| elfy | published b2 post | 09:42 |
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| elfy | fiddled with the widget too | 09:47 |
| elfy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer | 10:32 |
| elfy | so in that really easy to edit page - something needs to be noted against rhythmbox - no simple way to add multiple libraries | 10:33 |
| elfy | banshee's the same - only one source, but can import from multiple places | 10:42 |
| brainvvash | why is Banshee even considered? it pulls in additional libraries (mono) | 10:48 |
| elfy | no idea - it's just on the list | 10:48 |
| brainvvash | ali1234, what about quod libet? | 10:51 |
| elfy | right - added note re rhythmbox - and quod libet ;) | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | elfy: thanks, I did have a look at the post before, and it seemed fine | 11:52 |
| elfy | bluesabre: okey doke :) | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | flexiondotorg: I'll review the patch, was just wondering if when you applied the patch and installed if it fixed the white screen issue for you | 11:53 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: can take a look now | 11:53 |
| bluesabre | also, morning folks! | 11:53 |
| elfy | :) | 11:53 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 11:58 |
| bluesabre | hey Unit193 | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: noticed that there are identical patches 02_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch and 03_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch in -session | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | only 03 is active in series, so not that big of a deal, but interesting | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | the patches folder is kind of messy in upstream debian :) | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | but other than that, things look ok | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | I'll test and upload when I get back in a few hours | 13:17 |
| bluesabre | also, slickymaster ochosi I saw that we need a new xubuntu-default-settings | 13:19 |
| bluesabre | I'll land a new package for that tomorrow, so if we have anything else that needs to go in, let me know | 13:19 |
| ali1234 | because banshee is an example of a music player that has an intuitive ui where (nearly) everything works | 13:59 |
| ali1234 | whatever we ship should be at least as good as it, or rhythmbox | 14:00 |
| knome | subjective. | 14:00 |
| elfy | of course it's subjective | 14:01 |
| knome | some things aren't, and those are the things we're actually wanting to compare | 14:01 |
| knome | at least at this point | 14:01 |
| ali1234 | having things actually work is not subjective | 14:01 |
| knome | you can't do a comparison where the goal is to match some subjective "bestness" | 14:01 |
| ali1234 | they either work or they dont | 14:01 |
| knome | sure. whether those features (or "things that work") are desirable, is a different thing | 14:02 |
| ali1234 | no, if the user interface is littered with buttons and menus which don't work properly or don't do anything at all, then the interface is not intuitive | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | again, not subjective | 14:05 |
| knome | oookay. | 14:05 |
| knome | what ever. | 14:05 |
| knome | really. | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | elfy: what is "multiple libraries" exactly? | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | do you mean like multiple directories merged in to one library? | 14:09 |
| elfy | ali1234: I've got music in more than one partition | 14:09 |
| elfy | you 'used' to be able to fiddle in dconf/gconf-editior to add extra's - -but that failed here this morning | 14:09 |
| elfy | and even if you can - not particularly userfriendly procedure | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | right, banshee and rhythmbox can only watch one directory, but you can add as many as you want | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | and it doesn't copy by default | 14:10 |
| elfy | ali1234: I has /mnt/music and /mnt/music2, could only have one in rhythmbox (and I think banshee) | 14:11 |
| elfy | rest let you have whatever you want | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | you can add both but it will only automatically watch one for changes | 14:12 |
| elfy | ali1234: not this morning I couldn't | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | in rhythmbox, file->add music and don't tick "copy files" | 14:13 |
| elfy | mmm | 14:13 |
| elfy | wouldn't have looked at that as the right option | 14:13 |
| elfy | anyway - thanks :) | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | in banshee it's media->import media | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | and the "don't copy" option is in the settings, off by default | 14:14 |
| elfy | right | 14:14 |
| elfy | previously (and I mean last time I used it) you could multiple libraries in rhythmbox | 14:15 |
