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mappshm04:58
mappscan get ajaxterm to work at all..had it working fine before;/04:58
diddledan_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU05:30
knightwi1emornign06:52
diddledan_allo07:13
nigelbhttp://img.weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/rain-error-sun-404.jpg07:14
nigelbThis is in Seattle, but I couldn't help think of London :)07:15
knightwi1egood morning everyone.07:43
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MooDoomorning07:58
knightwisehey MooDoo , howarya07:59
MooDoook ta matey, you?07:59
knightwisedoing ok, working from home the 5th day in a row .. going little cabin crazy08:00
MooDooyeah not surprised08:02
knightwiseespecially since I have to pull the blinds in my home office against the glare of the sun (or I get a migraine)08:07
knightwiseso : darkness from 6 to 4 pm08:07
MooDooeeeek08:08
* knightwise remembers when he used to work in an office with hot chicks08:09
MooDooshall we start calling you knightwise-voldemort II due to your pale skin?08:09
knightwiseits not that bad , beloved sweety takes me outside enough.08:10
knightwisejust that working for this current client has meant having to direct co-workers08:10
knightwiseeverything is done via mail or conf call08:10
knightwisenext project wil hopefully be a little more "social" :)08:10
MooDoodo you contract, or is it part of your natural working life, depending on clients?08:13
knightwiseI'm a freelancer. work on long term contracts for clients08:13
knightwisethis is my first gig , been doing it for allmost a year now08:13
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MooDoonice08:36
diploMorning all08:38
knightwisehey diplo08:38
diploHow are we on this fine spring morning08:39
knightwisefriday ... always a good thing :)08:39
knightwisewatching some old belgian tv shows on youtube while drawing up some reports08:39
diploWatching and drawing up reports, are you not telling us something knightwise ?08:45
zmoylan-pithe start of war of the worlds were the martians slowly and surely drew their plans? :-)08:46
knightwiseLol :)08:48
knightwisejust multitasking a little08:48
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Myrttiwatching twitch, downloading wedding photos09:10
Myrtticoffee and cranberry juice09:10
knightwisehmmm09:13
knightwiselooking at a video for the aquarius09:13
knightwisei ordered one yesterday09:13
knightwiselooks ... Alien ...09:23
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Theatre Day! :-D10:15
diddledan_\o/10:16
diddledan_so putting my mobile phone near to a usb3 cable causes the device on the end of that cable to flap10:27
diddledan_methinks there's some interference induced10:28
knightwisediddledan_: quite possible10:31
diddledan_I remember the mess an incoming call caused on my old CRT back in the 90s10:31
diddledan_and on my sound system10:32
diddledan_wireless comms really are a pain10:32
zmoylan-piall those early gsm phones near speakers *di du di, di du di, di du di, di du di*10:34
popeyhttp://imgur.com/Cwma0Kf10:35
diddledan_eek10:35
diddledan_the problem is it actually looks like a birth defect10:36
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:36
diddledan_ello bobo10:36
diddledan_that's my new name for you :-p10:36
awilkinsMine still does the dit duh duh dit duh duh thing10:39
diddledan_dit dit dit. dit dah dit dit.10:39
diddledan_(HP)10:39
diddledan_no that's not HP10:39
diddledan_I suck10:39
zmoylan-pii sometimes wish i knew morse in case it's trying to tell me something :-)10:39
diddledan_it's S something10:40
diddledan_I only know S and O10:40
diddledan_I could do binary communication using just S and O though10:40
diddledan_what do you mean three times the bandwidth?!10:41
diploAnyone know of any CMS documentation software that looks/works out of the box like this https://advanced-python.readthedocs.org/en/latest/fabric.html10:52
diplo?10:52
diploI've looked at running wiki's and other CMS's but I don't want to spend time settign them up to look and work like this10:52
