| knome | slickymaster, | 21:38 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | was thinking we could have a spring on the community help wiki some day | 21:38 |
| knome | to do... something | 21:38 |
| knome | like, see what information is really useful there | 21:38 |
| knome | and up-to-date | 21:39 |
| knome | and try to gather an index of that | 21:39 |
| slickymaster | yes | 21:39 |
| slickymaster | I have all next weekend free knome | 21:39 |
| knome | since nobody is certain what the future of the wiki will be, we should at least do something useful with the content | 21:39 |
| knome | i don't know anything about my next weekend, but i plan to be the satruday off | 21:39 |
| knome | meaning that if i can get people here, i'll be off | 21:40 |
| slickymaster | this coming week will be difficult for me because of the implementation of the new framework | 21:40 |
| knome | that's fine | 21:40 |
| knome | it's not something to rush | 21:40 |
| slickymaster | but from friday until sunday I'll be here | 21:40 |
| slickymaster | right | 21:40 |
| knome | i guess maybe the good starting point would be to try to make the frontpage more useful | 21:41 |
| knome | it's currently linking to more and less useful pages | 21:41 |
| knome | that link to more and less useful pages themself | 21:41 |
| slickymaster | we'll we talked last year about doing this and we've been postponing it since them | 21:41 |
| knome | pleia2, i guess there is no update on the statistics from the IS? | 21:41 |
| slickymaster | s/we'll/we've | 21:41 |
| knome | yep | 21:41 |
| knome | we can even do a minisprint in 5 minutes | 21:42 |
| slickymaster | fine with me | 21:42 |
| slickymaster | Lag: 7.65 :P | 21:43 |
| knome | hah | 21:43 |
| knome | not minutes though? | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | is pleia2 around? | 21:43 |
| knome | probably not... | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | nopes, seconds | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | knome, we still have all this we collect last year -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox | 21:44 |
| knome | yyyyeah. | 21:44 |
| knome | "Other pages in the wiki" should be somehow incorporated to the front page | 21:45 |
| slickymaster | is that an existent set of pages/links? | 21:45 |
| knome | ..what? :P | 21:46 |
| knome | it's in the linksmergesandbox | 21:46 |
| slickymaster | you're right | 21:46 |
| slickymaster | didn't see it | 21:46 |
| slickymaster | let me open the front page | 21:47 |
| knome | well wait that 5 mins first... :P | 21:47 |
| knome | or a few more | 21:47 |
| knome | actually, i'm good to go now | 21:48 |
| slickymaster | what's your idea for the Other pages...? | 21:48 |
| slickymaster | put it below Further topics? | 21:48 |
| knome | i don't know, but if people have thought they are important enough to link from "links" sections, maybe they are into something | 21:49 |
| slickymaster | yes | 21:49 |
| knome | just to start doing something useful, i opened the "Installation" page | 21:49 |
| knome | i'm checking it quickly | 21:49 |
| knome | and the links | 21:49 |
| knome | i already hit one link that links to a page that says "delete me" | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | was doing the some for the links in the Other pages | 21:50 |
| knome | works for me | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | first I hit -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost/Questions | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | last action dates to 2011 | 21:50 |
| knome | the signpost pages... | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | yes, | 21:51 |
| knome | there are probably some good thoughts in there | 21:51 |
| knome | eg. like how to organize subjects | 21:51 |
| knome | but they are basically just reindexing other pages differently | 21:51 |
| slickymaster | and Content cleanup, Style cleanup tags | 21:51 |
