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travnewmatichey!  i had to leave work but i'm dying to know how our good friend Cameron is faring00:08
travnewmatic:(00:10
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pedahzurDoes there any more exist a kubuntu-XX.XX-alternate ISO that does a text-mode install, and lets you do things like configure disk encryption, and the like? Or do I just need to do a server ISO install, and then install the kubuntu-desktop meta-package?00:57
pedahzurI see there is no ubuntu-XX.XX-alternate any more either.00:58
cjwelbornIs there an easy way to search an Http Index from the command line? like the 'find' command, except I'm looking for certain files in video.fosdem.org's http index?00:59
cjwelbornI suppose I could make something myself in python, I was just wondering if another command already had me covered..01:00
uid1Hi, 'fraid I'm gonna start with dumb question: what package is Flash plugin found in?  On Kubuntu 14.04 here.05:48
MoonUnit`baloo_file 100% again, noticed when i restarted it it was getting stuck on the konversation logs, added the folder to the 'do not search'  and it started working normally.08:27
MoonUnit`for now at least.08:27
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lordievaderGood morning.09:22
drawkwardGood morning lordievader09:23
lordievaderHey drawkward09:23
drawkwardlordievader: I am slowly finding my way through. I hope to become a permanent contributor to KDE from now. If my proposal is accepted in GSoC it would be a great start. :)09:27
lordievaderdrawkward: Whoo, nice :D09:43
drawkward:D09:44
fannymartinezusing the kup backup system, how does one go about restoring files?10:16
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BluesKajHowdy all10:59
ColtonDRGHi BluesKaj11:06
BluesKajHi ColtonDRG11:07
ColtonDRGBluesKaj: What's up?11:07
BluesKajnot much , just having morning coffee, you?11:08
BluesKajColtonDRG,^11:10
ColtonDRGNot much here either11:11
ColtonDRGJust chillin', working on some IRC stuff.11:11
ColtonDRGBluesKaj: ''11:11
LukePerryHi11:12
ColtonDRGBluesKaj: Tagging helps because Quassel sends a desktop notification11:12
ColtonDRGHello LukePerry11:12
LukePerryHey11:12
LukePerryI have tried Kubuntu11:12
ColtonDRGJust tried it?11:12
LukePerryI am surprise of the integration of Ubuntu with KDE11:12
LukePerryit is very good11:12
ColtonDRGI'll be honest, it's ugly by default.11:12
ColtonDRGBut with some tweaking, you can make it really slick.11:13
LukePerrywell it requires a bit of artwork11:13
LukePerrylast time i tried, a couple of years ago, it has too many bugs11:14
ColtonDRGI dunno, the default colors and Plasma theme is pretty horrid11:14
ColtonDRGUbuntu is always buggy.11:14
LukePerryit was not possible to compare Kubuntu with other more mature KDE based distros such as OpenSUSE or Mageia11:14
ColtonDRGLukePerry: I'm using Kubuntu for various reasons.11:15
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LukePerryI am using Kubuntu because I prefer KDE over Gnome, Unity...11:15
ColtonDRGLukePerry: But I am using the OpenSUSE Plasma Theme and the Obsidian Coast color theme.11:16
BluesKajbeauty is in the eye of the behplder...seen some pretty "ugly" setups that the user considered cool looking :)11:16
ColtonDRGLukePerry: I use KDE because I don't like Unity, and Ubuntu-GNOME is a peice of crap.11:17
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LukePerryLinus Torvalds uses KDE11:27
BluesKajLukePerry, how do you know ...never seen him publish any prefernces11:41
ColtonDRGBluesKaj: He uses OpenSUSE. I know that. Logically, he probably uses KDE too11:57
BluesKajopensuse is fine ...it's always been my 2nd choice as a linuix OS11:59
BluesKajColtonDRG, ^11:59
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MoonUnit`hmm latest windows 10 preview won't run with kvm.13:31
