[00:10] <Spyidonas> Hello guys can you help with a small issue i have?
[00:17] <JanC> Spyidonas: I going to sleep, but just ask your question and if people can help, maybe they will (once they see it, have patience...)
[00:17] <Spyidonas> its a pretty simple one , i followed this guide http://www.krizna.com/ubuntu/setup-mail-server-ubuntu-14-04/
[00:18] <verdeP> mail server and simple...
[00:18] <verdeP> <_<
[00:18] <Spyidonas> but now i want to update the certificate , i change the lines about the keys inside my main.cf
[00:18] <Spyidonas> but outlook doesnt recieve the new certificate
[00:18] <Spyidonas> it keeps on getting the old one
[00:18] <JanC> did you restart?
[00:19] <Spyidonas> does outlook 'caches' it?
[00:19] <Spyidonas> yes
[00:19] <Spyidonas> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/key.crt
[00:19] <Spyidonas> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/issued/myserver.key
[00:19] <Spyidonas> smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/key.ca-bundle
[00:19] <Spyidonas> smtpd_use_tls = yes
[00:19] <Spyidonas> smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes
[00:19] <Spyidonas> is what my main.cf says.
[00:21] <Spyidonas> postfix restarted and the whole server, my pc too
[00:21] <JanC> so you restarted both Postfix & Dovecot, and updated the keys in the right place(s)?
[00:21] <Spyidonas> yeap
[00:21] <Spyidonas> if the right place is only main.cf
[00:22] <Spyidonas> (according to this tutorial its the only place)
[00:24] <JanC> Dovecot?
[00:25] <JanC> read the manuals for both Postfix & Dovecot
[00:25] <Spyidonas> no, you think it has settings for that?
[00:25] <Spyidonas> ok
[00:25] <JanC> and maybe also Outlook manuals
[00:26] <Spyidonas> thanks JanC
[00:31] <JanC> Spyidonas: as verdeP indicated, mail servers aren't "simple", so it's important to understand the mail server(s) you run
[00:33] <Spyidonas> JanC: Sure but that specific was simple , i fight with getting it to work 2 weeks now >_<, still Hotmail cuts off my email...
[00:33] <Spyidonas> JanC: In the end i needed to add the new keys to dovecot ssl config file thing
[00:34] <Spyidonas> JanC: I never understood why mail servers are so complicated :/
[00:34] <verdeP> its really too bad yeah
[00:34] <JanC> Hotmail isn't exactly an example of how to configure a mail server correctly...
[00:35] <JanC> neither is gmail
[00:35] <Spyidonas> JanC: Yes but my emails are cutted by Hotmail they dont go in spam folder either, they are completly vanished
[00:36] <JanC> Spyidonas: so?
[00:36] <Spyidonas> JanC: Gmail on the other hand recieves all my emails and after setting up dkim and the other dmarc thing and some txt things they dont go on the spam folder
[00:37] <Spyidonas> JanC: So when i send to whoever owns a @outlook, @live account they never recieve anything.
[00:37] <JanC> I don't care
[00:38] <JanC> if their mail servers don't work right, their customers should move elsewhere
[00:41] <Spyidonas> JanC: Good point, but imagine telling all your friends that Facebook is broken and they should move to Google+. Easy to say , not all of them will do it
[00:42] <JanC> I've never had a Facebook account ;)
[00:42] <JanC> but e-mail is based on standards
[00:47] <Spyidonas> JanC: Apparently every company sets its own standards then, there are a bazillion of standars out there, some company accept all of them some part of them
[00:48] <Spyidonas> JanC: In the email case, while dkim and dmarc are standars gmail choose to ignore them while some other will completly cut you off. You can't deny that DMARC is a standard either.
[00:50] <JanC> Spyidonas: actually, the problem is with companies which apply DMARC incorrectly and/or restrict their customers too strictly
[00:51] <Spyidonas> JanC: Yeah its like CSS and HTML, its the standard sure, but noone implements them 100% or have their own version of the standard.
[00:51] <JanC> e.g. making it impossible to use mailing lists
[00:52] <JanC> Spyidonas: it's not like that
[00:53] <Spyidonas> JanC: its all about the money...
[00:53] <JanC> it's companies purposely obstructing their customers
[00:53] <Spyidonas> JanC: yeah, you cant even send a properly styled email these days
[00:54] <verdeP> ewww text only pls
[00:54] <JanC> I prefer plain text mails  ;-)
[00:54] <verdeP> JanC++
[00:55] <JanC> but styled mails should work if they have no external links...
