[00:00] ali1234 We were the kids of farmers and farm workers. Like I said it probably wasn't anything like that in London [00:01] fair enough [00:01] crepple: what took you down to Jersey then? :) [00:01] Now you kow I'm a bumpkin :) [00:01] daftykins haha [00:02] you don't get as sheltered as me, born and bred rock dweller [00:03] daftykins Do you have the usual UK ISPs down on the Island? [00:03] no sir, #1 telco was Guernsey Telecoms years ago, which then got bought by Cable and Wireless [00:03] a while back they rebranded to 'Sure' and were bought most recently by a Bahraini company [00:04] I know they have terrible coverage on Man [00:04] Mind you we only just got Fibre here in Worcestershire [00:04] we also have local reps of Jersey Telecom that operate a second telco - and also an Indian Firm i think operating as 'Airtel Vodafone' [00:05] It's an interesting setup then [00:05] so that's the main 3 mobile providers, with Sure and JT providing landline + broadband services too [00:05] but Sure have all the exchanges so the others only provide services through them, so to speak [00:06] right now we have 20Mb down 1Mb up ADSL2+ and 40 down 5 up VDSL2+ across the island [00:06] Do you have 4G? We don't, not really, allegedly we do but we don't [00:06] daftykins: What does the VDSL2 actually get? [00:06] penguin42: you mean real world download? gets the full 4MB/sec just fine [00:06] in fact my phone line syncs at 50/20 [00:07] It's still copper but using it better I think, right daftykins? [00:07] daftykins: Interesting, I know a lot of VDSL users on the mainland who never get anywhere near the full rate [00:07] probably bad internal phone wiring i'd think in the most case [00:07] crepple: yeah, copper on the last stretch but might be fibre backed [00:07] daftykins: I know someone getting 10MB down/1MB up - no it's not internal, it's external the existing road wiring and distance from the fibre termination points [00:07] i think most runs are just short enough to the exchanges to be a decent speed without any roadside cabinet shenanigans [00:08] penguin42: ah that's unlucky [00:08] i wonder if they live in one of those nasty areas with copper coated aluminium lines [00:08] daftykins: No, it's just crap BT installations [00:08] not sure if it's CCA or not [00:08] i get 1MB down and 0.1MB up [00:09] on ADSL2+ [00:09] ali1234: What is that? Smoke signals?! [00:09] ouch! [00:09] how do you cope? i'd move :P [00:09] We get 76mb/s according to BT, but right here, going into my computer varies between 40 and 55 [00:09] and it's not my internal wiring either [00:09] because i disconnected it all to test [00:10] i just don't have any great need for high speed internet [00:10] what's amazing is Jersey used to be ahead of us, but now we have FUP free services and they're lagging behind [00:11] with all kinds of extra charges for data usage in peak rate hours [00:11] ali1234 I used to think that, but then I ditched Sky and started relying on IP tv services and I probably do now [00:11] according to the BT estimate i "should" get 2MB down and 0.5MB up [00:11] 1MB is enough for streaming video [00:11] so 20/5 megabits? [00:11] right [00:12] ali1234 Yeah I guess, but there are five people living here (we can't get the kids out) [00:13] i can barely tolerate sharing with myself [00:13] :D [00:13] i only watch tv and films when they are on freeview [00:14] It is nice to be able to download distros in a few minutes - it's made me into a distro hopper of sorts. [00:14] ali1234 I'm not really the TV watcher. My extravagance is a Pure Contour WiFi radio [00:14] cor yeah i used to hoard downloads on my file server all the time, now i just go straight online [00:15] unless i already have them of course, i don't hit mirrors repeatedly for the same ISOs :> [00:15] i actually do that [00:15] 150meg and I'm still a hoarder :/ [00:15] i always have to delete ISOs and then end up downloading them again [00:16] shauno: :D [00:16] * daftykins looks at the 10TB RAID [00:16] in many ways i see my setup as a legacy from the pre-netflix (and its' ilk) era [00:17] shauno ali1234 I'm somewhere in the middle. I save the ones I like. I wanted to try Unity Linux but by the time I got around to it, it's dormant - shame - it's a nice idea [00:18] nice ideas don't make distros .. the ability to herd cats makes