[00:00] <SharpBombsMC> I am getting a error when i do phablet-dev-bootstrap it replies "Invalid clone.bundle; Ignoring." HELLLLLP!!!!!!!!!!
[00:01] <kenvandine> SharpBombsMC, what are you trying to do?
[00:01] <kenvandine> use ubuntu-device-flash
[00:01] <ahoneybun> dragonkeeper: I think you should run "ssh-keygen -t rsa" on both devices
[00:01] <ahoneybun> then ssh in like normal
[00:01] <SharpBombsMC> I am trying to Port ubuntu
[00:03] <SharpBombsMC> nvm
[00:18] <dragonkeeper> ima just give up n use otg cuz i got work soon n need sleep
[00:18] <dragonkeeper> cya guys soon
[00:18] <dragonkeeper> o/
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> theoriginalpines: the wiki shows you what tools you need to install
[06:18] <theoriginalpines> lotuspscheje ok checking it out right now
[07:20] <rudolfs> Ubuntu phone keyboard is lacking Latvian languge (and Baltic language group in general) input support. Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview the proper place to report the issue?
[07:28] <rudolfs> Or is this Maliit keyboard issue?
[08:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <knightwise> morning
[08:38] <rudolfs> monin
[08:38] <knightwise> hey rudolfs
[08:39] <rudolfs> knightwise: hey! How is weather in Vilnus?
[08:40] <rudolfs> or more seriously, does Ubuntu touch support Lithuanian character input?
[08:42] <knightwise> rudolfs: vilnius ? ? :) I'm in Belgium
[08:43] <knightwise> don't know. I just ordered my Ubuntu phone yesterday. looking forward to playing around with it
[08:44] <rudolfs> knightwise: oops, too early morning. Can't even read WHOIS data properly.
[08:45] <rudolfs> the one month waiting time for me was bit too painful, but result is worth it
[08:45] <rudolfs> or at least it will be worth it, when translations will be updated
[08:45] <knightwise> Which model did you get rudolfs
[08:45] <rudolfs> knightwise: Aquaris E4.5
[08:46] <knightwise> same one i ordered yesterday
[08:49] <rudolfs> I guess the waiting time will be less than for Eastern Europe
[08:49] <knightwise> I think I should get it in the beginning of europe
[08:50] <knightwise> of april
[08:50] <knightwise> man .. not awake yet
[08:52] <rudolfs> :)
[09:07] <Se7> morning all
[09:07] <CoZo> morning
[09:16] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, hey, good morning! new comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/settings-page/+merge/253975
[09:18] <Se7> ubuntu phone on ebay lool
[09:19] <mcphail> Got my bq phone yesterday (!) but after system update I've lost icons for camera, gallery, tagger and weather. How can I restore them?
[09:19] <Se7> lost from where mcphail ?
[09:20] <mcphail> app scope and sidebar. Just blank icons now
[09:20] <Se7> mmm for the sidebar
[09:20] <Se7> you can pin them when the app it s open
[09:21] <mcphail> Se7: yes - the blank icon is there
[09:21] <Se7> long press on the icon and pin them
[09:21] <mcphail> Se7: yes, but the icon is blank
[09:21] <Se7> strange
[09:22] <mcphail> mmm hmmm
[09:22] <Se7> wait maybe someone can answer better than me
[09:22] <Se7> or remove the wait one
[09:22] <Se7> and try to put new one from app page
[09:23] <mcphail> Se7: it is blank on the app page as well
[09:23] <Se7> reboot then
[09:23] <mcphail> Done that
[09:23] <Se7> and see what up
[09:24] <Se7> very strange for me
[09:25] <Se7> mcphail, wait for some developer to answer
[09:25] <Se7> i can t help more than that sorry :(
[09:25] <mcphail> ok
[09:25] <Se7> my one work great :)
[09:25] <popey> mcphail: that sounds strange.
[09:26] <mcphail> popey: i get this with the emulator too
[09:26] <popey> mcphail: what version does it say in system settings -> about this phone -> OS.
[09:26] <popey> Mine is Ubuntu 14.10 (r20)
[09:26] <CoZo> did you try to reset your phone via system settings ?
[09:27] <mcphail> popey: same as you
[09:27] <popey> hmm
[09:27] <popey> reboot it and see if it does it still
[09:27] <popey> sounds very strange
[09:27] <mcphail> popey: still same after reboot
 did you try to reset your phone via system settings ?
[09:28] <Se7> and update again maybe?
[09:28] <popey> i wouldn't do that
[09:28] <popey> we lose the ability to debug it then
[09:28] <Se7> right
[09:28] <CoZo> sure
[09:28] <popey> thats the windows way "re-install"
[09:28] <ogra_> mcphail, did you make it writable or tinker in any other way with it on the low level ?
[09:28] <Se7> k popey
[09:29] <Se7> sorry for the idea :/
[09:29] <mcphail> ogra_: nothing. Charged it overnight. Switched it on for first time this morning. Set up ubuntu 1 and google accounts. Updated apps. Updated OS
[09:29] <ogra_> very werid
[09:29] <ogra_> *weird even
[09:29] <popey> is the wifi on?
[09:30] <popey> in the app scope, what if you pull down to refresh?
[09:30] <mcphail> popey: yes. wifi is on. Pull down on app scope doesn't refresh the icons
[09:30] <popey> only some icons missing, not all?
[09:30] <ogra_> you mean you dont get new content or does it literally not refresh the scope ?
[09:31] <mcphail> ogra_: the scope rereshes but the icons don't reappear
[09:32] <mcphail> popey: just missing camera, gallery,tagger and weather
[09:32] <mcphail> is tagger a core app?
[09:32] <popey> its delivered in the image, yeah
[09:32] <mcphail> popey: then presumably something has been borked with the update?
[09:33] <popey> well, something is gone awry, yes. Strange that you're seeing it and I'm not
[09:33] <popey> we can re-install the latest update
[09:33] <mcphail> popey: worth a try. How do I do that?
[09:33] <popey> ogra_: there's a system-image-cli option to re-install don't we?
[09:34] <ogra_> popey, not that i know of
[09:34] <popey> oh, i thought you could force a "re-install a full update"
[09:34] <ogra_> i fear you need to use u-d-f
[09:34] <ogra_> oh, that
[09:34]  * popey tries
[09:34] <ogra_> you can force the base version to 0 using -b 0
[09:35] <popey> base being the original release, then you get an OTA, right?
[09:35] <ogra_> bease being 0 then so it will try to install latest from the server as full install
[09:35] <popey> let me try that here first
[09:35]  * mcphail is glad to have popey as a guniea pig
[09:36] <popey> well, ubuntu-download-thing is doing stuff
[09:36] <popey> so it's downloading at least
[09:36] <mcphail> Does this install a vanilla image or bq's branded one with their scopes?
[09:36] <popey> the same one it shipped with
[09:36] <mcphail> ok, good
[09:37] <popey> it keeps the same channel, you shouldn't lose data either
[09:37] <popey> but yeah, let me test first :D
[09:37]  * popey is glad he bought a bq phone and kept it vanilla
[09:37] <popey> i haven't even installed any apps on it
[09:38] <mcphail> popey: data isn't a problem. haven't done anything with it yet
[09:38] <popey> hmmmm
[09:38] <popey> drat
[09:38] <mcphail> ?
[09:38] <popey> I have more than one device connected, and am flashing the wrong one :)
[09:38] <mcphail> doh!
[09:38] <popey> lets try that again :)
[09:39] <mcphail> popey: ogra_: anything you would like me to do with this current image in the meantime which would help with debugging?
[09:40] <popey> do you have a usb cable? can you adb shell into it?
[09:40] <popey> be good to extract the unity8 logs I think
[09:40] <mcphail> i'll enable dev options
[09:40] <mcphail> ok, have adb shell
[09:41] <popey> if you can just "mkdir ~/phablet_logs ; adb pull /home/phablet/.cache/upstart ~/phablet_logs"  we can look at them later
[09:41] <popey> also tail ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log and watch when you pull down to refresh, see if you get any errors
[09:43] <mcphail> popey: nothing added in the refresh
[09:45] <popey> ok. well, mine is now downloading
[09:45] <ogra_> i guess thats some scopes component, not unity8
[09:45] <popey> (and my nexus 7 is reflashing)
[09:45] <popey> oh, the app scope, yes.
[09:45] <mcphail> lots of camera icon erros in the logs
[09:45] <popey> unity8-dash.log ?
[09:45] <mcphail> application-click-com.ubuntu.camera_camera_3.0.0.516.log
[09:46] <popey> that log gets written when the actual camera app is running
[09:46] <mcphail> and unity8-dash
[09:46] <mcphail> 234:Invalid size for   QUrl( "file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.camera/share/icons/camera-app.svg" )  QSize(-1, -1)
[09:46] <popey> anything interesting in unity8-dash.log ?
[09:46] <popey> my device is flashing now
[09:46] <mcphail> du -sh .
[09:46] <mcphail> whoops - wrong terminal!
[09:48] <popey> hmm, my nexus 7 seems unwell now. not sure this was wise
[09:49] <ogra_> wow, kudow to the Mir team ... vivid got a lot better with the very last image
[09:49] <ogra_> *kudos
[09:50] <mcphail> popey: http://themcphails.uk/phablet_logs.tar.gz
[09:50] <popey> ta
[09:52] <popey> my bq phone came back after a long time of downloading and unpacking
[09:52] <popey> mcphail: can you get a screenshot of these missing icons?
[09:52] <mcphail> popey: let me know when you've got the log files and I'll take them down from my server in case they contain anything sensitive
[09:52] <popey> i have got them
[09:52] <mcphail> popey: yep - how do I do that?
[09:52] <popey> hold vol+ and vol-, pic will go in ~/Phablet/Pictures
[09:52] <mcphail> ok
[09:53] <popey> you can adb pull it off the device
[09:58] <mcphail> popey: http://themcphails.uk/pics.tar.gz
[09:58] <davmor2> popey: it's ~/phablet/Pictures/screenshot or something like that isn't it
[09:58] <mcphail> davmor2: don't worry - got it
[09:59] <popey> yeah
[09:59] <popey> mcphail: got them
[09:59] <mcphail> popey: ok
[10:00] <popey> ok, lets take one of them for now, camera.
[10:01] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click list | grep camera
[10:01] <popey> com.ubuntu.camera       3.0.0.516
[10:01] <popey> we're on the same version, right?
[10:01] <mcphail> popey: yes
[10:03] <popey> go to .local/share/applications
[10:03] <mcphail> yep
[10:03] <popey> cat *camera*
[10:04] <popey> should be one big desktop file
[10:04] <popey> Icon=/usr/share/click/preinstalled/.click/users/@all/com.ubuntu.camera/share/icons/camera-app.svg
[10:04] <popey> so ls that file, does it exist?
[10:04] <popey> ls -l /usr/share/click/preinstalled/.click/users/@all/com.ubuntu.camera/share/icons/camera-app.svg
[10:04] <popey> -rw-r--r-- 1 clickpkg clickpkg 903965 Feb 18 18:39 /usr/share/click/preinstalled/.click/users/@all/com.ubuntu.camera/share/icons/camera-app.svg
[10:05] <popey> if you md5sum it, you should get 7e93fe8ae1dd4cf68de9d89ff60d78f5
[10:05] <mcphail> popey: my Icon path is different in the camera desktop file
[10:05] <mcphail> Icon=/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.camera/share/icons/camera-app.svg
[10:05] <popey> huh, interesting
[10:06] <mcphail> md5sum: /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.camera/share/icons/camera-app.svg: No such file or directory
[10:06] <popey> aha!
[10:06] <mcphail> popey: your file exists and has correct md5sum
[10:07] <ogra_> yeah, that path is definitely wrong
[10:07] <popey> but the .desktop file points to the "wrong" one for you
[10:07] <popey> what makes that .desktop file? click?
[10:08] <ogra_> which one are you looking at exactly now ?
[10:08] <ogra_> (sorry, had a reconnect)
[10:08] <mcphail> popey: actually, do you mean I should have a file "camera.desktop"? I only have "com.ubuntu.camera_camera_3.0.0.516.desktop"
[10:10] <ogra_> what exact desktop file are you looking at ?
[10:10] <mcphail> com.ubuntu.camera_camera_3.0.0.516.desktop
[10:10] <ogra_> (note that click packages can have multiple ones)
[10:10] <ogra_> in which path
[10:10] <mcphail> ~/.local/share/applications
[10:11] <mcphail> $ ls | grep camera
[10:11] <mcphail> com.ubuntu.camera_camera_3.0.0.516.desktop
[10:11] <popey> com.ubuntu.camera_camera_3.0.0.516.desktop is the only one I have
[10:11] <popey> 66e4ee3daf690a95e19eb47f6fd995b3 is the md5sum
[10:12] <popey> yours wont match that as you have a different icon path
[10:12] <ogra_> well, that file is created by upstart-app-launch i think
[10:12] <mcphail> popey: yep
[10:12] <popey> we need to track this in a bug somewhere.
[10:12] <ogra_> err
[10:12] <ogra_> ubuntu-app-launch i shopuld say nowadays :)
[10:13] <ogra_> it should be re-created if you remove it and reboot
[10:13] <popey> logs for that are in ~/.cache/ubuntu-app-launch
[10:13] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.cache/ubuntu-app-launch/desktop$ ls -l *cam*
[10:13] <popey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 phablet phablet 84 Mar 25 12:07 com.ubuntu.camera_camera_3.0.0.516.desktop -> /usr/share/click/preinstalled/.click/users/@all/com.ubuntu.camera/camera-app.desktop
[10:13] <popey> what do you have in there mcphail
[10:13] <popey> (no logs actually, just symlinks)
[10:14] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, more comments and suggestions on your branch
[10:14] <mcphail> lrwxrwxrwx 1 phablet phablet 84 Jan 30 15:28 com.ubuntu.camera_camera_3.0.0.516.desktop -> /usr/share/click/preinstalled/.click/users/@all/com.ubuntu.camera/camera-app.desktop
[10:15] <mcphail> Jan 30?