| slickymaster | maybe we should check those, and any potential additions, before adding them to the front page | 21:52 |
| slickymaster | and of course do the same for the alreday linked in the front page | 21:52 |
| knome | yep | 21:52 |
| knome | the installation and switching pages look relatively good as they are now | 21:53 |
| slickymaster | yes | 21:53 |
| slickymaster | we could divide the tables between us | 21:53 |
| knome | i was thinking about dividing the tables - in another way | 21:54 |
| knome | what would you say if we added headers for each table | 21:54 |
| knome | eg. remove "Help topics" | 21:54 |
| knome | and change that to "Installation" | 21:54 |
| knome | then add "Hardware" for the next table | 21:54 |
| slickymaster | I don't see why not | 21:55 |
| knome | the preinstalled applications list is.... | 21:55 |
| knome | shouldn't we just remove all of those and link to packages.ubuntu.com ? | 21:55 |
| knome | or do we think that the manual pick is somehow more useful or important? | 21:56 |
| slickymaster | yes, I think we should knome | 21:56 |
| knome | (which is last updated in 2013) | 21:56 |
| knome | ok, i'll start purging that stuff | 21:56 |
| slickymaster | I'd prefer it linked to packages.ubuntu.com | 21:56 |
| slickymaster | btw last move on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromMacOSX is yours, from 2013 | 21:57 |
| knome | pleia2, sorry for the spam :] | 21:57 |
| slickymaster | lol | 21:57 |
| knome | slickymaster, yeah, that is when i was updating the icon stuff | 21:57 |
| knome | gosh, this is a tangled thing | 21:58 |
| slickymaster | what? | 21:59 |
| knome | the software listing | 21:59 |
| knome | the individual subcategories might be somewhat useful - so i intend to keep them | 22:00 |
| knome | just remove the alphabetical listing | 22:00 |
| slickymaster | damn | 22:01 |
| knome | well at least for starters :D | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | you're talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Applications, aren't you? | 22:01 |
| knome | yeah. | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | let me refresh it | 22:01 |
| knome | in what way? | 22:02 |
| knome | i have the edit lock, keep away :P | 22:02 |
| slickymaster | I mean my browser | 22:02 |
| knome | ;) | 22:02 |
| slickymaster | you haven't commited it yet | 22:03 |
| knome | nope... | 22:03 |
| knome | i said it's tangled | 22:03 |
| slickymaster | lol | 22:03 |
| slickymaster | that's nothing for the likes of you | 22:03 |
| knome | can refresh now, first steps taken | 22:05 |
| slickymaster | ok | 22:05 |
| slickymaster | tic-toc tic-toc | 22:06 |
| knome | from the "External links", we could keep osalt.com and ubuntu apps dir | 22:06 |
| knome | though how the latter site says (c) 2012 | 22:06 |
| knome | well, it's still linked from the main navi, so... | 22:07 |
| slickymaster | well, it states that it's supporting Lucid and later releases | 22:07 |
| slickymaster | yeah, but the others should be dropped | 22:08 |
| knome | yep | 22:08 |
| knome | another update landed | 22:09 |
| knome | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AccessoriesApplications | 22:10 |
| knome | talks about 8.04... | 22:10 |
| slickymaster | that one is really outdated | 22:11 |
| knome | this list could be much more useful if it was a list/table | 22:11 |
| knome | the same thing with all of those subpages | 22:11 |
| knome | what if we dropped those pages and linked to the corresponding packages.ubuntu.com places anyway? | 22:14 |
| slickymaster | isn't it weird that we're fiddling them and not updating the content in some of them | 22:14 |
| knome | i don't know how useful it is to update the application list now | 22:14 |
| knome | it'll be outdated in a year | 22:14 |
| knome | then it needs another update | 22:14 |
| knome | if we link it to a place that's kept up-to-date automatically, we save the work | 22:15 |