BluesKajMoonUnit`, I tried Windows 7 wirh qemu-kvm, and it was fast and stable , but the networking /LAN  pcs couldn'r be seen whether windows or linux pcs ...I couldn't find any fixes on the net for this problem and the ppl at the qemu chat totally ignored my questions so I dumped qemu-kvm14:00
lordievaderMacvtap should die...14:04
MoonUnit`previous versions worked ok but build 10041 just hangs.14:04
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yossarianukhi with 15.04 how can I force screen DPI ?16:26
yossarianukwhen I use the nvidia driver the window decorations are huge16:27
yossarianukI aware I could do it with the Nvidia  driver / xorg.conf - is there another way ?16:27
yossarianuki.e a KDE way.16:27
MoonUnit`haven't seen a setting for anything like that, you'll probably have to use the xorg way.16:29
yossarianukMoonUnit`: ok cheers16:29
yossarianukit looks fairly bad - the nouveau driver was ok16:29
yossarianukI can take screenshots to show.16:30
travnewmaticquite close :D17:20
MichaelPwhat version of kde is 15.04 ship with plasma5 or kde4 ?17:40
MoonUnit`plasma517:41
MichaelPis it full plasma 5 or still using kde4 base17:41
MoonUnit`full plasma5 as far as i know, some apps like dolphin are still kde4 though.17:42
lordievaderMichaelP: Since the transition to Plasma5 is modular it means that bits and pieces are still using KF4, but the majority is using KF5.17:43
MichaelPif dolphin is kde4.. then it using kde4 base... guess KaOS is the only distro right now stable full plasma5 no kde4 in it17:44
lordievaderKubuntu is rather up to date with their packages as they get build from the KDE git.17:45
lordievaderIf there is a KF5 based dolphin, Kubuntu likely has it.17:45
MichaelPyeah cause manjaro has dolphin kf5 kasos17:46
MichaelPdown load it and give it a shot17:48
lordievaderErr, no.17:49
lordievaderI'm happy with Gentoo.17:49
MichaelPI don't want to spend week building a distro17:50
lordievaderI'm not saying you should run it ;)17:52
MichaelPi like arch17:53
BluesKajwhat is full plasma 5 anyway? there doen't seem to be a definition17:53
lordievaderI guess where everything is ported.17:53
lordievaderDon't think it exists yet, but I might be wrong.17:53
MichaelPfull plasma with no kde4 in it17:54
MichaelPKaOS is full plasma kf517:54
BluesKajMichaelP, arch was an anticlimax to me after all that cli work to install it ...was pretty ordinary IMO17:54
lordievaderhttp://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html17:55
MichaelPBluesKaj, i can cli install it in about 20 minutes depending on how good mirrors are running17:55
lordievaderLots of things still depend on KF4.17:56
MichaelPyeah but KaOS is only a 2000 package kde distro.. So he building everything kf517:57
BluesKajMichaelP, I have a pretty slow dsl ISP by most stds nowadays, since I live in the boonies, but it took me about an hr if I recall to install arch'17:57
MichaelPim on a 8 Mbps cable connection.. Just download 15.04 at 1.817:59
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BluesKaj6Mbps here , the fastest dsl available , the cable co has faster speeds, but they're quite expensive for you get18:05
* lordievader wonders if he should brag about his connection...18:06
BluesKajfor what you get , thast is18:06
yossarianukBluesKaj: where are you ?18:07
yossarianukI can't use 'ubuntu-bug' in 15.04 - if I try  I get ' File "/usr/share/apport/apport-kde", line 43    from PyQt5 uic  ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax18:09
yossarianukthere is a dpi bug with nvidia h/w in 15.04 - makes the window manager look far fatter than it should.18:10
lordievaderyossarianuk: Looks like you have two bugs to report ;)18:11
yossarianuklordievader: yes you are correct... I'll have to do it the manual way.19:00
BluesKajyossarianuk, to answer your question. I'm in Canada, about 400KM North of Toronto19:02
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MoonUnit`looks like plasma5 has a little way to go, http://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html19:37
lordievaderJup19:43
yossarianukMoonUnit`: yeah no weather widget yet (most important thing..)19:52