[10:15] <popey> march 25 here
[10:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Theatre Day! :-D
[10:16] <mcphail> Is this because I updated the camera app before doing the system update?
[10:16] <ogra_> yeah, that doesnt look like it was properly upgraded
[10:16] <brunch875> Good mornning James!
[10:16]  * mcphail can't remember if camera was one of the ones needing update
[10:16] <popey> interesting
[10:16] <popey> obviously this shouldn't happen.
[10:16] <mcphail> natch
[10:17] <popey> not sure where a bug should be filed tbh
[10:17] <mcphail> Should I try a "reset launcher"?
[10:18] <ogra_> sergiusens, do you remember what sets these .desktop file links for preinstalled clicks ? is that click itself via a hook, or ubuntu-app-launch later ?
[10:24] <popey> mcphail: i would be inclined to get a bug filed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-app-launch/+bugs and we can poke someone with it.
[10:25] <mcphail> popey: ok - will do that later today. Is it safe to upload those logs to the bug report?
[10:26] <mcphail> popey: ag -i imei doen't show anything...
[10:26] <popey> should be, but you can mark your bug private if you want
[10:26] <mcphail> popey: think it is OK as I've searched through them for personal info
[10:26] <popey> ok
[10:27] <mcphail> popey: has your reset procedure worked?
[10:27] <popey> yes
[10:28] <popey> so adb shell in, then "sudo system-image-cli -b 0"
[10:28] <popey> not sure this will help you though
[10:28] <mcphail> popey: worth a try, if you already have all the info you need
[10:29] <popey> the other thing you can do
[10:29] <popey> is remove and install each app in turn
[10:29] <popey> long press on icon, uninstall, then find it in the store and re-install it
[10:29] <mcphail> popey: can I remove system apps?
[10:29] <popey> you should be able to remove anything
[10:29] <popey> command line works too
[10:30] <popey> sudo click unregister com.ubuntu.camera 3.0.0.516
[10:30] <mcphail> popey: camera icon is back!
[10:30] <popey> after doing what?
[10:31] <mcphail> popey: uninstall/reinstall
[10:31] <popey> "nice" :)
[10:31] <mcphail> for a rather broad definition of "nice" ;)
[10:31] <popey> hence the quotes
[10:31] <mcphail> yep
[10:32] <mcphail> I'll file that bug after I've done my chores
[10:33] <popey> thanks mcphail
[10:33] <popey> do mention the order you did your updates. i think that's relavent
[10:33] <mcphail> popey: ogra_: thanks for your help again
[10:33] <popey> no problem!
[10:33] <mcphail> popey: will do
[10:34]  * Se7 love this help in real time
[10:34]  * brunch875 has already finished his popcorn
[10:34] <ogra_> popey, mcphail if re-install fixes it it is probably rather a click hook that failed here
[10:35] <popey> true
[10:36] <mcphail> Need to go, but I'll catch anything else you need in my awaylog
[10:36] <tnozyrox_> hello, there is video-calling on ubuntu-phone?
[10:36] <ogra_> not yet, no
[10:36] <tnozyrox_> why ?
[10:38] <Se7> tnozyrox_, it s growing :)
[10:39] <Se7> don t rush everythink will be ready a some point :P
[10:39] <popey> tnozyrox_: nobody wrote one yet.
[10:39] <Se7> they doing an amazing job here
[10:39] <tnozyrox_> no webapp ... with sim-card ???
[10:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Is there any plans to put Sirius or what ever theoriginalpines  free opensource voice recognition software into Ubuntu touch?
[10:46] <ogra_> once we re-enable the hud, it might use that
[10:47] <ogra_> (if we re-enable the hud)
[10:47] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, thanks, on it :-)
[10:47] <ogra_> (no idea what the plans are(
[10:47] <ogra_> )
[10:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl> the HUD was one of the big selling point of ubuntu touch in my po, I think it'd be a massive shame not to re-enable it at somepoint
[10:48] <AlanBell> HUD was always a solution waiting for voice recognition to be added to it
[10:48] <popey> yeah.
[10:48] <AlanBell> I tried on the desktop with Sphinx a bit
[10:48]  * popey goes afk for the rest of the day.
[10:48] <popey> ttfn
[10:49] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[10:50] <ChloeWolfieGirl> HUD makes apps like GIMP SOOOOOO much easier
[10:50] <ogra_> well, the issue with the hub is that it is a global tool ... after we disabled it on the phone the concept completely changed to individual scopes
[10:51] <ogra_> so i'm not sure how well it will go with the new design, it might need a lot of changed  to work in the new world
[10:51] <ogra_> *changes
[10:52] <ogra_> i assume the global-menu stuff still works ... but we dont have apps using global menus on the phone
[10:52] <ogra_> (i think)
[10:53] <AlanBell> I haven't used the HUD on the desktop for ages, I got annoyed with the keybinding clashes and never really noticed when that got fixed
[10:55] <jgdx> huh, I've used the hud five times the last two minutes
[10:56] <jgdx> nothing makes me sadder than having to move the mouse pointer
[10:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I don't use it a ton, but when I do, I greatly appreciate the fact I do, I mean I go to a different desktop environment/GUI its easily one of the biggest things I miss!
[10:57] <davidcalle> The HUD makes everything so fast in apps like Gimp, it's really powerful.
[10:58] <jgdx> not to mention vanilla eclipse
[10:58] <AlanBell> because alt and super grabbed focus out of virtualbox I turned off the bindings and stopped using it, now I don't use virtualbox so much I need to start using it again!
[10:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl> jgdx how about looking through several lists trying to find the a option then realising it was in one that had another list in the list, and searching around in all of those, then forgettif what you w…
[10:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl> …as doing xD
[10:59] <jgdx> ChloeWolfieGirl, I tried that, but then I got carpal tunnel and had to stop. :S
[11:00] <jgdx> yeah, eclipse is not a master of consistency
[11:00] <ogra_> just get a splint and move on ... :P
[11:00] <jgdx> :p
[11:01]  * ogra_ just recovered from a month with CTS ... so annoying 
[11:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I expect that some apps would benefit greatly from the HUD, especially in a convergent world :P
[11:02] <ogra_> definitely
[11:02] <ogra_> i'm just sayin it might take a while since it will need changes for the new concept in unity8
[11:04] <ChloeWolfieGirl> *goes on Mac at uni and opens gimp* I don't need the HUD, *tries to find the correct crop* I NEEEEEEEEED IT!
[11:05] <davidcalle> sergiusens, ping
[11:08] <AlanBell> "you have an approximate of 2 additional unread messages" <- what writes that gramatical monstrosity?
[11:09] <ogra_> AlanBell, where do you see it ?
[11:09] <AlanBell> ogra_: notifications, from gmail
[11:09] <AlanBell> is it google's fault or ours?
[11:10] <ogra_> so in the notification indicator ?
[11:11] <ogra_> yeah, i guess thats the app side setting this text
[11:11] <AlanBell> yeah, in the indicator
[11:11] <ogra_> yeah, thets likely google ... dbarth ^^^ ?
[11:16] <AlanBell> "approximate" does not exist in lp:unity-webapps-gmail
[11:18] <AlanBell> ooh, it is a popey fix that is unmerged
[11:18] <AlanBell> popey is teh awesome
[11:18] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/account-polld/fix-1365206/+merge/233294
[11:19] <AlanBell> bug 1365206
[11:23] <AlanBell> is that merge waiting on sergiusens? not sure if I am reading it right I don't know much about translations
[11:24] <ogra_> i doubt sergiusens works on account-polld
[11:25] <AlanBell> just trying to interpret what the comments on the merge proposal mean
[11:28] <dbarth> same here
[11:29] <ogra_> ah
[11:33] <Chipaca> AlanBell: hello
[11:33] <Chipaca> dbarth: and hello
[11:33] <Chipaca> AlanBell: dbarth: i got around to that bug too late, and we're in translatable text freeze afaik, otherwise i would've landed it
[11:33] <Chipaca> it's a bit more involved, as sergio pointed out, but i've got it in a shelve here
[11:34] <ogra_> is accound-polld used on the desktop ?
[11:35] <Chipaca> ogra_: no
[11:35] <Chipaca> ogra_: unless you put it there yourself ;)
[11:35] <Chipaca> ogra_: it depends on push, which depends on url-dispatcher and click and such
[11:36] <Chipaca> ogra_: very much a phone-ish environ
[11:36] <Chipaca> but you can probably get it running if you persevere (in the “are perverse enough” sense)
[11:36] <Chipaca> perversere?
[11:36] <dbarth> so the freeze is probably not in effect in that case
[11:36] <Chipaca> oh!
[11:36] <ogra_> Chipaca, then it isnt under strin freeze
[11:37] <ogra_> *string
[11:37]  * Chipaca unshelves
[11:42] <Chipaca> AlanBell: dbarth: popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/account-polld/fix-1365206/+merge/254383
[11:42] <Chipaca> sergiusens: if you could once-over that ^ i'll merge it
[11:42] <Chipaca> then we need some brave man to take it to the train
[11:42] <Chipaca> or woman! person. i usually say person.
[12:01] <brunch875> Chipaca we all know there are no women on the internet
[12:07] <Chipaca> man, why did brunch875 run away before i told it where it could stick it
[12:19] <Mirv> renatu: do you have any estimation when you (and others) could start piling up the qtpim upgrade branches? even if it would land after vivid is released, the API changes could be brewing already somewhere and collected to the CI Train spreadsheet
[12:21] <Se7> f**k just charged 100% after completely discharge and less than an hour 7% less
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: AlanBell I used to, I think Chipaca is on it now
[12:24] <sergiusens> Chipaca: I'll take a look
[12:26] <Chipaca> sergiusens: thanks
[12:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, seems like
[12:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> I went into windowed mode and somehow pushed the scopes out of the screen so I can't access it in windows mode ;-;
[12:30] <ChloeWolfieGirl2> when using android, I miss simple things like the ability to just pull the keyboard down to make it go away
[12:41] <renatu> Mirv, I can start doing that when I find some time, but for sure I need that before implement contact merging. Unfortunately no dates yet
[12:42] <renatu> Mirv, btw could you get this MR on vivid? :D https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/109444/
[12:42] <Mirv> renatu: yeah, I was just thinking if some month like May could be the month, before Qt 5.5 so that they don't collide
[12:44] <Mirv> renatu: sure, if you're ready to do the upstream testing for it (test plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/qtpim), I can add a line for it, patch & build it and ping you when there's action to be done like executing the test plan.
[12:45] <Mirv> renatu: please file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpim-opensource-src so that it can be referred to from the changelog
[12:48] <renatu> Mirv, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpim-opensource-src/+bug/1437300
[12:56] <Mirv> renatu: thanks!
[13:10] <Se7> xubuntu desktop doesn t recognise ubuntu phone
[13:10] <Se7> developer mode enabled
[13:10] <Se7> lsusb
[13:10] <Se7> Bus 002 Device 020: ID 2a47:0c02
[13:12] <Chipaca> Se7: how would you want it to recognise it?
[13:12] <Se7> i mean no icon appear on the desktop
[13:14] <muka> what is the newest image as of today. I have 20141119, and I'm on devel channel.
[13:15] <nik90> muka: that's indeed the latest devel image...we haven't had a new image in the devel channel for a long time
[13:15] <nik90> muka: you should try the devel-proposed channel for more recent images
[13:15] <nik90> muka: hopefully in the coming weeks we might seem a promotion to the devel channel
[13:16] <muka> nik90, thank you
[13:16] <Chipaca> Se7: does it appear for other phones?
[13:18] <Se7> yes Chipaca
[13:18] <Se7> if i connect my s4 appear an icon on my desktop
[13:18] <Chipaca> Se7: and what happens when you click the icon?
[13:18] <Se7> lol
[13:19] <Chipaca> Se7: i'm serious, i don't know
[13:19] <Se7> empty open window
[13:19] <rbasak> So I have a new bq phone, have never touched an Ubuntu phone before, and am finding things that I'd like to see tracked in bugs. But I need some help getting reports to the right place. First: I see no bug for "no timer or stopwatch" filed against the clock app. Am I missing something?
[13:20] <nik90> rbasak: there is a no timer bug filed against the clock app already :) .. let me find the bug report
[13:20] <SkidzRulez> Hi all
[13:20] <nik90> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1427566
[13:20] <Chipaca> Se7: can you elaborate a bit? as i don't use xubuntu, i don't know what it's poking at on your s4 that it's not being able to poke at on your bq
[13:21] <Chipaca> Se7: "empty window" is not helping, here
[13:21] <rbasak> nik90: thanks! I couldn't find it.
[13:21] <nik90> rbasak: Can you report a bug for the missing stopwatch feature. I can confirm and triage it.
[13:21] <nik90> rbasak: those functionality are all planned. Just waiting on a design for them
[13:22] <Se7> Chipaca, if i connect the s4 and on the phone i choose the options camera(ptp)
[13:22] <Se7> i can looking all the pics and video on the phone
[13:22] <Chipaca> Se7: i don't think we do ptp, but i might be wrong
[13:22] <Chipaca> we do the other one
[13:23] <rbasak> nik90: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1437313 - thanks!
[13:23]  * Chipaca can never remember the names of those two
[13:23] <SkidzRulez> My phone does not connect to the store anymore, and so I cannot check for updates.... All works (Internet etc) and my Ubuntu One account works, but from the store it says "Network error" for the last few days. Did a restore from the OS and from the boot menu but no go. Ideas?