diploBut that's the sort of thing I'm after :)10:52
diplo<--- Lazy :P10:52
diddledan_the link on the footer points to http://sphinx-doc.org/10:53
diploAnd popey, after trying to look at touch and stuff related to it and posts on discource and irc channels has anyone thought of using a voting system to see what the users would like to see implemented on it, sure there used to be something for one project years ago10:54
diploA bit like http://feedback.azure.com10:54
diddledan_the theme used on that page is available at https://github.com/snide/sphinx_rtd_theme10:54
diploYeah that's for formatting the docs diddledan_ :)10:54
diploWell that's how I read it10:54
diplogithub is being ddos'd :(10:55
diddledan_it is?10:55
diplohttps://status.github.com/messages10:55
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)11:08
diddledan_ello11:08
bashrc_morning11:11
diplodiddledan_: I was wrong about that spinx stuff, just need to read it better11:26
diploHave some test pages up already, taking a bit of getting used to :)11:26
ChloeWolfieGirl2I saw in Manchester most of the displays around arndale run windows, pls fix popey12:15
* diddledan_ fixes popey 12:16
ChloeWolfieGirl2haha xD12:16
* DJones remembers the time he had the dog "fixed", walked with a limp and wouldn't look at me for days12:20
DJonesHope you washed your hands diddledan_12:21
diddledan_lol12:21
diddledan_yey, payday12:22
diddledan_or should that be: yaypayday12:22
diddledan_money hasn't hit my account yet tho12:24
ChloeWolfieGirl2oh gosh, I... I'm sorry popey12:26
TwistedLucidityChloeWolfieGirl2: Fix? No, leave 'em. Probably running Windows XP. Oh...the fun that could be had...12:30
diddledan_sainsburys' customer service machines on the front desk run xp12:32
diddledan_I notice that every time I walk past on my way out of the shop12:32
ChloeWolfieGirl2diddledan_: that's a place you shouldn't use a credit card then?12:35
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awilkinsSo many ATMs running Windows 200012:45
awilkinsFrom 2009 : http://www.jeremias-maerki.ch/wordpress/2009/11/09/atm-hanging-at-startup/12:46
awilkinsWhat's the bet it's still running Win2k now in 2015 ?12:46
shaunowe have nuclear submarines running win2000, and we're worried about ATMs?12:47
* awilkins remembers "Windows for Warships" (Windows NT 3.51)12:47
awilkinshttps://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/windows_for_war_1.html12:48
awilkinsThe power of "default"12:48
awilkinsMy boss insisting that we have a time-tracking system. And that we fill our timesheets in as Excel workbooks.12:49
awilkinsSpent half a day confirming that you can use a VBA macro to merge sheets into a single book12:49
awilkinsIt takes me about 20 minutes to set up a working Redmine server.12:50
shaunosad thing is what became 'windows for warships' was the kind of scenario that looks like a shoe-in for linux - trying to modernize a sparc/solaris stack12:57
diddledan_lol @ the raptor breaking when crossing the dateline12:59
TwistedLucidityshauno: Hardly going to be networked to the wider world.13:05
* TwistedLucidity thinks of Battlestar Galactica13:05
diddledan_TwistedLucidity: until they need to calculate trajectories13:05
diddledan_TwistedLucidity: then they'll need to network things to get the extra compute power13:05
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TwistedLucidityI WILL NOT HAVE NETWORKED COMPUTERS ON MY SHIP!13:06
diddledan_TwistedLucidity: and it's at that moment that the cylons will decide to attack, obv13:06
diddledan_I loved that show13:06
diddledan_I was all emotional with the epic storytelling of the final episode13:06
TwistedLucidityI did until season three. I have never forgiven them for how they ended it13:06
diddledan_season three was the one during the writers' strike iirc?13:07
TwistedLucidityThink so. But it was fairly obvious they had no clear story-arc mid-season two.13:08
TwistedLucidityAnd then that ending. What utter tripe.13:08
TwistedLucidityIt would have almost been better if Adama woke up in his bed and it had all been a dream.13:09
