[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:36] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42
[12:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: How are you finding KDE5 ?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> penguin42, not real enthusuaistic about it so far ...missing some of my fav features and one has been droppe, not a step forward... the 'look" is ok tho.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> err enthusiastic :)
[12:55] <BluesKaj> penguin42, have you given it a try ?
[12:55] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, I'm about the same, it's still annoying me in a lot of small ways
[12:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Things like the title bars being rather big, and some things not working reliably - like ctrl-alt-t binding for opening a konsole not always working for me
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I miss the different backgrounds for the VDs , it's been dropped in favour of the activities optional backagrounds...a pet peeve of mine , krunner no longer has a drop down for previous entries ..etc
[13:01] <BluesKaj> the muon toolbar is missing
[13:03] <BluesKaj> I use muon as a reference, seldom as a package manager
[13:04] <BluesKaj> and that muon discover thing is hopeless IMO
[13:04] <BluesKaj> that's my list, so far :)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> not entirely related to plasma 5 tho
[13:06] <penguin42> what's muon discover?
[13:06] <lordievader> penguin42: The Kubuntu software centre.
[13:07] <penguin42> ah
[13:07]  * penguin42 has never really used software centre stuff - but I do generally like having the click to do updates
[13:08]  * penguin42 did notice the change in that now it's got systemd   poweroff  works for a normal user rather than needing sudo :-)
[13:10] <gnox> Hey guys, just installed Beta 2 and now I am curious about the boot time
[13:10] <gnox> systemd-analyze blame gives me a service called NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[13:11] <elfy> yep - I think it says that for many people
[13:11] <gnox> with a start time of 8.071s
[13:11] <gnox> on a ssd
[13:11] <penguin42> sounds like it's waiting for your net to come up?
[13:11] <elfy> gnox: similar - 12 on an ssd
[13:11] <gnox> my debian system boots up in just about 2.5 sec
[13:12] <penguin42> gnox: Does systemctl show NetworkManager-wait-online ?
[13:12] <gnox> ubuntu has 12 sec
[13:12] <penguin42> gnox: What does  journalctl -u NetworkManager-wait-online show you, and what type of networking do you have?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> i didn't notice any diff with boot times on kubuntu 15.04 and systemd, but this pc is pretty old, 2008 vintage, altho it has 6G RAM
[13:14] <gnox> penguin42: the output of systemctl: http://pastebin.com/90G5HVXq
[13:15] <BluesKaj> amd cpus from that time aren't the fastest either
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> where can you enable/disable systemd services on 15.04?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, at the login
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: cool
[13:16] <BluesKaj> tty/vt lotuspsychje
[13:16] <gnox> penguin42: journalctl -u NetworkManager-wait-online: http://pastebin.com/y39jwagB
[13:16] <lordievader> gnox: Do you have things depending on a network connection?
[13:16] <gnox> penguin42: my internet :P
[13:17] <lordievader> Apart from that, things like network mount's etc.
[13:17] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, assuming systemctl is part of the systemd package, ...I may be wrong on that
[13:17] <gnox> lordievader: no, just a plain install on my testmachine
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:18] <lordievader> Then I think you can even disable it, but don't quote me on it.
[13:19] <gnox> lordievader: ok, and how to do so?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,, quote from google: "systemctl may be used to introspect and control the state of the " systemd " system and service manager"
[13:20] <lordievader> gnox: sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager-wait-online (if it does screw up things do the same but with 'enable' instead)
[13:22] <gnox> lordievader: thanks man, i'll reboot now (logging chat off and on)...
[13:24] <gnox> lordievader: much better now
[13:24] <lordievader> No broken networks?
[13:24] <gnox> Startup finished in 2.638s (kernel) + 1.295s (userspace) = 3.933s and network seems to work, since i can chat here
[13:25] <lordievader> Cool, cool.
[13:25] <gnox> almost 4 secs is still not that fast with my laptop and debian jessie with 2.5 secs boot-time
[13:25] <gnox> plymouth seems to have an error, too
[13:25] <penguin42> gnox: OK, so for me the NetworkManager-wait-online takes under a second
[13:25] <penguin42> gnox: I'm on wired ethernet - and you?
[13:26] <gnox> penguin42: yeah - wired ethernet, too
[13:27] <penguin42> gnox: Hmm ok, then I guess it's a bug - because given that this is a 5year+ old Core2 laptop, the problem isn't CPU usage
[13:28] <gnox> penguin42: it's an acer aspire 7740G core I5 with 4gigs...