[13:23] <nik90> rbasak: thnx :)
[13:23] <Se7> if i connect my ubuntu qb via usb nothing appear on my deskpot
[13:23] <rbasak> I have a third one for the clock app. I can just file the bug. It seems too easy to accidentally turn off the alarm when I want to snooze. The snooze button should be large, and the "turn off alarm" button should be harder to activate in some way (eg. slide?)
[13:23] <SkidzRulez> I have adb shell and i'm not afraid to use it :P
[13:24] <Se7> desktop*
[13:24] <Chipaca> beuno: SkidzRulez' thing might be one for you ^
[13:24] <nik90> rbasak: hmm interesting..bug pls..I will take it straight to the designer asap
[13:25] <Chipaca> Se7: if you tell your s4 to use mtp instead of ptp does it work on your desktop?
[13:26] <Se7> yes Chipaca
[13:26] <rbasak> nik90: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1437316 - thanks!
[13:26] <Se7> from s4 mtp://[usb:002,025]/Phone/DCIM/Camera/
[13:27] <Chipaca> Se7: that one should work. not an expert on this, but, two things might be interfering: first, have you tried unlocking the phone?
[13:27] <Se7> lol yes
[13:27] <Chipaca> Se7: with it plugged in on usb?
[13:27] <Se7> yep
[13:28]  * SkidzRulez fetches a coffee
[13:28] <Chipaca> Se7: and the other thing i can think of is that maybe we disable mtp in developer mode, but i don't know for sure if that's the case
[13:29] <Se7> so i have to disable developer mode and try to plug in again?
[13:29] <Chipaca> Se7: i don't know. maybe.
[13:29] <Chipaca> Se7: and unlock the screen
[13:30] <Chipaca> it won't work if locked afaik
[13:30] <Se7> of course
[13:30] <Chipaca> Se7: with it in developer mode though you could get your stuff via scp :)
[13:30] <Chipaca> or adb pull
[13:30] <Se7> i cant disable developer mode without unlock the screen :P
[13:31] <Chipaca> Se7: most android devices let you get data off them via usb without unlocking the screen though, which is why i've underlined that you can't do that with the ubuntu phone as far as i know
[13:31] <Se7> right Chipaca :)
[13:33] <Se7> i unplugged from usb unlocked the screen disable developer mode plug again in the usb but nothig appear on desktop :)
[13:33] <SkidzRulez> Can't figure out where the Unbuntu One reg process places logfiles, if any. Is there a rule of thumb, except the obvious /var/log?
[13:40] <Wnt> How can I take a screenshot on a bq Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition?
[13:40] <k1l_> Wnt: press volume up and down at same time
[13:40] <Wnt> and how can I enable ssh server on the same device?
[13:40] <Wnt> Thanks k1l_!
[13:44] <dobey> rbasak, nik90: ugh slide for turning off or snoozing the alarm would not be nice at all :/
[13:46] <nik90> dobey: just exploring ideas :) .. currently it is too easy to turn of an alarm despite wanting to snooze it. The slide was one such suggestion to prevent that. Let's see what design comes up with..since it also needs to be supported by the notification dialog either way
[13:47] <Wnt> how do I become root in the device terminal?
[13:48] <dobey> nik90: funny. i think it's difficult to turn off the alarm now, because the button is not particularly large
[13:48] <SkidzRulez> sudo su -
[13:48] <SkidzRulez> then the pin used for unlock
[13:48] <dobey> why do you want to be root?
[13:48] <ogra_> yeah
[13:48] <ogra_> no need to be root ...
[13:48] <SkidzRulez> mount -o remount,rw / ?
[13:48] <ogra_> just prefix commands you want executed with admin provs with sudp
[13:48] <dobey> sudo mount -o remounte,rw /
[13:48] <ogra_> like you do on any ubuntu desktop
[13:49] <ogra_> *privs
[13:49] <Wnt> dobey: I might want to install some packages with apt-get or similar tools
[13:49] <Wnt> and start sshd
[13:49] <nik90> dobey: well without my glasses in the morning, I can hardly distinguish between the 2 buttons "Snooze" and "Dismiss"..and such always end up turning it off for good ;P
[13:49] <dobey> Wnt: apt-get is not supported on the phone
[13:49] <SkidzRulez> tbh, if you don't know how to become root, well...
[13:49] <ogra_> Wnt, note that you lose upgrade functionality of you install stuff with apt
[13:49] <SkidzRulez> But apt-get *does* work :)
[13:49] <k1l_> SkidzRulez: sudo su is not best way on ubuntu anyway
[13:49] <ogra_> s/of/if/
[13:49] <dobey> nik90: are you colorblind? (grey vs green could be a problem for some people)
[13:50] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, yes, it does ... to install a single package when you develop on the core system and throw it away afterwards
[13:50] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, point is that apt-get upgrade doesnt work and the system image upgrade will just revert your apt changes
[13:50] <k1l_> nik90: i always blame the alarmclock for that, too :)
[13:50] <dobey> i'd hardly say apt works on the phone
[13:50] <dobey> but apt-get is a very good way to fill up / very fast
[13:51] <ogra_> well, it does for certain tasks ... but all of them end with "you reinstall the device from scratch"
[13:51] <dobey> if you really need to install extra packages for some reason, make a chroot in ~ and do stuff inside that chroot
[13:51] <ogra_> unless you actuall work on the core system :)
[13:51] <nik90> dobey: hmm no..although I think I just ignore all that and just press the button on the right in my sleep state
[13:51] <ogra_> *actually
[13:52] <SkidzRulez> Meh, I have the idea that only a fresh image flash will clear *all* you can break on the phone somehow.
[13:52] <dobey> nik90: vol dn for snooze should be supported, if it isn't already
[13:53] <nik90> dobey: we have a bug similar to that..https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1421559 for silencing the alarm.
[13:53] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, right, we dont block people from shooting themselves in the foot ... ubuntu on teh phone is 100% hackable :)
[13:54] <ogra_> but if you do hack it, you got to keep the pieces yourself :)
[13:54] <SkidzRulez> ...As i found out already ;)
[13:54] <ogra_> ... in case it falls apart
[13:54] <nik90> dobey: so yeah we need to explore the use of physical buttons to perform certain alarm actions
[13:56] <SkidzRulez> Anyway, I just went back to square 1 again (Boot into menu, cache erase, data erase) so let's see if Ubuntu One works now
[13:57] <dobey> eh? ubuntu one has always worked
[13:57] <SkidzRulez> On my BQ it didn't
[13:57] <dobey> what didn't work?
[13:58] <Wnt> I installed ubuntu-sdk on my 14.04 desktop and enabled the phone's developer mode, but when I plug in the phone with USB and run "adb devices" returns an empty list. What else do I need to do to get adb access to the device?
[13:58] <nik90> Wnt: is your phone screen also unlocked?
[13:58] <SkidzRulez> System settings > Accounts > Ubuntu One > Fillin my credentials > "Network error - please retry"
[13:58] <dobey> Wnt: add ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa and upgrade, some of the definitions on 14.04 are not updated
[13:58] <Wnt> nik90: yes, screen lock is not active
[13:59] <Wnt> Yes, I added that repo and apt-get updated before installing ubuntu-sdk
[13:59] <brunch875> does 2G work for anyone?
[13:59] <dobey> SkidzRulez: well network errors are network errors. could be anything between you and the server that could have failed
[14:00] <dobey> Wnt: phone must have developer mode enabled too
[14:00] <Wnt> but it seems that dist-upgrade gives some updates
[14:00] <SkidzRulez> True. But one.ubuntu.com in the browser *does* work, including logging in
[14:00] <Wnt> yes, as I said: ..."and enabled the phone's developer mode..."
[14:01] <Wnt> ok, the dist upgrade did the trick, thanks for the help
[14:02] <Wnt> maybe these docs: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/ should mention about running dist-upgrade on 14.04 too, not just 14.10
[14:03] <SkidzRulez> dobey: Is there a way to debug these errors? Can't find it in the usual logs...
[14:05] <dobey> SkidzRulez: should show up in ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log i'd think
[14:06] <rbasak> dobey: I don't care what is slide or not - I just want it to be much easier to hit snooze than it is to turn it off.
[14:06] <dobey> SkidzRulez: if not, you can "echo U1_DEBUG=1 >> /etc/environment" and reboot, and should get a lot more debug info at that point
[14:08] <SkidzRulez> tailf reveals no new entries in that log after a failed attempt, i'll set the debug and reboot
[14:09] <rbasak> So my next issues might be bq-specific. Where do I check or file these please? First, the terms and conditions for HERE are unreadable on first run because they go off the right of the screen and you can't scroll there.
[14:10] <AlanBell> is there a thing for sharing screenshots, like a share to an imagebin or something?
[14:10] <rbasak> Second, scrolling sometimes jumps - eg. I'm reading a browser window scrolling slowly and suddenly it decides I'm scrolling at a million mph right down the bottom, so I lose my place.
[14:10] <rbasak> Some glitch with touchpad reading maybe that either needs fixing directly or smoothing.
[14:11] <dobey> AlanBell: there's a webapp for that photo sharing thing that aquarius wrote
[14:12] <dobey> rbasak: that scrolling behavior i often get in firefox too, particularly when scrolling down g+ or twitter, and it jumps way down when new posts load
[14:12] <brunch875> wow, the dekko update rocks my socks
[14:13] <AlanBell> dobey: that sounds good, any idea what it is called?
[14:14] <SkidzRulez> Hmmm, so far for debugging options:
[14:14] <SkidzRulez> 2015-03-27 14:12:42,307 - DEBUG - UbuntuWindow::handleSurfaceFocusChange(focused=false)
[14:14] <brunch875> where's the dekko developer? I want to congratulate him personally
[14:14] <brunch875> it's so bloody amazing
[14:14] <SkidzRulez> Finally notifications?
[14:15] <brunch875> no idea
[14:15] <brunch875> but the client feels more polished than gmail on android
[14:15] <dobey> AlanBell: soonsnap
[14:16] <mcphail> popey: ogra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-app-launch/+bug/1437355 - bugreport for missing icons as discussed earlier
[14:17] <AlanBell> dobey: awesome, thanks
[14:18] <ogra_> mcphail, thanks a lot
[14:19] <DanChapman> hey brunch875, yes it has had quite an overhaul for this update :-D there's still currently no notification support but that's out of our control at the moment
[14:19] <brunch875> are you responsible for this?
[14:19] <brunch875> kudos man
[14:19]  * DanChapman is one of the dekko developers btw
[14:19] <ogra_> brunch875, yeah, its all his fault :P
[14:19]  * brunch875 starts clapping
[14:20]  * SkidzRulez follows suit
[14:20] <SkidzRulez> Great work on Dekko man!
[14:20] <mcphail> DanChapman: ha - I'm actually just installing it just now :)
[14:20] <SkidzRulez> Wish I could install it ;)
[14:21] <ogra_> DanChapman, if you dont get any other reports about missing/white font on grey bg, i'm inclined to blame the graphics driver of the device i see this on ...
[14:21] <_hc> ohai Se7
[14:21] <_hc> found it
[14:21] <Se7> good _hc
[14:21] <_hc> Se7: and there is a log http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/26/%23ubuntu-touch.html
[14:22] <Se7> good
[14:22] <_hc> Se7:  I don't see anything about tor though
[14:23] <DanChapman> ogra, ive seen another comment on g+ for vivid but i run vivid and don't see it. Did you try changing the theme preferences in the config file from my comment yesterday?
[14:23] <Se7> was just a question if someone will write it
[14:23]  * DanChapman scans backlog for it
[14:23] <Se7> or are interested to do so _hc
[14:24] <ogra_> DanChapman, i only did a uninstall/reinstall
[14:24] <ogra_> DanChapman, i used the ambient theme with the former version on this device though
[14:25] <DanChapman> oh not the dark one then?
[14:25] <DrGnomage> Hey guys, is there a good way to do IRC or am i stuck with kiwiIRC?
[14:25] <SkidzRulez> BitchX ;)
[14:25] <ogra_> DanChapman, i used the dark one ... isnt that ambience ?
[14:25] <ogra_> i thought the bright one is radiance
[14:26] <ogra_> DrGnomage, write an IRC client :)
[14:26] <DanChapman> ogra_: No that SuruDark, Ambiance is the light one on the phone that used to confuse me too
[14:26] <ogra_> ah, then i used suru dark, sorry
[14:26] <DrGnomage> ogra_: dont have the skills yet unfortunately!
[14:27] <ogra_> DrGnomage, well, then you are stuck with kiwi until someone writes one i fear
[14:27] <mcphail> DanChapman: how do I delete multiple mails at once with dekko? If i drag them to the right, I still have to click on the trash icon one at a time...
[14:28] <ogra_> you could install irssi in your home dir and use it via the terminal app ... not sure that is more convenient than kiwi ... (and it wont solve the issue that the client disconnects when in bg)
[14:28] <DrGnomage> ogra_: alrighty was just seeing if anyone know of one that wouldnt appear in a generic search for IRC on the store
[14:28] <DanChapman> ogra_: could you try changing .SuruDark to .Ambiance in the preferences.theme= field of the config file. I think this be the issue as that value is still getting pulled in some where
[14:28] <DanChapman> mcphail: longpress a message to enter multiselect
[14:28] <DrGnomage> ogra_: Thanks anyway!
[14:29] <mcphail> DanChapman: got it. Cheers!
[14:29] <DanChapman> np
[14:29] <ogra_> DanChapman, that fixed it !
[14:29]  * ogra_ hugs DanChapman 
[14:29] <ogra_> thanks !!
[14:30] <DanChapman> ogra_: excellent! i'll get a bug filed for that then
[14:31] <SkidzRulez> A sign-in attempt results in two external IP's being contacted. login.ubuntu.com is one, but the status is TIME_WAIT instead of ESTABLISHED
[14:34] <kenvandine> awe_, looking at bug 1361864
[14:34] <kenvandine> awe_, is that going to be in someone's backlog soon?
