[09:42] published b2 post [09:47] fiddled with the widget too [10:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer [10:33] so in that really easy to edit page - something needs to be noted against rhythmbox - no simple way to add multiple libraries [10:42] banshee's the same - only one source, but can import from multiple places [10:48] why is Banshee even considered? it pulls in additional libraries (mono) [10:48] no idea - it's just on the list [10:51] ali1234, what about quod libet? [11:02] right - added note re rhythmbox - and quod libet ;) [11:52] elfy: thanks, I did have a look at the post before, and it seemed fine [11:52] bluesabre: okey doke :) [11:53] flexiondotorg: I'll review the patch, was just wondering if when you applied the patch and installed if it fixed the white screen issue for you [11:53] Noskcaj: can take a look now [11:53] also, morning folks! [11:53] :) [11:58] Howdy. [12:05] hey Unit193 [12:07] Noskcaj: noticed that there are identical patches 02_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch and 03_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch in -session [12:09] only 03 is active in series, so not that big of a deal, but interesting [12:16] the patches folder is kind of messy in upstream debian :) [12:16] but other than that, things look ok [13:17] I'll test and upload when I get back in a few hours [13:19] also, slickymaster ochosi I saw that we need a new xubuntu-default-settings [13:19] I'll land a new package for that tomorrow, so if we have anything else that needs to go in, let me know [13:59] because banshee is an example of a music player that has an intuitive ui where (nearly) everything works [14:00] whatever we ship should be at least as good as it, or rhythmbox [14:00] subjective. [14:01] of course it's subjective [14:01] some things aren't, and those are the things we're actually wanting to compare [14:01] at least at this point [14:01] having things actually work is not subjective [14:01] you can't do a comparison where the goal is to match some subjective "bestness" [14:01] they either work or they dont [14:02] sure. whether those features (or "things that work") are desirable, is a different thing [14:05] no, if the user interface is littered with buttons and menus which don't work properly or don't do anything at all, then the interface is not intuitive [14:05] again, not subjective [14:05] oookay. [14:05] what ever. [14:05] really. [14:07] elfy: what is "multiple libraries" exactly? [14:09] do you mean like multiple directories merged in to one library? [14:09] ali1234: I've got music in more than one partition [14:09] you 'used' to be able to fiddle in dconf/gconf-editior to add extra's - -but that failed here this morning [14:10] and even if you can - not particularly userfriendly procedure [14:10] right, banshee and rhythmbox can only watch one directory, but you can add as many as you want [14:10] and it doesn't copy by default [14:11] ali1234: I has /mnt/music and /mnt/music2, could only have one in rhythmbox (and I think banshee) [14:12] rest let you have whatever you want [14:12] you can add both but it will only automatically watch one for changes [14:12] ali1234: not this morning I couldn't [14:13] in rhythmbox, file->add music and don't tick "copy files" [14:13] mmm [14:13] wouldn't have looked at that as the right option [14:14] anyway - thanks :) [14:14] in banshee it's media->import media [14:14] and the "don't copy" option is in the settings, off by default [14:14] right [14:15] previously (and I mean last time I used it) you could multiple libraries in rhythmbox [14:15] but had to gconf or something [14:15] yeah i vaguely remember that too [14:22] elfy: works for me on vivid. dconf-editor, org.gnome.rhythmbox.rhythmdb.locations [14:23] then in preferences tick "watch my library for new files" (should be on by default imo) [14:23] and it even says "multiple locations set" in the text field [14:23] would be nice if there was a gui for this, but it does work [14:29] quod libet seems really good [14:32] even "jump to playing song" works [14:33] it doesn't show up in the indicator though :( [14:34] enable the mpris plugin [14:35] it really has many plugins. I was really surprised [14:35] lots of plugins as well i see [14:35] yeah. i assume we could enable mpris by default? [14:37] "The XFCE netinstall disk image provided by the Debian project installs Quod Libet as the default music program." [14:39] https://github.com/quodlibet/quodlibet/issues/1493 [14:40] i could take a look at that [14:43] I guess ubuntu could add a patch to enable it by default [14:50] ali1234: aah yes - that's the one [14:59] slow ... 