| elfy | but had to gconf or something | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | yeah i vaguely remember that too | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | elfy: works for me on vivid. dconf-editor, org.gnome.rhythmbox.rhythmdb.locations | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | then in preferences tick "watch my library for new files" (should be on by default imo) | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | and it even says "multiple locations set" in the text field | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | would be nice if there was a gui for this, but it does work | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | quod libet seems really good | 14:29 |
| ali1234 | even "jump to playing song" works | 14:32 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't show up in the indicator though :( | 14:33 |
| brainvvash | enable the mpris plugin | 14:34 |
| brainvvash | it really has many plugins. I was really surprised | 14:35 |
| ali1234 | lots of plugins as well i see | 14:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah. i assume we could enable mpris by default? | 14:35 |
| ali1234 | "The XFCE netinstall disk image provided by the Debian project installs Quod Libet as the default music program." | 14:37 |
| brainvvash | https://github.com/quodlibet/quodlibet/issues/1493 | 14:39 |
| ali1234 | i could take a look at that | 14:40 |
| brainvvash | I guess ubuntu could add a patch to enable it by default | 14:43 |
| elfy | ali1234: aah yes - that's the one | 14:50 |
| elfy | slow ... 9 minutes and it's dealt with 27 days of 135 days | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | 135 days playing time? | 15:02 |
| ali1234 | 5 days imported too fast for me to even see it happen | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | not enough space in the VM for more than that, but i can try it on 14.04 | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | in 14.04 it does not appear to have a progress indicator | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | 24 days 24 minutes, import time ~1 minute | 15:07 |
| drc | ali1234: Why are you looking at old versions? I thought the purpose of this exercise was to evaluate players for default inclusion in the future 15.10/W? | 15:08 |
| ali1234 | because my VM can only fit about 5 days of mp3s | 15:08 |
| ali1234 | so i can't test import speed in it | 15:08 |
| ali1234 | if the version in 15.04 is really an order of magnitude slower then it is a regression | 15:08 |
| * drc gives up on this, it's not a subjective evaluation, it's a "I want this one" evaluation. | 15:09 | |
| elfy | mmm - got to 40 days | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | funny how all the people claiming "this isn;t subjective!" all seem to have already picked a player that they want | 15:10 |
| drc | yeah, but we're not running the "subjective" evaluation. | 15:10 |
| ali1234 | and i've said all along that i have no preference other than NOT gmusicbrowser | 15:10 |
| elfy | my preference isn't ever going to get on the list | 15:11 |
| elfy | anyway - off for a bit now | 15:11 |
| drc | neither is mine | 15:11 |
| drc | Anyway, I'm going to just shut up on this subject. | 15:12 |
| ali1234 | later i'll set up a real test on some other hardware | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | what would you consider to be a "large" library anyway? | 15:15 |
| elfy | ali1234: >1Tb | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | well i can't test that, i don't have that much disk space in my computer | 15:43 |
| elfy | I could test it | 15:43 |
| elfy | but I've not got that much here, was just responding to what I'd consider large | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | i would consider 100GB to be large | 15:44 |
| elfy | I guess some people would consider mine to be large | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | how big is the biggest ipod these days? | 15:45 |
| elfy | no idea without asking google | 15:45 |
| elfy | 64Gb apparently | 15:46 |
| elfy | 2 partitions here - 194G and 518G - can test with one of those if we're after time to deal with large library | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | is initial import time really a big problem? | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | i mean you only have to do it once | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | as long as it does work quickly after you've imported... | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | otoh if we're going to test the latter then we might as well time how long the import takes as well | 15:52 |
| elfy | no - not for me it's not at all, that's the same as how long to boot a machine if you run a server :) | 15:52 |
| ali1234 | yeah. or how long the installer takes :) | 15:52 |
| elfy | I don't mind - I'm happy enough to get the data | 15:52 |
| elfy | yep :) | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | well i'll do a small scale test with my 50GB library on a slow netbook with a slow spinning disk | 15:53 |
| elfy | ok - let me know if you want anything | 15:54 |
| Unit193 | Cookies? | 15:55 |
