| crepple | ali1234 We were the kids of farmers and farm workers. Like I said it probably wasn't anything like that in London | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | fair enough | 00:01 |
| daftykins | crepple: what took you down to Jersey then? :) | 00:01 |
| crepple | Now you kow I'm a bumpkin :) | 00:01 |
| crepple | daftykins haha | 00:01 |
| daftykins | you don't get as sheltered as me, born and bred rock dweller | 00:02 |
| crepple | daftykins Do you have the usual UK ISPs down on the Island? | 00:03 |
| daftykins | no sir, #1 telco was Guernsey Telecoms years ago, which then got bought by Cable and Wireless | 00:03 |
| daftykins | a while back they rebranded to 'Sure' and were bought most recently by a Bahraini company | 00:03 |
| crepple | I know they have terrible coverage on Man | 00:04 |
| crepple | Mind you we only just got Fibre here in Worcestershire | 00:04 |
| daftykins | we also have local reps of Jersey Telecom that operate a second telco - and also an Indian Firm i think operating as 'Airtel Vodafone' | 00:04 |
| crepple | It's an interesting setup then | 00:05 |
| daftykins | so that's the main 3 mobile providers, with Sure and JT providing landline + broadband services too | 00:05 |
| daftykins | but Sure have all the exchanges so the others only provide services through them, so to speak | 00:05 |
| daftykins | right now we have 20Mb down 1Mb up ADSL2+ and 40 down 5 up VDSL2+ across the island | 00:06 |
| crepple | Do you have 4G? We don't, not really, allegedly we do but we don't | 00:06 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: What does the VDSL2 actually get? | 00:06 |
| daftykins | penguin42: you mean real world download? gets the full 4MB/sec just fine | 00:06 |
| daftykins | in fact my phone line syncs at 50/20 | 00:06 |
| crepple | It's still copper but using it better I think, right daftykins? | 00:07 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Interesting, I know a lot of VDSL users on the mainland who never get anywhere near the full rate | 00:07 |
| daftykins | probably bad internal phone wiring i'd think in the most case | 00:07 |
| daftykins | crepple: yeah, copper on the last stretch but might be fibre backed | 00:07 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I know someone getting 10MB down/1MB up - no it's not internal, it's external the existing road wiring and distance from the fibre termination points | 00:07 |
| daftykins | i think most runs are just short enough to the exchanges to be a decent speed without any roadside cabinet shenanigans | 00:07 |
| daftykins | penguin42: ah that's unlucky | 00:08 |
| daftykins | i wonder if they live in one of those nasty areas with copper coated aluminium lines | 00:08 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: No, it's just crap BT installations | 00:08 |
| penguin42 | not sure if it's CCA or not | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | i get 1MB down and 0.1MB up | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | on ADSL2+ | 00:09 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: What is that? Smoke signals?! | 00:09 |
| daftykins | ouch! | 00:09 |
| daftykins | how do you cope? i'd move :P | 00:09 |
| crepple | We get 76mb/s according to BT, but right here, going into my computer varies between 40 and 55 | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | and it's not my internal wiring either | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | because i disconnected it all to test | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | i just don't have any great need for high speed internet | 00:10 |
| daftykins | what's amazing is Jersey used to be ahead of us, but now we have FUP free services and they're lagging behind | 00:10 |
| daftykins | with all kinds of extra charges for data usage in peak rate hours | 00:11 |
| crepple | ali1234 I used to think that, but then I ditched Sky and started relying on IP tv services and I probably do now | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | according to the BT estimate i "should" get 2MB down and 0.5MB up | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | 1MB is enough for streaming video | 00:11 |
| daftykins | so 20/5 megabits? | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | right | 00:11 |
| crepple | ali1234 Yeah I guess, but there are five people living here (we can't get the kids out) | 00:12 |
| daftykins | i can barely tolerate sharing with myself | 00:13 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | i only watch tv and films when they are on freeview | 00:13 |
