[04:49] <bzoltan_> dragonkeeper:  the UI designer is useful only when you use stock Qt components and widgets. With Ubuntu  components is as useless as with any other custom created components. Sadly it is a fundamental flaw of the QtCreator, that the designer does not render custom components.
[08:18] <Charlie1> Hello
[08:29] <Charlie1> hello
[08:52] <zed123> hi
[08:52] <zed123> are there any ubuntu phone devs here?
[08:53] <zed123> i think it should be possible to download (free) apps without creating an account in ubuntu touch. firefox os allows this, so i see no reason why not ubuntu touch also.
[08:54] <zed123> also, see this thread: "Why do I need a ubuntu one account to download apps" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2265106
[08:58] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu bq Aquaris 3g always showing roaming is on | http://askubuntu.com/q/602303
[09:25] <Se7> opened for the first time the clock on bq phone, didn t set up location straight away but i did later with manual mode, the clock still give the message location service error. I have to enable locations for that message?
[10:15] <akahroba> hi
[10:15] <akahroba> anybody there?
[10:19] <dadexix86> hi akahroba
[10:21] <akahroba> my friend is facing some difficulties porting ubuntu touch to LG Optimus G.
[10:22] <akahroba> I wanna know if there is still anyone here who can help? He's facing demigod kernel crashes.
[10:25] <dadexix86> akahroba, there is already someone working on that, as you can see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices . I think that it is better to directly contact that person :)
[10:26] <dadexix86> akahroba, and on that page there are also the links to the instructions on how to install it
[10:32] <akahroba> Thanks but actually he's not working on it. Haze028 stopped working on it a year ago and the stuff there is pretty old.
[10:40] <dadexix86> akahroba, ok I did not know it :)
[10:41] <akahroba> So, will it be helpful if I invite him to join here?
[10:42] <akahroba> I see many members here but have no  idea how many of them are experts.
[10:43] <Se7> time e who knows akahroba :P
[10:45] <brunch875> hmmm home+scopes kind of got stuck
[10:45] <brunch875> can't swipe nor click on anything
[10:45] <brunch875> but the rest of the gestures + launching apps from side panel work
[10:45] <akahroba> we've already booted up with his build but we have no sim and no sound.
[10:46] <brunch875> issue is I'm not at home so I only have a charger but no USB
[10:46] <brunch875> is there any way I can use apport?
[10:47] <brunch875> before I reboot the device, that is
[10:48] <Se7> brunch875, if you put in standby and wake up it again works?
[10:49] <brunch875> nope
[10:49] <brunch875> I'm sure rebooting it will fix the issue though
[10:49] <Se7> think so
[10:50] <brunch875> I just want to take a snapshot of the process so I can send it to launchpad
[10:50] <ogra_> brunch875, if somethin crashed it will create a crash dump in /var/crash ... once you can submit a bug for unity8-dash, you can look up the .crash file in the security and privacy settings and point to its ID in the bug
[10:50] <ogra_> you should be fine to reboot ...
[10:51] <brunch875> neat
[10:55] <Se7> lol was looking at /var/crash from terminal and he crashed
[10:55] <brunch875> I just found a cable!
[10:56] <Se7> and terminal app doesn t work now...i got flat battery can be that?
[10:58] <brunch875> what's the procedure to report this?
[10:58] <brunch875> it seems to report automatically... does it?
[11:01] <ogra_> no, it only uploads the crash dump automatically ... it does not file a bug on your behalf or submit any personal info
[11:02] <ogra_> thats up to you to do in a bug reports
[11:02] <ogra_> *report
[11:02] <g105b> My bq aquaris e4.5 takes a good 25 minutes to boot. Always has done. It flashes the bq logo constantly as if in an endless loop, but does eventually boot. How can I fix this?
[11:03] <brunch875> wow, that sure is long
[11:03] <brunch875> did you try a factory reset?
[11:04] <g105b> Yep, tried that, also tried using a recovery image, but I was being guided by someone here rather than following any documentation.
