Kilosmorning za peeps05:29
barrydkMore almal05:35
Kiloshi barrydk  05:35
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  06:11
Kiloswag jy vir na middag om more te se inetpro  07:14
Kilosgood morning to you07:14
Kilosim gonna do nothing today for you to argue about07:17
inetprogood morning oom Kilos08:19
inetprooh and hi everyone else08:19
Kiloslol hello boetie08:20
inetproMaaz: coffee on08:20
* Maaz starts grinding coffee08:20
KilosMaaz  coffee please08:20
MaazKilos: Alrighty08:20
inetproKilos: start doing some work for a change man :-)08:20
Kilosi have already taken the sheep to pasture and finished washing dishes and pots and starting to make curry08:21
inetprodoing nothing is not good for your head08:21
Kilosand made one remark on trello and gently revved the northern peeps08:22
Kilosand greeted dholbach08:22
Kilosand nhaines08:22
Kilosand meke jungle oats for breakfast that im wating till its cooller then i fill tummy08:23
Kilosthen maybe sleep some08:23
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!08:24
KilosMaaz  gracias08:24
MaazKilos: ¡de nada!08:24
inetproMaaz: thanks08:24
Maazinetpro: Okay :-)08:24
Kiloshmm... you get a smile too08:24
Kilosand inetpro  that ubuntu mail still not showing08:29
Kilosbut i was told assumptions08:30
KilosMaaz  assumption08:37
MaazAn assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts, but when made by intelligent people is often proven to be true.08:37
Kiloshi psyatw  08:50
psyatwhi Kilos 08:50
inetproKilos: please rephrase09:12
inetproKilos: please rephrase "that ubuntu mail still not showing"09:13
Kilosstill showing donner@gmail inetpro  09:20
inetprowhat did you expect?09:21
MopkopHey guys, sorry I havn't been on lately. Had people come visit me this weekend, and couldn't do much. I'll try and finish that site tonight. :)09:21
Kilosand its supposed to show donner@ubuntu09:21
inetproKilos: and where do you expect it to change so magically?09:21
Kiloshi Mopkop  i thought you forgot us09:21
inetprowb Mopkop09:21
Kilosremember i did all that verify stuff to get it to there inetpro  09:22
Kiloswhen i told you it takes 2 days or more you did the supposition thing09:23
Kiloscool Mopkop  ty09:23
inetproKilos: you should read the information in context 09:23
MopkopThank you. It's just the homepage and the Get Ubuntu I still have to do. There are other things like the mailing list, and the signing of the code of conduct which I haven't added yet, but I guess it is not necessary for the initial site.09:24
Kilosi did it said it will take 48 hours for the script to run09:24
inetproKilos: I told you that part was relevant to you becoming a member some time ago09:24
Kilosno mailing list moppie09:24
inetproit is irrelevant now09:24
inetprounless you change your LP id09:25
Kilosso isnt it gonna work09:25
inetproKilos: your address is working09:25
Kilosyaya one way only09:25
Kilosmust i do something else to get it going out as well09:26
inetprothe sending part is for you to sort out for yourself09:26
Kilosi did the smtp thing09:26
Kilosso if its working one way then i have to find where i messed up?09:27
Kilosforget it for now09:28
Kiloswat nou10:51
inetproKilos: you stop talking, everybody else stops talking10:52
Kilosim the singer in the rock and roll band10:55
mazalLo everyone11:19
Kiloshi mazal  11:19
mazalGaanit oom ?11:20
Kilosgoed dankie en jy seun?11:20
mazalStyf en seer en besig , maar andersins goed11:20
Kilosstyf van wat11:20
Kiloshet jy geoefen11:20
mazalHet die naweek klomp nuwe meubels gevarnish. Daai op die knieë kruip ding werk nie meer vir my nie :P11:21
Kiloshele huis stink hier11:21
Kilosek maak kerrie11:21
Kilosruik lekker man nie eintlik stink nie11:23
* mazal eetie kerrie nie11:23
mazalmens vang vis met daai goed11:23
Kilosdaarom sukkel jy11:23
Kiloskerrie is baie gesond11:23
mazalIs apt-get autoremove safe to remove kernels ?11:24
Kilosya it removes all your stuff in archives as well11:25
Kilosmost of it anyway11:25
mazalThis weekend an update listed a bunch of package that it says are no longer needed and kernels are amongst them , and told me to use autoremove11:26
mazalDidn't do it though11:26
mazalWanted to ask here first11:26
Kilosi have before  and nothing ever broke11:27
mazalSo if it breaks my server you redo it :)11:27
Kilosit removes safely stuff that doesnt work anymore11:27
mazalIt's my most important server , it runs minetest :)11:27
Kilosit wont break man11:27
mazalStrange things happen with me , I tend to get problems nobody else get11:28
mazalWill do it at next update11:29
mazalBe ready11:29
mazalIssie , net versigtig11:29
mazalDon't have time to re-install server11:29
Kilosim sure it 100% safe11:29
Kilosask inetpro  ^^11:29
mazalMy backups runs to it as well , so it's kinda important11:30
Kiloswhy not google can apt-get autoremove break anything11:31
mazalIt will return " Anything can break anything , it depends how you use it "11:33
Kilosno man im sure its safe11:33
inetpromazal: man apt-get11:37