| crepple | It is nice to be able to download distros in a few minutes - it's made me into a distro hopper of sorts. | 00:14 |
| crepple | ali1234 I'm not really the TV watcher. My extravagance is a Pure Contour WiFi radio | 00:14 |
| daftykins | cor yeah i used to hoard downloads on my file server all the time, now i just go straight online | 00:14 |
| daftykins | unless i already have them of course, i don't hit mirrors repeatedly for the same ISOs :> | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | i actually do that | 00:15 |
| shauno | 150meg and I'm still a hoarder :/ | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | i always have to delete ISOs and then end up downloading them again | 00:15 |
| daftykins | shauno: :D | 00:16 |
| * daftykins looks at the 10TB RAID | 00:16 | |
| daftykins | in many ways i see my setup as a legacy from the pre-netflix (and its' ilk) era | 00:16 |
| crepple | shauno ali1234 I'm somewhere in the middle. I save the ones I like. I wanted to try Unity Linux but by the time I got around to it, it's dormant - shame - it's a nice idea | 00:17 |
| shauno | nice ideas don't make distros .. the ability to herd cats makes distros | 00:18 |
| crepple | shauno Funny you should say that. An awful lot of stuff doesn't really work in Unity. You'd have to be alot more of a tinkerer than me to live with it | 00:19 |
| crepple | That's why I stick with the Debian branches, they are very reliable | 00:20 |
| daftykins | i just don't understand how you find the programs if you don't know their names | 00:20 |
| daftykins | the rare times i'm in a unity live session, i feel like i'm in Windows with the Super+R run dialogue box, not knowing the executable names | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Linux | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | not unity desktop | 00:20 |
| daftykins | but i've not touched it much to know | 00:20 |
| daftykins | oh | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | and not the 3d engine either | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | but i do agree | 00:21 |
| daftykins | my bad :D | 00:21 |
| crepple | daftykins Ah sorry. I meant Unity Linux - based on Mageia - it's another distro - maybe Ubuntu stamped on them for using that name LOL | 00:21 |
| daftykins | the game engine but is always confusing me too | 00:22 |
| daftykins | so that's 3 things with the same name D: | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | there are some more | 00:22 |
| crepple | there was a 70s Jazz group with that name too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_Unity_Orchestra - I liked them :) | 00:23 |
| crepple | Ok that's a bit of stretch. They only had Unity in their name :) | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | hehe this is proper crazy jazz | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | is that guy screaming into a piano? | 00:26 |
| shauno | I don't see anyone screaming on the wiki page? | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uMhfDPDjKU | 00:28 |
| daftykins | Ray Charles in the Blues Brothers: I'll sell you boys this piano for $1,500... hell i'm so nice, i'll throw in the black keys for free! | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | 2 minutes in | 00:28 |
| daftykins | that's an impressive horn | 00:29 |
| shauno | I wonder if he's plucking the strings or such? | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | no, he's just yelling | 00:29 |
| shauno | it does look like he's been hit with sea sickness though. odd one. I think that's a little too "free" for me :) | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | later he starts hitting all the keys with a plank | 00:29 |
| crepple | Some very famous jazzers started their | 00:30 |
| shauno | the sax solo at 3:14 is 'interesting' too | 00:30 |
| daftykins | wow, i've not heard one redeeming note yet | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | this is the type of jazz that people think of when they say they don't like jazz | 00:31 |
| shauno | hm, usually I'd be thinking of 'hold music' in such a context | 00:31 |
| crepple | ali1234 that's true - I think there's adirect line from their to lightning bolt | 00:31 |
| daftykins | if you used this as hold music, you'd never get any calls | 00:32 |
| * daftykins takes notes | 00:32 | |
| shauno | I'm still not sure if that was meant to be a solo, or if everyone else just stopped to stare | 00:32 |
