[06:52] <studio-user219-j> hello
[18:22] <delt> Hello
[18:22] <delt> there seems to be a bug with the mount option "x-gvfs-show"
[18:22] <delt> if i add x-gvfs-show to my /etc/fstab's cdrom line (so it shows up in XFCE) i can no longer mount it.
[18:23] <holstein> ?
[18:23] <holstein> you are trying to mount fstab?
[18:24] <holstein> you shouldnt need to do anything to mount an optical drive.. it should "just work"..
[18:24] <holstein> you dont need to add anything to fstab for that..
[18:24] <ObrienDave> *lurks*
[18:26] <delt> holstein: except it mounts to /media/(whatever name the volume has) ...i want it under /cdrom
[18:26] <holstein> delt: cool.. im sure you can get specifics on that in #ubuntu or #xubuntu
[18:27] <holstein> otherwise, i dont think its a "bug" you are dealing with
[18:27] <holstein> you might want to searh 'change default path of automatically mounted volumes xfce'
[18:28] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/214646/how-to-configure-the-default-automount-location
[18:28] <holstein> "you can tell udisks2 to automount in /media/ instead of /media/[username]/ by adding a udev rule that sets the environment..." or whatever the modern equivalent would be
[18:31] <delt> holstein: thanks for the info.
[18:35] <arnygrape> Anyone available to help setting up an USB Mic to play live through speakers?
[18:35] <holstein> i would plug the mic in, and test it like a normal audio device
[18:35] <holstein> !audio
[18:35] <holstein> then, i would stop jack, and use pulseaudio to route the mic to the audio device im using
[18:35] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[18:36] <arnygrape> I should stop Jack?
[18:36] <delt> or, if you're using jack, you can use qjackctl (or other jack gui) to connect the system input to the system output
[18:36] <delt> that way you'll hear the mic through the speakers
[18:37] <arnygrape> I tried the qjackctl and found system input and connected to both the system output 1 and 2 and neither seemed to come through
[18:37] <delt> then the sound card to which the mic is connected probably has another port than "mic" selected as input device
[18:37] <holstein> arnygrape: you dont need jack to faciliate what you are tryihng to do, so, sure.. stop jack, and use the pulse audio tool to route what you are tyring to route
[18:37] <holstein> arnygrape: qjackctl doesnt *easily* allow you to route devices to each other
[18:37] <delt> or that =)
[18:38] <holstein> arnygrape: you *can*, for example, have jack using one device, and pulse on the other, and use the included pulse to jack dbux to route.. but why?
[18:38] <arnygrape> ok.  I'll stop Jack and try pulseaudio.
[18:38] <holstein> if you literally just want to hear the mic through your speakers, stop jack, and use pavucontrol to easily route those sources
[18:39] <arnygrape> and how do you route in pavucontrol?
[18:39] <delt> personally i have pulseaudio as a jack client. a bit more overhead, but no more hassles about alsa vs. jack vs. pulseaudio
[18:39] <delt> everything just works.
[18:39] <holstein> arnygrape: in the GUI, you select what you want to route where.. try loading and using the tool, and see if it does what you need
[18:39] <delt> but yeah, if you don't need jack, you can avoid using it.
[18:39] <holstein> arnygrape: again, the process for me is, plug the mic in, test it as an audio device
[18:39] <holstein> !audio
[18:40] <holstein> ^ using a terminal, running "arecord -l" to see that alsa "sees" the device
[18:40] <holstein> then, i try simiply routing it to something.. i might use pavucontrol to route the mic to audacity for example, and see if i can record something
[18:41] <holstein> *then*, i use something like vlc or *any* player to play a known good simple audio file and route that to my other audio device with pavucontrol
[18:41] <delt> yeah what holstein said, that's probably the simplest way
[18:41] <holstein> *then*, i use the same pavucontrol to route the mic to the same output source i tested above ^
[18:41] <arnygrape> I can record in audacity
[18:41] <arnygrape> and can hear my recording
[18:41] <holstein> *great*!
[18:42] <delt> now you just need to route the mic to the output
[18:42] <holstein> so, you can use pavucontrol to route those sources, or, use "monitoring" from audacity..
[18:42] <holstein> or, the dbus, if you need JACK
[18:42] <arnygrape> ok.  and to stop jack it's just killall -9 jackd correct?
[18:42] <holstein> arnygrape: why?
[18:42] <holstein> arnygrape: why not just hit the stop button in qjackctl?
[18:43] <arnygrape> that is all i need to stop jack?  doesn't run in the background
[18:43] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/123798/how-to-hear-my-voice-in-speakers-with-a-mic
[18:43] <holstein> arnygrape: no
[18:43] <delt> not when you stopped it
[18:45] <arnygrape> Ok.  In pavucontrol where exactly do I select to "route" something to my speakers?
