddell> soee_: I think swapnil is just annoyed I gave the 10 year article to lwn and not him
[22:18] <soee_> Riddell: but what are we talking about ? :) my mind is on different tasks now