9 minutes and it's dealt with 27 days of 135 days [15:02] 135 days playing time? [15:03] 5 days imported too fast for me to even see it happen [15:03] not enough space in the VM for more than that, but i can try it on 14.04 [15:06] in 14.04 it does not appear to have a progress indicator [15:07] 24 days 24 minutes, import time ~1 minute [15:08] ali1234: Why are you looking at old versions? I thought the purpose of this exercise was to evaluate players for default inclusion in the future 15.10/W? [15:08] because my VM can only fit about 5 days of mp3s [15:08] so i can't test import speed in it [15:08] if the version in 15.04 is really an order of magnitude slower then it is a regression [15:09] * drc gives up on this, it's not a subjective evaluation, it's a "I want this one" evaluation. [15:09] mmm - got to 40 days [15:10] funny how all the people claiming "this isn;t subjective!" all seem to have already picked a player that they want [15:10] yeah, but we're not running the "subjective" evaluation. [15:10] and i've said all along that i have no preference other than NOT gmusicbrowser [15:11] my preference isn't ever going to get on the list [15:11] anyway - off for a bit now [15:11] neither is mine [15:12] Anyway, I'm going to just shut up on this subject. [15:15] later i'll set up a real test on some other hardware [15:15] what would you consider to be a "large" library anyway? [15:42] ali1234: >1Tb [15:43] well i can't test that, i don't have that much disk space in my computer [15:43] I could test it [15:44] but I've not got that much here, was just responding to what I'd consider large [15:44] i would consider 100GB to be large [15:44] I guess some people would consider mine to be large [15:45] how big is the biggest ipod these days? [15:45] no idea without asking google [15:46] 64Gb apparently [15:50] 2 partitions here - 194G and 518G - can test with one of those if we're after time to deal with large library [15:51] is initial import time really a big problem? [15:51] i mean you only have to do it once [15:51] as long as it does work quickly after you've imported... [15:52] otoh if we're going to test the latter then we might as well time how long the import takes as well [15:52] no - not for me it's not at all, that's the same as how long to boot a machine if you run a server :) [15:52] yeah. or how long the installer takes :) [15:52] I don't mind - I'm happy enough to get the data [15:53] yep :) [15:53] well i'll do a small scale test with my 50GB library on a slow netbook with a slow spinning disk [15:54] ok - let me know if you want anything [15:55] Cookies? [15:59] Sugary things that taste good? [15:59] they'd be green by the time they arrived Unit193 :( [15:59] hi zequence :) [16:00] Hi elfy [16:01] Ayone got a ubuntu phone yet? [16:01] nope [16:01] Maybe it's better just to get a device and install your own thing [16:02] elfy: How's Xubuntu doing? [16:02] pretty good all in all :) [16:04] elfy: How's England doing (hope I'm aiming right, geographically) [16:04] ? [16:04] yep [16:04] you aimed right - currently damp and dismal [16:05] dismal is right with us nordic people [16:05] It just sets the right mood for anything [16:05] ha ha [16:05] joking, of course [16:07] Seems that the differences between different DEs is growing somewhat larger now [16:08] Sorry for being so late in the discussion [16:09] I think I noticed it before, but never saw it as a problem, or whatever you would prefer to call itr [16:10] elfy: You listen to doom metal at any time? [16:11] I believe some of the best doom metal bands are from England [16:11] Speaking about dismal [16:11] I love it [16:25] elfy: You ever listen to doom metal? [16:25] Sorry, I'm on the wrong channel. [16:26] I actually though I was on the other one. Sorry, again [16:45] slickymaster: Just did an MP for the docs with all the changes except the general credits one, as agreed upon. [20:02] Unit193, Since you have xubuntu ppa rights, would you mind packaging xfburn from upstream git? [20:03] ali1234: I have been following the conversation about audio players, and have to say that I am in agreement with you in that the UIs are not intuitive. Also, it happened that I was using the same layout as you in GMB, the Exaile layout, which prompted me to install Exaile. I like this player for its file browser ability; and, of course, that it can play wav(PCM) format. [20:13] Noskcaj: Umm, what for? It's kind of early WIP. [20:13] testing and crap. Can you copy it if i package it? [20:15] Also, do we know when the next round of 4.12 point releases is coming? If not i might backport a few commits [20:24] Vivid-β2.iso and usb-creator-gtk is still plagued by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1325801 . In particular, comment #105 mentions the Xubuntu iso ; is there any solution of this problems in the pipe line ? [20:24] Launchpad bug 1325801 in Ubuntu CD Images "failed to boot from USB disk with error: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R Image boot:" [Undecided,In progress] [20:26] gnumbknuts, looks like it's fixed in vivid, being fixed in other releases soon [20:27] ubottu: you must be psychic , twice this has happened ;) [20:27] gnumbknuts: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [20:27] ubottu is a bot [20:27] Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots for all information. [20:35] Unit193: thanks, I couldn't workout how somebody