[13:29] <gnox> and my beta 2 runs on a desktop: amd phenom II x4 965 with 4gigs either
[13:30]  * BluesKaj noticed that about acer..cheap with the RAM
[13:30] <penguin42> gnox: Nod, you could try using journalctl to see what else was going on in the 8 seconds while it was sitting there - I'm wondering if it was waiting for something else and there is maybe a missing dependency of something that should happen first
[13:31] <gnox> BluesKaj: np to me, my jessie with xfce runs absolutely smooth ;)
[13:33] <BluesKaj> gnox, an i5 cpu deserves more memory, mine is an i3 and it came with 8G RAM ..lenovo G500 latop
[13:34]  * penguin42 reckons on 1 or 2 GB/core
[13:35] <gnox> BluesKaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[13:36] <gnox> as I said: no probs until now (at least for me) :)
[13:37] <penguin42> gnox: Anyway, I call bug rather than cpu/memory time
[13:38] <gnox> penguin42, dito
[13:38] <gnox> penguin42,  but how to see what is going on in those 8 secs?
[13:40] <penguin42> gnox: Well, you know the start/end times, so get the whole of the journal for that 8 seconds and see what else is going on
[13:40] <elfy> I see similar, but if I disable NetworkManager-wait-online then libvirt-bin.service has a fit :)
[13:40] <elfy> with an i5 and 8Gb ram
[13:41] <gnox> penguin42, thanks... i'll enable the service again and check. i'll be back later ;)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> gnox, not disputing that ubuntu runs great on your machine , I'm just commenting on how computer manufacturers cut HW in order reach a v=certain price point
[13:42] <penguin42> gnox: The other possibility is that nm-wait-online is doing something that doesn't play well with your network card/router
[13:42] <penguin42> elfy: Oh, that sounds odd - what type of fit?
[13:42] <elfy> penguin42: time's out
[13:44] <penguin42> trying to do what?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> odd I haven't encountered that nm-wait-online
[13:45] <elfy> penguin42: to connect from memory, I rebooted now
[13:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Me neither, I'm an upgrade
[13:46] <MoonUnit`> NetworkManager-wait-online takes 8 seconds for me, connected with ethernet.
[13:46] <penguin42> elfy: Upgrade or fresh install ?
[13:46] <elfy> install
[13:46] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I installed beta2 clean
[13:46] <lordievader> penguin42: Libvirt can do it's networking setup through nm.
[13:46] <elfy> this is install sometime in the last 3 or 4 months
[13:47] <BluesKaj> to / , still had /home untouched
[13:47] <lordievader> And thus if NM isn't up fully it cannot do it's networking.
[13:48] <penguin42> lordievader: Yeh although I'm more surprised if it's the bit just waiting for your external internet to be up - libvirt should run fine on a host that's unplugged
[13:48] <elfy> lordievader: yep, but if I remove bridge-utils, then I still get the wait of ~8 secs
[13:48]  * penguin42 would be tempted to tcpdump what's going on the network
[13:48] <lordievader> It can also run fine without NM ;)
[13:49] <penguin42> I wonder if it's something like an IPv6 dhcp that goes unanswered or soemthing similar
[13:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I had a total blank on network W7 on qemu-kvm with libvirt , the only thing windows worked on it was the ehernet to the internet, no LAN whatsover
[13:50] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I know, you told me.
[13:50] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Letting libvirt nat it for you should do the trick though, unless you don't want natting, then you need to look into bridge devices.
[13:50] <BluesKaj> lordievader, wondering if you knew what was wrong
[13:51] <penguin42> there are a good 3 or 4 different ways of setting up networking for libvirt, each of which has there good and bad bits
[13:51] <BluesKaj> I had the NAT enabled on the router , if that's what you mean
[13:51] <lordievader> No.
[13:52] <lordievader> Libvirt can do it's own natting, wich might be usefull if you run libvirt on a laptop and don't want to drop a bunch of vm's on every network you visit.
[13:53] <penguin42> you can also do bridge networking (generally good, takes a bit of setup) or macvtap (which works very well except if you want to connect the vm to the host)
[13:53] <BluesKaj> I was running it on this machine/with ethernet
[13:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What do you want to do with the VM networking - just let it connect out? Do you want other machines on your network to be able to connect to it?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> penguin42, exactly yes , and the VM guest/Windows 7 to connect to the pcs on the LAN
[13:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you want the other machines on your network to be able to connect to the VM guest ?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> yes that would be good too
[13:58] <BluesKaj> I could dual boot windows I suppose, but qemu-kvm ran very well otherwise
[13:59] <penguin42> ok, if you want other hosts to be able to connect in then you can't use NAT on qemu/libvirt
[13:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: So you need to setup one of the bridge setups
[13:59] <lordievader> BluesKaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConnectionBridge
[14:00] <lordievader> And then plug the virtual network adapter of the vm into that.