diddledan_I kinda wish that caprica was given more of a chance13:09
TwistedLucidityIndeed13:09
Stass_http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html13:40
Stass_ leaves13:40
diddledan_was that an attempted trolling?13:40
diddledan_I think it's akin to viruses that helpfully patch the hole they enter through13:40
Myrttioh, it's that person13:46
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safiyyahHi all, want to get a wireless adapter for my desktop, any advice?14:17
Myrttiget one that does 5GHz14:17
safiyyahI just had virgin media fix me a line and well I do not want them wiring across my fireplace, so I need a wireless one14:18
safiyyahMyrtti, will any go14:18
foobarryor powerline adapters ;)14:18
Myrttiwell of course if your box doesn't do 5GHz then there's no sense in getting a Wifi card that does it14:18
Myrttiwell, actually, I lied14:18
Myrttiit's a good idea to get one even if the box doesn't do it.14:18
Myrttiand you have to check if the card/adapter does 5GHz, I don't think all of them do yet14:19
safiyyahMyrtti, do I get the USB or can I get a card that slots in the motherboard14:20
Myrttisafiyyah: "it's up to you and your computer"14:21
safiyyahI want  card, what is it called?14:22
bigcalmsafiyyah: Look at Edimax USB wifi adaptors. Edimax are well supported in Linux14:34
bigcalmIf you've only just got the line installed by VirginMedia, the modem they have installed will give you both 2.4ghz and 5ghz access points14:35
bigcalmBut if you want a card to put in side your machine, the term is PCI14:35
TwistedLucidityAh, I was just about to big-up the Edimax cards and suggest they get a new router (VMs is horrid). But they've gone.14:39
* bashrc_ owns edimax hardware14:40
bashrc_the edimax wifi adapters were a good investment. I've been using PCI/usb ones for years14:42
diddledan_I find it interesting that serial was the only communication available in the distant past then came along parallel upping speeds drastically and now we're back on serial for everything again14:46
diddledan_parallel meant thick cables tho so I guess theres that14:46
shaunoparallel is still faster, but harder and harder to do at speed14:47
shaunojust the whole physics of getting each lane to arrive at exactly the same time.  the faster you go, the more precise that has to be14:48
diddledan_then of course you get weird hybrids ala pci-e14:49
zmoylan-piit all went pear shaped after isa :-D14:50
shaunoit's pretty much just been out-moored. it's easier to brute more speed out of serial than to finesse more accuracy out of parallel14:50
diddledan_zmoylan-pi: the agp was pretty much a stupid idea14:51
diddledan_i.e. why limit it to just gfx?!14:51
zmoylan-piand vl bus14:51
diddledan_then there's 64bit isa14:51
diddledan_that's the really long server varient14:52
diddledan_designed specifically for raid cards methink?14:52
zmoylan-pimy first hard card was on a full lenght 8 bit isa connected daughter board. and the hard disk was on opposite end away from pc blanking plate so it wobbled something terrible if you so much as sneezed near it14:53
diddledan_ours was pretty snug14:55
diddledan_it was the whole width of the case tho14:55
diddledan_i.e. it went from the right to the left of the case rather than back to front like more modern systems14:56
zmoylan-pithis one was about 3" too short to connect with opposite side of case as it was a weird shaped pc compatible14:56
diddledan_heh14:56
diddledan_mine was an alan sugar special14:56
diddledan_AMSTRAD PC1512 (google it!)14:57
zmoylan-piso wobbly hard drive was suspended wobbling constantly over expensive motherboard which inspired confidence14:57
diddledan_\o/14:57
zmoylan-pimy first experience with pcs was an amstrad 1512.  crap but cheap14:57
shaunoreminds me of how I killed my 386.  but I'd taken the drive apart and dettached the platter before powering it up.  so I kinda deserved it14:58
diddledan_err14:58
diddledan_how did it fail (in what manner)?14:59
shaunodeath by shaun?14:59
diddledan_lol14:59
shaunoI can't remember what killed the drive.  but I wanted to see how fast it spins, powered it up, and it shinobi'd itself straight accross the mobo14:59