| slickymaster | hence linking it to packages.ubuntu.com is the only safe solution | 22:15 |
| knome | yep | 22:15 |
| knome | so, what about the links stufF? | 22:15 |
| slickymaster | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EducationApplications suffers from the same issue | 22:15 |
| knome | i think it's fine as it is, you should just land it *somewhere* | 22:16 |
| knome | then point all the link pages to that page | 22:16 |
| slickymaster | the links present here knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox#Other_pages_in_the_wiki ? | 22:17 |
| knome | them, and the rest in the sandbox | 22:17 |
| knome | at least those that are processed | 22:17 |
| knome | even if it meant you landed a bunch of similar ones | 22:17 |
| slickymaster | maybe create a new page just with the usable links, since the the sandboc also contains a lot of garbage, links wise | 22:18 |
| knome | works for me | 22:18 |
| slickymaster | and land that page where knome? any ideas? | 22:19 |
| knome | no, just any | 22:20 |
| slickymaster | heh | 22:20 |
| slickymaster | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Links already exists | 22:21 |
| knome | you can overwrite that, or temporarily create another page | 22:22 |
| slickymaster | I think I'll opt for the latter | 22:23 |
| knome | :) | 22:23 |
| slickymaster | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResourcesLinks | 22:23 |
| knome | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games | 22:23 |
| knome | that might be of interest to some, so keeping for now | 22:23 |
| knome | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicsApplications | 22:24 |
| knome | has some potentially interesting links about licensing | 22:24 |
| slickymaster | yeah, gamers are more than many | 22:24 |
| slickymaster | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Programming, even though isn't touched since 2012 is a keeper imo | 22:26 |
| knome | oh | 22:26 |
| knome | i just redirected it | 22:26 |
| knome | i think it had a lot of babble | 22:26 |
| slickymaster | well the IDEs mentioned there are pretty much what's still used these days | 22:27 |
| knome | do you think it's worth reverting? | 22:27 |
| * knome shrugs | 22:27 | |
| knome | libreoffice is still used today, but i still redirected the office page | 22:27 |
| slickymaster | where did you redirect the programming one? | 22:28 |
| knome | the main applications page | 22:28 |
| slickymaster | to where, that is | 22:28 |
| knome | as all the others | 22:28 |
| slickymaster | ok, don't revert it tehn | 22:28 |
| slickymaster | * then | 22:29 |
| * slickymaster is still waiting to loginb | 22:29 | |
| knome | ouch | 22:29 |
| slickymaster | after all this time: Internal Server Error | 22:31 |
| * slickymaster reloads | 22:31 | |
| knome | hah | 22:31 |
| slickymaster | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers is wat too extensive | 22:33 |
| slickymaster | s/wat/way | 22:33 |
| knome | wat? | 22:33 |
| knome | heh | 22:33 |
| knome | is there something to keep? | 22:33 |
| slickymaster | on that one knome? | 22:33 |
| knome | yes | 22:33 |
| slickymaster | I can only answer regarding what I do know knome | 22:34 |
| * knome looks | 22:34 | |
| slickymaster | most of the stuff is unknown to me | 22:34 |
| slickymaster | in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers#Database I'd keep everything | 22:35 |
| knome | well i mean | 22:35 |
| knome | those are available in packages.ubuntu.com if you search for databases, right? | 22:35 |
| slickymaster | not all | 22:35 |
| knome | aha.. | 22:35 |
| knome | like what isnt? | 22:35 |
| slickymaster | I believe Ingres isn't | 22:36 |
| knome | yeah, that page is from 2009 | 22:36 |
| slickymaster | PostgresSQL alno not, I think | 22:36 |
| knome | most be useful :) | 22:36 |
| knome | no? | 22:36 |
| knome | !info postresql | 22:36 |
| knome | no ubottu | 22:36 |