[14:00]  * penguin42 thought there was a way to get libvirt to do all that for you
[14:01] <BluesKaj> actually it sounds easier to just dual boot ...but I do appreciate the suggestions penguin42 , lordievader
[14:02] <penguin42> BluesKaj: For just connecting out from the VM it's dead easy using NAT
[14:02] <BluesKaj> I see
[14:03] <simon_g> hi
[14:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Do what you want. I'm glad I got rid of dual booting. Such a waste of time.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> lordievader, well, I have lots of time :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> I hope
[14:12] <simon_g> where does the ubuntu store xorg.conf? i cannot find it under /etc/X11 i need it to check it because my touchpad works out-of-the-box on ubuntu but other distributions seem to have a problem with it, so i wanna check it out
[14:14] <MoonUnit`> it's all autoconfig these days don't have an xorg.conf
[14:14] <TheNumb> simon_g: by default xorg.conf is not generated.
[14:15] <TheNumb> It's been years since autoconfig started working.
[14:15] <simon_g> oops... it was a while since i've used linux ;)
[14:15] <TheNumb> ;-)
[14:16] <simon_g> anyway- where can i find the configuration of touchpad :)? i'm thinking about the auto-turn off while typing as well as two-finger scrolling
[14:16] <simon_g> :P
[14:16] <MoonUnit`> if you need to you can add parts of a config to/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[14:17] <MoonUnit`> added a 10-monitor.conf to set up my dual screen there
[14:17] <TheNumb> MoonUnit`: err wasn't it /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? <:
[14:17] <MoonUnit`> used to be
[14:18] <simon_g> tehre is no /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d directory
[14:18] <simon_g> *there
[14:19] <BluesKaj> try it without the  .d
[14:19] <simon_g> nope, there is none
[14:20] <BluesKaj>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:21] <simon_g> nope. there is no files like that
[14:21] <BluesKaj> to create one,  sudo Xorg -configure
[14:21] <lordievader> simon_g: Create it ;)
[14:21] <lordievader> The xorg.conf.d
[14:21] <lordievader> You don't want to create an xorg.conf
[14:21] <simon_g> yeah... and configure everything from the start. thanks, i'm old enough to remember it ;)
[14:22] <lordievader> simon_g: No, create a xorg.conf.d dir and configure just what you need.
[14:25] <simon_g> i'm not particularly interested with creating the new one- now everything works fine, or good enough for me. I'd just want to see the current, default, out-of-the-box configuration (which- as I've mentioned before- works fine) so I could copy it and modify the configuration on other distribution. I, somehow though, that the xorg.conf was automatically created during boot-up process
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: Oh there isn't any xorg.conf now - none
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: Not autocreated, never
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: The X server just detects stuff at run time - except for special added sections
[14:26] <lordievader> simon_g: Hence the .d dir ;)
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: It's done that for ages (at least 5 years??)
[14:29] <simon_g> :| thanks!
[14:30] <BluesKaj> we used to create an nvidia xorg.conf when reinstalling the driver after an X problem at one time , but I haven't seen that for a couple of yrs either
[14:31] <lordievader> nVidia/FGLRX still like to create one, yes.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> I don't have one afaik
[14:33] <penguin42> simon_g: Stuff is so dynamic these days - you walk up to somewhere with your laptop and plug it into a projector and a mouse, then unplug it etc - a lot of the configuration doesn't make sense for static configs except when you hit a problem
[14:33] <lordievader> penguin42: Hehe, you should have seen FOSDEM. Many ppl messing with xrandr ;)
[14:34] <TheNumb> :D
[14:34] <MoonUnit`> hopefully one day we can have fun with wayland conf files.
[14:34] <lordievader> Supposedly kwin works on there.
[14:34] <penguin42> lordievader: Still?  KDE generally behaves for me these days even with projectors - although I still occasionally come across a fun one
[14:35]  * penguin42 should try wayland
[14:36] <TheNumb> penguin42: not with kde
[14:36] <TheNumb> (yet)
[14:36] <TheNumb> ;p
[14:37] <penguin42> :-(
[14:38] <BluesKaj> haven't heard any reports of users trying wayland at all
[14:40] <MoonUnit`> tried it with fedora 21 but was buggy.