[11:05] <Se7> ogra_, if i understand well the crash report will be automatically send ?
[11:06] <g105b> If I try to flash the phone using `ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=devel --bootstrap` while logged in as root, I get the following error message: mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied (whole transcript here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10694284/)
[11:13] <brunch875> hmmm maybe the device is just defective...
[11:14] <ogra_> Se7, if you didnt deny that in the welcome wizard when setting up your device, yes
[11:14] <ogra_> g105b, logged in as root ???
[11:14] <Se7> tnx
[11:15] <ogra_> Se7, you can turn that off in security and privacy in th settings at any point as well
[11:15] <g105b> ogra_: `echo $USER` root
[11:15] <ogra_> why woould you loug in on *any* ubuntu system as root ?
[11:15] <ogra_> *log
[11:15] <g105b> ogra_: Well I mean sudo -i
[11:15] <ogra_> yes, why ?
[11:16] <ogra_> what do you expect to gain from this ?
[11:16] <g105b> ogra_: because I was getting a permission denied error, and nothing I could do (including being root) would stop it.
[11:16] <g105b> ogra_: because xkcd.com/149/
[11:17] <ogra_> so you use --bootstrap ... that would fail on the locked down recovery ...
[11:18] <g105b> I don't know what --bootstrap does, I'm just following the only bit of documentation I can find at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[11:19] <ogra_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5
[11:20] <ogra_> see the second post
[11:20] <ogra_> and there is no need to ever be root with ubuntu-device-flash ... it doesnt even get tested in that context and might do harmful stuff
[11:23] <g105b> ok I won't
[11:29] <Se7> opened for the first time the clock on bq phone, didn t set up location straight away but i did later with manual mode, the clock still give the message location service error. I enabed location but the message still
[12:19] <brunch875> Ugh... I wonder why SMS still cost money and why MMS are so ridiculously expensive
[12:20] <brunch875> people only use stuff like whatsapp or telegram nowadays
[12:20] <Se7> lol true :)
[12:20] <brunch875> and I bet it's just as expensive for the provider to send SMS
[12:22] <Se7> agree brunch875
[12:23] <brunch875> maybe it's just an obsolete technology
[12:23] <brunch875> I've never studied the mechanics behind SMS
[12:23] <brunch875> but TCP/IP is very reliable
[12:23] <Se7> i never studied at all :P
[12:24] <brunch875> they should probably just migrate the whole SMS stuff into TCP/IP
[12:24] <brunch875> and make it free for people who have an internet connection
[12:48] <AskUbuntu> Permanently disable error reports on Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition | http://askubuntu.com/q/602365
[13:00] <motabhai> is this latest image for  aquarius ? https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel/krillin/version-1.tar.xz ?
[14:10] <dirk_> anybody awake?
[14:10] <popey> maybe
[14:11] <dirk_> got a question about scopes and extending them
[14:12] <dirk_> take the news scope for example, is it possible to add sources to it? besides the default ones that are there now
[14:14] <popey> probably a question for cwayne when he's around, try again during the week, or ask on askubuntu.com
[14:14] <popey> or on the mailing list
[14:15] <popey> quiet here on weekends.
[14:15] <dirk_> ok, i'll give askubuntu a try then
[14:26] <Se7> this is exactly the problem. apps aren't easily proted between those os, so you settle with the mayor players at best (or even just _the_ dominant os).
[14:26] <Se7>  unfortunately the "people" are not buying devices for being "some sort of free-ish"... and if you want to enable others to communicate secure, you have to be where those others are..