[00:55] <JanC> and if really useful
[00:56] <Spyidonas> JanC: well Gmail cuts of <style> tags
[00:56] <JanC> no eternal included links
[00:56] <Spyidonas> JanC: im sure Hotmail has its issues too
[00:56] <JanC> no external *
[00:56] <Spyidonas> JanC: you pretty much have to inline everything , and apply hacks to the inline styling
[00:57] <Spyidonas> JanC: its fun :(
[00:57] <JanC> Gmail also has an IMAP interface, even if it's broken
[00:58] <JanC> gmail as a user agent has always been broken beyond repair anyway :P
[00:59] <verdeP> i like gmail a lot i wish they had an open source google mail server i could install
[01:00] <hehe> lol
[01:00] <hehe> gmail is bs
[01:00] <hehe> however  nice UI
[01:00] <Spyidonas> JanC: google is evil
[01:00] <Spyidonas> JanC: :P
[01:00] <JanC> verdeP: do you use gmail with mailing lists?
[01:00] <JanC> Spyidonas: I don't like to generalise
[01:03] <verdeP> a few but i dont really like mail lists, i prefer just looking on e.g. github etc
[01:08]  * JanC now really going to sleep (only about 3h of sleep left...)
[01:26] <verdeP> ugh
[03:53] <fishcooker> how to disable all cron job for 1 hour for maintenance?
[04:11] <andol> fishcooker: The easiest is probably to simply shutdown the cron daemon, and making sure to remember turning it on again afterwards.
[04:31] <fishcooker> which cron daemon service should be shutdown, andol?
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:58] <Sling> fcking uefi/gpt modern crap, always gives me issues
[08:59] <Sling> fresh 14.04 install on a 8TB raid10 array @ LSI controller, installation goes fine, it finds disks, i used the guided partitioning, it made the bootable EFI partition, it installed grub in the end of the installation
[08:59] <Sling> it added 'ubuntu' to the EFI menu, I boot into it, and all i get is a grub> prompt
[09:00] <Sling> ls shows me (hd0) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)
[09:00] <Sling> why doesn't it just boot the OS? what am I doing wrong (i just followed the installer, no weird modifications made)
[09:13] <jamespage> jpds, hey - which of the numerous strongswan packages is needed for the new neutron vpnaas support?
[09:14] <jamespage> zhhuabj, maybe you can answer that question :-) ^^
[09:14] <zhhuabj> jamespage, hua@hua-ThinkPad-T440p:~$ ipsec --version
[09:14] <zhhuabj> Linux strongSwan U5.1.2/K4.0.0-040000rc2-generic
[09:18] <jamespage> zhhuabj, yeah - I'm updating the packaging - need to know which strongswan package is required - just strongswan?
[09:18] <jamespage> none of the plugins?
[09:18] <zhhuabj> jamespage, strongswan 5.x is ok
[09:20] <zhhuabj> jamespage, but I only test default strongswan package  5.1.2 in ubuntu 14.04 and 14.10, other 5.x version should be ok as well.
[09:21] <jamespage> zhhuabj, awesome - thanks!
[09:23] <zhhuabj> jamespage, thanks :)
[09:23] <jamespage> zhhuabj, nice work btw - great to have a fully supportable vpn option in ubuntu again
[09:25] <zhhuabj> jamespage, are you enabling charm support for strongswan now ?
[09:25] <jamespage> zhhuabj, if I get to it in time, yes
[09:26] <jamespage> zhhuabj, just working through the kilo-3 release atm
[09:28] <zhhuabj> jamespage, I saw charm is using vpn-agent instead of l3-agent,  have charm supported openswan now ?
[09:28] <jamespage> zhhuabj, "if I get to it in time, yes" so not yet :-)
[09:30] <zhhuabj> jamespage, got it
[09:42] <salih-emin> Last night I was reading the "server" chapter of the "Official Ubuntu Book [Published Jul 15, 2014 by Prentice Hall]", and in there it says that "One of the main differences of Ubuntu Server flavor is the customized kernel"... Is this still true ? I thought  desktop and servert kernel are now one and the same (for about 2 years now). But nevertheless I searched the packages and I didn't find any linux-kernel-server... So is this a b
[09:42] <salih-emin> ook errata ? or am I missing something ?
[09:50] <bekks> salih-emin: All Ubuntu favors share the same customized kernel.
[09:50] <bekks> *flavors
[10:27] <jamespage> jdstrand, hey - are your team likely to get to MIR bug 1430082 before release?
[10:28] <jamespage> just assessing whether we need to disable the new token format support in keystone for vivid/kilo.