[14:42] <simon_g> ok, thanks for help, have a nice weekend!
[15:35] <igalic> BluesKaj: how does one use wayland?
[15:39] <TheNumb> igalic: your DE/window manager has to support it first.
[15:39] <TheNumb> ;-)
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ubi-partman hates the UEFI world apparently...
[15:46] <igalic> TheNumb: well, that would be kde
[15:46] <TheNumb> no
[15:46] <TheNumb> not yet
[15:46] <TheNumb> ;-)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> igalic, I see your question was answered, haven't tried it myself, and I'm also on KDE
[16:11] <TheNumb> igalic: be sure to follow https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts
[16:11] <TheNumb> :)
[16:12] <TheNumb> Martin is the head developer of KWin.
[16:42] <solsTiCe> hi. I just tried ubuntu 15.04 live cd (usb) and it was fine. Except when I told it to reboot; it stayed forever on "Please remove media an dype ENTER". I had to use the power button to switch it off.
[16:43] <solsTiCe> I welcome the switch to systemd but isn't that a little late in the ubuntu release cycle ? after feature freeze ??
[16:44]  * penguin42 isn't sure on the timing - but it's hardly a surprise - it's been announced it was happening for a long time and you've been able to choose one or the other for a while, so I think the only change that's just happened is making the default switch
[16:45] <solsTiCe> ok
[16:46] <TheNumb> solsTiCe: it's not like the packages haven't been tested before the switch.
[16:47] <lordievader> Probably the feature freeze came in handy with the switch to systemd. Things don't change when frozen.
[16:50] <elfy> that's a known b2 image bug ^^
[16:51] <solsTiCe> elfy: the reboot thingy problem ?
[16:53] <TheNumb> solsTiCe: it used to happen to me in older releases too.
[16:53] <TheNumb> So it's not 15.04 specific.
[16:54] <solsTiCe> I tried previous daily 15.04 iso and I don't remember having such a problem. never mind.
[16:54] <elfy> solsTiCe: yep
[16:55] <elfy> it's better than just before - when it just rebooted into live image :)
[16:56] <TheNumb> solsTiCe: it happens every once in a while
[16:58] <solsTiCe> I thought it was systemd related
[17:01] <TheNumb> nope
[17:05] <agronholm> how do I switch from nouveau to nvidia drivers on 15.04? thanks.
[17:08] <elfy> install nvidia from additional drivers
[17:08] <lordievader> agronholm: Install the nvidia package.
[17:08] <agronholm> it's not visible there
[17:09] <agronholm> I already installed nvidia-346
[17:09] <lordievader> agronholm: What card do you have?
[17:09] <agronholm> geforce gt 940M
[17:09] <lordievader> Should still be supported, I think.
[17:09] <agronholm> by the binary drivers, yes
[17:09] <lordievader> agronholm: What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[17:10] <agronholm> https://bpaste.net/show/02dd732f9d8d
[17:10] <agronholm> does this mean I'm not even using nouveau?
[17:10] <TheNumb> well
[17:11] <TheNumb> agronholm: isn't your dedicated gpu turned off?
[17:11] <agronholm> how would I know?
[17:11] <lordievader> Is it an hybrid thing?
[17:11] <TheNumb> in bios or something
[17:11] <agronholm> I guess I should reboot and check
[17:16] <maxb> Time to dare to upgrade ... :-)
[17:18] <agronholm> there was no such setting in the BIOS
[17:18] <lordievader> agronholm: Is it a laptop?
[17:18] <agronholm> yes
[17:18] <agronholm> thinpad t550
[17:18] <agronholm> *Thinkpad
[17:20] <lordievader> agronholm: Hmm, could you pastebin the output of lshw?
[17:21] <agronholm> https://bpaste.net/show/4f3cd8e1daa7
[17:23] <lordievader> There are multiple models, one with only an intel gpu, one with a hybrid intel/nvidia. This seems to be intel only.
[17:23] <lordievader> http://pdfs.icecat.biz/pdf/44835721-8504.pdf
[17:23] <agronholm> lordievader: I specifically got myself the nvidia version
[17:23] <agronholm> as you can see from the output, it has an nvidia controller
[17:24] <agronholm> line 356 onward
[17:24] <TheNumb> yup
[17:25] <agronholm> is this chip too new to be somehow recognized?
[17:25] <agronholm> it was only announced like two weeks ago...