distros [00:19] shauno Funny you should say that. An awful lot of stuff doesn't really work in Unity. You'd have to be alot more of a tinkerer than me to live with it [00:20] That's why I stick with the Debian branches, they are very reliable [00:20] i just don't understand how you find the programs if you don't know their names [00:20] the rare times i'm in a unity live session, i feel like i'm in Windows with the Super+R run dialogue box, not knowing the executable names [00:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Linux [00:20] not unity desktop [00:20] but i've not touched it much to know [00:20] oh [00:21] and not the 3d engine either [00:21] but i do agree [00:21] my bad :D [00:21] daftykins Ah sorry. I meant Unity Linux - based on Mageia - it's another distro - maybe Ubuntu stamped on them for using that name LOL [00:22] the game engine but is always confusing me too [00:22] so that's 3 things with the same name D: [00:22] there are some more [00:23] there was a 70s Jazz group with that name too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_Unity_Orchestra - I liked them :) [00:25] Ok that's a bit of stretch. They only had Unity in their name :) [00:25] hehe this is proper crazy jazz [00:26] is that guy screaming into a piano? [00:28] I don't see anyone screaming on the wiki page? [00:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uMhfDPDjKU [00:28] Ray Charles in the Blues Brothers: I'll sell you boys this piano for $1,500... hell i'm so nice, i'll throw in the black keys for free! [00:28] 2 minutes in [00:29] that's an impressive horn [00:29] I wonder if he's plucking the strings or such? [00:29] no, he's just yelling [00:29] it does look like he's been hit with sea sickness though. odd one. I think that's a little too "free" for me :) [00:29] later he starts hitting all the keys with a plank [00:30] Some very famous jazzers started their [00:30] the sax solo at 3:14 is 'interesting' too [00:31] wow, i've not heard one redeeming note yet [00:31] this is the type of jazz that people think of when they say they don't like jazz [00:31] hm, usually I'd be thinking of 'hold music' in such a context [00:31] ali1234 that's true - I think there's adirect line from their to lightning bolt [00:32] if you used this as hold music, you'd never get any calls [00:32] * daftykins takes notes [00:32] I'm still not sure if that was meant to be a solo, or if everyone else just stopped to stare [00:33] daftykins it's real Marmite stuff I know. No conventional musical structure at all. Punk was quite traditional by comparison [00:33] i love my dads comments on Punk "why do they seem in such a hurry to get the song over?" [00:34] I hold my hands up and admit I like some very challenging music :) [00:34] I like Otis Redding too though :) [00:35] hmm at 6:15 he's beating all the keys on the piano with a large block of wood [00:35] well, that was interesting. it made Screamin' Jay Hawkins look .. normal [00:36] Nowadays I'm more into Theo Parrish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKzRhhMlaQ I've evolved :) [00:36] i've stopped at 8:06 [00:37] trying now... [00:37] i'll say one thing for Globe Unity... my cat didn't leave the room [00:39] well speaking of challenging music, today i discovered The Hell. it's far too profane to even link here. but one of the songs contains the genius lines "if you want my last rolo / me and you go solo / this ain't no turkish delight / let's fight" [00:39] My dog has, but I know she'd gone to bed. She always goes up around this time [00:39] ali1234 that is clever [00:40] daftykins See you thought we were all into flower power back then :) [00:41] ah my parents were much into the metal scene, so i didn't even encounter that side of it [00:41] oh this is a song from 2014 [00:41] The closest I got to metal was Cream and The Velvets heavy period [00:42] Jimi Hendrix isn't really metal is he? I was really into his stuff [00:42] it's even funnier that they're making incredibly dated references to 80s advert campaigns that most of their audience have never heard of [00:42] i always found genre pigeon holing tough :D [00:43] holing 0o holeing? i don't even... [00:43] metal didn't really exist back then... those guys kind of invented it [00:49] Talking of new things. I discovered Darktable and Xara Xtreme today. Are those