[10:33] <jamespage> zul, coreycb: kilo-3 all in the pipeline for vivid - most things waiting for release team review.
[11:23] <rbasak> strikov: how about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap/+bug/1103353? Patch available. Just needs to be backported and verified for each relevant release.
[11:24] <rbasak> strikov: could be a good one for you to handle SRU policy. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:30] <strikov> rbasak: ok, i'll look into this! thanks!
[11:34] <coreycb> jamespage, awesome
[11:36] <coreycb> jamespage, zul, I have a round of new proposals for icehouse 2014.1.4.  there was a bad dependency in keystone's requirements.txt plus some other bugs fixed.
[12:28] <jamespage> sarnold, hey - can you +1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pysaml2/+bug/1407695 from security team review - I think the pysaml stuff is all now resolved
[12:52] <Arrick> hey all, what cmd do I run to find out what drives are attached?
[12:52] <Arrick> my mysql wont allow me to connect, and I am thinking that the programs were all stored in the data dir (mounted as a folder) when I built the machine...
[12:52] <lordievader> Arrick: Look in /dev ?
[12:53] <lordievader> Or in /sys/class/block/
[13:00] <jrwren> Arrick: df will show you disk usage per partition mounted, that sounds like what you want. See also, cat /proc/partitions
[13:03] <Arrick> I'm thinking my data directory is no longer connected... it's on the san
[13:03] <zkvvoob> Hello! I'm getting an Internal Server Error 500  when I activate the BuddyPress plugin on a WordPress based site. The site is on a Ubuntu 14.04 server running Apache 2.4.7. Here's the error message that is generated every time: http://pastebin.com/GCGSq6WD Could you help me find out why this is happening?
[13:10] <Arrick> Ok... trying to start or stop mysql doesnt work.... using either "service mysql start" or "service mysql stop" or even the "stop mysql" or "start mysql" ... when I tried /etc/init.d/mysql stop it told me to9 use service or stop...
[13:13] <jdstrand> jamespage: re 1430082, I'll ask the team and get people on it
[13:13] <jamespage> jdstrand, thanks - much appreciated
[13:13] <lordievader> Arrick: What is the exact output of 'sudo service mysql start'?
[13:14] <Arrick> start: Job failed to start
[13:14] <Arrick> this system has been running for the last 2 years, and I came in today to our site not being able to connect to the db
[13:15] <lordievader> Arrick: What do the logs say about it?
[13:15] <Arrick> not sure where to look
[13:18] <lordievader> Arrick: As a start, syslog.
[13:18] <Arrick> where would that be located?
[13:19] <maxb> Or, guessing here, possibly in /var/log/upstart/, if the upstart job is failing
[13:19] <Arrick> thanks
[13:20] <lordievader> Arrick: Syslog is in /var/log/syslog, Mysql usually logs to the syslogger.
[13:22] <jamespage> sarnold, hey - just poking through MIR bugs for openstack - and tripped over this one again:
[13:22] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/conntrack/+bug/1381450
[13:22] <maxb> Though, the specifics of the error message imply that the upstart job failed, so the mysql daemon probably never started
[13:23] <jamespage> that's quite important to support router HA for neutron
[13:23] <Arrick> correct...
[13:27] <lordievader> Arrick: Does mysql error?
[13:30] <Arrick> ls lordievader I have mysql.err in there, but they are empty
[13:30] <Arrick> and mysql.log.1.gz etc..
[13:30] <lordievader> Arrick: I was talking about the syslog, does mysql show errors there?
[13:30] <Arrick> up through 7
[13:31] <Arrick> mysql not found in syslog
[13:31] <Arrick> and the last logs were written on the 27th (3 days ago)
[13:32] <lordievader> You could invoke mysql manually, perhaps that shows what is going wrong.
[13:33] <lordievader> According the the Debian init script it is:  /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
[13:41] <Arrick> hrmmmm... lordievader I am unsure what to run to invoke it manually... I know when I use mysql -u username -p it says Error 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL Server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[13:42] <lordievader> Arrick: As I said, accoring the the Debian init script it is: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
[13:42] <lordievader> Arrick: You are using the mysql client ;)
[13:42] <Arrick> how do I invoke it?
[13:43] <lordievader> Arrick: Run that command.
[13:43] <Arrick> no such animal, looking at the files in there right now.
[13:44] <strikov> rbasak: juju-1.22 should be in your inbox
[13:44] <lordievader> Hmm, does the Ubuntu version differ on that.