[14:34] <kenvandine> bfiller, ^^ that's the bug about the preferred context i was talking about this morning
[14:39] <kenvandine> awe_, should we add a network-manager task to that?
[14:46] <mcphail> Does the default kernel have inotify enabled?
[14:50]  * mcphail has plans to subvert the security model
[14:50] <ogra_> yes, it does
[14:51] <mcphail> ogra_: incrontab isn't installed. Are there any plans to install this as part of te base image?
[14:51]  * ogra_ never heard of "incrontab"
[14:52] <mcphail> ogra_: it is "crontab" for inotify.
[14:52] <ogra_> i doubt we will seed it ... unless anything in the core system would need it
[14:52] <ogra_> time to create ~/bin ;)
[14:53] <mcphail> ogra_: You can trigger a script when a file is written to a directory. It owuld allow store apps to trigger system processes by "touching" a file in a directory they could write to
[14:53] <ogra_> right, we use upstart for such stuff
[14:53] <mcphail> ogra_: is upstart staying?
[14:53] <ogra_> you shuld be able to create your own upstart jobs in your homedir
[14:53] <mcphail> ogra_: inotify triggered?
[14:53] <ogra_> for the session itr will surely stay for a while, yeah
[14:54] <ogra_> look at the upstart cookbook ;)
[14:54] <mcphail> OK
[14:54] <mcphail> ogra_: trying to find a way to let my rndis switcher app trigger the switch withour having extra privs
[14:55] <ogra_> well, talk to jdstrand, he can surely tell you whats possible ... i assume you tried dbus and it doesnt work due to apparmor ?
[14:56] <mcphail> ogra_: think so. Might just be my code is buggy but doesn't seem to work. Lots of DENIED in logs
[14:56] <awe_> kenvandine, ack
[14:56] <awe_> sorry, had too many threads going on
[14:56] <ogra_> well, might be that your app simply cant talk to dbus at all then :/
[14:56] <awe_> abeato and I discussed this, and it's something we agree needs to be fixed
[14:57] <awe_> we have a bunch of other issues stacked up in front of it...
[14:57] <mcphail> ogra_: yes, but all it has to be able to do is touch a file in a directory which it has write permissions. Inotify can do the rest
[14:57] <ogra_> well, thats most likely in ~/.local/<appname>/ then
[14:58] <kenvandine> awe_, ok, i think it'll be pretty critical to getting the apn editor working right
[14:58] <ogra_> but you wont be able to ship your watcher in the click package, since it needs to run outside with bigger permissions
[14:58] <awe_> kenvandine, please add a nuntium task too
[14:58] <awe_> kenvandine, agreed
[14:58] <mcphail> ogra_: yes - the watcher would have to be installed separately
[14:58] <awe_> abeato, can you take the lead on the "tag" enhancement?
[14:58] <kenvandine> awe_, done
[14:58] <awe_> kenvandine, thanks
[14:59] <kenvandine> awe_, btw... i like your suggestion in the bug better
[14:59] <kenvandine> just adding a preferred property seems to be the right thing to do
[14:59] <abeato> awe_, more than a tag it should be just a flag I guess?
[14:59] <awe_> ack
[14:59] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks, oh my. Have no idea how that noop snuck in. Thanks for spotting it.
[15:01] <jgdx> kenvandine, pushed fix, r1360
[15:01] <kenvandine> thx
[15:01] <kenvandine> bfiller, the bugs for these couple of branches aren't in the milestone
[15:02] <bfiller> kenvandine: I'll add
[15:02] <kenvandine> bfiller, bug 1388046
[15:02] <kenvandine> bug 1433278
[15:02] <kenvandine> bfiller, ^^
[15:04] <jgdx> thanks ken
[15:05] <dobey> SkidzRulez: oh, actually. i just remembered, getting the logs for that is a bit more difficult, because it's a separate process
[15:06] <SkidzRulez> dobey: /usr/bin/online-accounts-ui --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/online-accounts-ui.desktop --socket /run/user/32011/online-accounts-ui/ui-3 is what happens when it runs
[15:07] <dobey> SkidzRulez: yeah, you need to do something like "U1_DEBUG=1 OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 online-accounts-service" and then try to log in, while that is running
[15:07] <dobey> and you should see the output on the console there
[15:14] <SkidzRulez> dobey: This is the only error after clicking "Sign in": "2015-03-27 15:13:34,589 - CRITICAL - Error occurred creating token: 0 (Invalid status attribute in Network::OnReply)"
[15:16] <SkidzRulez> Just added my Ubuntu One-account to my emu, running over the same wifi as the phone.
[15:18] <mcphail> Thanks to everyone working and contributing to Touch. The bq phone is fab. Cheers all
[15:20] <SkidzRulez> bug 1233951
[15:21] <dobey> SkidzRulez: hmm, ok. that's weird. thanks
[15:22] <SkidzRulez> It's not *exactly* similar so could still be a one-off
[15:23] <SkidzRulez> This might be *too* coincidental ;)
[15:24] <SkidzRulez>  namespace UbuntuOne {
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 550
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 551@@ -51,30 +53,35 @@
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 552     /* TODO: see if we really need to do this check, we could just operate
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 553        on a bad value as being an error rather than the extra check? */
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 554     if (!statusAttr.isValid()) {
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 555-        qDebug() << "Invalid status received!";
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 556+        QString errmsg = QString("Invalid status attribute in Network::OnReply");
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 557+        // Use login failed code, which results in generic error message:
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 558+        emit ErrorOccurred(ErrorResponse(0, NO_HTTP_REASON, LOGIN_FAILED, errmsg));
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 559         return;
[15:24] <SkidzRulez> 560     }
[15:25] <SkidzRulez> Oops, wrong cut
[15:25] <SkidzRulez> I meant this: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-credentials/update-13-10/+merge/182490
[15:38] <SkidzRulez> So, I just realised i'm in a deadlock here. I can't update because I have no account signed in to update the errors I have ;)
[15:44] <ogra_> DanChapman, oh, btw, the german translation needs some serious love, was that originally produced by google translate ?
[15:44] <mardy> jdstrand, tedg: FYI, I thought more about the need for reading the .desktop file and came up with bug 1437393; comments welcome, maybe there are other solutions I'm not aware of
[15:44] <SkidzRulez> That sounds like a well-crafted insult ;)
[15:45] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, do you mean me ?
[15:46] <SkidzRulez> ogra, yes sorry I didn't mention you there
[15:46] <ogra_> heh, well, it wasnt meant as an insult :)
[15:47] <ogra_> it definitely looks like g translate did it
[15:47]  * ogra_ will definitely help fixing it 
[15:47] <SkidzRulez> The Dutch version is not much better on some points, but hey, that can be dealt with later right
[15:48] <DanChapman> ogra_: yeah i'm aware they are in bad shape :-/ Someone contributed some translations a while back which got uploaded in the source branch seems they were bad quialty. Won't make that mistake again. Niklas Wenzel has been helping to get them fixed up, but any extra help would be greatly appreciated. :-)
[15:48] <tedg> mardy, Commented. Added a better idea :-)
[15:49] <ogra_> DanChapman, i'll take a look on the weekend
[15:49] <DanChapman> ogra_: thanks :-)
[15:50] <SkidzRulez> Also weird behaviour: In a freshly restored phone, I have two mentions of Telegram in Settings > Notifications. One without an icon, btw.
[15:50] <mardy> tedg: that would work too, not sure it's a better idea though, as it's again duplicate work for the developer (though definitely bearable :-) )
[15:50] <mardy> tedg: btw, what's the deal with desktop files? what will replace them?
[15:51] <rbasak> SkidzRulez: I've seen that too
[15:51] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, yeah, there is a bug open for that somewhere ... scopes shouldnt show up in that window
[15:51] <tedg> mardy, Helpers that need a desktop file should use their own click hook to get it
[15:51] <ogra_> (snce they have no icon)
[15:51] <tedg> mardy, It's not that the desktop files would go away, it's that the copy in ~/.local/share/applications would
[15:52] <mardy> tedg: what's the benefit? I see only drawbacks :-)
[15:53] <tedg> mardy, Full home directory, no cache files in ~/.local, helpers can (and should) generate specific caches that are faster
[15:53] <SkidzRulez> Any ideas how to tackle the "Invalid status attribute in Network::OnReply"? I'm running dry on ideas...
[15:54] <mardy> tedg: what do you mean by "Full home directory"?
[15:54] <tedg> mardy, If you install an app and your home directory is full, we can't write the file and then ogra_ chases me down :-)
[15:54] <ogra_> :D
[15:55] <mardy> tedg: but whatever replaces these files will also write to $HOME, somewhere
[15:55] <Scooty-loo> new sprout kernel source :o
[15:55] <SkidzRulez> Trying to add an Evernote account also fails, different error
[15:55] <tedg> mardy, Perhaps, but for many it's just a symbolic link which is less problematic.
[15:56] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, any proxy in your network ?
[15:56] <SkidzRulez> Nope
[15:56] <tedg> mardy, Or sometimes in-memory cache, depending on helper.
[15:56] <ogra_> probably something swallows info on the way
[15:56] <SkidzRulez> Device > router> modem>internet
[15:56] <ogra_> and your provider doesnt have a "transparent" proxy either ?
[15:57] <k1l_> ogra_: if there is a need for translation help maybe a talk to the translations team and/or a call on ubuntuusers.de could help
[15:57] <tedg> mardy, On a modern file system each of those desktop files is a block, so 4K :-/
[15:57] <SkidzRulez> ogra: Nope. Turning off the wifi and sailing on the GSM modem gets the same results
[15:57] <ogra_> :/
[15:57] <rbasak> So my next issues might be bq-specific. Where do I check or file these please? First, the terms and conditions for HERE are unreadable on first run because they go off the right of the screen and you can't scroll there.
[15:57] <rbasak> Second, scrolling sometimes jumps - eg. I'm reading a browser window scrolling slowly and suddenly it decides I'm scrolling at a million mph right down the bottom, so I lose my place.
[15:57] <ogra_> k1l_, well, i'm find contributing a few strings too :)
[15:57] <rbasak> Some glitch with touchpad reading maybe that either needs fixing directly or smoothing.
[15:58] <ogra_> it is not like dekko has many
[15:58] <balloons> pstolowski, hey, thanks for looking at the missing scopes api docs. We pull from the libunity-scopes-doc package, which seems to be missing some of the headers
[15:58] <ogra_> *fine even
[15:58] <mardy> tedg: well, it's not that I'm especially fond of how or where they are stored, I'm just worried that if we don't have a centralized source for this info, it's going to be a mess
[15:59] <mardy> tedg: like, the shell needs to read them, Online Accounts too, the Webapps too, several applets in the System Settings too...
[15:59] <pstolowski> balloons, ah, that's probably because the mocks have no documentation
[15:59] <mardy> tedg: a symlink takes also 4k, or am I wrong?
[15:59] <tedg> mardy, No the symlink is an item in the directory table. Assuming it doesn't grow.
[16:00] <tedg> mardy, They don't *need* them, they use them because they're there.
[16:00] <SkidzRulez> All services that use a web page to allow acces work fine, all that must go through the online-accounts-service crash horribly.
[16:00] <tedg> We've left in a crutch and so now everyone is limping.
[16:01] <balloons> pstolowski, is that something you can change perhaps? Maybe even some basic doc stubs?
[16:03] <Mardad> Hi
[16:03] <pstolowski> balloons, nb i think there is some confusion... in the link to "the old doc" (where these headers were listed) doesn't contain any doc for them either, the doxygen docs just link to the raw .h files. so no regression afaict
[16:03] <pstolowski> balloons, sure, we can try, i don't know how doxygen likes gmock macros
[16:04] <mardy> tedg: I think all these components need just *something* that takes an APP_ID and returns a translated name and an icon; but if there isn't anything which provides this info, and they all have to implement their hooks, you risk ending up having much more space wasted
[16:04] <balloons> pstolowski, right that makes sense. The old style was just a link to the raw source, so indeed nothing has changed. Expect now we import the actual docs, which as you say don't exist
[16:04] <balloons> pstolowski, that would be great if you could. Is there a project I can add to the bug to better track it?
[16:06] <tedg> mardy, So if I wrote a code snippet that turned an appid into a GKeyFile would you stop using ~/.local/share/applications ?
[16:06] <pstolowski> balloons, just unity-scopes-api
[16:06] <tedg> Or probably a path is better.
[16:07] <g105b> Is there an official email app coming to the OS soon? The gmail web app is poor when in low cell coverage areas.
[16:08] <tedg> g105b, Try Dekko, it's beta but really nice.
[16:08] <g105b> tedg: I tried it, but it crashes if I try to open a folder.
[16:08] <mardy> tedg: mostly yes, if GDesktopAppInfo (or whatever it's called) could read this file
[16:08] <SkidzRulez> Anyway, thanks sofar. I'll go feed some ppl before they start rioting here ;)
[16:08] <g105b> tedg: also it doesn't get new emails without opening, changing mailboxes, swiping down a few times.
[16:10] <tedg> g105b, Hmm, for me it doesn't do those things. But clearly that's why it's labeled "Beta" :-)
[16:22] <studio_> hi
[16:22] <studio_> thanks for fixing address book app :)
[16:38] <mcphail> If I make the filesystem writable to edit /etc/hosts, will this block future system updates?
[16:43] <lentzi90> Is there anything special I need to do to make ubuntu SDK detect my phone?
[16:44] <ogra_> mcphail, no, but the update will likely replace the file again
[16:44] <ogra_> (if you do a regular update)
[16:47] <ogra_> lentzi90, try #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:48] <lentzi90> Ok, thanks!