apps highlighted in the software centre? They should be. I don't see the SC very often. I regressed to xfce [00:49] darktable is [00:50] That's good. It's so good at what it does. [00:51] what are these? :) [00:51] And I'm sorry to say but Xara is better than Inkscape, in most ways. Nothing is better in every way of course. [00:51] Graphics apps [00:51] ah [00:52] crepple: Does Xara still work? [00:52] it's years since I've heard of it [00:52] Yeah [00:52] I think the code was originally from Artworks on the Archimedes wasn't it? [00:52] or at least the guys who did it [00:52] Might well be [00:52] It's very new to me [00:53] it's been around for decades but never really looked finished to me [00:54] I suppose something is good if it does what you need at the time. So it was good for me [00:54] I was just reading the history penguin42 - I think you're right [00:55] crepple: Artworks was pretty incredible for pretty graphical stuff - lots of fine shading etc on vector designs; [00:58] penguin42 it's dispiriting in one way. It hasn't been updated since 2008 and yet the tracing is so much better than Inkscape; it really shouldn't be [00:59] crepple: The guys who did it were pretty good, I guess if you can figure out the algorithm and port to inkscape a lot of people would be happy [00:59] :D [01:00] penguin42 I'd like that. I feel an affinity to Inkscape. I donated to them once or twice [01:01] argh here we are one hour ahead now, clocks changed [01:02] oh sneaky beggars [01:02] Damn. I forgot that. I really ought to go to bed. [01:02] :( [01:02] g'night sir o/ [01:02] Goodnight [01:02] early start changing all the clocks around the house.. :-) [01:03] nah. that's for stuff that worship at the temple of old & crusty. I don't have anything that doesn't do itself :) [01:04] i have a fridge and an oven that most likely will be disagreeing [01:04] somehow the fridge always races ahead in only a week, too [01:04] why on earth does your fridge have a clock? [01:04] yeah, i wondered that [01:04] worse yet, i was there late at night once and saw it actually marquee scrolling the date [01:05] which as i'd never seen it had one, was set to 1980 [01:06] i have an old vcr that i haven't disposed off yet that gets the date and time from teletext. however it checks once a week at 12am. so it's wrong for a week when the clocks shift [01:09] it gets it from teletext ? You've still got teletext? [01:10] yeah isn't that all dead? [01:10] no, when i bought it 15+ years ago it did. no analog signal here anymore. haven't had a tv to connect it to for about 5 years [01:11] i do miss teletext though as it was a fairly decent service [01:11] lots of information onhand for no datacharges [01:11] i used to hate the way you'd pick a page and it seemed to always hit the one after, then take a while to cycle through the 100 again :> [01:12] yes and it was much more per page than the current system [01:12] remember those "infobursts" they used to broadcast at the end of programs, especially nature ones? :) [01:12] and hoping your freezeframe of it would be readable [01:13] hehehe [01:13] head cleaning tapes at the ready [01:14] or finding someone has taped over the last few minutes of a show... [01:14] i bet my old man would still be trying to record films now if they had things wired up right [01:18] I think my dad still does [01:18] :) [01:21] a proper top loading 80s vcr? :-) [01:22] my parents early JVC was a formidable thing, i can still hear its' series of noises as it went through the motions of most commands [01:22] probably still working today too [01:41] still banging on this api thing. having no idea what I'm going isn't always a good thing :/ [02:00] you can do it! [02:12] I've finally got to the point where it loads the playlist into a page. and clicking on a track plays it. [02:13] I woudl say 'baby steps', but thanks to the current obsession with getting 'code' into schools, even toddlers laugh at my attempts at python [02:21] d'aww [02:21] don't worry, if you knew my coding experience you'd cry blood tears [03:56] hm. I'm blaming the time change for it being 5am [04:00] hi all === mappps is now known as mapps [04:03] heya [04:03] shauno: totally [04:03] saw it at 1am but they can prove nothing! [04:03] still not got this proxypass working [04:03] and i really dont see why..ive read