[13:44] <Arrick> no, I was missing a d
[13:44] <Arrick> thanks
[13:44] <lordievader> Arrick: Does it show errors?
[13:44] <Arrick> looking
[13:45] <Arrick> its stuck at starting mysqld daemon with database from /var/lib/mysql
[13:47] <lordievader> Stuck, or is it actually running?
[13:47] <Arrick> seems to be running now
[13:47] <Arrick> I was able to logon
[13:48] <lordievader> Hmm. What does the upstart log say?
[13:48] <lordievader> Specifically the mysql upstart log.
[13:51] <Arrick> there is noting in the upstart log
[13:51] <lordievader> Nothing?
[13:55] <Arrick> I have  a lot of .log.6.gz and stuff, but nothing that that is a straight .log file
[13:55] <Arrick> ls
[13:55] <lordievader> Hmm.
[13:55] <lordievader> Arrick: What version of Ubuntu do you run?
[13:55] <Arrick> its currently 12.04
[13:56] <Arrick> 12.04.3
[13:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Ran updates on 15.04 this morning and now mysql won't start
[13:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone else having that issue?
[13:59] <lordievader> Arrick, FunnyLookinHat: What version of the mysql server do you both have?
[13:59] <FunnyLookinHat> mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.6.23, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using  EditLine wrapper
[13:59] <Arrick> I believe its either 5 or 5.5, one sec
[13:59] <lordievader> Err, package version please.
[14:00] <Arrick> 5.5.34
[14:00] <lordievader> !info mysql-server-5.5 precise
[14:00] <FunnyLookinHat> 5.6.23-1~exp1~ubuntu4
[14:00] <FunnyLookinHat> ( vivid )
[14:00] <Arrick> should be running the socket of /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[14:00] <lordievader> Hmm, guess unrelated then.
[14:00] <FunnyLookinHat> Ugh
[14:00] <FunnyLookinHat> :-P
[14:00] <lordievader> Arrick: There s an update available, perhaps that fixes things.
[14:00] <rbasak> FunnyLookinHat: yes. Workaround are in the bugs. Fixes are ready and just waiting on the release team.
[14:01] <Arrick> lordievader, I have 2 years of data in there, I dont want to muck that up.....
[14:01] <FunnyLookinHat> rbasak, Ah - I can't find the bug on LP - got a URL?
[14:01] <lordievader> Arrick: Then I assume you have a backup.
[14:01] <rbasak> FunnyLookinHat: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.6/+bug/1435823 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.6/+bug/1436178
[14:01] <FunnyLookinHat> rbasak, thank you!
[14:02] <rbasak> FunnyLookinHat: also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.6/+bug/1434758
[14:02] <lordievader> Arrick: Else you should make one. Now.
[14:02] <Arrick> I just found my backup
[14:02] <Arrick> lol
[14:02] <Arrick> I was looking for that first,
[14:03] <Arrick> I would run a backup over ssh, but I am not sure how to do that
[14:08] <Arrick> I do have a /var/log/mysql/error.log http://pastebin.com/jreED4hM
[14:11] <zkvvoob> Hello! I'm getting an Internal Server Error 500  when I activate the BuddyPress plugin on a WordPress based site. The site is on a Ubuntu 14.04 server running Apache 2.4.7. Here's the error message that is generated every time: http://pastebin.com/GCGSq6WD Could you help me find out why this is happening?
[14:39] <Arrick> lordievader start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.2" (uid=1000 pid=1472 comm="start mysql ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init")
[14:39] <Arrick> I rebooted it.
[14:43] <lordievader> Arrick: Did rebooting fix it?
[14:43] <Arrick> nope
[14:43] <Arrick> I had to start the mysqldsafe again to access it, looking up commands to backup the db's now...
[14:45] <oldsk00l> test
[14:51] <lordievader> Arrick: /var/lib/mysql contains the db's. Simply backup that dir.
[14:51] <lordievader> Arrick: Anyhow, I get the idea that the upstart script is broken.
[14:51] <lordievader> Arrick: Updating might fix that.
[14:55] <Arrick> done, next?
[14:55] <Arrick> not sure how to update from terminal, Havent played with it in so long
[14:57] <lordievader> Arrick: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:58] <Arrick> that cmd doesnt make any changes, just tells me it read them all
[14:59] <lordievader> ?
[14:59] <Arrick> it says
[14:59] <lordievader> !paste
[14:59] <Arrick> hit http:P//us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/ with all the packages
[14:59] <Arrick> I know better than to paste, lol
[15:00] <lordievader> ? Could you pastebin the full output?