| slickymaster | It isn't knome | 22:37 |
| slickymaster | i checked | 22:37 |
| knome | aha | 22:37 |
| knome | then maybe that is worth keeping | 22:37 |
| knome | but then it becomes cherry-picking | 22:38 |
| slickymaster | yes | 22:38 |
| slickymaster | Oracle 1o g also isn't and should be kept | 22:38 |
| slickymaster | I work with it, is a dam good database | 22:38 |
| slickymaster | *damn | 22:39 |
| knome | :D | 22:39 |
| slickymaster | well, that page is really one to be cherry-picking | 22:39 |
| slickymaster | I'll do it while you do something else | 22:39 |
| knome | yeah, i'm working on the main page | 22:39 |
| knome | ...still | 22:39 |
| slickymaster | no I get a Proxy Error | 22:40 |
| slickymaster | I'm unable to login | 22:40 |
| slickymaster | Reason: Error reading from remote server | 22:40 |
| knome | :D | 22:40 |
| knome | so | 22:43 |
| knome | you are saying that we should keep the links to any software that isn't in the repositories? | 22:43 |
| slickymaster | yes | 22:43 |
| knome | okay | 22:43 |
| knome | then you might want to scour the pages i redirected | 22:43 |
| knome | i don't think there were many, but... | 22:43 |
| knome | and may i ask | 22:44 |
| knome | while i understand the logic for keeping those | 22:44 |
| knome | what's the goal? | 22:44 |
| slickymaster | making people know they they're usable in *buntu sor starters knome | 22:44 |
| knome | but we can't test that | 22:45 |
| knome | and even if somebody tested that, it might have been in 2009 | 22:45 |
| slickymaster | me neither, just a few | 22:45 |
| knome | maybe the application is not maintained since 2010 | 22:45 |
| slickymaster | those are maintained for sure, what we're not sure is if *bubtu still manages to accept some of them | 22:46 |
| knome | yeah | 22:46 |
| slickymaster | *buntu ecosystem | 22:46 |
| knome | so what's the goal? | 22:46 |
| knome | you said to let people know they are usable for ubuntu | 22:46 |
| knome | but... we don't know | 22:46 |
| slickymaster | don't know how to answer that from another point of view tbh | 22:46 |
| slickymaster | I see, and agree, with your point knome | 22:47 |
| slickymaster | and truth is the only way to circumvent this doubt is almost impossible | 22:48 |
| slickymaster | unless we go door to door asking | 22:48 |
| knome | yep | 22:48 |
| knome | and that means constant work if we want to keep the wiki up-to-date | 22:48 |
| slickymaster | drop them | 22:49 |
| slickymaster | constant and insane | 22:49 |
| knome | yeah | 22:49 |
| knome | which is why i dropped the pages i did | 22:49 |
| knome | but | 22:49 |
| slickymaster | that's it, I'm unable to log in at the wiki | 22:49 |
| knome | there's a point with keeping the server stuff | 22:49 |
| slickymaster | but not the web applications | 22:50 |
| knome | the point is, that page has links to actual guides on doing something else than just introduce the apps | 22:50 |
| knome | yeah... | 22:50 |
| slickymaster | for the same reason as above | 22:50 |
| * slickymaster agrees with the server | 22:50 | |
| slickymaster | stuff | 22:50 |
| knome | so what we should have | 22:51 |
| knome | is a tutorial landing page | 22:51 |
| slickymaster | yes, the wat we're thinking it, yes | 22:52 |
| slickymaster | Damn s/wat/way | 22:52 |
| knome | haha | 22:53 |
| slickymaster | I'm becoming elfy... with fat fingers | 22:53 |
| knome | haha | 22:53 |
| knome | ;) | 22:53 |
| knome | don't tell elfy he has fat fingers | 22:53 |
| slickymaster | I know | 22:53 |
| knome | so, what did we achieve at the front pge :P | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | nothing much yet | 22:55 |
| knome | yeah... | 22:55 |
| slickymaster | \o/ logged in | 22:56 |
| knome | haha, great | 22:56 |
| slickymaster | going to take care of the links page | 22:57 |
| knome | nice | 22:57 |
| knome | slickymaster, feeling lucky? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecommendedApplications | 23:09 |