diddledan_you really aren't very good with computers staying in one piece are you?14:59
shaunocomputers aren't meant to stay in one piece.  they're delivered in parts for a reason15:00
zmoylan-pii once destroyed a very expensive esdi drive of about 200mb by wiring it up the right way.  made a funny popping noise as it powered up, spun up, faster and faster and faster till it popped and then stopped forever15:00
diddledan_>.<15:00
diddledan_the right way or the "right" way?15:01
zmoylan-pimy boss gave out to me till he saw i had wired it up correctly whereas he had accidently got it working by wiring it up wrong as we had been sent the wrong cables15:01
diddledan_so it was his fault?15:02
zmoylan-pino, it was the suppliers fault. i had merely done the right thing tidying up his work after he had spent a week setting up a novel server15:02
diddledan_methinks the extra L is important for correct pronunciation15:03
diddledan_novel vs novell15:03
zmoylan-piwhoops, sorry yes15:03
diddledan_well I guess it was novel that he got it going with a wonky wiring15:03
zmoylan-piit was late and he was tired and he got it wrong which was we found the way it was supposed to be :-)15:06
zmoylan-pityping all the known bad sectors into novell to prepare a new drive was fun back then15:07
diddledan_it's crazy that we had to do things like that15:08
zmoylan-piand then run ?compsurf to check afterwards and hope you didn't get an abend error15:08
zmoylan-piwe'd come back after a weekend run to find the abnormal end error and have to start it all over again15:09
diddledan_brb, reboob15:13
zmoylan-pi0o15:14
diddledan_back again - nothing happened I see15:24
ujjainwill opening a stock isa somewhere give me restrictions?15:25
diddledan_I would go with PCI or better PCI-e15:25
ujjainI'm planning to open a axa self investotr, but not sure if choosing the wrong platform would be a big deal, even though the exit fee is 015:25
foobarryujjain: try moneysavingexpert web site15:26
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TwistedLucidityDidn't the recent budget change some of the tax rules on savings accounts?15:40
foobarryyes15:43
foobarrythe y announced it, dunno when it applies from15:43
diddledan_nice. working long hours pays off when you're on an hourly/daily rate :-p16:01
diddledan_48 hour week this week . lots of money :-D16:02
ali1234did that origami unicorn g+ post just get deleted because of the rather inappropriate picutre it contained?16:07
ali1234no, google just hid it for some reason16:08
diddledan_o_O16:36
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Banana_i have problems installing drivers for my graphics card via the intel graphnics installer for linux. It fails on installing packages.19:14
directhexBanana_: file a bug with intel, they'll forward it to the guy who makes the installer19:28
Banana_it wont let me install drivers... it says the follow packahes have unmet dependencies19:32
Banana_and at the end it says it is a virtual package19:33
Banana_is there a another method to install intel drivers on ubuntu?19:42
directhexBanana_: what's the problem with the ones installed by default?19:45
Banana_i was full support19:45
Banana_i mean i want full support19:46
Banana_as in i want all the drivers19:46
directhexum19:46
directhexthe only difference between the intel driver in ubuntu and the intel driver via the installer is possibly (but not always) the intel download is a bit newer19:46
directhexthere's no actual feature difference19:46
Banana_okay, one more things, when i try to install some things i sometimes get this E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.19:49
davmor2bigcalm: how's the spy camera?20:03
directhexBanana_: "apt-get -f install" should fix those cases20:03
Banana_do i put apt-get -f install in terminal or do i put the program name in after install and than press enter?20:04
directhexjust "apt-get -f install"20:05
Banana_E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?20:05