[16:50]  * SkidzRulez thinks he's done it, this time
[16:50] <SkidzRulez> My BQ phone is stuck at the white loader screen. Already did a flash wipe/cache wipe, no go. Ideas?
[16:53] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, give it some time ...
[16:54] <SkidzRulez> It's lying there for 10 minutes now
[16:58] <cotton> Hi everyone :)
[16:58] <studio_> in the calendar, monthly and yearly dates are not working. ist that a known problem?
[16:58] <popey> studio_: define "not working"
[16:59] <studio_> can set monthly/yearly
[16:59] <studio_> can't i mean
[17:00] <popey> Indeed, you cannot.
[17:01] <cotton> When is the next big update going to be release? I am looking forward for new features :D  Thanks
[17:01] <ogra_> cotton, for now its all bug fixes for the next updates
[17:02]  * ogra_ forgot when exactly the next is due, but shouldnt be long anymore
[17:02] <popey> next week
[17:03] <SkidzRulez> Will there be images to flash externally? Or will all updates be OTA-like?
[17:03] <ogra_> there are images to flash already :)
[17:03] <SkidzRulez> Yes, just not in the public domain :P
[17:04] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash knows how to handle them
[17:04] <SkidzRulez> Orly?
[17:05] <SkidzRulez> why didn't i think of that, dammit...
[17:05] <ogra_> ;)
[17:07] <SkidzRulez> well, off to reboot into Ubuntu then. Thx sofar!
[17:08] <SkidzRulez> (If this fixes the one problem i'll be laughing, too :P )
[17:11] <studio_> btw. thank you for "mc" in ubuntu-touch :)
[17:23] <otto_> hi
[17:23] <otto_> hot to see ppl online on fb app?
[17:23] <otto_> how*
[17:27] <otto_> on ubuntu phone obviouvsly
[17:27]  * ogra_ has no fb account ..
[17:28] <otto_> good for you ogra_
[17:28] <studio_> what is fb?
[17:28] <ogra_> heh, yeah, but not for you ... i could probably tell you :)
[17:28] <studio_> *lol*
[17:28] <ogra_> studio_, facebook obviously :)
[17:29] <cheeseboy> there any instructions for setting up hotspot?
[17:29] <otto_> yes
[17:29] <ogra_> if you mean wireless AP mode, thats not there yet
[17:30] <cheeseboy> i read you could do it with cmd prompt
[17:30] <ogra_> usb tethering is possible though
[17:30] <otto_> it was not for yoy cheeseboy
[17:30] <cheeseboy> how do i tether?
[17:30] <ogra_> android-gadget-service enable rndis
[17:31] <ogra_> (and disable to disable it indeed :) )
[17:31] <ogra_> in the terminal app or via adb
[17:32] <AlanBell> looks like the x and z accelerometers are not callibrated right (or I am not on the planet I think I am on)
[17:32] <ogra_> the latter
[17:32] <studio_> ogra_, the problem with the videos (copy to own videos) and gallery is still not fixed?
[17:32] <ogra_> but we knew that before :)
[17:32] <AlanBell> :)
[17:33] <ogra_> studio_, ask the filemanager people ... (not sure who that is, ask in #ubuntu-app-devel) ... did you file it yet ?
[17:33] <cheeseboy> ogra_, is that setting persistent?
[17:34] <ogra_> cheeseboy, hmm, not across reboots, since we force mtp on at boot time currently
[17:34] <ogra_> and rndis and mtp are mutually exclusive
[17:34] <cheeseboy> ok
[17:34] <ogra_> AlanBell, there is the "SensorStatus" app in the store
[17:35] <AlanBell> ogra_: yeah, I am using that
[17:35] <studio_> ogra_, i am not sure where the problem is, filemanager, mediaplayer or gallery?
[17:35] <AlanBell> ogra_: it should read 9.81 m/s^2 at rest when oriented on one of the axis (flat/upright/on the side)
[17:35] <ogra_> stfilemanager-app
[17:35] <ogra_> studio_, ^^
[17:35] <studio_> ok
[17:36] <AlanBell> but I am seeing 10.2, which means I am on a planet slightly smaller than Uranus, but bigger than earth
[17:36] <AlanBell> or with a different density I suppose
[17:36] <ogra_> AlanBell, ricmm is our senso specialist ... but not around atm
[17:36] <studio_> and when will be the mediaplayer fixed to play direct videos?
[17:37] <ogra_> i dont think we do any explicit calibration though
[17:38] <AlanBell> probably not, and it is likely that most things reading that don't need calibrated sensors
[17:38] <ogra_> studio_, they play direct from the video scope
[17:38] <studio_> ogra_, when i call the mediaplayer i allwys get an error, there are no videos to play, so that is normal?
[17:38] <ogra_> yes
[17:38] <studio_> ?
[17:39] <ogra_> the mediaplayer is not supposed to be used directly ... but some weird concept denies that we hide the icon
[17:39] <ogra_> so this message was implemented instead :/
[17:39] <ogra_> to play video directly, use the video scope
[17:40] <ogra_> or the My Video scope if you dont want to see stuff thats not local
[17:41] <studio_> oh, ok ...
[17:41]  * ogra_ really wishes we had a way to hide icons 
[17:42] <studio_> to "cache" all videos isn't the right way i think ...
[17:43] <dobey> ogra_: we do. it's called, don't make them apps, because they aren't :)
[17:43] <ogra_> dobey, so mediaplayer and payui arent apps ?
[17:44] <ogra_> how do you deliver them as clicks if you cant deliver clicks without .desktop file and icon
[17:44] <dobey> ogra_: payui isn't. mediaplayer is currently because there isn't a thing which makes it a trusted session thing instead of an app
[17:45] <ogra_> right
[17:45] <dobey> ogra_: payui is a trusted session with a special hook in the click. manual review is always required for the uploads, becasue we only want our thing to use that hook
[17:45] <ogra_> well, eventually all apps will have to be clicks
[17:48] <studio_> ogra_, will "privat" videos or for exp. videos from adult-apps also be "cached" (shown with a thumbnail) in the galerie?
[17:48] <ogra_> yes
[17:48] <studio_> not good ...
[17:48] <dobey> if you don't want porn on your phone, then don't watch porn on your phone?
[17:49] <dobey> AlanBell: are you standing on top of a uranium deposit? :)
[17:49] <ogra_> dobey, so pragmatic
[17:49] <dobey> it's what i do :P
[17:50] <studio_> dobey, think a little bit more before you write
[17:50] <dobey> studio_: don't be rude
[17:51] <dobey> and no, if you watch videos on a random site that has html5 video player support, they won't appear in the gallery
[17:51] <dobey> only videos you watch in apps that play videos through the mediaplayer service i guess would be cached and appear in gallery
[17:54] <studio_> dobey, i am not "rude" (had to look what rude means in german), i am sensible with datas, especially when the phone is shared in the family ...
[17:56] <dobey> studio_: saying "think a little bit more before you write" is a bit rude.
[17:56] <studio_> sorry, my english is not so perfect :(
[18:04] <SkidzRulez> pfffff, the bq phone seems to get the best of me ;)
[18:04] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, still issues ?
[18:06] <SkidzRulez> Boot in fastboot > ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --wipe > I see stuff going across the screen > phone goes into recovery > ubuntu-device-flash terminates with "Failed to enter Recovery"
[18:07] <SkidzRulez> But I can see the phone is in recovery mode... The purple-ish screen with the white logo...
[18:07] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, recovery doesnt have adb ...
[18:08] <SkidzRulez> I found an article describing you should use an intermediate image, but the --recovery-image is not in my version of ubuntu-device-flash (14.10)
[18:08] <ogra_> oh, you should definitely use ubuntu-device-flash from a PPA
[18:09] <SkidzRulez> So not the default one from the distro?
[18:09] <ogra_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5
[18:10] <ogra_> right
[18:10] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools
[18:11] <ogra_> that also has the latest phablet-tools (phablet-shell, phablet-network, phablet-screenshot etc etc )
[18:11] <studio_> "Failed to enter Recovery" is normal !!!
[18:11] <studio_> wait!
[18:12] <studio_> it takes a minute
[18:12] <ogra_> yes, with the factory recovery thats normal
[18:12] <ogra_> else you would be able to adb pull all data from a stolen device
[18:12] <SkidzRulez> It's pushing the tarballs now ;)
[18:13] <ogra_> even if developer mode is disabled
[18:13] <SkidzRulez> True
[18:13] <SkidzRulez> Good thing you guys thought of that! I'm impressed ;)
[18:13] <SkidzRulez> *phone reboots*
[18:13] <SkidzRulez> Victory!
[18:13] <ogra_> you should see the spinning logo
[18:13] <SkidzRulez> (Spinning logo)
[18:14] <ogra_> :)
[18:14]  * SkidzRulez jumps up and down
[18:14] <studio_> :)
[18:14] <SkidzRulez> Guys, really. This is soooooooo impressive compared to ios or ubuntu stuff...
[18:14] <ogra_> or ubuntu ?
[18:15]  * ogra_ raises an eyebrow
[18:15] <nik90> lol :P
[18:15] <SkidzRulez> Android I meant, excitement typo :P
[18:15] <ogra_> seems w emade it ... !
[18:15] <ogra_> *we made
[18:15] <ogra_> we replaced android in just a few weeks !
[18:15] <SkidzRulez> hehehehe, you too I see :P
[18:15] <ogra_> (in user brains at least)
[18:16] <SkidzRulez> From a tinkerer standpoint (I fit nicely in that category) this is a really cool device, and it will most likely only be replaced with a superphone (Desktop replacement)
[18:17] <SkidzRulez> But to impress the wife will be a bit more difficult ;)
[18:17] <ogra_> we're working on it ;)
[18:18] <EdwardMorbius> Is it just me not figuring something out or you cant send a file via bluetooth?
[18:18] <ogra_> heh, no, it is the yet non existent obex support
[18:18] <ogra_> i think i saw a fix floating by for that today
[18:19] <EdwardMorbius> hoping for that fix in 15.04 :)
[18:19] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/ubuntu-touch-session/fixing_fork_export_multimedia_dirs/+merge/254342
[18:19] <ogra_> there it is
[18:20] <ogra_> pmcgowan, did you get around to test that obex stuf from rsalveti ?
[18:20] <ogra_> (code looks fine, i'd top approve it)
[18:20] <studio_> you can't sent to /tmp?
[18:20] <EdwardMorbius> common multimedia dirs hmm will that enable opening music files via file manager in music, currently music says waiting for file, file not found.
[18:21] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, on your PC you mean ?
[18:21] <pmcgowan> ogra_, yes I just put the new upstart file in place and worked great
[18:21] <studio_> EdwardMorbius, what happend when you send a file via bt?
[18:21] <EdwardMorbius> no, on the phone
[18:21] <EdwardMorbius> studio I cant even try sending the file from phone, no sharing via bluetooth option, when I send a file from desktop to phone I get transfer failed
[18:22] <studio_> ah, from the phone, not to the phone ...
[18:22] <EdwardMorbius> to the phone fails also though it is paired correctly with my desktop
[18:23] <studio_> wait, i'll try to the phone ...
[18:23] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, hmm, i can open the Music folder just fine on my phone
[18:23] <ogra_> using the filemanager
[18:23] <EdwardMorbius> and it plays correctly in Music?
[18:23] <ogra_> lists all subdirs and files in there
[18:24] <ogra_> i never play music from the filemanager
[18:24] <ogra_> it plays fine in the music app
[18:24] <EdwardMorbius> If I open mp3 from file manager it offers Music to play it with, I do that and then Music reports waiting for file, file not found.
[18:24] <EdwardMorbius> like it cant recognize files opened from external application
[18:25] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, yes, just plying a file here
[18:25] <ogra_> works fine
[18:25] <ogra_> if you have a lot music in there the app might take a while for the mediscanner to index them
[18:26] <EdwardMorbius> not for me, I always get the same error message for some reason and I tried opening different mp3 files. files are indexed :(
[18:27] <ogra_> why do you use the filemanager in the first place if i may ask
[18:27] <EdwardMorbius> I did report a problem with mediascanner locking db with mp3 files missing a value, it is confirmed now in launchpad.
[18:28] <EdwardMorbius> because I want to have folder playing by proxy as music does not support it, I find it easier and more convenient.
[18:28] <ogra_> well, after all you end up in music app in any case so why not use it directly
[18:29] <EdwardMorbius> plenty of old music in my collection, lots of it aint properly tagged which makes for mess in Music, retagging it is a weeeee bit cumbersome.
[18:30] <EdwardMorbius> which is why I always used folder players on android, they skip all that hassle.
[18:30] <ogra_> yeah, a bit tricky in our security concept
[18:33] <studio_> weird, i can't pair via bt my phone to my desktop? two days ago it was working ...
[18:33] <EdwardMorbius> likely I will have to retag the offending albums, something I am not looking forward to :D
[18:33] <ogra_> even if you could, you cant transfer files currently
[18:34] <EdwardMorbius> I can pair mine but like ogra said, useless.
[18:34] <EdwardMorbius> as you cant move any files
[18:34] <ogra_> well,i just approved the fix above
[18:34] <rsalveti> you can send files from your desktop
[18:34] <rsalveti> not from the phone, yet
[18:34] <studio_> two days ago i was able to push files to /tmp to my phone!
[18:35] <rsalveti> studio_: that should still work
[18:35] <rsalveti> studio_: we just changed now to be able to send files to the multimedia folders instead
[18:35] <EdwardMorbius> I couldnt, Ubuntu on desktop said "transfer failed" or something like that. I tried the standard send to device transfer
[18:35] <rsalveti> like Music, Documents, Downloads, etc
[18:35] <rsalveti> EdwardMorbius: try browsing files from your desktop
[18:35] <rsalveti> connect to the bt device, go to bt settings (desktop) and then browse files
[18:36] <EdwardMorbius> I tried, doesnt work either or to be more accurate it shows some weird folders and files
[18:36] <rsalveti> EdwardMorbius: right, that's /tmp/ on your phone
[18:36] <EdwardMorbius> not documents, music, pictures etc.