[14:26] <Se7> if you only target your own kind of peopfle, i wouldn't be in the mobile world at all ;)
[14:26] <Se7> lol
[14:26] <AskUbuntu> Where is the terminal in Ubuntu Phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602398
[14:26] <AskUbuntu> Extending scopes | http://askubuntu.com/q/602400
[14:27] <Se7> was talking with someone about app fror privacy
[14:29] <popey> haha, flood of answers to that
[14:30] <Se7> lol je all at same time unbelivable
[14:30] <Se7> ye*
[14:33] <popey> quite handy having that bot in here
[14:35] <Se7> yep
[14:52] <AskUbuntu> Youtube on BQ Ubuntu Phone | http://askubuntu.com/q/602424
[14:52] <AskUbuntu> Where is any tuner FM application in bq Aquaris 4,5E ubuntu phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602425
[14:53] <popey> I am willing to bet "you****" does not mean youtube
[14:55] <Se7> lol popey
[15:16] <brunch875> how weird
[15:17] <brunch875> both youtube and youporn work on mine
[15:20] <popey> Se7: you may want to rephrase http://askubuntu.com/questions/602427/privacy-app-for-ubuntu-touch-phone as it isn't actually a question.
[15:23] <Se7> mmmm i ll try :)
[15:27] <popey> (the fact it has no question marks is a clue)
[15:28] <Se7> :)
[15:28] <popey> its still a bit vauge, and might be rejected by the admins.
[15:30] <Se7> mmmmm
[15:30] <Se7> to muck weed :P
[15:31] <Se7> much*
[15:32] <taree> I noticed there is a bug report for the clock app for not having a stopwatch, with the "importance:Undecided -> Wishlist". does anyone here know if that usually means "maybe in the future sometime", or more like "this will happen sometime soon"?
[15:33] <taree> (the clock app claim to have this functionality, but doesnt)
[15:36] <Se7> popey, i did my best now if admin reject i will ask in a different way..
[15:36] <nik90> taree: which bug report are you referring to?
[15:37] <taree> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1437313
[15:37] <nik90> taree: I am just waiting on a design for it. Once I get it, I can start implementing it.
[15:39] <taree> oh sweet. I was thinking of maybe trying to make a simple stopwatch app, but if it's going to be included I'll just wait. thanks
[15:40] <nik90> taree: Wishlist meaning that its planned but still waiting on design or platform support
[15:42] <ogra_> who needs a stopwatch anyway
[15:42]  * ogra_ wants an egg timer instead 
[15:42] <ogra_> P
[15:43] <nik90> ogra_: seems like you and Martin Pitt really want the timer back https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1427566
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah
[15:43] <nik90> ogra_: wave your magic wand at the design team and get me the design :P
[15:44] <ogra_> haha
[15:44] <ogra_> if only i had one
[15:45] <nik90> ogra_: clock app doesn't have a designer.so most likely the priority for this is low atm. So I cant give a ETA.
[15:45] <ogra_> hmm, so if i have an app ... and the url-dispatcher wants to talk to the already running app, how do i get the data from the url dispatcher
[15:46] <ogra_> (in my app)
[15:46] <ogra_> is there any global property i can query or some such ?
[15:46] <nik90> ogra_: I thought there was a urihandler component provided by the sdk which one can you to get the data from the url dispatcher?
[15:47]  * nik90 looks for the docs
[15:47] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/URLDispatcher doesnt really talk about the receiver side
[15:47] <ogra_> only about the calling one
[15:48] <nik90> ogra_: check out https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.UriHandler/
[15:48] <nik90> it could be what you want
[15:49] <ogra_> hmm, trying
[15:51] <ogra_> nik90, cool ! thats it, thanks
[15:55] <nik90> ogra_: yw
[15:57] <taree> random question while I'm here, is it problematic to use licenses that aren't listed in the DFSG? for example public domain and very permissive licenses?
[15:58] <ogra_> taree, do you mean in an ap in the store ?
[15:59] <ogra_> *app
[15:59] <taree> yes, sorry I should have specified that.