directhexit will likely propose removing whichever broken package you suggested installing20:05
directhexsigh.20:05
davmor2Banana_: sudo apt-get -f install20:05
directhexstick sudo at the start. sysadmin tasks need to be done as root20:05
Banana_oh20:05
Banana_E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?20:06
directhexare you running a package install in another window?20:07
Banana_no, i only have one terminal running20:08
davmor2Banana_: do you have Software Center open too?20:08
Banana_no, i dont have software center running.20:08
Banana_i have firewall ?20:09
Banana_hey i fixed it20:10
Banana_i installed it20:11
davmor2\o/20:11
Banana_Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 15 not to upgrade.20:11
Banana_right?20:11
Banana_should i install the package20:12
Banana_now20:12
directhexwhich package?20:14
Banana_nevermind, i still have the same problem20:15
Banana_E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.20:15
Banana_i hardly can install packages because most of the time that shows uo20:16
directhexit shows up because your package database is currently broken20:20
directhexand you aren't fixing it20:20
directhexlet's give this another go. although i'm well beyond my usual limit.20:20
directhexwhat does "ps | grep dpkg" say? that'll tell you if the package manager is already running, which it seems to think it is20:21
Banana_in terminal20:21
Banana_do i do that in terminal20:23
elfyyes20:24
Banana_nothing shows up20:24
directhexok, good.20:25
directhexand "sudo apt-get -f install" ?20:25
Banana_Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 15 not to upgrade.20:26
directhex"sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?20:27
Banana_Install these packages without verification? [y/N]20:28
directhexwhich packages?20:28
Banana_sudo apt-get dist-upgrade20:28
Banana_do i20:29
ChloeWolfieGirlEH I got a desktop today, and I've been trying to get it to work, I removed the battery and put it on to make it power up via the power button, its plugged in, on board graphics removed the off board graphics card, and it shows No Signal, it doesn't say anything about BIOS or my live disk, just No Signal, I've searched on google and just get answers for dual monitors with windows, and I honestly don't know what20:29
ChloeWolfieGirlI'm doing anymore! xD ;-;20:29
Banana_do desktops have batterys?20:30
directhexBanana_: you don't know this stuff well enough to know which info is essential and which is not, so assume everything is. use paste.ubuntu.com and give us the url20:30
Banana_http://paste.ubuntu.com/10691279/20:31
directhexBanana_: a watch battery is used to save BIOS settings20:31
Banana_a watch battery? you mean those small cycle type20:32
directhexBanana_: ok, i think "Y" is okay here.20:32
ali1234why can't they be verified?20:33
directhexthey'll be coming fro the 01 repo, which is broken somehow for this user20:33
shaunohe said he was trying to upgrade his intel drivers.  they look suspiciously related to this20:33
Banana_i installed it20:33
ali123401 repo?20:33
directhex01.org is intel's foss hub20:34
ali1234oh. and they don't sign their packages?20:34
Banana_no no, eh i think i didnt make myself clear but you said they look suspiciously related to this so i think it will work20:34
Banana_i said i have a another problems with installing things in terms of 'sudo thingy'20:35
Banana_god my grammar is bad, it always say e: you have broken packages20:35
Banana_most of the time20:36
Banana_like this -:> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages20:38
Banana_but you did say this problem may link to the reason why i cant install intel packages20:38
Banana_did i make myself clear did i confuse you lot20:42
mappsfinally got a collection card20:52
mappsnow just hav o get it on monday20:52
mapps*to20:52
elfyBanana_: did the not being able to install anything come first?21:05
elfydo you have a load of odd ppa's?21:05
elfyyou'd certainly need to deal with the broken packages before you can even think about installing this intel stuff21:06
mappsi couldve got it today but they posted it to the wrong mailbox21:09