[18:36] <studio_> rsalveti, any idea why i can't pair anymore?
[18:36] <rsalveti> EdwardMorbius: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/ubuntu-touch-session/fixing_fork_export_multimedia_dirs/+merge/254342 changes to be something else
[18:37] <EdwardMorbius> so I can transfer in tmp, thats something at least until fix comes in updates
[18:37] <rsalveti> studio_: even after removing the connection and trying to pair again?
[18:38] <EdwardMorbius> I am presuming the bug with keyboard appearing when it should is also known? like when you scroll in browser and it appears
[18:38] <EdwardMorbius> shouldnt*
[18:39] <simosx> Does the bq play .mp3 files? It appears as if it is playing them, but nothing can be heard from the speakers (or handsfree).
[18:39] <rsalveti> probably, just don't know the bug number from the top of my head
[18:39] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1400372
[18:39] <rsalveti> simosx: yes
[18:39] <EdwardMorbius> bq plays mp3 for me with no problems via headphones and speaker
[18:39] <rsalveti> simosx: you might be having bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1398560
[18:39] <simosx>  rsalveti, cannot figure out how to debug this problem. /var/log/syslog does not show something relevant.
[18:39] <EdwardMorbius> I also posted a minor bug with keyboard layout
[18:40] <rsalveti> if you can still hear alarms and ringtones
[18:40] <pmcgowan> the other issue was due to the mute during a game
[18:40] <rsalveti> right, there is that one as well
[18:40] <EdwardMorbius> but got no replies, maybe I posted in the wrong place.
[18:40] <rsalveti> EdwardMorbius: have the bug number?
[18:40] <EdwardMorbius> one moment
[18:41] <EdwardMorbius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1436045
[18:41] <EdwardMorbius> its a minor error in domain suggestion
[18:42] <ogra_> simosx, did you ever play pathwind on your device ?
[18:42] <rsalveti> simosx: if you can try
[18:42] <ogra_> simosx, there is a bug where the app mutes the whole phone
[18:42] <rsalveti> rm -rf /home/phablet/.config/pulse, then reboot
[18:42] <simosx> ogra_, I did play Pathwind (highscore: 520)
[18:42] <ogra_> to revert that, start the game again, toggle mute and it should be fine again
[18:43] <simosx> rsalveti, I removed that directory and the phone is booting up again.
[18:43] <ogra_> yeah, thats the sledgehammer method :)
[18:44] <simosx> ogra_, rsalveti: it's OK now, sound plays well.
[18:44] <studio_> rsalveti, i removed devices and reconnected, made a new pairing. now i can see in ubuntu-desktop the keys (upper right) but no device?
[18:44] <rsalveti> great, hope to have a fix for that during the next OTA
[18:47] <rsalveti> studio_: not sure I understand the issue, you can't find the device in the bt indicator/settings?
[18:47] <EdwardMorbius> rsalveti you need any additional information about the bug I posted?
[18:48] <rsalveti> EdwardMorbius: nops, it's clear, bfiller will probably take that in a few (bug 1436045)
[18:48] <EdwardMorbius> ok great
[18:49] <otto_> hi again  the ubuntu phone doesn t got the alarm?
[18:49] <studio_> rsalveti, one minute ago, yes, but now i can't find the e4.5, but ubuntu desktop still means it is connected, but no device is shown. but i can see the keys ...
[18:50] <EdwardMorbius> otto you mean clock alarm? it has it, open clock and swipe from bottom.
[18:50] <rsalveti> otto_: you can use alarms from the clock app
[18:50] <rsalveti> studio_: you usually can only scan the e4.5 device if you have the bt settings page opened in system-settings (touch)
[18:51] <rsalveti> but it seems you were able to pair and such
[18:51] <rsalveti> guess trying to disable bt and enabling it again to see if it helps (both desktop and touch)
[18:51] <dragonkeeper> o/ hey guys
[18:52] <SkidzRulez> @all, it works again...
[18:52] <studio_> rsalveti, i'll reboot the ut device ...
[18:52] <ogra_> SkidzRulez, congrats !
[18:52] <SkidzRulez> thx ;)
[18:52] <rsalveti> studio_: I know the destktop app also got some issues
[18:52] <studio_> 2 days ago i had no probs
[18:53] <otto_> rsalveti i cant see any alarm on the clock for that i asking
[18:53] <DonkeyHotei> rsalveti: is it known why battery life on hammerhead is much worse than on android? here is the wakelock list http://paste.ubuntu.com/10631710/
[18:54] <rsalveti> otto_: open clock app, then swipe from bottom->top (see the 'No active alarms' label), that will take you to the alarms page
[18:54] <dobey> DonkeyHotei: no idea, but if you can fix it, beers!
[18:55] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, hey there
[18:55] <otto_>    cheers rsalveti found it
[18:55] <DonkeyHotei> dobey: nice, but i don't drink
[18:55] <rsalveti> DonkeyHotei: hard to know if it's indeed because of the wakelock list or not
[18:55] <rsalveti> would have to profile to see
[18:55] <dobey> DonkeyHotei: root beers if you wish then :)
[18:55]  * ogra_ is sure dobey will also brew hot chocolate for DonkeyHotei if required 
[18:56] <DonkeyHotei> rsalveti: profile?
[18:56] <rsalveti> yeah, understand why the device is not suspending, and so on
[18:56] <rsalveti> usually you can get that from syslog
[18:57]  * dragonkeeper is wanting updates 
[18:57] <bfiller> EdwardMorbius: thanks for filing that bug, we'll fix it
[18:59] <otto_> and rsalveti you know as well how  to see people online on facebook app?
[18:59] <SkidzRulez> You boys have a shared paypal for beer donations?
[18:59] <EdwardMorbius> bfiller thanks
[18:59] <pmcgowan> SkidzRulez, genius
[18:59] <abeato> rsalveti, the problem with flight mode seems to be ofono
[18:59] <rsalveti> abeato: oh, really?
[18:59] <abeato> rsalveti, there was a bug that was supposed to be solved by 1.12.bzr6890+15.04.20150317-0ubuntu1
[19:00] <rsalveti> otto_: in the webapp, you can go to chat, I think that will tell who is online or not
[19:00] <rsalveti> need to check
[19:00] <abeato> rsalveti, but, latest image still has 1.12.bzr6888+15.04.20150224-0ubuntu1
[19:00]  * rsalveti checks
[19:00] <studio_> rsalveti, i think you was right. it seems to be a problem with my desktop an bt.
[19:00] <abeato> (it was a problem introduced by the changes for arale, rtm is safe)
[19:00] <rsalveti> abeato: oh, it got migrated today only
[19:00] <rsalveti> abeato: so next image should have the new version
[19:01] <dobey> SkidzRulez: well, there's the "donate to support ubuntu" thing when downloading the .iso of ubuntu on the web site, but not quite the same as passing out beers to random devs :)
[19:01] <abeato> rsalveti, ok, it should solve this thing
[19:01] <dragonkeeper> is there a good tut floating about for creating ubuntu apps with the sdk?
[19:01] <rsalveti> abeato: great, we can trigger a new image, let me check
[19:01] <abeato> cool
[19:02] <DonkeyHotei> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10690791/
[19:02] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, sure on the developer site
[19:03] <studio_> bbl
[19:03] <otto_> tnx agai rsalveti found it ;)
[19:03] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, how was your first day with the phone
[19:04] <pmcgowan> did location ever work for you?
[19:05] <rsalveti> DonkeyHotei: most suspend worked fine, so would be surprised if the consumption was really that worse
[19:05] <studio_> back
[19:05] <EdwardMorbius> I got large overnight battery consumption too on BQ but my device still needs a few cycles of full discharge/charge before its calibrated I presume because I read that drain on BQ is fixed
[19:06] <dobey> rsalveti: battery consumption on hammerhead is really quite bad :/
[19:06] <rsalveti> hm, something else might be helping on that then
[19:07] <dobey> could be something with some of the devices that aren't supported in ubuntu
[19:07] <dobey> like bt/gps
[19:07] <rsalveti> right
[19:07] <dobey> but my phone today has already lost 32%, and i've not made any calls or even used it since removing it off the charger, and wifi is disabled
[19:08] <tvoss> dobey, do you have twitter or facebook accounts configured?
[19:08] <dobey> so i can only guess that maybe gps/bt
[19:08] <dobey> twitter yes
[19:08] <studio_> rsalveti, i think my phone got alzheimer ... no wifi and no bt is working after a reboot :(
[19:08] <tvoss> rsalveti, ^
[19:09] <tvoss> dobey, thx
[19:09] <rsalveti> studio_: can you enable that via the indicator?
[19:10] <dobey> tvoss: so account-polld might be part of the problem?
[19:10] <studio_> bt an wifi is enabled on the phone
[19:10] <SkidzRulez> But on a more serious note: I had screwed my config causing online-accounts-ui to keep on crashing, even through restores
[19:10] <rsalveti> dobey: it's currently the piece that drains most of the battery when in idle
[19:10] <studio_> but not working
[19:10] <dragonkeeper> pmcgowan, great ! except no gps. but seen bug has gone to high priority
[19:11] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, hey there :) do you get no position at all?
[19:11] <pmcgowan> dragonkeeper, we are trying to reproduce it even now, but not much luck
[19:11] <rsalveti> studio_: can you see access points with the indicator or is it not even showing that?
[19:11] <dobey> rsalveti: well, i'll delete that account and see if it's any better without it :)
[19:11] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, or just no high accuracy fix?
[19:11] <tvoss> "just"
[19:11] <rsalveti> dobey: just as a test, run 'stop ubuntu-push-client'
[19:11] <studio_> no, i can't see any accesspoint
[19:12] <rsalveti> studio_: try $ sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[19:12] <rsalveti> then we can check network manager
[19:12] <bfiller> EdwardMorbius: I don't know if you like to hack your phone but until we land the fix you can modify this file: /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/lib/hr/Keyboard_hr_url.qml
[19:12] <bfiller> that is where the extended keys are defined
[19:12] <dragonkeeper> tvoss i get position if i use wifi to get position 1st  then use gps but radius estimate is so far its not worth trying .... if i dont use wifi 1st then i get no gps lock , which is useless outside
[19:12] <dobey> rsalveti: but that's for actual push notifications right, not the account-polld bits which go through the local postoffice stuff?
[19:13] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, do you actively disable wifi?
[19:13] <rsalveti> dobey: push is the one responsible for setting up the hardware alarms and waking up the phone at every 5 minutes
[19:13] <dobey> oh
[19:13] <EdwardMorbius> bfiller thanks for the information but I think I will leave it until its officialy fixed, its no big deal I can wait.
[19:14] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, the gps lock can easily take like ~20 minutes if you don't have wifi enabled
[19:14] <bfiller> EdwardMorbius: no problem
[19:14] <EdwardMorbius> concerning hacking the phone, how much one can hack around it without compromising ota updates?
[19:14] <dragonkeeper> tvoss doesnt make a difference if its on and not connected or if its just off
[19:14] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, but you get a position at least with wifi on?
[19:14] <dragonkeeper> yes if wifi is connected to a network
[19:15] <studio_> rsalveti, where to post the result, i a privat window?
[19:15] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, if wifi is off, do you have mobile non-roaming data available?
[19:16] <dragonkeeper> yup mobile network works fine ,    /var/log/ubuntu-location-service/com.ubuntu.location.ERROR  shows permission issues .
[19:16] <bfiller> EdwardMorbius: guess it depends on your comfort level and how much you want to change. Making edits to qml files is usually pretty safe
[19:16] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, mind pastebin'ing that file?
[19:16] <dragonkeeper> tvoss eh sure, give me a moment
[19:16] <rsalveti> studio_: use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:17] <rsalveti> then paste me the link
[19:17] <EdwardMorbius> bfiller I see, in case someone screws up too much is it at all possible to revert to clean factory image that is ota capable?
[19:17] <bfiller> EdwardMorbius: yes I believe you can reboot into recovery mode to restore the factory image, rsalveti this is true right?
[19:18] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, grabbing a quick bite, just ping me the link
[19:18] <rsalveti> EdwardMorbius: bfiller: yup, you can can flash later on without erasing your personal data
[19:18] <rsalveti> that will make the image compatible with ota again
[19:19] <studio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10690874/
[19:19] <EdwardMorbius> thanks thats what I wanted to know
[19:20] <EdwardMorbius> one more question, the nearby scope, from where does it pickup data on restaurants etc?
[19:20] <studio_> rsalveti, normally i have a lot of ap here in the near ...
[19:21] <rsalveti> studio_: right, that shows that the hardware couldn't see more than that one
[19:22] <rsalveti> try enabling flight mode and disabling right after
[19:22] <rsalveti> $ nmcli d wifi list
[19:22] <rsalveti> that shows what network manager is capable to see
[19:22] <rsalveti> the indicator just basically displays what network manager can see
[19:22] <rsalveti> iwlist wlan0 scan is a direct query to the driver
[19:22] <dragonkeeper> tvoss,  yup will do. just need reset my connection
[19:23] <studio_> enable flight mode do not disable bt/wifif/gsm in the status bar!
[19:24] <studio_> disable flight mode is the same
[19:25] <studio_> btw i am on 15.04
[19:25] <rsalveti> oh, might be the fix that just landed then
[19:25] <dragonkeeper> tvoss, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10690912/
[19:26] <rsalveti> next image (which is currently building) has this fix for the flight mode issue
[19:27] <studio_> so i can still work on 15.04 or switch back to 14.10?
