[00:10] Hello guys can you help with a small issue i have? [00:17] Spyidonas: I going to sleep, but just ask your question and if people can help, maybe they will (once they see it, have patience...) [00:17] its a pretty simple one , i followed this guide http://www.krizna.com/ubuntu/setup-mail-server-ubuntu-14-04/ [00:18] mail server and simple... [00:18] <_< [00:18] but now i want to update the certificate , i change the lines about the keys inside my main.cf [00:18] but outlook doesnt recieve the new certificate [00:18] it keeps on getting the old one [00:18] did you restart? [00:19] does outlook 'caches' it? [00:19] yes [00:19] smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/key.crt [00:19] smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/issued/myserver.key [00:19] smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/key.ca-bundle [00:19] smtpd_use_tls = yes [00:19] smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes [00:19] is what my main.cf says. [00:21] postfix restarted and the whole server, my pc too [00:21] so you restarted both Postfix & Dovecot, and updated the keys in the right place(s)? [00:21] yeap [00:21] if the right place is only main.cf [00:22] (according to this tutorial its the only place) [00:24] Dovecot? [00:25] read the manuals for both Postfix & Dovecot [00:25] no, you think it has settings for that? [00:25] ok [00:25] and maybe also Outlook manuals [00:26] thanks JanC [00:31] Spyidonas: as verdeP indicated, mail servers aren't "simple", so it's important to understand the mail server(s) you run [00:33] JanC: Sure but that specific was simple , i fight with getting it to work 2 weeks now >_<, still Hotmail cuts off my email... [00:33] JanC: In the end i needed to add the new keys to dovecot ssl config file thing [00:34] JanC: I never understood why mail servers are so complicated :/ [00:34] its really too bad yeah [00:34] Hotmail isn't exactly an example of how to configure a mail server correctly... [00:35] neither is gmail [00:35] JanC: Yes but my emails are cutted by Hotmail they dont go in spam folder either, they are completly vanished [00:36] Spyidonas: so? [00:36] JanC: Gmail on the other hand recieves all my emails and after setting up dkim and the other dmarc thing and some txt things they dont go on the spam folder [00:37] JanC: So when i send to whoever owns a @outlook, @live account they never recieve anything. [00:37] I don't care [00:38] if their mail servers don't work right, their customers should move elsewhere [00:41] JanC: Good point, but imagine telling all your friends that Facebook is broken and they should move to Google+. Easy to say , not all of them will do it [00:42] I've never had a Facebook account ;) [00:42] but e-mail is based on standards [00:47] JanC: Apparently every company sets its own standards then, there are a bazillion of standars out there, some company accept all of them some part of them [00:48] JanC: In the email case, while dkim and dmarc are standars gmail choose to ignore them while some other will completly cut you off. You can't deny that DMARC is a standard either. [00:50] Spyidonas: actually, the problem is with companies which apply DMARC incorrectly and/or restrict their customers too strictly [00:51] JanC: Yeah its like CSS and HTML, its the standard sure, but noone implements them 100% or have their own version of the standard. [00:51] e.g. making it impossible to use mailing lists [00:52] Spyidonas: it's not like that [00:53] JanC: its all about the money... [00:53] it's companies purposely obstructing their customers [00:53] JanC: yeah, you cant even send a properly styled email these days [00:54] ewww text only pls [00:54] I prefer plain text mails ;-) [00:54] JanC++ [00:55] but styled mails should work if they have no external links... [00:55] and if really useful [00:56] JanC: well Gmail cuts of