yossarianukim really liking it though.19:54
yossarianukBluesKaj: feel sorry for your speed dude19:55
BluesKajwell I could have 20Mbps for 75bucks/mos , but I'm too cheap19:56
BluesKajyossarianuk,^19:57
yossarianuknot sure how that relates to UK pound, sounds expensive though.19:57
yossarianuki won't mention mine....19:57
yossarianukperhaps ask for donations through the kubuntu project, faster broadband = faster development for kubuntu. (I assume you are a dev..)19:59
BluesKajyossarianuk, nope, just a Kubuntu user/tester20:00
yossarianukBluesKaj: ah maybe the donation idea is out then.......20:00
BluesKajyossarianuk, around 50 pounds I think20:01
yossarianukthats expensive for what you get....20:01
yossarianukwould get you 120+ Mbps20:01
yossarianukin uk20:01
yossarianuk(although not in the sticks)20:01
MoonUnit`i get 80Mbps down for £3020:01
yossarianukthats good20:02
BluesKajwell atm I'm paying 37bucks Canadian for 6Mbps , which is probly aroun d 20 pounds20:02
yossarianukwell, better than it was in the 90's..20:03
BluesKajMoonUnit`, nice...but Canda has some of the highest internet charges in the western world due to the vast distances and the relatively small population20:04
BluesKajerr Canada :)20:04
yossarianukalways wanted to go to Canada, heard really good things about the place.20:05
yossarianuk(and have an Aunt there)20:05
BluesKajyossarianuk, we had 2 very cold winters in eastern Canada ..wasn't enjoyable at all, evben for those who love winter sports/activities, but it was unusually mild on the west coast20:08
yossarianukgood olde climate change....20:08
yossarianukanyway - if im writing a bug-report (and ubuntu-bug is broken..)  do I just do as normal  - i.e go here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug20:11
yossarianuksorry - if i'm reporting a 15.04 bug20:11
BluesKajgo for it, that's a good thing20:11
lordievaderyossarianuk: If that is the appropriate package, yes.20:11
yossarianukok will do20:12
yossarianukubuntu-bug doesn't work.20:12
yossarianukalso a dpi bug .20:12
yossarianuk(with nvidia - its going to make a lot of people potentially think kde5 is uglier than it is)20:13
yossarianuknot sure which package the dpi issue comes under - I gues nvidia-current20:13
BluesKajyossarianuk, I have nvidia and intel gpus on different pcs , and the plasma 5 desktop looks practically the same on both20:15
yossarianukwell the title bar on the window decoration looks huge on nvidia by default - at least for me.20:15
yossarianukI have to use nvidia driver+xorg to specify dpi to 96x9620:16
BluesKajyossarianuk, screenshot ?20:16
yossarianukone sec20:16
yossarianukhttps://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/Z5MX  - with dpi set in xorg.conf20:18
yossarianukhttps://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/Z5Mb - normal20:18
yossarianuknote : the nouveau driver is fine.20:18
yossarianukie the normal one the window title is about 50% larger20:19
BluesKajyossarianuk, to me the window just looks larger in snapshot 2 , but the titlebar looks normal relative to the rest of the window20:22
yossarianukthe window was the same size (it was not in  the same position)20:23
yossarianuklook at them next to each other the 2nd one is bigger.20:24
MoonUnit`bah thought i got apport-kde working by adding 'import' on line 43 but it just crashes out later on.20:24
yossarianukI guess its the font size that makes the difference20:25
BluesKajyossarianuk, right click on the titlebar choose more actions , then special applications settings , postion and size set to remember20:26
BluesKajafte you moc=ve thw window where you want20:26
BluesKajaerr move20:26
yossarianukthats cool - wasn't aware of the menu20:26
BluesKajand whatever size you want20:27
yossarianukthats really good..20:27
yossarianukhowever when i set dpi to 96 it looks fine20:27
yossarianukdefault dpi after installing nvidia is 101x10120:28
yossarianukthe title bar just looks too big and clunky20:28