mappsgrrr21:09
elfymapps: yea but anticipation :)21:16
elfyI was pleased to get the nexus thingy - got that for testing stuff, need to catch up with popey at some point21:17
mappshopefully...my nexus7 is charging21:17
mappsits a REAL PAIN everytime i let it run down completely21:17
mappsdidn't mean to forgot to check it21:18
* elfy had an odd just telling me the date thing the other day21:18
mappsilets see how much it charged21:22
mappsjust cant get proxypass t work21:32
bashrcare you on nginx?21:40
mappsnope apache21:42
mappsi've got qwebirc on http://127.0.0.1:9090 -external host http://parrots.zapto.org - using a ProxyPass and PorxyPassReverse to http;//parrots.zapto.org/newtest21:42
mappsBUT it doesn't work right..if you view the source you can see it's loading something but not properly;/21:43
mappsany idea on what i could be doing wrong..if you lad the newtest link youll see what i mean21:43
mappsstuck or ideas ..qwebirc loads fine loading it locally i just want to make it accesible via main web server using proxypass21:43
bashrcI had a lot of trouble with apache - especially performance and proxying. nginx was a easier21:44
mappsi had it working before;/21:44
shaunowhat are you seeing in view-source?  can you paste that somewhere?21:45
mappsjust the html21:45
mappswhere it tries to load the css etc21:45
mappsits the qwebirc page but sec21:45
mappshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1069174621:47
mappstheres what /newtest has as view source which is the main page for qweb irc which would be shown when going to localhost:909021:48
intrbizmapps: ProxyPassReverse doesn't edit any of the page content21:48
mappsand it works fine accessing localhost:9090 i just ant it proxied so i can access it via normal web site21:48
intrbizProxyPassReverse merely edits Location headers21:48
mappsi didnt say it did..didt mean to if i did21:48
shaunohm, this where it's trying to fire the js .. "baseURL":"http://parrots.zapto.org:9090"21:49
mappsshould i not be doing it how i was trying? I had PoryxPass /newtest http://localhost:909021:49
mappsproxypassreverse /ewtest21:49
shaunothat likely doesn't work.  you might want to see if you can set baseURL to just http://parrots.zapto.org/ in the config somewhere?21:49
mappsya thats BaseURL in config.py should that be localhost:9090 then?!21:49
mappsi did and that didn't work shauno ;(21:50
intrbizmapps: those two lines are have you need for proxying21:50
mappslocalhost:9090 is how you'd access it locally21:50
intrbizmapps: looks like you base url in the config should be your external url21:50
shaunoI'm only assuming, but I think that should be an address accessible from outside the proxy21:50
mappshmm21:50
intrbizif you need the proxy to alter things like that, you need to use mod_substitute21:50
mappsi tried that..i tried http://parrots.zapto.org/qweb/ - where qweb is the folder in /var/www that has qweb src - is that what you mean?21:50
shaunoif you have a proxypass for /qweb too :)21:51
intrbizprobably21:51
mappshmm i need a proxypass for qweb too? hm lets see21:52
mappshttp://parrots.zapto.org/newtest external url localhost:9090 on the fs /var/www/qweb where the files are O_O21:52
mappsso i need to set baseurl to /qweb intrbiz do i need a proxypass for qweb?21:53
shaunoI think what I'd do, is open chrome, open the web inspector, and go to the 'network' tab21:53
mappsyea21:54
shaunothen try to load the page, and look for all the red entries in list of network resources.  and figure out why your proxy config isn't routing those requests to the right place21:54
shaunobecause I suspect that's what's going on .. if the script tries to load something from /qweb/, and you only have /newtest as a proxy route, /qweb doesn't exist externally21:55
mappsok:)21:55
mappslets see if i can fix it21:55
mappsye21:55
mappsi see21:55
shauno(or if it's still writing the port number into requests, or blah blah blah)21:55
mappshm21:56
mappsfelt a lot easier before;021:56
shaunoit always feels easier when it works :)21:57
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