[06:28] <PCLine_> ownCloud – web services under your control 
[06:29]  * Unit193 doesn't use it.
[06:30] <PCLine_> I need a way to share a calendar and contacts would be nice also.
[06:33] <PCLine_> and I think there is a way to sync Bookmarks with this
[06:33] <PCLine_> I will soon find out
[06:36] <Unit193> Not compatible with sync 1.5.
[06:42] <PCLine_> Looking at the link its 1.4 .... I might have a problem with 1.5  :(
[06:48] <Unit193> Lines crossed, there's only sync 1.1 and 1.5.
[06:54] <PCLine_> https://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php/Mozilla+Sync?content=161793
[06:54] <jenni> [ Mozilla Sync apps.ownCloud.com ] - https://j.mp/192UQfi
[06:54] <PCLine_> I seen the 1.4 and thought that was the sync version...
[06:55] <PCLine_> might be the app version
[11:45] <dzho> radicale, perhaps
[14:04] <thafreak> i use owncloud...not particularly jazzed about it
[14:06] <dzho> a lot of these things I had hoped there would be clear python alternatives to, but the scale at which python programmers seem to write their code either leaves you with stuff that's smaller in scope or more general or something.
[14:06] <dzho> like, you could use django for this, probably, but uh.
[14:07] <dzho> or you could cobble together some libraries and mini frameworks and whatnot.
[14:08] <dzho> I wonder if python will just get skipped over and the oh-do-not-make-me-use-PHP alternative will end up being written in node or something.
[14:32] <thafreak> or ruby
[14:32] <thafreak> everything is in ruby that's slick it seems...or yeah node is starting to take over some of the ruby
[14:32] <thafreak> but I hear you...
[14:33] <thafreak> there is seafile which is python, but it's not quite the same as owncloud
[14:33] <thafreak> it does things differently
[14:33] <thafreak> owncloud just sticks your files on the server in a spot that's writable
[14:33] <thafreak> you can back them up or download them manually if things go sideways
[14:34] <thafreak> seafile decided to store everything in checksum named blocks
[14:34] <thafreak> so it can support deduplication
[14:35] <thafreak> everyone writes their own thing and everyone does it differently, they don't just change code platforms it seems
[14:35] <thafreak> i would like to see something tied heavily to nginx my self...make nginx do as much of the heavy lifting as possible
[14:35] <jrgifford> eh, i doubt there would be a ruby implementation. 
[14:36] <jrgifford> ruby community is too busy infighting over a bunch of other things right now to build something useful.
[14:37] <thafreak> figures
[14:37] <thafreak> it seems like all the cool stuff is done in php or ruby, both of which I'd rather not use
[14:37] <thafreak> but i end up being forced to (gitlab)
[18:37] <dzho> jrgifford: if you ever stumble across a good Cliff Notes summary of the ruby battle I'd love to see what that's about.  
[18:38] <jrgifford> dzho: it's just more of the same stuff that's been going on for years.
[18:38] <dzho> yeah I don't really do ruby, but am interested in how communities define and defend themselves
[18:38] <dzho> like, I know |foo| is a thing in ruby :-)
[18:38] <jrgifford> basically, there's this weird situation with the different virtualenv-type tools
[18:38] <jrgifford> and they keep bickering.
[18:39] <jrgifford> And I say "they" in that while I am a contributor to one, I have apps that are tied to the 2 main players.
[18:39] <dzho> huh
[18:39] <jrgifford> that's the cliff notes. it's been happening for years. 
[18:39] <jrgifford> but it's starting to flare up again.
[18:40] <dzho> like, I didn't get a lot from the whole systemd fracas except extended dance remix versions of "you're a poopyhead.  No, you are." until I read https://pappp.net/?p=969
[18:40] <jenni> [ Linux Future | PAPPP's Rambling ] - https://j.mp/1GxoR40
[18:42] <jrgifford> Basically, some of the tools believe in the unix way. others believe in a little more hand-holding. the happy middle ground is to use the unix way (minimal responsibilities for a single tool), combined with docker/something similar to be a sandbox.
[18:42] <dzho> paultag has a nice write-up on this wrt system tools vs language tools
[18:43] <jrgifford> i don't remember seeing that. would be interesting
[18:43] <paultag> http://notes.pault.ag/debian-python/
[18:43] <jenni> [ Ceci n'est pas une -EPIPE ] - https://j.mp/1GxoXc2
[18:44] <paultag> It's so sensible you can't help but agree
[18:45] <jrgifford> oh, nice!
[18:47] <jrgifford> bookmarked
[18:47] <jrgifford> don't ever take that page down paultag 
[18:47] <paultag> It's one of my better posts
[18:59] <dzho> ah, there it is
[18:59] <dzho> :-)
[20:46] <PCLine_> Good afternoon