[17:26] <agronholm> this is my first laptop with both intel and nvidia controllers so I'm at a loss
[17:26] <agronholm> I have no clue how to switch
[17:27] <penguin42> oh those are always fun
[17:27] <penguin42> agronholm: Are you sure - The Lenovo's normally have a switch in the BIOS for that
[17:28] <TheNumb> penguin42: unless it's "muxless"
[17:28] <TheNumb> no switch in that case
[17:28] <agronholm> penguin42: if it doesn't, I was delivered the wrong thing
[17:28] <TheNumb> agronholm: does it work in windows?
[17:28] <agronholm> and then what is the nvidia 3d controller device on line 356 onwards?
[17:28] <penguin42> agronholm: I had a w520 a couple of years back that had it, they offered a choice between Integrated, discrete and Optimus
[17:28] <TheNumb> I see that you have an ntfs partition.
[17:28] <agronholm> TheNumb: yeh?
[17:28] <penguin42> TheNumb: What's the muxless about?
[17:29] <TheNumb> penguin42: the display is connected to the integrated gpu
[17:29] <TheNumb> only
[17:29] <TheNumb> I've got a laptop with that setup.
[17:29] <penguin42> TheNumb: Ah, not come across those, the one I had had no mux, but it had some outputs connected to the Intel, some to the Nvidia
[17:29] <TheNumb> And it's a pain in the butt since xorg doesn't support that at all.
[17:30] <TheNumb> Only hacky drivers from amd do.
[17:30] <penguin42> TheNumb: There's a thing called bumblebee for Intel/Nvidia mix
[17:30] <TheNumb> I know.
[17:31] <TheNumb> It's also supposed to work with muxless intel/amd ;p
[17:31] <lordievader> agronholm: Ah, I read over that one.
[17:31] <penguin42> TheNumb: Still, the w520 I had with that mix still had the bios settings
[17:31] <agronholm> well, this one didn't
[17:31] <agronholm> I'm pretty sure of it
[17:31] <TheNumb> only older laptops had that switch
[17:32] <TheNumb> new ones usually come "muxless"
[17:32] <TheNumb> unless the vendor decides otherwise
[17:32] <agronholm> what does that mean?
[17:32] <TheNumb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[17:33] <lordievader> Lshw does show that the nvidia doesn't have a driver loaded.
[17:34] <TheNumb> agronholm: check your xorg log.
[17:34] <agronholm> the nouvea module is loaded though
[17:34] <agronholm> *nouveau
[17:34] <lordievader> agronholm: Lshw doesn't reflect that.
[17:34] <agronholm> but since this is kernel 3.19, it doesn't recognize it
[17:34] <agronholm> support for the 940M only comes in kernel 4.0
[17:36] <agronholm> I tried installing 4.0rc5 but then the nvidia driver couldn't build its dkms module
[17:37] <penguin42> agronholm: how were you installing the nvidia driver?
[17:37] <agronholm> penguin42: apt-get install nvdiai-346-updates
[17:37] <penguin42> ok
[17:38] <lordievader> agronholm: From where did you install the 4.0 kernel? Ubuntu kernel ppa?
[17:38] <agronholm> yes
[17:49] <CptRageToaster> travnewmatic: where are the Vivid kernel, initrd, etc on your box?
[17:49] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/NaU3NwPW
[17:50] <CptRageToaster> it looked like they were on the same HDD, but different partition?
[17:50] <travnewmatic> thats right
[17:50] <CptRageToaster> ok
[17:50] <travnewmatic> i'm trying something that i havent done before
[17:50] <travnewmatic> different /'s for utopic and vivid
[17:50] <travnewmatic> but they're both using the same /boot, /home, and swap
[17:50] <CptRageToaster> have you made sure that you have permission to see everything there?
[17:50] <travnewmatic> well i've got vivid mounted
[17:51] <travnewmatic> and can click around in the folders
[17:51] <CptRageToaster> wait... but the contents of your /boot folder...
[17:51] <CptRageToaster> that's what grub would be reading....
[17:51] <travnewmatic> sure, i do have that partition mounted as well
[17:51] <travnewmatic> and i checked the time on the grub.cfg file
[17:52] <travnewmatic> that file in /boot/grub/ is the one thats getting updated iwth grub-update
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> so, make sure you don't have a DIFFERENT grub.cfg in the OTHER /boot folder
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> right?
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> there are two?
[17:52] <travnewmatic> only one boot
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> o ok
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> I think I see what you're going for
[17:53] <travnewmatic>  /boot and /home are shared
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> I'm going to go eat some food, I'll think about this some more
[17:53] <travnewmatic> :D
[17:53] <travnewmatic> k
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> why does the script say it's living in /dev/sda8 then?