| zequence | Sugary things that taste good? | 15:59 |
| elfy | they'd be green by the time they arrived Unit193 :( | 15:59 |
| elfy | hi zequence :) | 15:59 |
| zequence | Hi elfy | 16:00 |
| zequence | Ayone got a ubuntu phone yet? | 16:01 |
| elfy | nope | 16:01 |
| zequence | Maybe it's better just to get a device and install your own thing | 16:01 |
| zequence | elfy: How's Xubuntu doing? | 16:02 |
| elfy | pretty good all in all :) | 16:02 |
| zequence | elfy: How's England doing (hope I'm aiming right, geographically) | 16:04 |
| zequence | ? | 16:04 |
| elfy | yep | 16:04 |
| elfy | you aimed right - currently damp and dismal | 16:04 |
| zequence | dismal is right with us nordic people | 16:05 |
| zequence | It just sets the right mood for anything | 16:05 |
| elfy | ha ha | 16:05 |
| zequence | joking, of course | 16:05 |
| zequence | Seems that the differences between different DEs is growing somewhat larger now | 16:07 |
| zequence | Sorry for being so late in the discussion | 16:08 |
| zequence | I think I noticed it before, but never saw it as a problem, or whatever you would prefer to call itr | 16:09 |
| zequence | elfy: You listen to doom metal at any time? | 16:10 |
| zequence | I believe some of the best doom metal bands are from England | 16:11 |
| zequence | Speaking about dismal | 16:11 |
| zequence | I love it | 16:11 |
| zequence | elfy: You ever listen to doom metal? | 16:25 |
| zequence | Sorry, I'm on the wrong channel. | 16:25 |
| zequence | I actually though I was on the other one. Sorry, again | 16:26 |
| krytarik | slickymaster: Just did an MP for the docs with all the changes except the general credits one, as agreed upon. | 16:45 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, Since you have xubuntu ppa rights, would you mind packaging xfburn from upstream git? | 20:02 |
| gnumbknuts | ali1234: I have been following the conversation about audio players, and have to say that I am in agreement with you in that the UIs are not intuitive. Also, it happened that I was using the same layout as you in GMB, the Exaile layout, which prompted me to install Exaile. I like this player for its file browser ability; and, of course, that it can play wav(PCM) format. | 20:03 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: Umm, what for? It's kind of early WIP. | 20:13 |
| Noskcaj | testing and crap. Can you copy it if i package it? | 20:13 |
| Noskcaj | Also, do we know when the next round of 4.12 point releases is coming? If not i might backport a few commits | 20:15 |
| gnumbknuts | Vivid-β2.iso and usb-creator-gtk is still plagued by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1325801 . In particular, comment #105 mentions the Xubuntu iso ; is there any solution of this problems in the pipe line ? | 20:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1325801 in Ubuntu CD Images "failed to boot from USB disk with error: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R Image boot:" [Undecided,In progress] | 20:24 |
| Noskcaj | gnumbknuts, looks like it's fixed in vivid, being fixed in other releases soon | 20:26 |
| gnumbknuts | ubottu: you must be psychic , twice this has happened ;) | 20:27 |
| ubottu | gnumbknuts: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 20:27 |
| Unit193 | ubottu is a bot | 20:27 |
| ubottu | Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots for all information. | 20:27 |
| gnumbknuts | Unit193: thanks, I couldn't workout how somebody could reply so fast . | 20:35 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 20:35 |
| gnumbknuts | Noskcaj: I tried a forced install, into trusty1404.2, of the utopic and vivid update versions of usb-creator, and then ran the programs; neither of them worked. I still had to copy my system version of gfcboot.c32(23kB) on to the usb-stick for it to work. | 20:42 |
| slickymaster | knome, the MP is here -> | 21:58 |
| slickymaster | https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/xubuntu-docs/patches/+merge/254485 | 21:58 |
| slickymaster | I'll wait you're input before merging it | 21:59 |
| knome | your | 21:59 |
| knome | :P | 21:59 |
| slickymaster | bah it's saturday | 21:59 |
| knome | hah | 21:59 |
| slickymaster | we're allowed to mistype | 21:59 |
| slickymaster | since we understand each other | 22:00 |
| knome | krytarik, commented MP | 22:02 |
| xkaue | Just want to thank the Xubuntu developers for the awesome work. Xubuntu is my favorite distro, fast, stable and pretty. Thank you very much. | 22:53 |
| knome | xkaue, you're welcome, and glad to hear you like it! | 22:55 |
| slickymaster | so, knome, krytarik, Unit193, ftr, you agree with changing Ubuntu Documentation Project <ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com> into Xubuntu Team <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> in the docs make file? | 22:57 |
| knome | slickymaster, ack | 22:58 |
| krytarik | Well, yep. | 22:58 |
| slickymaster | Unit193!!!! | 22:58 |