| crepple | daftykins it's real Marmite stuff I know. No conventional musical structure at all. Punk was quite traditional by comparison | 00:33 |
| daftykins | i love my dads comments on Punk "why do they seem in such a hurry to get the song over?" | 00:33 |
| crepple | I hold my hands up and admit I like some very challenging music :) | 00:34 |
| crepple | I like Otis Redding too though :) | 00:34 |
| daftykins | hmm at 6:15 he's beating all the keys on the piano with a large block of wood | 00:35 |
| shauno | well, that was interesting. it made Screamin' Jay Hawkins look .. normal | 00:35 |
| crepple | Nowadays I'm more into Theo Parrish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKzRhhMlaQ I've evolved :) | 00:36 |
| daftykins | i've stopped at 8:06 | 00:36 |
| daftykins | trying now... | 00:37 |
| daftykins | i'll say one thing for Globe Unity... my cat didn't leave the room | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | well speaking of challenging music, today i discovered The Hell. it's far too profane to even link here. but one of the songs contains the genius lines "if you want my last rolo / me and you go solo / this ain't no turkish delight / let's fight" | 00:39 |
| crepple | My dog has, but I know she'd gone to bed. She always goes up around this time | 00:39 |
| crepple | ali1234 that is clever | 00:39 |
| crepple | daftykins See you thought we were all into flower power back then :) | 00:40 |
| daftykins | ah my parents were much into the metal scene, so i didn't even encounter that side of it | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | oh this is a song from 2014 | 00:41 |
| crepple | The closest I got to metal was Cream and The Velvets heavy period | 00:41 |
| crepple | Jimi Hendrix isn't really metal is he? I was really into his stuff | 00:42 |
| ali1234 | it's even funnier that they're making incredibly dated references to 80s advert campaigns that most of their audience have never heard of | 00:42 |
| daftykins | i always found genre pigeon holing tough :D | 00:42 |
| daftykins | holing 0o holeing? i don't even... | 00:43 |
| ali1234 | metal didn't really exist back then... those guys kind of invented it | 00:43 |
| crepple | Talking of new things. I discovered Darktable and Xara Xtreme today. Are those apps highlighted in the software centre? They should be. I don't see the SC very often. I regressed to xfce | 00:49 |
| ali1234 | darktable is | 00:49 |
| crepple | That's good. It's so good at what it does. | 00:50 |
| daftykins | what are these? :) | 00:51 |
| crepple | And I'm sorry to say but Xara is better than Inkscape, in most ways. Nothing is better in every way of course. | 00:51 |
| crepple | Graphics apps | 00:51 |
| daftykins | ah | 00:51 |
| penguin42 | crepple: Does Xara still work? | 00:52 |
| penguin42 | it's years since I've heard of it | 00:52 |
| crepple | Yeah | 00:52 |
| penguin42 | I think the code was originally from Artworks on the Archimedes wasn't it? | 00:52 |
| penguin42 | or at least the guys who did it | 00:52 |
| crepple | Might well be | 00:52 |
| crepple | It's very new to me | 00:52 |
| penguin42 | it's been around for decades but never really looked finished to me | 00:53 |
| crepple | I suppose something is good if it does what you need at the time. So it was good for me | 00:54 |
| crepple | I was just reading the history penguin42 - I think you're right | 00:54 |
| penguin42 | crepple: Artworks was pretty incredible for pretty graphical stuff - lots of fine shading etc on vector designs; | 00:55 |
| crepple | penguin42 it's dispiriting in one way. It hasn't been updated since 2008 and yet the tracing is so much better than Inkscape; it really shouldn't be | 00:58 |
| penguin42 | crepple: The guys who did it were pretty good, I guess if you can figure out the algorithm and port to inkscape a lot of people would be happy | 00:59 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:59 |
| crepple | penguin42 I'd like that. I feel an affinity to Inkscape. I donated to them once or twice | 01:00 |
| daftykins | argh here we are one hour ahead now, clocks changed | 01:01 |
| shauno | oh sneaky beggars | 01:02 |
| crepple | Damn. I forgot that. I really ought to go to bed. | 01:02 |
| daftykins | :( | 01:02 |
| daftykins | g'night sir o/ | 01:02 |
| crepple | Goodnight | 01:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | early start changing all the clocks around the house.. :-) | 01:02 |
| shauno | nah. that's for stuff that worship at the temple of old & crusty. I don't have anything that doesn't do itself :) | 01:03 |