[15:02] <Arrick>  >http://paste.ubuntu.com/10707229/
[15:02] <Arrick> sorry about the >
[15:03] <lordievader> Arrick: What is wrong with that?
[15:03] <lordievader> Standard apt-get update output, though not complete/
[15:04] <Arrick> it doesnt do anything...
[15:06] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the full output with the input command?
[15:10] <Arrick> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10707280/
[15:11] <Arrick> if I try them separate I get no space left on drive
[15:20] <Arrick> I'll get back to you in a bit lordievader I am having our VM admin double my drive space
[15:21] <lordievader> Ah, that is likely the root cause of all your problems :P
[15:22] <Arrick> ok, they added mode space, how do I expand it?
[15:28] <zkvvoob> Hello! I'm getting an Internal Server Error 500  when I activate the BuddyPress plugin on a WordPress based site. The site is on a Ubuntu 14.04 server running Apache 2.4.7. Here's the error message that is generated every time: http://pastebin.com/GCGSq6WD Could you help me find out why this is happening?
[15:31] <patdk-wk> ask php why it's crashing
[15:35] <zkvvoob> patdk-wk: How do you propose I do this?
[15:36] <patdk-wk> by knowing how your server works, I didn't propose and won't propose anything
[15:36] <patdk-wk> I did not setup and configure that server
[15:36] <patdk-wk> and it looks to be done VERY custom
[15:38] <dannf> rbasak: hey - i was trying to test a fix for LP: #1427406, but ran into LP: #1429725 - do you have a workaround for that? i tried backing out the passwordless support, but things got to messy :(
[15:42] <Arrick> hey lordievader I have the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10707443/
[15:44] <Arrick> I need to expand the / partition, and there is 30 GB free on sda... I need to expand sda5 lvm /.
[15:45] <patdk-wk> well, edit the partition table
[15:45] <patdk-wk> then pvextend
[15:45] <patdk-wk> then lvextend
[15:45] <patdk-wk> then resize2fs
[15:45] <patdk-wk> it couldn't be any more simple :)
[15:46] <Arrick> yeah, except I have no knowledge of how
[15:55] <rbasak> dannf: no idea, sorry. I've not looked at mariadb yet :-/
[16:00] <Arrick> patdk-wk, I have the following when I run fdisk -l, which is the reason why I am confused on what to do... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10707544/
[16:01] <Arrick> I know I need to add room to /dev/mapper/SCGWB008--vg-root
[16:02] <rbasak> strikov: o/
[16:02] <rbasak> strikov: sorry, was on the phone before.
[16:02] <strikov> rbasak: o?
[16:02] <rbasak> strikov: what's the state of Juju and systemd in your package please? I'm confused by pitti's "Fix Committed" change in https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1409639. Is this correct?
[16:02] <strikov> rbasak: looking at the ldap bug now
[16:03] <rbasak> strikov: it's a picture of my head and arm, waving at you :)
[16:03] <strikov> rbasak: hm, systemd is not available in 1.22
[16:04] <strikov> rbasak: let me double-check
[16:05] <strikov> rbasak: is it possible to see why fix commited shows up?
[16:05] <strikov> rbasak: i.e. it was manually changed or via package upload
[16:06] <rbasak> strikov: manually changed.
[16:26] <lordievader> Arrick: Like patdk-wk said, first extend the parition.
[16:27] <Arrick> lordievader, thats what I am trying to learn how to do...
[16:27] <Arrick> I have created /dev/sda6 with cfdisk
[16:27] <Arrick> set it to a linux lvm
[16:27] <lordievader> Arrick: parted or fdisk lets you do that. But make sure the start of the partition matches with the old size.
[16:28] <Arrick> but for some reason, it keeps telling me there is no /dev/sda6 when I try to format it
[16:28] <Arrick> im trying to follow this
[16:28] <lordievader> Arrick: Just resize your lvm partition.
[16:28] <Arrick> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16515739/extending-logical-volume-in-ubuntu
[16:28] <lordievader> No need to format things.
[16:28] <Arrick> pvcreate says no such animal
[16:28] <lordievader> Arrick: Please first read up on how LVM works if you don't have experience with it.
[16:29] <Arrick> in the meantime this is a production server I am trying to get back up
[16:31] <lordievader> Even more reason to thoroughly read up on LVM before trying to mess with it.
[16:33] <Arrick> you have a link to the right place to read then? there are so many links that provide "cfdisk, then fdisk, then format, then lvextend"
[16:34] <lordievader> man <command> ;)
[16:34] <lordievader> Man pages are your first source of information on commands.