could reply so fast . [20:35] Sure. [20:42] Noskcaj: I tried a forced install, into trusty1404.2, of the utopic and vivid update versions of usb-creator, and then ran the programs; neither of them worked. I still had to copy my system version of gfcboot.c32(23kB) on to the usb-stick for it to work. [21:58] knome, the MP is here -> [21:58] https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/xubuntu-docs/patches/+merge/254485 [21:59] I'll wait you're input before merging it [21:59] your [21:59] :P [21:59] bah it's saturday [21:59] hah [21:59] we're allowed to mistype [22:00] since we understand each other [22:02] krytarik, commented MP [22:53] Just want to thank the Xubuntu developers for the awesome work. Xubuntu is my favorite distro, fast, stable and pretty. Thank you very much. [22:55] xkaue, you're welcome, and glad to hear you like it! [22:57] so, knome, krytarik, Unit193, ftr, you agree with changing Ubuntu Documentation Project into Xubuntu Team in the docs make file? [22:58] slickymaster, ack [22:58] Well, yep. [22:58] Unit193!!!! [22:59] I'm oppressed! [22:59] ahhaha [22:59] I'll consider that as a yes [23:00] knome, waht about your doubt about the actual output of the cross references now? [23:00] krytarik: ^^^ [23:00] i just remember krytarik wanted to shorten the output, and i'm not sure if it works in all situations in all places [23:01] Oh you mean that silly "The section called" stuff? [23:01] knome: It does. [23:01] krytarik, in english? but in finnish? [23:01] Unit193: Yep, that. [23:01] lol [23:02] knome: Across all languages, yes. [23:02] * slickymaster enjoys the readiness state of mind krytarik holds [23:02] krytarik, technically or language-wise? how well do you know finnish? [23:02] :) [23:02] Technically, of course. ;P [23:03] he's nitpicking krytarik [23:03] slickymaster, actually, i'm not [23:03] I know knome [23:03] what i mean is that if we change the way crossreferences are output [23:03] that changes how the text reads [23:03] and it might make the text unnatural [23:03] also know that [23:03] so as i said before, i'm fine making the crossreferences shorter on lists [23:03] but I'm assuming that krytarik had that factor in mind [23:04] but not completely sure about paragraph and adminition text [23:04] krytarik, so did you? or does that change affect all crossreferences? [23:04] adminition? [23:04] note, warning, etx [23:04] *etc [23:04] admonition really :P [23:05] * slickymaster didn't want to say anything [23:05] ;) [23:05] hah [23:05] lol [23:05] knome: Like I said, everywhere, every language. [23:05] but i'm not sure i agree with that change. [23:05] in that magnitude... [23:05] as i told you before :P [23:06] it's something easilly reverted if we do see/think it's necessary knome [23:07] at any point in time [23:07] but the thing is, i know it's a mistake already [23:07] :) [23:08] well, I don't want to make a merge of something that part of team isn't comfortable with [23:08] i understand the inconsistency issue krytarik mentions [23:09] and the issue with the lists where "the section ..." is repeated again and again [23:09] and i think that deserves a change [23:09] that's the main reason I'm +1 on krytarik's proposal knome [23:10] sure, but that should be limited to lists [23:25] so knome, if we don't go with krytarik's option, what would be your suggestion? [23:25] make the change only affect crossreferences in lists [23:26] krytarik, what do you think? ^^^ [23:26] knome, slickymaster: I just checked the Finnish version, and the only difference there between now and my suggestion would be dropped quotation marks - so I guess that'd work for me too. :P [23:27] great [23:27] krytarik, wait [23:27] krytarik, are you saying your proposal does not affect crossreferences in paragraph text at all then? [23:27] krytarik, or the only difference in addition to that? [23:28] Hah? I'm saying my primary target is to drop the "section called" addition, everywhere. [23:29] right [23:29] left [23:29] and you would be ok that it would only be dropped from lists? [23:30] No, because that make it inconsistent between the original version and the translations. [23:30] * makes [23:30] so what are you actually agreeing with then? [23:30] To not drop *every* addition, incl. quotation marks. [23:31] but that's not what i said :D [23:31] However, that'd still leave them inconsistent towards the other links, of course. [23:31] hmpf [23:31] let me check the finnish translation. [23:36] krytarik, no, it doesn't sound right [23:36] i guess i got to sleep on it though [23:37] krytarik, why does the list on the front page say "Chapter X"? [23:40] knome: I guess because those are chapters, rather than sections. :P [23:40] That is, automagically. [23:45] okay [23:47] krytarik, what about the consistency on guide-default-apps.html#default-media ? [23:52] knome: If you mean to indicate you want the "Chapter" stuff removed too then - I just tried it, and it works just the same. [23:53] krytarik, no, i'm just questioning your path to consistency :P