| daftykins | i have a fridge and an oven that most likely will be disagreeing | 01:04 |
| daftykins | somehow the fridge always races ahead in only a week, too | 01:04 |
| shauno | why on earth does your fridge have a clock? | 01:04 |
| daftykins | yeah, i wondered that | 01:04 |
| daftykins | worse yet, i was there late at night once and saw it actually marquee scrolling the date | 01:04 |
| daftykins | which as i'd never seen it had one, was set to 1980 | 01:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have an old vcr that i haven't disposed off yet that gets the date and time from teletext. however it checks once a week at 12am. so it's wrong for a week when the clocks shift | 01:06 |
| penguin42 | it gets it from teletext ? You've still got teletext? | 01:09 |
| daftykins | yeah isn't that all dead? | 01:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | no, when i bought it 15+ years ago it did. no analog signal here anymore. haven't had a tv to connect it to for about 5 years | 01:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | i do miss teletext though as it was a fairly decent service | 01:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | lots of information onhand for no datacharges | 01:11 |
| daftykins | i used to hate the way you'd pick a page and it seemed to always hit the one after, then take a while to cycle through the 100 again :> | 01:11 |
| penguin42 | yes and it was much more per page than the current system | 01:12 |
| daftykins | remember those "infobursts" they used to broadcast at the end of programs, especially nature ones? :) | 01:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | and hoping your freezeframe of it would be readable | 01:12 |
| daftykins | hehehe | 01:13 |
| daftykins | head cleaning tapes at the ready | 01:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | or finding someone has taped over the last few minutes of a show... | 01:14 |
| daftykins | i bet my old man would still be trying to record films now if they had things wired up right | 01:14 |
| penguin42 | I think my dad still does | 01:18 |
| daftykins | :) | 01:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | a proper top loading 80s vcr? :-) | 01:21 |
| daftykins | my parents early JVC was a formidable thing, i can still hear its' series of noises as it went through the motions of most commands | 01:22 |
| daftykins | probably still working today too | 01:22 |
| shauno | still banging on this api thing. having no idea what I'm going isn't always a good thing :/ | 01:41 |
| daftykins | you can do it! | 02:00 |
| shauno | I've finally got to the point where it loads the playlist into a page. and clicking on a track plays it. | 02:12 |
| shauno | I woudl say 'baby steps', but thanks to the current obsession with getting 'code' into schools, even toddlers laugh at my attempts at python | 02:13 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 02:21 |
| daftykins | don't worry, if you knew my coding experience you'd cry blood tears | 02:21 |
| shauno | hm. I'm blaming the time change for it being 5am | 03:56 |
| mappps | hi all | 04:00 |
| === mappps is now known as mapps | ||
| daftykins | heya | 04:03 |
| daftykins | shauno: totally | 04:03 |
| daftykins | saw it at 1am but they can prove nothing! | 04:03 |
| mapps | still not got this proxypass working | 04:03 |
| mapps | and i really dont see why..ive read the mod_proxy and proxypass pages | 04:03 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/dr96kfthy2iqyx1/TheBluesBrothers.mkv?dl=0 | 04:04 |
| mapps | http://parrots.zapto.org is the site .. qwebirc running on the same host on 9090 localhost:9090 - setup a ProxyPass /qweb http:/localhost:9090 and also ProxyPassReverse /qweb http://localhost:9090 | 04:04 |
| mapps | any ideas?:( | 04:04 |
| daftykins | i don't have a clue what that is | 04:05 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:39 |
| SuperEngineer | Yestrday morning I realised the new Formula1.com live timing no longer requires java... yesterday afternoon I finally removed java from my pooter... I feel so clean!! | 09:43 |
| knightwise | morning | 10:20 |
| * penguin42 yaaaawwwwnnnns - who stole our hour! | 11:35 | |
| knightwise | afternoon peeps | 12:51 |
| * penguin42 yawns at knightwise | 12:51 | |
| knightwise | hey penguin42 , how are you dude ! | 12:54 |
| * penguin42 still trying to wake up at 2pm :-) | 12:55 | |
| knightwise | haha .. thats rich | 12:55 |
| knightwise | been playing around with the 15.04 beta | 12:55 |
| penguin42 | yeh that's running on here | 12:56 |