[19:27] <rsalveti> yup, RTM 14.09 is way more stable atm, but we're working hard to stabilize 15.04
[19:28] <studio_> i know that you are working on 15.04 and i love it :)
[19:29] <EdwardMorbius> has 15.04 any visual differences from 14.09? or they look the same
[19:31] <studio_> visual differents, like desktop-manager would be a nice step :)
[19:32] <EdwardMorbius> I liked the "old" look of Touch better, when the colors were more Ubuntu like, maybe in the future we get theming support so we can change such things :)
[19:32] <yashy7x> hi
[19:33] <AlanBell> dobey: no, however, that might explain the chicken pictures https://plus.google.com/+AlanBell/posts/2ke92qaDfp2
[19:33] <studio_> EdwardMorbius, i also use gnome and xfce on ubuntu desktop, so i have a choice ...
[19:34] <EdwardMorbius> I use Unity, its configurable enough for my taste, unity tweak tool and gtk3 themes can alter it just enough though I like Ambience
[19:34] <EdwardMorbius> old Ambience-like look of Touch felt better, not that the current white design is bad but the old one just felt more Ubuntu to me.
[19:35] <studio_> EdwardMorbius, but on ut u do not have the choice ...
[19:35] <yashy7x> Yeah, the new touch interface is way too 'white'.
[19:35] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, ah, those entries are from yesterday, though
[19:35] <EdwardMorbius> studio_ yes we dont but I read something about theming support someday, maybe I got it wrong.
[19:35] <rsalveti> it will happen, for sure
[19:36] <EdwardMorbius> and that white background looks very dazzling if you increase the brightness a lot
[19:36] <dobey> i hope not. i would rather just have a better default
[19:36] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, thanks for the log
[19:36] <EdwardMorbius> dobey I would like old theme back as default but that is unlikely to happen
[19:37] <dragonkeeper> tvoss i can try it again see if i get any errors pop up
[19:37] <studio_> rsalveti, i beleve that, for sure. to change from windows to ubuntu was, because i was able to choose my desktop and tools.
[19:37] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, yeah, that would be super helpful
[19:38] <dobey> eh, you don't really get to choose your environment and tools on ubuntu (or any other linux) any more than you do on windows. but w/e
[19:39] <studio_> dobey, to make a 3D desktop, how to make that on windows?
[19:39] <dragonkeeper> windows running awesomewm
[19:39] <dragonkeeper> lolz
[19:40] <dobey> what do you mean by 3d desktop exactly?
[19:40] <studio_> a burning mouse pointer, that rockz
[19:40] <tvoss> dragonkeeper, see pm
[19:40] <dobey> you don't need 3d for that, and windows has supported animated cursors for a very long time now
[19:41] <dobey> the packard bell running windows 3.1 i had in 1994 had a "3d desktop" even
[19:41] <studio_> dobey, go to youtube for exp. and search for 3d desktop
[19:42] <studio_> this is yust 3d and "not" stereoscopic!
[19:42] <studio_> steroscopic is more cool :)
[19:42] <dobey> who said anything about stereoscopic?
[19:43] <EdwardMorbius> linux always had more eye candy than windows, the things you can do in KDE for example with all those themes and effects.
[19:43] <dobey> and why would you want to stare at a million colored dots for a half hour, to figure out which icon is which?
[19:46] <studio_> dobey, for "real", for what are all the sensors in the for exp. bq E4.5 needed? 3D (stereoscopic) display would be nice.
[19:46] <dobey> not really, but like i said… w/e. the crazy effects and nonsense gets pretty boring quick. like neon underglow lighting on cars
[19:47] <dobey> so it can determine if you're falling down the side of a cliff, then it can record a video and post it on youtube while you lay unconscious waiting for the EMTs?
[19:47] <dobey> that's how the robot revolution will begin :P
[19:48] <studio_> what means ETM?
[19:48] <studio_> EMT?
[19:49] <dobey> emergency medical tech
[19:49] <dobey> the people in the ambulances
[19:50] <studio_> and what does it have to do to a display manager (2D/3D)?
[19:51] <ferri> hi
[19:51] <dobey> you asked what all the sensors were for
[19:51] <ferri> I have bq aquaris ubuntu edition and is little bit buggy by now
[19:52] <ferri> i'm looking for some documentation about using some nigthly builds channel to update it
[19:52] <dobey> it was a silly answer to a silly question. sensors are for sensing things, obviously. they can be used for all kinds of things
[19:52] <studio_> dobey, yes, and not all sensors are supported in ut right now, or?
[19:52] <ferri> anybody knows how to change the update channel?
[19:53] <EdwardMorbius> ferri it will get sorted out in future updates, I believe 15.04 will arrive soon enough.
[19:53] <zubozrout> Hi. I am here to ask you for steps to run legacy apps in Unity8 on a tablet. Could someone plese point me to the right direction. I've got legacy app launchers listed in the menu, like geany and chromium, but when I click on any it doesn't run. and in .xsession-errors a new error emerges "... terminated with status 1". What are the prerequisites for launching it properly please? Thank you very much for you answers.
[19:53] <ferri> the loss of conection in the wifi - 3g transition is soooooo anoying
[19:53] <dobey> studio_: i don't know which ones are supported or not; but just because the sensor data is not used in a manner which you personally want to have it used, doesn't mean they are not supported, either
[19:53] <rsalveti> ferri: we hope to have a fix for that in our next OTA
[19:54] <ferri> the phone locked my sim... almost bricked the phone... :(
[19:54] <ferri> thans rsalveti
[19:54] <ferri> thanks
[19:54] <EdwardMorbius> zubozrout that should work via XMir I believe but I dont know how to make it work, someone else hopefully does know.
[19:54] <ferri> but when will be relased next OTA?
[19:54] <ferri> :/
[19:54] <rsalveti> ferri: in 1-2 weeks
[19:55] <ferri> ok, no solution for the wifi/3g issue before?
[19:55] <ferri> its sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo anoying :(
[19:55] <zubozrout> EdwardMorbius yes, currently xmir is probably the only way to go. But I haven't been able to find anything related to how to get this working even with intense Googling.
[19:56] <rsalveti> ferri: check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1418077
[19:56] <ferri> rebooting the phone everytime i leave home or office
[19:56] <rsalveti> enabling/disabling flight mode usually fixes it
[19:56] <dobey> zubozrout: probably because it's not really supported yet :)
[19:56] <ferri> yep, i tried the flight mode, but phone crash :(
[19:56] <EdwardMorbius> zubozrout Will Cooke should know how as he made those convergence demos
[19:56] <ferri> all system hanged
[19:56] <dobey> zubozrout: the demo video you probably saw of that, had a lot of very special configuration to make work, and is not a generally available solution (nor will it likely be the final implementation)
[19:56] <rsalveti> ferri: oh, didn't reboot?
[19:57] <EdwardMorbius> but like dobey said it isnt supported yet
[19:57] <ferri> rsalveti: the phone remains with black screen with backlight turn on
[19:57] <rsalveti> hm, unity8 probably crashed then
[19:58] <rsalveti> there should be a crash file under /var/crash/
[19:58] <ferri> rsalveti: i try all key combinations, and after some time, i could turn off the phone and reboot it
[19:58] <rsalveti> yeah, probably a hard unity8 crash
[19:58] <rsalveti> we know we got one, and that we got people actively working on it
[19:59] <ferri> rsalveti: but when i resrted, fligth mode was enable, and when i turned it off, phone says me that SIM was locked
[19:59] <EdwardMorbius> unity8 froze once on me but I managed to turn the phone off and on
[19:59] <ferri> rsalveti: i rebooted again, and all seems to work fine now
[19:59] <studio_> dobey, for me it is difficult to explain in english, but for exp. the "proximity sensor", can it handle gestures in combination with the cam?
[20:00] <zubozrout> dobey & EdwardMorbius I think I am a bit too impatient. I've been using Ubuntu on my device since september and I've been watching the progress closely being on the proposed channel all the time. Those videos and screenshots looks exciting.
[20:00] <ferri> rsalveti: i love to tinker with the phone, but i'm going crazy with stability issues
[20:00] <rsalveti> ferri: oh, sorry for that, we are working hard to get them fixed
[20:00] <dobey> studio_: no, the proximity sensor is to detect when you pull the phone away from your head for example
[20:00] <EdwardMorbius> zubzrout I like them too but it will take some time before it officially works
[20:00] <studio_> ok
[20:01] <ferri> rsalveti: yes, i know, and thanks :) when i bought it i know that it was a risky step, but i love ubuntu and i want to make a try
[20:02] <ferri> rsalveti: btw, i'm currently using linux mint, but... well.... ;)
[20:02] <rsalveti> thanks for that, it's going to improve soon for sure, we're going to have constant OTA
[20:03] <EdwardMorbius> rsalveti ota we get often is one of the major advantages over other mobile OSes, no need to wait for months for the manufacturer to release new firmware to fix bugs
[20:04] <rsalveti> indeed
[20:04] <EdwardMorbius> and many never release new updates if the phone is low to midrange or very few updates
[20:16] <EdwardMorbius> I am off, have fun guys :)
[20:18]  * dragonkeeper wonders how easy ubuntu app creation is, he wants a ssh client
[20:20] <dragonkeeper> setting up the sdk :)
[20:21] <studio_> rsalveti, are you still there?
[20:21] <rbasak> dragonkeeper: use the Terminal app. Run "ssh" :)
[20:22] <rsalveti> studio_: yes
[20:22] <studio_> i was able to reconnect via bt, but ...
[20:22] <dragonkeeper> rbasak, its lot of effort when im outside. plus i like to save alot of different ips
[20:22] <studio_> a hidden wifi seems to make problems
[20:24] <studio_> the hidden wifi is still in the list, but i am not able to re-connect
[20:24] <studio_> i can delete, but not connect to it
[20:25] <dragonkeeper> random question but has anyone tried sdr on phone yet ?
[20:26] <rsalveti> studio_: were you able to connect to it before?
[20:28] <studio_> rsalveti, first whe i inserted the data, also after a first reboot, but after a shutdown i was not able to re-connect automaticaly or manually ...
[20:28] <AlanBell> is there a vlc based media player?
[20:28] <dobey> AlanBell: not afaik
[20:29] <AlanBell> what I actually want to do (just to see if I can) is play some MP3+CDG karaoke files :)
[20:29] <davmor2> AlanBell: no there is media player
[20:30] <rsalveti> studio_: hm, wonder if signal is just not too low
[20:30] <AlanBell> can't quite figure out the video player yet, these things are kind of mp3 files plus a .cdg file which is somewhere between images and video
[20:30] <AlanBell> work fine in vlc
[20:30] <studio_> rsalveti, i never had this problem on the original bq image, just on 15.04
[20:31] <dobey> AlanBell: i don't know how they work, but probably shouldn't be too much trouble to get them working in mediaplayer-app.
[20:31] <rsalveti> studio_: right, next image should have some fixes that could be related with this
[20:32] <davmor2> AlanBell: Assume not and be pleasantly surprised if it works ;)
[20:32] <studio_> ok
[20:33] <AlanBell> davmor2: as far as I can see they don't work - yet. there is python support http://www.kibosh.org/pykaraoke/development.php but the phone isn't very pythonish
[20:33] <dobey> AlanBell: can you play them with gstreamer?
[20:34] <dobey> ie in totem or something?
[20:34] <AlanBell> nope
[20:35] <studio_> dobey, there i a gstreamer for ut?
[20:37] <dobey> pretty sure gstreamer is what's used to actually handle all the codecs
[20:38] <AlanBell> let me pop one somewhere for you to have a look at . . .
[20:38] <studio_> dobey, sorry for naive question, but how to install gstreamer on ut?
[20:39] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/karaoke/
[20:39] <AlanBell> if you grab those two files and do vlc test.mp3 it should play with the lyrics
[20:39] <dobey> studio_: it's already installed. it's a library, not an app
[20:39] <studio_> hmm, and why it can't play ac3?
[20:40] <dobey> because it can and you simply failed to file a bug about it not working for you
[20:41] <studio_> i do not understand, it can but not for me?
[20:44] <dobey> i don't know, but you keep mentioning ac3 not working, and afaik you haven't filed a bug about it, or anything
[20:46] <dobey> maybe ac3 isn't supported on the phone. i don't know. i don't have any ac3 files to test with, and i don't work on that part of the phone. file a bug if it doesn't work. or complain to bq support. complaining in irc isn't going to fix it
[20:46] <studio_> sorry, i do not understand you do not know, is ac3 working on your device? if yes, what device are you using?
[20:47] <dobey> iirc, ac3 is encumbered, so there might not be any support on the phone
[20:49] <studio_> i thought they (you) use the same codecs as on android, aren't they (you)?
[20:51] <dobey> no, why would you think that? ubuntu is not android
[20:51] <studio_> sorry again for my naive questions, but you, here in the chat, told me, you need the android-stuff for the ubuntu-phone
[20:52] <dobey> the only parts of android used on ubuntu on the phone, are the kernel and very low level things
[20:52] <dobey> all the high level stuff is not there and we don't use it
[20:53] <SkidzRulez> Is the low level stuff to circumvent baseband issues?
[20:53] <studio_> so and why ac3 is working on android but not on ut?
[20:53] <SkidzRulez> ac3 is high level and not included (yet)
[20:53] <dobey> SkidzRulez: well, it's to be able to use the baseband at all, because the hardware is proprietary
[20:53] <dobey> studio_: again, ubuntu is not android.
[20:54] <dobey> hardware drivers are not audio codecs
[20:54] <SkidzRulez> I remember stuff from the OpenNokia project that the baseband couldn't be fiddled with because of operator restrictions etc
[20:54] <SkidzRulez> (Whilst that is the area to fiddle, from a security standpoint ;) )
[20:56] <studio_> dobey, sorry, i am still learning, and as i can see, to compare ut to other for exp. debian os, there is still a lot of android-stuff.