[16:37] <strikov> rbasak: please ignore my juju-1.22 package; juju team changed licenses for some subprojects; i'll fix and resend you the bits
[16:37] <rbasak> strikov: no problem, thanks
[16:56] <strikov> rbasak: updated and sent to you
[16:57] <strikov> rbasak: i won't update this package anymore; any other changes will go to 1.23
[16:57] <strikov> rbasak: ideal state is unachievable; this one seems to be good enough
[16:59] <rbasak> strikov: OK. Thanks!
[17:02] <strikov> rbasak: do we want -released blocking bug? we planned to manually move it to -released so technically bug is not needed
[17:02] <rbasak> strikov: is it released upstream yet? If so then no need to block it.
[17:03] <strikov> rbasak: my understanding was that you'll upload juju-1.22 to -proposed and bug is needed to avoid moving to -released automatically
[17:03] <strikov> rbasak: is it correct?
[17:04] <strikov> rbasak: ah, you opened one already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1416051
[17:04] <strikov> rbasak: even before i joined the team
[17:04] <strikov> rbasak: it's for trusty but we may add vivid there
[17:11] <Arrick> lordievader, I found a directory in /totara that was a backup of over 10gb, and that is what caused the system not to start... couldnt hit the logs to generate errors because the disk space was too full.
[17:17] <rbasak> strikov: oh, OK. I think I misunderstood you.
[17:17] <rbasak> Yes - the bug is there, and the Vivid task is tracked in the "main" task, since it's the development release.
[17:17] <strikov> rbasak: okay, understood. thanks
[17:18] <rbasak> strikov: I'll review tomorrow morning if that's OK?
[17:18] <strikov> rbasak: sure, thanks
[17:40] <lordievader> Arrick: Jup, systems will behave strange when their disk is full.
[17:41] <Arrick> lol
[20:32] <fullstop> Hi, running 14.04 here, and this has cropped up twice in the last week:  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Dc6Sgy83
[20:32] <fullstop> 3.13.0-44-generic
[20:32] <fullstop> the server runs fine, but the kern.log fills up quickly since this message repeats over and over and over again
[20:35] <RoyK> fullstop: have you updated lately? seems 3.13.0-48 or 3.16.0-33 is current
[20:36] <fullstop> I've updated things but not the kernel
[20:37] <fullstop> I guess I'm looking to see if this is a known problem and that a kernel update would fix it.
[20:37] <RoyK> this is a kernel thing
[20:37] <fullstop> yes, clearly
[20:37]  * RoyK updates office machine :P
[20:38] <fullstop> :D
[20:39] <RoyK^Work> there
[20:39] <RoyK^Work> Linux roysk 3.16.0-33-lowlatency #44~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Mar 13 10:51:41 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:41] <fullstop> I tried the LL kernel on my desktop for a while.  It didn't seem to make that much of a difference for me.
[20:41] <RoyK> never underestimate the speed of a cheap SSD
[20:41] <RoyK> just installed it to do some testing
[20:41] <RoyK> I don't really need it
[20:42] <RoyK> this box is a test thing - u1404 - using a mac for most things
[20:42] <RoyK> (except servers, which are either debian or rhel/centos)
[20:42] <fullstop> yes, most of our servers are ubuntu-server
[20:42] <RoyK> ok
[20:42] <fullstop> my desktop is arch (sorry!)
[20:42] <RoyK> hehe
[20:42] <RoyK> no offence ;)
[20:43] <RoyK> I don't like ubuntu that much on the server side - too much cutting/bleeding edge stuff
[20:43] <RoyK> debian works well, though
[20:43] <RoyK> (I know I'm swearing in church)
[20:44] <fullstop> I like the rolling releases.  I never feel the urge to wipe and start over.  :)
[20:44] <fullstop> With debian, I have an urge to compile my own stuff since the packages are ancient.
[20:44] <RoyK> well, mostly it works
[20:45] <Patrickdk> haven't had that issue at all
[20:45] <Patrickdk> I have updated my kernel though, to get new features
[20:45] <fullstop> and I've run into problems with centos where things like e2fsck had bugs in them and I had to get a package from a newer release to actually recover the folume.
[20:45] <fullstop> f=v
[20:45] <RoyK> I haven't had too much issues with ubuntu server either, but some of them were rather annoying
[20:46] <Patrickdk> heh? again? more mdadm issues? :)
[20:46] <RoyK> fullstop: oops - never seen that
[20:46] <RoyK> Patrickdk: not really - after I dropped ubuntu server ;)
[20:46] <fullstop> it was a database with a large volume.  rather stressful, since it would take many hours to restore from backup.