| knightwise | want to see if I can get the NEXT interface working on my Surface pro 1 , | 12:56 |
| penguin42 | openstep or something? | 12:57 |
| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| knightwise | well ,if possible , the touch/windowed interface | 13:06 |
| Sebsebsebb | Hi | 13:23 |
| Sebsebsebb | Popey ping | 13:24 |
| === victoria is now known as vickleton | ||
| ENRU | what is the command to show hidden startup applications | 15:49 |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| ChloeWolfieGirl | Meow m | 16:44 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | I meant to backspace and delete, pressed enter... oh well | 16:44 |
| MartijnVdS | also, hu | 16:45 |
| MartijnVdS | hi | 16:45 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| zmoylan-pi | ctrl-a ctrl-e and ctrl-u are your friends for console based irc clients :-) | 16:54 |
| * ChloeWolfieGirl uses Xchat-Gnome irc | 17:30 | |
| diddledan | has something changed at any point to cause /etc/init.d scripts that are symlinked into /etc/rc3.d (and others) correctly using `update-rc.d foo defaults` or similar incantation to fail to start on reboob? | 19:36 |
| diddledan | it seems it just doesn't start hhvm for e.g. | 19:36 |
| diddledan | (hhvm is shipped from upstream in .deb packages with /etc/init.d script and not /etc/init script) | 19:37 |
| daubers | Someone put the kettle on | 19:43 |
| diddledan | did they? | 19:43 |
| elfy | yes | 19:43 |
| daubers | Please can someone do so | 19:43 |
| diddledan | aah | 19:44 |
| daubers | pls be delivering me tea pls | 19:44 |
| daubers | much thanks | 19:44 |
| * diddledan throws tea at daubers | 19:46 | |
| daubers | :( | 19:46 |
| daubers | what a waste of good tea | 19:46 |
| diddledan | TEAFIGHT | 19:46 |
| daubers | What are you? American? | 19:46 |
| diddledan | no they just dump it in the sea | 19:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | if it's tea in pressed brick format it's still usable | 19:47 |
| shauno | I mounted my camera on my roomba because I was bored. now I have to mop under the couches :( | 19:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | but you now have sentry #1... | 19:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | just a few scripts to send images to your email if it detects movement... | 19:52 |
| shauno | it more had me thinking I need to mount a duster ontop of the roomba so it can reach the skirting boards | 19:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | a spinning feather duster as it moves along the boundaries | 20:03 |
| daftykins | shauno: did y'see the tale of the poor Korean lass that had her hair eaten by one? | 20:08 |
| daftykins | she unwittingly had a nap on the floor whilst the little guy was on patrol | 20:08 |
| daftykins | cue robotic: "OM NOM NOM" | 20:09 |
| diddledan | shauno: what about a spinning blade of doom? | 20:10 |
| diddledan | daftykins: if only it had had a spinning blade of doom! | 20:11 |
| daftykins | diddledan: Indiana Jones and the Roomba of doom | 20:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | add a self righting mechanism and robot wars can have a whole new class roomba warriors... | 20:13 |
| daftykins | 8D | 20:13 |
| daftykins | doubles up with cleaning the arena floor, magic | 20:13 |
| * daftykins installs Windows 10 TP build 10041 | 20:14 | |
| daftykins | ugh at not being available as an ISO | 20:14 |
| shauno | I dunno about spinning .. I want it to pick stuff up, not chuck it :) | 20:15 |
| diddledan | but blade of dooooom! | 20:16 |
| shauno | no blades .. it's at cable-height lol | 20:16 |
| diddledan | even more fun | 20:16 |
| daftykins | for anyone that watches Archer, i'm suddenly seeing a connection between diddledan and Krieger | 20:17 |
| * daftykins squints | 20:17 | |
| daftykins | actions which have not been my best moments: aiming my laptops fan vent toward my thermostat 0o | 20:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | leaving floppies on stereo speakers o/ | 20:26 |
| diddledan | fool | 20:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | i had left my audio cassettes with spectrum games there all the time | 20:48 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| daftykins | diddledan: can you draw a recycle bin? https://www.dropbox.com/s/96x7rs3f9kx61kr/win10.PNG?dl=0 | 22:43 |
| m0nkey_ | are them the new icons on Windows 10? | 22:44 |
| daftykins | m0nkey_: yeah, thus far at least. given it's a tech preview and subject to change | 23:23 |
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