[20:57] <dobey> *sigh*
[20:57] <SkidzRulez> lol
[20:57] <studio_> sorry :(
[20:57] <dobey> there is extremely little android stuff
[20:57] <AlanBell> it isn't android stuff, but there is parallel evolution
[20:57] <dobey> one might say, a minimum amount
[20:58] <AlanBell> in many ways I have found that a decade of using Ubuntu is of no value in learning to use the phone, however my android experience is much more helpful
[20:58] <SkidzRulez> Most phones run two or more OS'ses, albeit mostly *the same* ;)
[20:59] <dobey> anyway i was just trying to help AlanBell
[21:00] <SkidzRulez> I have a reasonable amount of Linux under the belt, both apt and rpm based distro's, but managed to fsck the phone in like 3 hours ;)
[21:01] <studio_> dobey, can you please give me a hint, how to build ffmpeg for my device?
[21:01] <dobey> with a compiler
[21:02] <studio_> cool ;)
[21:04] <jhodapp> AlanBell, the mp3+cdg files won't work at present
[21:04] <dobey> studio_: if all you want is ac3 support, and you've already change / to be writable, you could probably just install gstreamer1.0-libav
[21:04] <dobey> jhodapp: we determined that :)
[21:04] <jhodapp> dobey, cool :)
[21:04] <dobey> seems there is no gstreamer support for them anywhere either :-/
[21:05] <jhodapp> dobey, studio_ and yes, installing libav for gstreamer will help you play almost any type of audio file you can think of
[21:05] <jhodapp> dobey, interesting
[21:05] <SkidzRulez> studio_: http://goo.gl/zBxdXF
[21:05] <dobey> might be useful when OTG video support lands to have it though
[21:06] <jhodapp> dobey, OTG?
[21:06] <dobey> jhodapp: usb to video adapter (external display on the phone)
[21:06] <jhodapp> dobey, ah right
[21:06] <dobey> usb on the go
[21:06] <dobey> jhodapp: i'm guessing we don't/can't ship libav on the phone because legal reasons?
[21:07] <jhodapp> dobey, correct
[21:07] <AlanBell> jhodapp: yeah, I will put it on my very long term todo list :)
[21:07] <jhodapp> dobey, we can only take subsets of it, certain codecs that we or an OEM already have paid for a license
[21:08] <SkidzRulez> dobey, jhodapp, can't you use the licenses bq payed for the 'Droid verios?
[21:08] <SkidzRulez> s/verios/versions
[21:08] <jhodapp> SkidzRulez, that's what I just said :)
[21:09] <dobey> jhodapp: ok. i guess we should bq to update their documentation, or see if we can't get support for a couple more codecs on the phone, since http://www.bq.com/es/ubuntu.html says ac3 is supported for example :)
[21:09] <studio_> SkidzRulez, thanks, but i only want to install packages, that are "normally" also working on ubuntu desktop. if i need a compiler, would be nice to give also other users the chance to in install it.
[21:09] <jhodapp> dobey, I'd file bugs for the bq device specifically where anything that their docs claim to support for media but we don't support
[21:09] <dobey> or does the official device image have ac3 support?
[21:10] <jhodapp> dobey, don't remember off hand
[21:10] <dobey> i don't have a bq phone, so i can't check easily either
[21:10] <SkidzRulez> Want me to test?
[21:10] <dobey> sure
[21:11] <dobey> if you have something with ac3 available
[21:11] <SkidzRulez> mom, dl ac3 test file :P
[21:11] <jhodapp> dobey, if you wouldn't mind filing a bug for this making sure it's related to BQ specifically, that'd be very helpful
[21:11] <dobey> jhodapp: well, the bq page says we support .ppt and .xls too. i'm pretty sure even the bq image doesn't have that :)
[21:12] <jhodapp> dobey, of course, but in this case ac3 is a very valid thing for us to support and either the solution is to change the docs, or we make sure it's supported
[21:12] <dobey> right
[21:12] <dobey> we might have some issues with image and video formats there too. i haven't got a bq device to test any of that on though
[21:13] <jhodapp> dobey, for video we support everything that the hardware decoder supports
[21:13] <dobey> some of them would probably be fine on the regular devel images though, since they're not all encumbered.
[21:14] <dobey> well i can't see any video on the nexus5 anyway :P
[21:14] <jhodapp> dobey, probably a simple thing to fix too
[21:14] <dobey> maybe DonkeyHotei will fix that too *hint*
[21:15] <jhodapp> thanks dobey
[21:15] <DonkeyHotei> what isn't being played?
[21:16] <dobey> well no local videos play for me
[21:16] <dobey> but the audio usually does
[21:16] <dobey> and no thumbnails in gallery or the scope
[21:16] <DonkeyHotei> what codecs/formats are *supposed* to work?
[21:19] <dobey> .3gp/.mp4/.flv/.webm/.avi/.mov/.mkv
[21:19] <dobey> those are the ones listed for the bq device
[21:19] <dobey> i'd guess the nexus devices would have similar hardware decoding support
[21:20] <dobey> video plays fine in youtube webapp though. just videos playing in mediaplayer-app don't seem to work quite right
[21:20] <SkidzRulez> I copied an avi to the video folder with ac3 sound but it is not visible in media player
[21:20] <dobey> i guess because mediaplayer is trying to do something via hardware, and on hammerhead it's probably not quite configured right or missing something
[21:21] <dobey> SkidzRulez: does the sound work?
[21:21] <dobey> SkidzRulez: if the video is divx, it probably doesn't work
[21:21] <SkidzRulez> I'll have to find another testfile then ;)
[21:25] <luckybunny> I'm hearing Touch only allows foreground apps to be active
[21:25] <SkidzRulez> ac3 in ogg works
[21:25] <luckybunny> might explain why I disconnected from IRC as soon as I switched to sudoku
[21:25] <luckybunny> that's kinda inconvenient though
[21:26] <SkidzRulez> dobey: Found an OGG file with AC3 that works nicely
[21:26] <dobey> that's odd
[21:26] <SkidzRulez> dobey: I only don't hear the audio for the rear speakers, front left/center/front right I can hear
[21:27] <dobey> you have surround sound on your phone?
[21:27] <SkidzRulez> No, but it supports the ac3 decoding I guess
[21:27] <SkidzRulez> testfile on http://www.mysurround.com/en/info-test
[21:27] <SkidzRulez> Used http://www.mysurround.com/test/TestMySurround-en.dbr.oggto be exact
[21:28] <dobey> http://www.mysurround.com/test/TestMySurround-en.dbr.ac3 <- not that one?
[21:28] <SkidzRulez> The audio player does not recognise the ac3 extension, the file is in the folder but it does not 'see' it
[21:29] <dobey> the ogg is not ac3
[21:29] <SkidzRulez> wait
[21:29] <dobey> it's 5.1 vorbis
[21:29] <studio_> just for explain, ac3 is just, when it is working on pcm. digital is not supported!
[21:29] <SkidzRulez> it sees this ac3, another test file didn't show up
[21:29] <SkidzRulez> let me rename forclarity and i'll test it
[21:30] <studio_> ac3 is using ace -> pcm
[21:30] <studio_> ac3 -> pcm
[21:30] <studio_> nothing more
[21:30] <dobey> you are not explaining anything
[21:31] <studio_> ac3 is digital, digital output is only supported via hdmi or mhl
[21:32] <SkidzRulez> False alarm. The ac3 file does not show up.
[21:32] <dobey> everything is digital. we're talking about bits on a phone
[21:33] <dobey> huh, the .ac3 file from that site says "N/A" for the audio codec in totem
[21:33] <studio_> dobey, how to ac3 5.1 to 2 speaker phone?
[21:33] <dobey> this new technology called "software" using this other new technology called "downmixing"
[21:34] <studio_> downmixing is pcm
[21:34] <SkidzRulez> wut
[21:37]  * dragonkeeper looks at his phone that has a mini hdmi port 
[21:37]  * dobey looks at his brain, sitting in his palm
[21:37] <studio_> *lol*
[21:38] <cheeseboy> why when i try to open picture from gmail it stuck in dl quque?
[21:38]  * dragonkeeper looks at his phone that is using camera to look at dobey looking at his brain 
[21:39]  * SkidzRulez wants to smoke the same stuff dragonkeeper and dobey have
[21:39] <anpok> dobey: and there is a thing called usb dac and hifi headsets..
[21:40] <dragonkeeper> eh my ubuntu-sdk design tab is chucking up error qml module not found +  qml_import_path
[21:40] <SkidzRulez> Like you go buy a 169 euro beta phone for the audio quality *shrugs*
[21:41] <dragonkeeper> SkidzRulez,  sounds .. logical
[21:41] <dobey> SkidzRulez: i wouldn't buy any phone for audio quality :)
[21:41] <SkidzRulez> That's because it's digital ;)
[21:41] <studio_> ok, mpga is working again, was also working 2 days ago ... i'll try now ac3
[21:42] <SkidzRulez> Not really practical, vacuum tubes in a phone. Standby time 30 hrs, talktime 3 hrs, music listening 4 minutes :P
[21:43] <dragonkeeper> talk time on loud speaker <1min
[21:43] <SkidzRulez> hehehe
[21:43] <SkidzRulez> Class AA phone amp
[21:43] <dobey> for audio quality i have my home studio, home theater, and cars :)
[21:43] <SkidzRulez> Hot pocket, I guess ;)
[21:44] <SkidzRulez> Thank TFSM for difference in taste
[21:44] <Chipaca> sergiusens: plz https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/account-polld/fix-1365206/+merge/254383
[21:44] <SkidzRulez> cars for audio quality *shivers*
[21:44] <studio_> hmm, i do not understand this gallery, on my usb-stick are 2 videos, one with ac3 only and one with ac3 and mpga. how to change them?
[21:46] <dobey> SkidzRulez: sound quality in a car isn't terribly hard to do, but does require a bit of work and being smart about building the sound system
[21:46] <dobey> most annoying thing is all the plastic and such in the interior
[21:47] <SkidzRulez> dobey: So you take a bad geometrical shape, fill it with dampers and hard reflective surfaces, and try to drown out the outside noise with quality? You can get decent audio in a car by using over-ear headphones of a decent make ;)
[21:48] <SkidzRulez> Like I said, difference in perspective ;)
[21:49] <dobey> fill it with hard reflective surfaces? you don't know anything about car audio do you? :)
[21:49] <SkidzRulez> Do you take out the windows then ;)
[21:50] <SkidzRulez> I meant the factory makes a bad shape for audio so you have to make a huge effort to get it corrected
[21:50] <DonkeyHotei> dobey: i see what you mean about videos not playing. any logs i can look at to see errors?
[21:50] <dobey> it's not a bad shape for audio
[21:50] <dobey> DonkeyHotei: i don't know
[21:51] <dobey> well, i don't know what kind of cars you've driven. but most of the ones i've driven aren't a bad shape for audio :)
[21:51] <SkidzRulez> Opel Aguila ;)
[21:53] <dobey> and sometimes, the intake/exhaust is all the sound system i need
[21:53] <SkidzRulez> I knew some guys taking cars really seriously, it's a cool thing to fiddle with
[21:53] <studio_> gallery allways copied videos from the otg-usb-stick to /home/phablet/Videos, and video are allways, shown by date in the gallery app, to play. that makes no fun :(
[21:53] <SkidzRulez> Hmmmm, the plopping of an intake on a single cylinder opening the gas valve...
[21:56] <studio_> is mplayer supported in ut?
[21:57] <dobey> no
[21:57] <studio_> :(
[21:57] <SkidzRulez> Is the av hardware also behind the Droid HAL or can UT reach it directly?
[22:00] <SkidzRulez> ppl, i'm signing off. Thanks for the help and the laughs ;)
[22:00] <dobey> not sure
[22:00] <SkidzRulez> I'll find out tomorrow ;)
[22:03]  * dragonkeeper kicks ubuntu-sdk 
[22:03] <studio_> why do you want to hide the media-player and not fix it?
[22:04] <dragonkeeper> outta sight outta mind lol
[22:05] <dobey> what are you talking about re media player?
[22:07] <studio_> dobey, for me, media-player is something like vlc on ubuntu desktop, i am wrong?
[22:08] <dobey> it isn't. it's designed more like a "widget" so it's not really an app
[22:08] <studio_> so are you going to port (real) vlc to ubuntu touch?
[22:08] <dobey> the right "fix" for its current design is to have it not appear as an app, and be a trusted prompt thing instead
[22:09] <dobey> i'm not touching vlc, no
[22:10] <dobey> and now, i am leaving, because it's past time for me to be gone already
[22:10] <dragonkeeper> hmmm.... torch app ?
[22:10] <studio_> vlc-player is a "compromise" to kodi, but nothing like that i've seen for ut
[22:12] <dragonkeeper> oh nvm my store was being a pain
[22:13] <studio_> hehe, ut, unreal tournament, would be nice on ubuntu-touch :)
[22:13] <dragonkeeper> counterstrike
[22:13] <studio_> yepp :)
[22:14] <dragonkeeper> possible, if u can make controls nice . or use otg for controller
[22:15] <studio_> in the "beginning" i'd like to see a demo of quake :)
[22:16] <dragonkeeper> i want my gps fix and ingress  for phone and my sdk to work on desktop , lol thats all atm
[22:18] <dragonkeeper> only be nice to have those games if multiplayer worked
[22:22] <studio_> just a simple demo from Xonotic would also be nice, to show what is possible ... :)
[22:22] <dragonkeeper> xonotic is fun
[22:23] <studio_> yes, but how to show on ut?
[22:27] <studio__> xonotic is old school :)
[22:32] <studio__> Devs, is that: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io920ID423A" possible on UT?
[22:39] <studio__> come on, don't watch that video so long, i know it is cool, but is something like that possible on ubuntu touch?