[01:11] I'm thinking it might be a good idea to incorporate the patch at the end of this bug in vivid/PPAs, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 [01:11] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11450 in core "Thunar 1.64, 1.65, & 1.66 crash when moving files" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] [01:19] I snagged the exo patch. :P [01:21] (late) evening folks [01:21] hey ochosi [01:21] Unit193: which one? [01:41] bluesabre: how's it goin? [01:42] ochosi: not too bad [01:43] packaging that fix for thunar, and then will probably do some uploads [01:43] is there a working fix already? [01:43] i skipped the backlog about that the last few days [01:44] it seemed to go rambling on and on and on... [01:44] some confirmed a fix that was applied today [01:44] and then emailed me directly to get it fixed in ubuntu :P [01:44] so I'm going to do some testing on it [01:45] heh ok [01:45] that is some user initiative there [01:45] indeed :D [01:46] and now we're in bug-hunting/fixing mode for vivid, so that's going to be fun [01:49] so vivid bugfixing is your main focus atm? [01:49] don't really have a main focus, if anything, its been hard to focus the past few days [01:50] :) [01:50] me neither, was too busy with RL work [01:50] maybe I'll test the gtk3 exo, see if I can package it one way or another, and do a 0.11 release [01:50] would like to work on some ports for xfce again [01:51] also need to figure out the xfce_spawn_on_screen issue in exo 0.10.4 [01:51] eric ported garcon [01:51] nice [01:52] xfce-dev has been so active I have not been able to keep up [01:52] the screenshot in the roadmap isn't the most recent though [01:52] the padding has been fixed [01:52] garcon was really a comparably easy port [01:52] bluesabre: Unable to focus, need glasses? [01:53] ah ah [01:53] anyway, gotta hit the sack [01:53] ochosi, which one? [01:53] ah ah! [01:53] Unit193: :P [01:53] can't focus anymore and my glasses don't help anymore [01:53] knome: yours obviously [01:53] night all! [01:53] ouch [01:53] night ochosi [02:13] welllllp, not fixed, or new bug on https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 [02:13] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11450 in core "Thunar 1.64, 1.65, & 1.66 crash when moving files" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] [07:08] so - did anyone actually bother with a release note ? [07:14] xfpm crashing apparently - not reportable, ppa's ... [07:24] morning elfy [07:25] morning ochosi [07:25] no, i dropped the ball there a bit i guess [07:25] somehow you had such a good grip on the release notes so far that they weren't really on my radar [07:26] knome and bluesabre were looking at it [07:27] is there a pad? [07:27] ochosi: the draft is at xorg [07:28] * ochosi looks [07:28] I put in the basics and linked to the wiki notes yesterday [07:28] wasn't there another known issue? [07:28] just needs the nice writing written :) [07:29] i think sean said something about a freeze of ubiquity at the end [07:29] there's an OEM issue [07:29] yea - that's really the same issue [07:29] plus he said we have icons on the desktop in the ubiquity-only session [07:29] ah ok [07:29] yea - I saw those but didsn't actually take much notice of that :( [07:30] right, that we have to fix [07:30] i mean specifically we [07:30] yep [07:30] still wondering whether we should use something other than xfdesktop to draw that background... [07:34] ochosi: doesn't seem to be a bug for that - I'll do one now - what to report against? [07:35] not sure, maybe xubuntu-default-settings [07:35] or -meta [07:35] ok - don't suppose it matters much as it'll be internal anyway [07:35] Can't we just pretend it isn't happening? :( [07:36] well if bluesabre hadn't said anything it was going in one eye and out the other here :p [07:36] \o/ [07:37] Next time someone gets a chance, open a terminal there and dump the env to a pastebin? [07:37] we know now though ... /o\ [07:37] booting it now Unit193 [07:37] (Someone = me if it's not done by the weekend and I remember it.) [07:38] i don't remember how we created specific settings for