the mod_proxy and proxypass pages [04:04] https://www.dropbox.com/s/dr96kfthy2iqyx1/TheBluesBrothers.mkv?dl=0 [04:04] http://parrots.zapto.org is the site .. qwebirc running on the same host on 9090 localhost:9090 - setup a ProxyPass /qweb http:/localhost:9090 and also ProxyPassReverse /qweb http://localhost:9090 [04:04] any ideas?:( [04:05] i don't have a clue what that is === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:39] morning boys and girls. [09:43] Yestrday morning I realised the new Formula1.com live timing no longer requires java... yesterday afternoon I finally removed java from my pooter... I feel so clean!! [10:20] morning [11:35] * penguin42 yaaaawwwwnnnns - who stole our hour! [12:51] afternoon peeps [12:51] * penguin42 yawns at knightwise [12:54] hey penguin42 , how are you dude ! [12:55] * penguin42 still trying to wake up at 2pm :-) [12:55] haha .. thats rich [12:55] been playing around with the 15.04 beta [12:56] yeh that's running on here [12:56] want to see if I can get the NEXT interface working on my Surface pro 1 , [12:57] openstep or something? === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [13:06] well ,if possible , the touch/windowed interface [13:23] Hi [13:24] Popey ping === victoria is now known as vickleton [15:49] what is the command to show hidden startup applications === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [16:44] Meow m [16:44] I meant to backspace and delete, pressed enter... oh well [16:45] also, hu [16:45] hi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:54] ctrl-a ctrl-e and ctrl-u are your friends for console based irc clients :-) [17:30] * ChloeWolfieGirl uses Xchat-Gnome irc [19:36] has something changed at any point to cause /etc/init.d scripts that are symlinked into /etc/rc3.d (and others) correctly using `update-rc.d foo defaults` or similar incantation to fail to start on reboob? [19:36] it seems it just doesn't start hhvm for e.g. [19:37] (hhvm is shipped from upstream in .deb packages with /etc/init.d script and not /etc/init script) [19:43] Someone put the kettle on [19:43] did they? [19:43] yes [19:43] Please can someone do so [19:44] aah [19:44] pls be delivering me tea pls [19:44] much thanks [19:46] * diddledan throws tea at daubers [19:46] :( [19:46] what a waste of good tea [19:46] TEAFIGHT [19:46] What are you? American? [19:47] no they just dump it in the sea [19:47] if it's tea in pressed brick format it's still usable [19:48] I mounted my camera on my roomba because I was bored. now I have to mop under the couches :( [19:49] but you now have sentry #1... [19:52] just a few scripts to send images to your email if it detects movement... [19:55] it more had me thinking I need to mount a duster ontop of the roomba so it can reach the skirting boards [20:03] a spinning feather duster as it moves along the boundaries [20:08] shauno: did y'see the tale of the poor Korean lass that had her hair eaten by one? [20:08] she unwittingly had a nap on the floor whilst the little guy was on patrol [20:09] cue robotic: "OM NOM NOM" [20:10] shauno: what about a spinning blade of doom? [20:11] daftykins: if only it had had a spinning blade of doom! [20:12] diddledan: Indiana Jones and the Roomba of doom [20:13] add a self righting mechanism and robot wars can have a whole new class roomba warriors... [20:13] 8D [20:13] doubles up with cleaning the arena floor, magic [20:14] * daftykins installs Windows 10 TP build 10041 [20:14] ugh at not being available as an ISO [20:15] I dunno about spinning .. I want it to pick stuff up, not chuck it :) [20:16] but blade of dooooom! [20:16] no blades .. it's at cable-height lol [20:16] even more fun [20:17] for anyone that watches Archer, i'm suddenly seeing a connection between diddledan and Krieger [20:17] * daftykins squints [20:20] actions which have not been my best moments: aiming my laptops fan vent toward my thermostat 0o [20:26] leaving floppies on stereo speakers o/ [20:27] fool [20:48] i had left my audio cassettes with spectrum games there all the time === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:43] diddledan: can you draw a recycle bin? https://www.dropbox.com/s/96x7rs3f9kx61kr/win10.PNG?dl=0 [22:44] are them the new icons on Windows 10? [23:23] m0nkey_: yeah, thus far at least. given it's a tech preview and subject to change