[15:59] <ogra_> thats totally up to you
[15:59] <ogra_> the store doesnt expect any license, you can make your app totally free or totally closed
[16:01] <taree> oh, I see, I thought it was open source only for some reason
[16:01] <ogra_> nah, we want big game companies to provide apps as much as we want opensource devs to do that :)
[16:09] <nik90> Elleo: the web store https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/ now lists Podbird as an essential app to have :) .. as a result we have been getting quite some reviews since the past few days
[16:12]  * DanChapman is yet to try out podbird and downloads it now
[16:14] <popey> \o/
[16:14] <popey> podbird is one of my most-used apps
[16:16] <DanChapman> it's rather nice
[16:17] <nik90> DanChapman, popey: The next release should bring theming support, translations, auto-delete of old episodes, haptic feedback.
[16:19] <popey> \o/
[16:19] <popey> sd card support would be nice :)
[16:19]  * popey looks at his 32GB SD Card
[16:20] <nik90> I don't the app armor allows for that though popey (as much as podbird wants to use it)
[16:20] <popey> you can use read_file and write_file though
[16:21] <nik90> really? hmm I wasn't aware of that
[16:21] <popey> forces manual review of the app when you submit to the store, is the downside
[16:22] <DanChapman> nik90: beru has an example of it https://github.com/rschroll/beru/blob/master/apparmor/beru.access.json
[16:23] <nik90> popey, DanChapman: thnx. I will look into that. SD card support would indeed be awesome.
[16:43] <ilario> Hi! Is there a webpage with suggested apps? (I mean, apps that quite everyone needs, like uTorch)
[16:57] <OerHeks> ilario, this page https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps maybe ? >> https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps?q=utorch
[17:01] <ilario> thanks OerHeks , that link seems really useful https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps?sort=-points
[17:02] <OerHeks> oke, have fun!
[17:06] <DonkeyHotei> popey: what do you make of this?
[17:06] <DonkeyHotei> Mar 27 14:38:58 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 9600.639471] msm_vidc: 4: Opening video instance: e8a40000, 1
[17:06] <DonkeyHotei> Mar 27 14:38:58 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 9600.728244] pil_venus fdce0000.qcom,venus: venus: Brought out of reset
[17:06] <DonkeyHotei> Mar 27 14:38:58 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 9600.760662] msm_vidc: 1: State not recognized
[17:06] <DonkeyHotei> Mar 27 14:38:58 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 9600.760755] msm_vidc: 1: Failed to move from state: 2 to 16
[17:07] <ilario> regarding "cellular data": by default it is on, but I would suggest to set that to off by default (I've lost some euros before noticing that it was on...)
[17:28] <juzzlin> What's the default orientation in Ubuntu Touch? I mean if I port my Qt OpenGL game to Ubuntu Touch will it appear in the landscape mode by default like on Android?
[17:35] <popey> juzzlin: pretty sure you can detect it and force one orientation or the other
[17:35] <popey> look at MvM in the store, it forces you to turn the phone landscape
[17:36] <juzzlin> For example in Sailfish the application itself has to transform all input events and graphics from portrait to landscape and I think that's insane. So far my experience has been that those platforms that actually use Qt are the hardest to develop for in Qt (something other that Twitter and RSS clients) :)
[17:37] <DonkeyHotei> popey: this is what happens when i try to play a video http://paste.ubuntu.com/10696198/
[17:48] <popey> juzzlin: ask mzanetti - he made MvM so he'd know
[17:48] <popey> DonkeyHotei: what device?
[17:50] <popey> hmm, wonder why ssh no longer works to my phone
[17:50] <DonkeyHotei> hammerhead
[17:50] <popey> DonkeyHotei: no idea, sorry
[17:51] <DonkeyHotei> popey: it's looking like it's trying to talk to the kernel and the kernel doesn't understand
[17:52] <popey> Mar 28 17:52:16 ubuntu-phablet sshd[9245]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key
[17:52] <popey> Mar 28 17:52:16 ubuntu-phablet sshd[9245]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key
[17:52] <popey> well that looks odd
[17:53]  * popey regenerates keys
[18:05] <ilario> is there a way to import address book from the SIMs?