xfdesktop just for the ubiquity only session [07:38] with xfwm4 it was easy, just a startup command to disable the compositor [07:42] Did we ever? [07:42] bug 1437180 [07:42] bug 1437180 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437180 [07:45] Unit193: dunno, i'm wondering though why the icons didn't show up from the start [07:45] ochosi: xfdesktop4 4.11 vs 4.12? [07:47] hm, not sure there was any change in that department [07:48] then again i wouldn't notice, i don't use icons on the desktop ever [07:48] elfy: updated the draft a little [07:48] ok [07:48] do we have more known issues or stuff we need to add there? [07:49] there are a couple still kicking about - but the one we need to note is the eject/reboot issue [07:49] I was expecting trumpets and fanfares on the xorg post re 3.12 :p [07:50] s/4.12 [07:51] yeah, could do a separate post, not sure the release announcement is the best place for fanfares [07:52] but feel free to extend what i've written there up to now, i'm a bit tired so maybe not in the fanfare-mood for that reason [07:52] I'm not *that* worried [07:52] also, the current double-reference to the known issue is a bit confusing [07:52] and maybe we should move the link to detailed notes at the very bottom [07:56] I thought you were too tired :) [08:03] ochosi: ok - I removed the double reference - left it at the top as a warning [08:03] changed known issues to just be link to the wiki - which makes sense I guess [08:05] uhm now there's another more obvious duplication [08:05] or are you still working on the pageß [08:05] ? [08:05] nope [08:06] highlights and issues... [08:06] also "Please note the important install known issue *below* " doesn't make any sense anymore [08:08] done [08:10] i removed that linebreak in the bugreport reference [08:10] or was that intended? [08:10] no intended line breaks - I can only just see the screen at the moment :) [08:11] ok, i think i'm ok with it as it is now [08:11] okey doke [08:11] maybe we should give either bluesabre or knome a chance to take a look and sign off [08:11] ochosi: works for me [08:11] cause i wasn't kidding when i said that i'm actually too tired for this sort of work [08:12] ochosi: I would have carried on [08:12] okeydokey [08:12] go ahead then [08:13] I'll play a bit more - then leave it for the other 2 - as long as we publish sometime today [08:14] maybe even add a 'don't install from it if you don't want to hard install, install b1 and dist-upgrade instead" [08:14] anyway -- have a good day ochosi :) [08:18] yeah, sounds like sane advice [08:18] alrighty, bbabl [10:45] good morning [10:58] flexiondotorg: Can you check out https://code.launchpad.net/~kalgasnik/lightdm-gtk-greeter/post-2.0.0/+merge/251694 and see if it resolves the white screen issue without the specific monitor configuration? [11:01] morning bluesabre [11:01] yeah, i agree that it's mostly bugfix, which is why i commented [11:01] it's quite big and seems to be a single commit [11:01] which makes it extremely hard to review [11:02] some fixes can be huge, but this is also 4 different fixes, so it'd be expected to take up some space [11:03] and this is C, where nothing is small and tidy [11:03] i know [11:03] just saying, throwing >1 bugfix in one commit is not ideal [11:03] ah, gotcha [11:04] but as long as this fixes things, i'm fine [11:04] wasn't sure why he named the branch like he did though [11:04] (other than the commit being big) [11:05] yeah [11:05] I'm going to review the branch tonight and give it some testing [11:05] those fixes are certainly welcome :) [12:51] bluesabre: did you look at x.org beta2 post? [12:52] i didn't even if i promised [12:52] is it published or does it need love now? [12:55] not published - and you might want to give it some love [12:56] ok, i'll look at it [12:56] is the release out? [12:56] eg. can i push it out when it's ready [12:56] yea - about 12 hours ago [12:56] yea - publish when ready [12:57] ok [13:39] bluesabre, Been in a meeting. Looking now. [13:46] bluesabre, That is a significant patch. Give me a bit... [13:46] bluesabre, Do you want me to test this or review the code? [14:55] krytarik, you