[11:56] <bazhang> using eclipse on gnome: why so slow???
[13:57] <bazhang> nice call
[13:57] <bazhang> I new quietirssi
[13:57] <bazhang> and knew
[16:19] <genii> What's with Pikish ?
[16:19] <rww> yet another anonymous idiot
[16:19] <rww> probably the same one as the last 10 times
[16:20] <rww> when's the next IRC Team meeting?
[16:21] <genii> Didn't see anything yet on mailing list. Likely whatever's on the fridge still
[16:22] <rww> maybe i should just straw-poll -ot operators on +r in #ubuntu-offtopic and see what happens
[16:23] <genii> +1 for me
[16:24] <rww> (or ranked a) +r, b) +q $~a, c) further discussion)
[16:25] <rww> yeah, I see a bunch of +1s, and a bunch of institutional inertia, hence me thinking of polling and then jfdi if there's consensus
[16:30] <k1l_> what about muting unregistered and giving them a howto register when joining from the bot?
[16:31] <k1l_> seeing user coming to #u complaining that $otherchannel is +r keeps me thinking ubuntu channels are the last ones not +r
[16:32] <rww> i have no problem with muting and auto bot notice
[16:32] <rww> probably would help the people who fail at autoidentify
[16:33] <rww> (and join before identifying, then identify a couple of seconds later)
[16:56] <ikonia> rww: +10
[16:56] <ikonia> +r for offtopic
[17:14] <IdleOne> +1 +r -ot
[17:15] <IdleOne> rejected!
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[21:37] <phunyguy> rww: +1 for option b.
[21:40] <phunyguy> I agree with it being a bit easier for folks that are silly about autoidentifying. +r is more drastic but achieves the same thing.
[21:41] <phunyguy> however there are still those turds out there that will join a channel just to be silly by PMing users, and /notifies, etc. If they can't join, they don't get the userlist.  But I think we should at least start with the +q $~a.
[21:42] <elky> most of those people are quite capable of finding the opped users
[21:43] <phunyguy> indeed.
[21:43] <elky> potentially we could have a bot opped telling them to reg if they PM it. not sure i like that idea but it's an option
[21:44] <phunyguy> but with +r you also get the benefit of forwarding to an unregged channel... so there's that.
[21:44] <phunyguy> humph.
[21:44] <phunyguy> I still lean on the side of +q.
[21:45] <elky> amusingly, trolls will happily converse among themselves in unregged channels if they think it's sufficiently populated
[21:47] <phunyguy> as in talk to themselves because they don't realize it is +m?
[21:47] <IdleOne> themselves and each other
[21:48] <elky> if the unregged channel isn't +m
[21:48] <rww> #freenode-unreg being a good example
[21:48] <phunyguy> ahh
[21:48] <rww> problem then is all the legitimate users who aren't identified have to put up with them
[21:48] <phunyguy> well they should probably identify
[21:48] <phunyguy> :)
[21:48] <rww> well yeah, but the instructions tend to get drowned out by aforementioned trolls ;P
[21:49] <phunyguy> true
[21:49] <phunyguy> well +m us a must for us I am sure.
[21:49] <rww> I figure we'd just use #ubuntu-unregged, which already is, yeah
[21:49] <phunyguy> right
[21:50] <phunyguy> I change my answer.  +rf #ubuntu-unregged seems less troublesome.
[21:50] <phunyguy> +1 for a.)
[21:50] <IdleOne> too late, no backsies
[21:50] <rww> the problem with +rf is users who autoidentify but do it in a broken/naive way that race conditions with joining channels
[21:50] <rww> same problem with +r
[21:51] <rww> +q $~a doesn't have that problem, but has other problems instead
[21:51] <elky> i'd still prefer going soft first
[21:51] <elky> which +q is
[21:51] <rww> (I continue to /really/ wish we had a cmode for "only allow registered users from this banmask")
[21:52] <rww> soft just tells them they can't talk, +r tells them why they can't join
[21:52] <phunyguy> ^ yep
[21:52] <elky> you'd think +j would allow something like that :(
[21:52] <rww> and god knows users don't read chantopics
[21:52] <phunyguy> that is why I say it seems less troublesome
[21:52] <phunyguy> you get dumped into a channel with a ton of instructions all over the chat buffer
[21:52] <elky> i guess
[21:53] <rww> oh, and even if you do have SASL set up like you should, it breaks if freenode services die, and if you're not using one of the like two clients that can hardfail on SASL timeout, you join unidentified :\
[21:54] <phunyguy> is ZNC one of those 2?
[21:54] <elky> llol
[21:54] <rww> weechat and something else, I forget the something else
[21:54] <phunyguy> guess I just never had it happen
[21:54] <rww> yeah, looks like znc has it, option's named RequireAuth
[21:54] <IdleOne> phunyguy: no it isn't
[21:54] <IdleOne> oh it is
[21:55] <phunyguy> module?
[21:55] <rww> sasl
[21:55]  * IdleOne wonders if that is enabled on my znc
[21:55] <rww> that was probably the other client I was thinking of, I remember it being something I didn't like
[21:55] <phunyguy> ahh part of the sasl module
[21:55] <rww> weechat only added it very recently
[21:58] <phunyguy> found it
[21:58] <phunyguy> was already enabled
[21:59] <rww> hopefully it's default. it's the saner behavior imho
[21:59] <rww> especially considering people seem to think cloaks hide IP addresses and such
[21:59] <phunyguy> yeah if you know you want sasl, you also know that you don't want to join without it.
[22:01] <rww> well, some people might consider "join unidentified" less annoying than "don't join at all"
[22:02] <rww> main reason I don't is that I autojoin a bunch of +r or +iI channels, and tend to not notice i'm missing them for days, and not being connected at all is easier. plus services downtime tends to be short
[22:03] <phunyguy> right
[22:03] <phunyguy> I am still at work :(
[22:03] <phunyguy> it's after 6 on a Friday.
[22:04] <rww> SCCM?
[22:05] <phunyguy> yes :(
[22:05] <phunyguy> SCCM itself isn't bad, until someone screws it up
[22:05] <phunyguy> the guy that replaced me after I moved to the server team did a number on it.
[22:06] <phunyguy> basically rebuilding our entire deployment setup from scratch again.
[22:07] <phunyguy> a driver package for one machine that he did was nearly 8 gigs.  How is that even possible?  There were like 7-8 copies of the same drivers that got imported for this one model.
[22:07] <phunyguy> Just drivers!  No software, etc.
[22:29] <elky> why are you doing this then if you got moved off to the server team? :P
[22:29] <IdleOne> because someone needs to fix it
[22:30] <elky> why not the person who broke it
[22:32] <IdleOne> if they knew how not to break it there would not be a need to fix it
[23:00] <phunyguy> ^
[23:00] <phunyguy> IdleOne: you are 100% correct.
[23:01] <phunyguy> Also, they are discussing giving it back to the server team (AKA me).  There had better be a raise involved.
[23:01] <phunyguy> elky: the person that broke it was brought on as a temp.  Per my request, that person's contract was not renewed.
[23:01] <phunyguy> (horribad)
[23:01] <elky> aha
[23:02] <phunyguy> so now here I sit on a Friday night at 7PM now.
[23:02] <phunyguy> I said "now" twice.