MoonUnit`that's the main reason why i use kde, i like apps to stay where i place them.20:28
yossarianukat 96x96 it looks good20:28
yossarianukthe main reason I use kde it due to configuratuion abilities20:29
MoonUnit`the usual ui way of randomly placing windows annoys me.20:29
yossarianukI cant work with desktops without a task bar...20:29
MoonUnit`wish dolphin acted the same way as caja, every window size and position is remembered.20:30
yossarianukalthough if you want a desktop you can really spend all day tweaking check out enlightenment20:30
BluesKajmy desktop setup is quite simpleas you can see http://imagebin.ca/v/1wPpZqdB1aks20:32
BluesKaj105 dpi on a 42" plasma tv/monitor20:33
BluesKajnvidia-340 driver/8400gs gpu20:34
yossarianukwhat dpi ?20:37
BluesKaj10520:38
yossarianuktry changing to 96 ... it looks better...20:38
BluesKaj1920x1080  thefonts don20:39
BluesKaj'don't20:39
yossarianukim on that res too..20:39
yossarianuki don't just mean the font dpi - but xorg20:40
yossarianukthat also seems to make a difference20:40
BluesKajI'm 11 ft away in my easy chair , so prefer the higher dpi20:40
BluesKajno need for my glasses :)20:42
douglo/20:43
BluesKajhey dougl20:43
douglhow are you BluesKaj ?20:43
BluesKajok here dougl, and you ?20:44
* dougl pipes down to see if there is a conversation happening already...20:44
tnkhanhI'm trying out 15.0420:44
tnkhanhI cannot shut down after installation :s20:44
douglk20:45
BluesKajtnkhanh, yes that's a common problem, make sure you update and upgrade20:45
douglgood BluesKaj  just did a clean install of 14.04 64 bit... strangest thing a wifi issue pushed the issue20:46
tnkhanhBluesKaj: yes, I did update and upgrade before trying to shut down20:46
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tnkhanhnow its kind off hang but I can move cursor around20:47
BluesKajtry ctrl alt delete to reboot then try shutting down again20:48
BluesKajtnkhanh,^20:48
b1ackcr0wGood Evening all!20:49
BluesKajctl+alt+delete , that is20:49
b1ackcr0wInstalled the 15.04 alpha earlier, very impressed20:50
BluesKajHi b1ackcr0w20:50
b1ackcr0wQuestion: I've installed some plasma widgets in Muon, but how do I now activate them?20:51
tnkhanhBluesKaj: hm everything just turns black after ctrl alt del, I can move to other tty but I guess it wont help20:52
BluesKajb1ackcr0w, which widgets, some are available in add widgets20:53
BluesKajtnkhanh, looks like a hard boot is required20:53
tnkhanhBluesKaj: I guess so. Thanks20:54
BluesKajtnkhanh, it happened to me a couple of times too20:55
b1ackcr0wA bunch of them, there were only about half a dozen in add widgets when I looked earlier20:55
b1ackcr0wthe google calendar one would be particularly handy20:57
MoonUnit`the google calendar widget is broken in vivid21:00
b1ackcr0wAh, yeah, they won't even install from Muon now.21:01
MoonUnit`made a bug for it yesterday, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-googlecalendar/+bug/143743821:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1437438 in plasma-widget-googlecalendar (Ubuntu) "plasma-widget-googlecalendar depends not installable" [Undecided,New]21:01
BluesKajyeah, there are some missing widgets for the panel, even if you install them with apt and some work only in the terminal21:01
b1ackcr0wNo biggie, they are nice to haves. Must say that the basic stability, useability and polish is amazing for an alpha.21:02
BluesKajok , it's been a long day..gonna give these old eyes a rest ...later all21:03
MoonUnit`added the google calendar to korganizer but it isn't linked to the tray calendar either.21:03
ahoneybunemail sent for translations!21:48
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* vinny has coffy23:27
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vinnywhy can I not see any activity ?23:33
vinnyonly what I type23:33
Unit193Because nothing is happening right now?  Evening on a Saturday.23:33
vinnyO .....I see a lot of nicks ,,,,,,,,,but no noise :)23:34
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