haven't made any MP yet, have you? [14:55] regarding the translators credits? [14:57] Nope, was waiting for your response on any of that first - though I *did* think about just blankedly doing some. :P [14:57] please go ahead [14:57] * krytarik looks back at the list [14:59] * slickymaster checks krytarik url [15:01] krytarik, we're still under http://www.cellrabta.pk/xubuntu/docs/unmerged-changes.html proposals, right? [15:01] Yep. [15:02] slickymaster: Please let me know what else of those you think is desirable and managable right now. [15:02] that's a lot of items [15:02] Yeah, I had a bit of time. :P [15:03] even though some would be doable in a single MP [15:03] my suggestion would just that krytarik [15:04] those who could be gathered into a single MP [15:04] would be the ones we could deal with, now [15:04] and leave the rest for the next cycle [15:04] what do you think? [15:04] Well, *everyone* of those could :P - but some are dependent on other stuff. [15:05] The ones having sub-bullets, specifically. [15:07] that last item seems to be the most sensible one, in terms of a possible negative impact [15:10] That is, right now it's more like a complete package, with only the ones marked with an [i] being able to be independently applied - so I'd indeed prefer not having to pull all those apart, however for traceabilities' sake... [15:10] *traceability's [15:13] slickymaster: Yeah, on that one, every language's translators would have to get those through the translation system once again - without doing any actual translation. [15:14] However, I'd really like to fix that up too. [15:15] yeah, but we're 23 days away from release, so I'd prefer to play on the safe side and leave that one to thew W cycle [15:16] s/thew/the [15:16] Well, if it's not 'translated', it'll just look the same. :P [15:17] However, that affects the translation percentage, of course. [15:17] hm hm [15:17] Also, DSF and all... [15:18] And then there is the x-d-s stumbling block, of course. [15:19] (Regarding the other one.) [15:20] so the way I see it, we have two possibilities, either we go with a MP, just with the [i] items [15:20] or we go with a MP with everything with the exception of the last item [15:23] slickymaster: The x-d-s change would still have to be decided on then though. [15:25] For me to go in one direction or another reg. it, that is. [15:25] yeah, indeed, and that does implies bluesabre and/or ochosi and/or Unit193 2 cents [15:25] Yep. [15:27] what cents? [15:27] hey ochosi [15:27] Euro, of course. :P [15:28] hey, whazzup? :) [15:28] see what krytarik and I have been discussing [15:28] ^^^ [15:29] krytarik, I would say that a MP with the first three [i] items would be the best approach now, since we're so late in the cycle [15:31] slickymaster: Like I indicated, I can always roll back some of the changes on the individual parts, if separate MPs are needed, or some of the changes aren't wanted/applyable yet. [15:32] but there's no need/point on doing things and then rolling back, if it can be avoided [15:34] Well, I have the current state reflected by all the involved files, but that doesn't mean I can't pull out any individual changes if needed - always had that in mind. [15:35] That is, I'd rather do *that* instead of dropping most of the currently applyable changes for now. [15:35] that makes sense [15:35] That is to say, just the [i] ones don't quite cut it for me. [15:36] Or the first ones of those, rather. [15:37] I get that [15:37] slickymaster: i read a bit of the backlog, but i'm not sure where you want/need my cents..? [15:37] regarding the x-d-s change [15:38] slickymaster: And particularly the very first item, appearance of cross references, I'd like to at least have approved by knome too. [15:39] yes, I'm sure that we'll jump in as soon as he'll see the backlog [15:40] ochosi: And maybe the breaking of strings not actually to translate too. [15:46] ochosi: The options there are: a) Change x-d-s; b) Add a symlink in the docs package; c) Only add a 'website' target and leave the rest as is. [15:46] Obviously, I'd prefer to do it proper. :) [15:47] * properly [15:48] sorry, you