[18:21] <ilario> what's the point to have an active brightness slider when the "adjust automatically brightness" is active? (in such a case the slider has no effect)
[18:35] <bala> hi
[18:35] <bala> is there one
[18:58] <mzanetti> juzzlin, standard orientation is portrait and right now the app will rotate when the device is rotated (including input)
[18:59] <mzanetti> juzzlin, if you want landscape only, right now you'll probably run into the same problem as on sailfish
[18:59] <mzanetti> juzzlin, however, there's a bunch of branches waiting to land which greatly enhance the rotation experience for app developers
[19:00] <mzanetti> you'll be able to specify supported orientations in the app's .desktop file and the app will start up in that orientation, including rotated input
[19:01] <juzzlin> mzanetti, that sounds great :)
[19:01] <mzanetti> not sure when it'll land in trunk though. probably soon after 15.04 is released and trunk is open for features again
[19:01] <mzanetti> juzzlin, if you want to get started with that now, there is a silo with all those branches. obviously it's a moving target right now so you'll hit issues until it is released
[19:03] <juzzlin> yeah, I guess I can wait a bit more :)
[19:04] <mzanetti> juzzlin, so right now you can start with development and just ignore the fact that that app rotates to portrait. and at some point in the future you'll just set one property and it'll be locked to landscape
[19:07] <juzzlin> mzanetti, I'm still developing the application for desktop anyway. Btw...will OpenGL work on Ubuntu touch via Qt5 without any QML stuff?
[19:08] <mzanetti> juzzlin, yes
[19:08] <juzzlin> great
[19:15] <Vacuity> depri
[19:36] <Dragonkeeper> hey guys
[19:56] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Phone BQ Aquaris E4.5 USB Problem | http://askubuntu.com/q/602488
[20:08] <brunch875> my woman grabbed me to go shopping with the promise of a new keyboard
[20:08] <brunch875> my mother used to get me games if I went shopping with her
[20:08] <brunch875> some things never change
[20:08] <CereS> Hi i'm havin problem wit the sound on nexus 4 (ubuntu r153) it doesnt play any only says "the phone is in silent mode"
[20:16] <faenil> nemo
[20:16] <faenil> oops
[20:34] <vgrade> faenil: :)
[20:37] <faenil> vgrade: :D heart kicks some times :D
[20:40] <vgrade> faenil: took delivery of a bq this week so having a look around inside
[20:48] <Dragonkeeper> AskUbuntu: usb function ? usb port works. i use otg alot .
[20:50] <Dragonkeeper> AskUbuntu: and the storage shows up when i plug phone into ubuntu desktop
[20:50] <faenil> vgrade: oh cool :)
[20:52] <Dragonkeeper> CereS: tried pulling  notifications bar down , going to sound tab and unticking slient mode ?
[22:43] <adrian47> I downloaded newest preinstalled, and now wifi doesn't work with my port.
[22:46] <Dragonkeeper> define 'doesnt work'
[22:48] <adrian47> I can turn it on, but it isn't finding any networks
[22:49] <adrian47> with rtm, the same image works (tested 20mins ago)
[22:52] <Talustus> rsalveti u are arround?
[22:52] <adrian47> Adding my network as 'Hidden Network' works
[23:02] <adrian47> oh, maybe bad alarm, flap (?) wasn't properly mounted as i see, I will try again in a second, sorry
[23:03] <adrian47> flap with wifi antenna...
[23:11] <adrian47> yes, it works, sorry again
[23:12] <Dragonkeeper> my apparmor looks like its denying requests
[23:18] <adrian47> As I see now, newest preinstalled doesn't hang/freeze system (my before problem) when activating developer mode, but connecting by ssh or adb still do it...
[23:21] <adrian47> Anyone know what was changed with developre mode? Maybe this can fix my problems
[23:24] <ogra_> developer mode hasnt changed in 2 or 3 months
[23:30] <adrian47> interesting, I will try with RTM again, maybe i have fixed something? :)