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> shouldn't the kernel and initrd still be living in the /boot folder of dev/sda1?
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> I'm not certain
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> afk, brb 40 min or so
[17:54] <travnewmatic> thats where the /boot partition is
[17:55] <travnewmatic> er
[17:55] <travnewmatic> sorry
[17:55] <travnewmatic>  /dev/sda8 is the root (/) for vivid
[17:56] <travnewmatic> lordievader, http://pastebin.com/siS47nF4
[17:56] <travnewmatic> my grub.cfg
[17:57] <travnewmatic> lordievader, your idea the other day got me tinkering
[17:57] <lordievader> travnewmatic: How did you install Vivid?
[17:57] <lordievader> What idea?
[17:58] <travnewmatic> having multiple linux's mount the same /home
[17:58] <travnewmatic> i installed vivid with a flash drive
[17:59] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Grub doesn't find a kernel nor initramfs.
[17:59] <lordievader> Where have you put those?
[17:59] <travnewmatic> hmmmmmmm
[18:00] <travnewmatic> those should be in boot
[18:01] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/zhLrziW9
[18:01] <lordievader> travnewmatic: In the same /boot or did you make a new one?
[18:01] <travnewmatic> supposed to be the same boot
[18:01] <lordievader> Jup, no Vivid kernel.
[18:01] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Could you pastebin your partition layout?
[18:01] <travnewmatic> seeing that now :|
[18:02] <travnewmatic> un momento
[18:02] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/EtMRETJu
[18:03] <ubuntuuberuser> guys, i have a problem
[18:03] <ubuntuuberuser> problem with dependencies
[18:03] <ubuntuuberuser> trying to remove Plank from 15.04 new beta Mate ed
[18:03] <lordievader> travnewmatic: That is df, not your partition layout
[18:04] <travnewmatic> i was avoiding screencaps :D
[18:04] <travnewmatic> but i can
[18:04] <ubuntuuberuser> plank depends on ubuntu-mate-desktop
[18:04] <ubuntuuberuser> it is not right i think
[18:05] <lordievader> travnewmatic: parted /dev/sdX print
[18:05] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/iSbEaZfH
[18:05] <travnewmatic> ah k
[18:06] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/HvjNvv5p
[18:07] <lordievader> travnewmatic: I get the feeling the Vivid kernel didn't go to /boot.
[18:07] <lordievader> Anyhow, got to go.
[18:07] <travnewmatic> lordievader, i'm getting that feeling too
[18:08] <travnewmatic> alright
[18:08] <travnewmatic> will reinstall, making sure my boxes are checked and my t's are crossed
[18:08] <travnewmatic> thanks for all the help guys, i'll let you know how it goes!
[18:12] <travnewmatic> so during the install
[19:19] <CptRageToaster> Oh good
[19:19] <CptRageToaster> I was thinking that too
[20:18] <stef1a> i'm running 15.04 on a third gen Lenovo ThinkPad Carbon X1, and audio has stopped playing from chrome, chromium, and firefox. help?
[20:19] <TheNumb> stef1a: does it play at all?
[20:19] <stef1a> yup
[20:19] <TheNumb> have you tried restarting the browsers?
[20:20] <stef1a> yes, and the machine
[21:07] <agronholm> ok I think I understand a little better how things should work with a hybrid graphics system now
[21:07] <agronholm> my machine is quite new so it should not have a hardware muxer. now I just need to figure out how to make the nvidia chip actually work.
[21:07] <lordievader> Whoo, did you fix it?
[21:07] <lordievader> Oh..
[21:08] <lordievader> Cheered to soon, didn't I.
[21:08] <agronholm> heh
[21:08] <agronholm> I just need to know how to switch from nouveau to the binary driver
[21:09] <agronholm> xrandr --listproviders only gives me one provider
[21:09] <lordievader> I got the feeling you first need to switch to the nVidia card from the Intel one.
[21:09] <agronholm> no
[21:09] <agronholm> in newer systems, the intel driver is *always* active
[21:10] <agronholm> but applications can be made to render using the nvidia driver
[21:10] <agronholm> that's how PRIME works apparently
[21:10] <lordievader> Hmm, clearly I have no idea what I am talking about XD
[21:10] <agronholm> what you said was true for older systems that have a hardware muxer
[21:11] <agronholm> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics
[21:18] <lordievader> Nasty stuff.