still lost me there, what change in x-d-s exactly? what are you referring to? symlink in the docs package to what? [15:48] The file path in the Help .desktop file would have to changed. [15:49] right why's that? [15:49] It's currently pointing to the 'about' subdirectory, and would then need to point at the root directory. [15:49] ah [15:50] exactly [15:50] so instead of exo-open --launch WebBrowser /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html [15:50] exo-open --launch WebBrowser /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/index.html ? [15:50] Yep. [15:51] sounds like an easy change, so what's the question again? :) [15:51] lol [15:51] you want me to just change that or would you expect any drawbacks..? [15:51] Only if someone is eager to do that. :P [15:51] any changes in x-d-s has to go by you [15:52] or bluesabre an/ord Unit193 [15:52] this seems like a very sensible and easy change [15:52] yes [15:52] so yeah, not sure what a symlink would help [15:54] ochosi: Well, I'm happy if it's not needed, of course. :P [15:54] However, I actually tested that - not the coolest thing on Earth, of course. :D [15:55] Hello, can someone point me on how to clone the git repo/submodule containing thunar ? [15:55] sorinello: git clone git://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar [15:55] I see that thunar appears in more $TYPE's [15:56] krytarik, slickymaster: for simple changes like these the most efficient way is to just tell one of us "hey, change this and that in x-d-s" or even submitting a MR for that would be fine [15:56] thanks ochosi [15:56] sorinello: yw [15:57] ochosi, any particular reason why xfce source are not on github ? [15:57] how come xfce hasn't migrated to github [15:57] sorinello: there's a github mirror, but it's not used for development [15:57] there seemed no need to migrate [15:57] ochosi: Yeah, we haven't really had a chance to chat about all that till now - so I left that as an option. [15:57] we're happy with our servers [15:58] okay, thanks for the info, I just want to poke a little bit in the sources of thunar [15:59] ok ochosi, consider yourself as 'told' about it, then ;) [15:59] hehe [15:59] slickymaster, krytarik: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/562 [15:59] sorinello: hf! :) [15:59] great ochosi [15:59] thnaks [15:59] thanks even [15:59] LOL - that was quick. [16:00] slickymaster: Snacks! :P [16:01] ok, krytarik, let's wait for the Finnish input on all this, and then propose a MP and I'll be happy to review it and merge it [16:01] np, quick is how i roll ;) [16:01] lol [16:02] however, we still need another upload before the final release [16:02] slickymaster: Excluding the general credits still, yes? [16:02] so that would be something to keep on the radar [16:02] yes krytarik [16:02] (we might need more changes in x-d-s though) [16:02] indeed ochosi [16:03] speaking about snack krytarik, little one is already nagging about it [16:03] lol [16:03] Well, I just had breakfast. :P [16:03] we had lunch just 2 hours ago and he's already hungry :P [16:04] That's what it needs to get from little to big. ;P [16:08] :) [16:08] 4 [16:08] lol irssi is lagging again horribly [16:09] It's not Irssi, it's your internet connection. :P [16:09] no it's not [16:24] slickymaster: This is what I mean by "Correct some data in the general contributor credits" exactly, btw: http://paste.openstack.org/show/QdZJSz82u43SNIRGZlJz/ [16:43] yeah, alphabetical order krytarik [18:11] slickymaster: Nah, I was about to say disregard that, that's secondary - the more important one is the incorrect LP user names. [18:19] you're. tbh I didn't noticed the correction of the LP names:P [18:19] my bad [18:20] Yeah, I can see how that can be overlooked there - lazy me. :P [19:46] bluesabre, Would you have time to upload xfce4-session 4.12.1 for me? [20:00] it and xfdesktop4 4.12.1 are in ppa:noskcaj/staging [20:06] knome: lmk when you're about? want to chat polos (I sadly haven't kept up with any potential discussions you may have already had with ochosi, only pings from ochosi post washing :)) [20:07] evening pleia2 [20:08] o/ elfy [20:15] Noskcaj, are you preparing xfdesktop 4.12.1 for vivid? if yes, there are two regressions. not documented on bugzilla yet, but fixed in master. [20:16] brainvvash_, oh. Is a bugfix release coming soon or should i add patches to my package? [20:16] a bug fix release is planned, but only eric_the_idiot knows when it will be released :) [20:18] ok. I might save xfdesktop4 for a MRE so we can test it a bit better. There's a lot of changes anyway [20:41] Noskcaj: there's 3 weeks until final freeze, standard SRU test period is 7 days... [20:42] if it's not uploadable now, it probably shouldn't be an SRU either... [20:44] micahg, I didn't look at the release schedule, i just knew it was "soonish" [20:44] We should have enough time then [20:45] Noskcaj: and anything you need sponsored, if you throw it in the queue, I can take a look over the weekend [20:46] micahg, session's the only xfce thing i need sponsored ATM, if bluesabre doesn't just copy it from my PPA, i'll make a bug tomorrow [20:51] Hi ye. Has Xchat been dropped from vivid-β2 ? I had to install it manually on live-usb. [20:52] yes it has [20:53] Will it return for the final release? or will there be no IRC client installed by default ? Thanks elfy. [20:53] http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-14-10-beta-1/ [20:53] was removed in the last release [20:53] no - there are no plans to bring it back [20:54] not well supported anymore, I actually use hexchat here [20:54] Ok elfy, I will check out Hexchat ;’ [20:55] I would :) [20:55] not sure why we say install xchat tbh, the removal came about after a discussion in team and on devel mailing list about replacing xchat with hexchat [20:56] * micahg uses xchat :) [20:57] I used to for ~5 years [20:58] moved to hexchat last cycle because we were talking about changing [20:58] 2 really annoying issues for me with it, though I plod on using it ;) [20:58] I only stop using something when issues are really really annoying ... [21:06] I didn't realise that Pidgin could do IRC. I just had a look at some pictures of Hexchat, it looks almost the same as Xchat. [21:07] gnumbknuts, hexchat is based on xchat, but it is actually being maintained [21:07] it doesn't do it very well, but it's already included and we figure anyone who is going to be using IRC for more than a channel or two will have their own preference anyway so they'll just install their own client [21:07] pidgin's irc is pretty dreadful for regular users, but it's enough for people needed support most of the time [21:09] gnumbknuts: hezxchat is a fork afaik [21:09] just has some suppport [21:10] works ok here except - alt+a to /away and ctrl+f resizes the whole window [21:10] those being my 2 issues with it ;) [21:10] does sasl though apparently [21:11] I was thinking because IRC is such an old format, that if a client worked properly. then it wouldn't need maintaining. [21:14] Yes well... I,m new to IRC so I'm a bit scared of using some of those commands in fear of breaking something. LOL! [21:14] gnumbknuts: There [21:14] there is that - but if something does happen - is there anyone about ... [21:14] s a difference between "maintained" and "actively developed". [21:15] See: ssl bugs :) [21:15] and with that, dinnertime [21:17] pleia2, here i am [21:18] hi knome [21:18] hello elfy [21:18] though I'm not likely to be mistaken for pleia2 ;) [21:18] and no, still didn't do anything about the announcement - friend popped here sooner than he told he was going to [21:18] I guess it doesn't really matter whether or not an IRC client is installed by default. That's the beauty of ?ubuntu based distros, it is very easy to install :) [21:19] knome: yep - assumed something [21:19] gnumbknuts: that for sure [21:27] Hint, don't use pidgin and IRC. [21:29] While I'm here... In trying out Vivid-β2, I noticed that the menu icon on the panel is the xfce-menu icon. Should it not be the Whisker-menu icon ? [21:29] mmm [21:29] should be the Xubuntu icon [21:31] looks like the Xubuntu one http://i.imgur.com/n7C5mOu.png [21:34] elfy: Yes that is the one, I think I may have gotten the names mixed up. So then it, seems that all is well.