[20:47] <RoyK> Patrickdk: but it's just that ubuntu seems very eager to implement things not well tested
[20:47] <RoyK> ok, debian is very conservative
[20:47] <RoyK> so new stuff must be compiled
[20:47] <RoyK> but sometimes that's good
[20:47] <Patrickdk> or grab from sid/testing
[20:48] <RoyK> yeah, pretty good idea to messup every dependency on the planet
[20:48] <fullstop> well, the kernel is updated.. just need to restart the server at some point to test.
[20:48] <Patrickdk> hmm?
[20:48] <Patrickdk> never had that issue
[20:48] <Patrickdk> grab package from sid/testing, rebuild on your release
[20:48] <RoyK> I've seen pretty bad things from Sid
[20:49] <RoyK> well - so far - just running stock stuff except zfsonlinux
[20:49] <Patrickdk> works for most things, rarely will you hit a depend issue
[20:49] <RoyK> never fix a running system
[20:50] <RoyK> oh - here's a new kernel hack that can make my I/O performance gain .01% - GO
[20:50] <RoyK> (not)
[20:52] <Patrickdk> no, one should not run it :)
[20:52] <RoyK> we're using centos/rhel a lot at work - a bug in the ixgbe 10GE driver makes TX packets in ifconfig and friends return zero - reported more than half a year ago and still not fixed - those RHEL fanatics are still talking about how good RHEL is compared to debian/ubuntu
[20:53] <Patrickdk> ya, I built my own ixgbe dkms package, it's in my ppa
[20:53] <Patrickdk> haven't had to roll it out to rhel though yet
[20:53] <RoyK> same problem in debian/ubuntu? not fixed?
[20:53] <Patrickdk> well, depends on the kernel your using
[20:53] <Patrickdk> as it comes with the kernel
[20:54] <jrwren> each has warts.
[20:54] <Patrickdk> and I dunno if it was the same issue, as there where many issues, I was concerned with
[20:55] <RoyK> my munin graphs would look a bit better if that thing was fixed
[20:55] <Patrickdk> the xen nic issue was really screwing up all my aws vm's
[20:56] <Patrickdk> that one is fixed
[20:56]  * RoyK wonders why people use xen
[20:56] <Patrickdk> not sure why amazon hasn't changed yet
[20:56] <Patrickdk> they are basically mostly kvm now
[20:56] <Patrickdk> but still using the xen tooling
[20:57] <RoyK> k
[20:57] <Patrickdk> atleast all of mine in aws are kvm instances
[20:57] <CappyT> Hi everybody... i set up a gre tunnel and i was wondering how can use one of my server as a gateway for the other... I'm not good with routes =/
[20:58] <RoyK> we have a 1024core openstack cluster at work for spawning out VMs to students
[20:58] <RoyK> to be reinstalled soon (all ubuntu)
[20:59] <RoyK> trying to get those professors to understand that YES - we need IPv6 - not just RFC1918
[20:59] <Patrickdk> I only have 100 cores :(
[21:00] <Patrickdk> have it loaded up with just over 800 windows vm's
[21:02] <Patrickdk> professors understand rfc1918?
[21:04] <jrwren> my networking profs did. :)
[21:05] <Patrickdk> royk, just use the cgn addresses :)
[21:05] <RoyK> cgn?
[21:05] <Patrickdk> carrier grade nat
[21:06] <RoyK> we're the college/university in Norway that has the most advanced IPv6 setup - we'll take this further
[21:06] <RoyK> and avoid NAT at all costs
[21:07] <jrwren> RoyK: thank you for that. I look forward to awesome ipv6 support in OS someday soon  :)
[21:07] <jrwren> RoyK: is your OS ipv6 config documented publicly anywhere?
[21:07] <RoyK> jrwren: most of the IPv6 support is in most OSes now
[21:08] <RoyK> jrwren: the problem is the network operators
[21:08] <RoyK> jrwren: it's just plain IPv6 - not even DHCPv6
[21:08] <jrwren> RoyK: i'll have to look again. It has been a while, and I have very simple OS needs, just nova, no neutron.
[21:09] <jrwren> RoyK: OS manages the radvd ?
[21:10] <RoyK> jrwren: not sure
[21:10] <RoyK> jrwren: I mostly work with storage and linux and monitoring, but not much with hard core networking
[21:31] <rberg_> I see there was a backported 3.13 kernel for 12.04.. are there any plans to provide the 3.16 kernel available in 14.04 to 12.04?