| Unit193 | I'm oppressed! | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | ahhaha | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | I'll consider that as a yes | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | knome, waht about your doubt about the actual output of the cross references now? | 23:00 |
| slickymaster | krytarik: ^^^ | 23:00 |
| knome | i just remember krytarik wanted to shorten the output, and i'm not sure if it works in all situations in all places | 23:00 |
| Unit193 | Oh you mean that silly "The section called" stuff? | 23:01 |
| krytarik | knome: It does. | 23:01 |
| knome | krytarik, in english? but in finnish? | 23:01 |
| krytarik | Unit193: Yep, that. | 23:01 |
| slickymaster | lol | 23:01 |
| krytarik | knome: Across all languages, yes. | 23:02 |
| * slickymaster enjoys the readiness state of mind krytarik holds | 23:02 | |
| knome | krytarik, technically or language-wise? how well do you know finnish? | 23:02 |
| knome | :) | 23:02 |
| krytarik | Technically, of course. ;P | 23:02 |
| slickymaster | he's nitpicking krytarik | 23:03 |
| knome | slickymaster, actually, i'm not | 23:03 |
| slickymaster | I know knome | 23:03 |
| knome | what i mean is that if we change the way crossreferences are output | 23:03 |
| knome | that changes how the text reads | 23:03 |
| knome | and it might make the text unnatural | 23:03 |
| slickymaster | also know that | 23:03 |
| knome | so as i said before, i'm fine making the crossreferences shorter on lists | 23:03 |
| slickymaster | but I'm assuming that krytarik had that factor in mind | 23:03 |
| knome | but not completely sure about paragraph and adminition text | 23:04 |
| knome | krytarik, so did you? or does that change affect all crossreferences? | 23:04 |
| slickymaster | adminition? | 23:04 |
| knome | note, warning, etx | 23:04 |
| knome | *etc | 23:04 |
| knome | admonition really :P | 23:04 |
| * slickymaster didn't want to say anything | 23:05 | |
| slickymaster | ;) | 23:05 |
| knome | hah | 23:05 |
| slickymaster | lol | 23:05 |
| krytarik | knome: Like I said, everywhere, every language. | 23:05 |
| knome | but i'm not sure i agree with that change. | 23:05 |
| knome | in that magnitude... | 23:05 |
| knome | as i told you before :P | 23:05 |
| slickymaster | it's something easilly reverted if we do see/think it's necessary knome | 23:06 |
| slickymaster | at any point in time | 23:07 |
| knome | but the thing is, i know it's a mistake already | 23:07 |
| knome | :) | 23:07 |
| slickymaster | well, I don't want to make a merge of something that part of team isn't comfortable with | 23:08 |
| knome | i understand the inconsistency issue krytarik mentions | 23:08 |
| knome | and the issue with the lists where "the section ..." is repeated again and again | 23:09 |
| knome | and i think that deserves a change | 23:09 |
| slickymaster | that's the main reason I'm +1 on krytarik's proposal knome | 23:09 |
| knome | sure, but that should be limited to lists | 23:10 |
| slickymaster | so knome, if we don't go with krytarik's option, what would be your suggestion? | 23:25 |
| knome | make the change only affect crossreferences in lists | 23:25 |
| slickymaster | krytarik, what do you think? ^^^ | 23:26 |
| krytarik | knome, slickymaster: I just checked the Finnish version, and the only difference there between now and my suggestion would be dropped quotation marks - so I guess that'd work for me too. :P | 23:26 |
| slickymaster | great | 23:27 |
| knome | krytarik, wait | 23:27 |
| knome | krytarik, are you saying your proposal does not affect crossreferences in paragraph text at all then? | 23:27 |
| knome | krytarik, or the only difference in addition to that? | 23:27 |
| krytarik | Hah? I'm saying my primary target is to drop the "section called" addition, everywhere. | 23:28 |
| knome | right | 23:29 |
| Unit193 | left | 23:29 |
| knome | and you would be ok that it would only be dropped from lists? | 23:29 |
| krytarik | No, because that make it inconsistent between the original version and the translations. | 23:30 |
| krytarik | * makes | 23:30 |
| knome | so what are you actually agreeing with then? | 23:30 |
| krytarik | To not drop *every* addition, incl. quotation marks. | 23:30 |
| knome | but that's not what i said :D | 23:31 |
| krytarik | However, that'd still leave them inconsistent towards the other links, of course. | 23:31 |
| knome | hmpf | 23:31 |
| knome | let me check the finnish translation. | 23:31 |
| knome | krytarik, no, it doesn't sound right | 23:36 |
| knome | i guess i got to sleep on it though | 23:36 |
| knome | krytarik, why does the list on the front page say "Chapter X"? | 23:37 |
| krytarik | knome: I guess because those are chapters, rather than sections. :P | 23:40 |
| krytarik | That is, automagically. | 23:40 |
| knome | okay | 23:45 |
| knome | krytarik, what about the consistency on guide-default-apps.html#default-media ? | 23:47 |
| krytarik | knome: If you mean to indicate you want the "Chapter" stuff removed too then - I just tried it, and it works just the same. | 23:52 |
| knome | krytarik, no, i'm just questioning your path to consistency :P | 23:53 |
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