| knome | do we want to keep that? | 23:09 |
| knome | i would drop it... | 23:10 |
| slickymaster | so would I | 23:10 |
| knome | doing that | 23:10 |
| slickymaster | now that I'm logged I can't open the page for edit | 23:11 |
| slickymaster | :P | 23:11 |
| knome | lol | 23:11 |
| knome | see the apps main page | 23:11 |
| slickymaster | in the Apllications Guide section the numbered list is wrong knome | 23:12 |
| knome | it's not | 23:12 |
| knome | it's two lists | 23:12 |
| knome | the latter one is WIP | 23:12 |
| slickymaster | oh | 23:12 |
| knome | practically i'd like to drop most of it anyway | 23:13 |
| knome | you might have noticed i turned the front page stuff around a bit | 23:23 |
| slickymaster | haven't yet | 23:31 |
| * knome sighs | 23:33 | |
| knome | maybe the world is a tiny bit better place now | 23:33 |
| knome | or then not | 23:33 |
| slickymaster | ok knome, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResourcesLinks is ready | 23:34 |
| * knome checks | 23:35 | |
| slickymaster | let me check the front page | 23:35 |
| knome | ok, looks good to me | 23:35 |
| knome | now let's forward the other pages to that page | 23:35 |
| slickymaster | you moved the applications to the first table | 23:35 |
| knome | yep | 23:35 |
| slickymaster | which is the proper place for it tbh | 23:35 |
| knome | and switched glossary/other resources boxes | 23:36 |
| slickymaster | yes, noticing that now | 23:36 |
| knome | also dropped several topics to the "further topics" table | 23:36 |
| knome | which is the crappety-crap dumpster now | 23:36 |
| knome | i mean :P | 23:36 |
| knome | the place for random links of course | 23:36 |
| slickymaster | and there are tons of those | 23:37 |
| knome | yeah | 23:37 |
| knome | there are even more that just aren't visible | 23:37 |
| knome | i guess the next useful thing | 23:37 |
| knome | would be to "find" all landing pages | 23:37 |
| knome | for whatever subject | 23:37 |
| knome | like mac support | 23:37 |
| knome | and start listing those in the front page | 23:37 |
| slickymaster | maybe we could engage krytarik to help us with that | 23:38 |
| knome | why not | 23:38 |
| slickymaster | if he'd be willing to | 23:38 |
| knome | everybody should help with that | 23:39 |
| knome | and we should send an email about that to the list | 23:39 |
| slickymaster | let me see if he's still around | 23:39 |
| slickymaster | knome are you going to forward the other pages to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResourcesLinks | 23:40 |
| knome | or maybe we should make Links the mainpage | 23:41 |
| knome | and redirect the rest there | 23:41 |
| knome | what do you think? | 23:41 |
| slickymaster | tbh honest not sure what would be best | 23:42 |
| knome | links is shortest | 23:42 |
| knome | if we're going to redirect everything to one page anyway... | 23:42 |
| slickymaster | go with that then | 23:42 |
| knome | ok, shuffling | 23:42 |
| knome | done | 23:45 |
| * slickymaster checks | 23:46 | |
| slickymaster | before doing that knome, I was taking a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Glossary | 23:46 |
| knome | yes? | 23:46 |
| slickymaster | and noticed that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuncanLithgow (in the contributors at the bottom) doesn't exist | 23:47 |
| slickymaster | maybe I could remove it from there | 23:47 |
| knome | imo, the whole glossary page is... a bit in vain | 23:47 |
| knome | but we can keep it | 23:47 |
| knome | and you can definitely remove that note | 23:47 |
| slickymaster | oki | 23:47 |
| slickymaster | it's seems ok | 23:49 |
| knome | the links page could have some kind of intro | 23:49 |
| slickymaster | your shuffling | 23:49 |
| knome | of course it's ok! :P | 23:49 |
| slickymaster | lol | 23:49 |
| slickymaster | yeah, the current one is too 'in-your-face' | 23:50 |
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