[18:46] <arnygrape> I see my microphone and it has the little bar that goes up and down when i talk
[18:46] <arnygrape> in my output tab, i've got quite a few choices
[18:46] <holstein> cool
[18:46] <holstein> thats where i would start, or follow http://askubuntu.com/questions/123798/how-to-hear-my-voice-in-speakers-with-a-mic
[18:46] <arnygrape> pactl load-module module-loopback latency_msec=1  - - - if i do this as the forum suggests i have a lot of latency
[18:47] <holstein> it references, specifically, pavucontrol and doing *exactly* what you are trying to do
[18:47] <holstein> arnygrape: sure.. you should have latency
[18:47] <arnygrape> i tried that on normal ubuntu, so installed ubuntu studio hoping to avoid the latency
[18:47] <holstein> its a USB device
[18:47] <holstein> nothing you are going to do is going to decrease that latency
[18:47] <holstein> its just not the intention of that device to be used that way
[18:47] <arnygrape> ahh.  so there is my issues.  no matter what i'm going to have latency
[18:47] <holstein> live
[18:47] <holstein> well, im not saying "no matter what"
[18:48] <arnygrape> well within my knowledge/abilities
[18:48] <holstein> im just saying, we are not talking about addressing that
[18:48] <holstein> what would i do? load up a live iso and experiement where i know i wont permanently "break" any settings
[18:48] <arnygrape> I dual booted, so not concerned if i break ubuntu studio
[18:48] <holstein> i would try the pulse dbus with jack running, and see if thats "better", though, its not likely going to be
[18:48] <holstein> sure.. do what you like
[18:48] <holstein> its just that, its not so much about "breaking" it
[18:49] <holstein> its more about easily reverting when you *do* break it, and being able to test again, easliy and quickly
[18:49] <arnygrape> i see.
[18:49] <holstein> the main issue here is, no where on any of the packaging did any company say "sure, plug this into ubuntu and enjoy full support"
[18:49] <holstein> so, for me, the 'best' path is being able to freely test *many* and hopefullly *all* options
[18:50] <delt> arnygrape: you could get a normal mic which you can plug into your sound card... i think that would be easier to setup, and would have no latency
[18:50] <holstein> ^
[18:50] <holstein> yup.. using multiple audio devices is always a bit of a challenge, and a hit in performance
[18:51] <arnygrape> I agree. delt.  I wasn't initially planning on live sound with the mic, but after recording, i figured i would give that a shot.  Then, of course, when I couldn't get it to work, I just kept trying futilely.
[18:51] <arnygrape> I should have just went with a normal mic.
[18:51] <holstein> well, you *are* getting live sound
[18:51] <holstein> you just want lower latency
[18:51] <arnygrape> yes
[18:51] <holstein> so, you can try addressing that specific need, and see how you do
[18:52] <holstein> before you were asking how to get the mic to come through the speakers..
[18:52] <delt> ok, gotta go... cya all, and good luck arnygrape
[18:52] <arnygrape> I know.  I wasn't clear in my issue.
[18:52] <arnygrape> Thanks for the help delt
[18:52] <holstein> have you tried with jack? with the pulse audio bridge? have you tried without jack? have you tried with 15.04? have you tried with an RT kernel? have you tried with a generic kernel?
[18:52] <holstein> etc..
[18:52] <holstein> there are *many* things you can try
[18:53] <holstein> thats why i like to use live iso's, so i can be nimble, and quickly get back to "stock"
[18:53] <arnygrape> I have the low-latency kernel.  I tried jack but I don't think I know enough about it yet to figure out bridging pulse audio and such
[18:53] <holstein> sure, but the low-latency is just that.. i have actually found that a newer generic kernel supported one usb device "best" on my system
[18:53] <holstein> and, i have found lower latency with alsa only.. and, sometimes, with pulse only.. etc
[18:54] <arnygrape> i think i'll give up the pursuit of this and get a regular mic at some point
[18:54] <holstein> sure.. or just dont route it to the speakers
[18:54] <arnygrape> Thank you for straightening me out though and helping me see my real problem
[18:54] <holstein> sure.. good luck.. its can be a challenging troubleshooting step in the supported operating systems..
[18:55] <arnygrape> I had grand ideas about installing ubuntu studio and opening a few programs and magically the sound would come through clear and low-latency
[18:55] <holstein> lol
[18:55] <holstein> yup, and if the creators of the hardware wanted, they can make that a reality, for sure
[18:56] <arnygrape> At least I have ubuntu studio installed now.  I can dink around with that on videos and pics.
[18:56] <arnygrape> not sure it is any better
[18:57] <arnygrape> but something "different"
[18:57] <arnygrape> and I haven't been on mIRC in about 15 years, so there was another bonus
[18:57] <arnygrape> not even sure of dal.net still exists
[18:57] <arnygrape> oh, yup there it is
[18:58] <holstein> "better" is always a matter of opinion and use case
[18:59] <arnygrape> Thanks again for the time. Have a good day.
[19:00] <holstein> arnygrape: sure.. good luck!
[19:00] <holstein> im sure, you'll sort something out.. usb hardware is typically "class compliant" and just works with linux
[22:53] <basano> Hi
[22:53] <basano> Is there a getting started guide available?