[21:41] <Daviey> jamespage: Am i right in saying that python3-oslo.serialization needs promoting?
[21:47] <bananapie> can I debootstrap Debian Wheezy 7 from Ubuntu 10.04 ?
[21:54] <PryMar56> bananapie, ls -al /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ | grep whee
[21:55] <bananapie> yea, it's not there. so I did ln -s sid wheezy
[21:55] <bananapie> it seems to have worked.
[21:55] <bananapie> Debian is close enough to Ubuntu, that I think I can figure the rest out.
[21:56] <bananapie> it bootstrapped. :)
[21:56] <bananapie> I can't wait until ubuntu 16.04 LTS, I am really excited about systemd. I already installed 15.04 beta in a vm to test it out :)
[21:57] <PryMar56> bananapie, you could have gone from lucid -> wheezy almost 3 years ago
[21:58] <PryMar56>  2 years and 10 months to be exact
[21:58] <bananapie> nah, I am staying on Ubuntu. I like Ubuntu. I am instaling wheezy out of necessity and not choice. I don't like that debian doesn't come with firmware for my nics.
[21:58] <bananapie> and ubuntu LTS = 5 years support. Debian is usually 3 years.
[21:59] <bananapie> I wanted to switch to CentOS which gives 10 years support, but I missed Ubuntu's working default configs when installing packages
[22:02] <sarnold> bananapie: if you don't mind, what kind of tasks wouldy ou be doing on a machine with a ten-year supported OS? I'm surprised how many people find 14.04 is too out of date for what they want to do (mostly those are folks wanting a brand new openjdk..)
[22:02] <bananapie> I run more recent versions of Ubuntu for my desktop.
[22:03] <bananapie> But for my servers, I want peace of mind. If I install a server with a config today, I don't want to have to reinstall the server until I want to reinstall it.
[22:03] <bananapie> if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[22:03] <PryMar56> bananapie, apologies, wheezy was released in May, 2013 (not 2012)
[22:03] <bananapie> no worries.
[22:03] <sarnold> that bit I get :) but ten years is a long time, hehe :)
[22:04] <bananapie> Yea, ten years is longer than I would ever need, which is why I compromised 5 years to get working default configs
[22:04] <bananapie> btw : 18:03:23 up 976 days, 22:01,  1 user,  load average: 0.85, 1.02, 0.92
[22:04] <sarnold> hehe
[22:04] <sarnold> I had a machine with >1000 days once...
[22:04] <bananapie> I am 24 days away
[22:04] <sarnold> I hope your power holds out another thirty.. ;(
[22:04] <sarnold> :)
[22:04] <bananapie> It will. I'm in a crazy ass data centre
[22:06] <bananapie> My servers have redundant power supplies, connected to redundant batteries, connected to redundant generators. in 5 years, they have never had both power circuits off at the same time.
[22:06] <bananapie> 976 days ago ubuntu released a kernel patch that affected my installation.
[22:06] <sarnold> haha
[22:06] <bananapie> affected this server*
[22:06] <bananapie> most of my other servers were rebooted more recently.
[22:07] <sarnold> I can't wait for our on-the-fly kernel patching for security issues.
[22:11] <bananapie> Yea, but even with on the fly patching, I'd still have to do the work during the night just in case.
[22:12] <bananapie> although, on the fly patching would be awesome, it would help me convert this machine into a debian box without downtime :)
[22:12] <sarnold> hehe I suspect you can change all of userspace onth e fly without reboots if you really wished..
[22:13] <bananapie> ...
[22:13] <bananapie> that is a brilliant idea
[22:13] <sarnold> .. but the kernel changes, even with on-the-fly updates, is really best suited for small individual fixes, near perfect for most security issues.. wholesale replacement of kernels is just going too far
[22:13] <bananapie> yea, true.
[22:14] <bananapie> I am going to test the server from chroot. If it works, that means I only have to install the boot loader, kernel and 3rd party drivers during maintenace hours :)
[22:14] <bananapie> god I love linux
[22:14] <bananapie> thanks for your help
[22:14] <bananapie> I have to go
[22:36] <beanbag> I dunno what "genius"  built 14.04 lts and decided that the bootloader and os should default to whatever back-ass-wards video mode as default, BUT YOU REALLY PICKED A WINNER
[22:37] <beanbag> it's caused issues on every box I tried so far
[22:37] <beanbag> can't edit the boot command line because it gets so managled you can't see wtf you are doing
[22:38] <beanbag> and if you boto it, you get a freaking annoying flashing white screen