mazalDoes not compute :P11:37
mazalI don't speak man11:38
mazalinetpro: This one I just wonder how safe it is11:38
inetproyou want the long story?11:39
mazalOr should I rather just leave the old kernels alone11:39
mazalI was bitten once with this11:39
Kilosnee man11:40
Kilosyou fiddled with other stuff11:40
mazalNo I followed a procedure from ask ubuntu that used synaptic to remove old kernels. Had a very unstable system after that11:41
mazalSo now when I see anything that says remove old kernels I am careful11:41
Kiloshaha 11:41
Kilosyou can leave them there safely too11:42
Kilosbut sooner or later you will need to clean up11:42
Kiloshee hee hee11:45
inetproand google is your buddy11:45
inetproautoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed11:46
inetprothat is as simple as it gets11:46
mazalMy question was if it's safe11:47
inetproyou can always make a backup if you want to feel safe11:47
inetproalso look at "-s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act" in the man page11:48
inetproand if you get petrified from reading man pages locally you can always read them online11:51
inetprosee: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/en/man8/apt-get.8.html11:51
Kiloshi TinuvaMac  12:02
TinuvaMacgood afternoon Kilos, how are things here today?12:02
Kilosgood ty and there?12:03
Kilosthe pro is having a man and rtfs session so all good12:03
mazalLo TinuvaMac12:05
TinuvaMacmostly good, bit tired thankyou12:05
mazalBye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless12:35
mazaloom Kilos nie te veel kerrie eetie hoor :)12:36
Kiloslol dis te lekker man12:36
Kiloslekker aand12:37
Kilosrtfs rtfs rtfs if you dont understand it you can rtfs till you blind13:37
Kilosit dont help13:37
Kiloshi kulelu88  14:08
kulelu88Hello oom14:08
kulelu88oh i mean hello Kilos 14:10
Kiloswe both wave to you14:10
inetproKilos: apt-get will warn you about what it will do unless you pass a -y to bypass all prompts and run it non-interactively14:46
Kilosyip almost like aptitude14:46
Kilosi still prefer aptitude14:47
inetproRTFS is relevant, always!14:47
Kilossigh as jy did kan verstaan en onthou ja14:47
Kiloslots of peeps dont understand man pages14:48
inetproyou mean lots of peeps simply FAIL to read very clear instructions on the screen14:49
Kilosthat too ya14:49
Kilosthe world is made up of 2 types of peeps , slim en dom14:50
Kilosand many shades in between14:51
Kilosare you home yet inetpro  ?14:51
inetproKilos: the short answer is yes 16:11
Kiloshi gremble  16:12
inetprothe long answer is no, I can not help you now 16:12
inetprofamily time 16:12
Kilosi dont want help ty16:12
inetpro:-) 16:13
Kilosone would swear i only talk to you when i need help16:21
Kiloslol i knew that would get a reaction16:25
inetproKilos: you must tell that mazal dude of yours he must start working again for a change16:27
Kilosdude of mine?16:27
inetprohis "Fun on Ubuntu wiki" project has been in limbo for a long time now16:28
Kilosoh ya i saw that yesterday16:28
inetprobeen more than a month16:28
Kilossjoe that a bad show16:29
Kilosi looked at some things there this morning16:29
Kiloslike we must find place to put the walk through for coc and some others then archive some stuff16:30
Kilosspinza  you here? or just your pc doing the floods16:31
spinzahey what's up?16:32
Kiloslong time you dont chat to us, whatsup there16:33
Kilosand this 16:33
Kilos spinza (~spin@ has left this server (Excess Flood).16:33
Kilossomething there is flooding freenode16:33
Kilosim trying to learn something about win816:39
Kilossjoe what a schlep16:39
Kiloshmm... no snide remarks16:44
inetproKilos: why? 17:40
Kiloswell its not linux man17:42
Kilosi just need to be prepared in case they come back later17:44
Kilosand you cantr charge school kids17:45
inetproif they don't know better to use a proper OS they should pay double for wasting your time 17:49
inetprogoing to take you months to unlearn all of that now 17:51
Kilosthey dont have a choice at school17:51
Kilosi just need to know basic operation and how to get in as the main admin guy17:52
inetprothey must teach the teacher to do the right thing 17:53
Kilosdo your kids?17:53
inetpromy kids don't do windows 17:53
Kilosand mage been trying for 4 years17:54
Kilosaha now we getting somewhere17:54
inetprounfortunately/fortunately they don't have IT as a subject 17:55
Kilos ill try find out what they do with pc at school 17:55
Kilosyou can teach them more about IT than most schools17:56
grembleIT in school is more about programming in java/delphi17:56
grembleAnd some networking nonesense17:56
Kilosand can that be done with a buntu pc?17:57
grembleGoodluck getting delphi working on ubuntu17:57
Kilosi dunno that stuff man17:57
Kiloseasier to fix win pcs for them. those with rich parents ill charge17:58
inetproKilos: some reading for you:  On being an Ubuntu member https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2015/03/on-being-an-ubuntu-member/18:02
inetproor anyone else for that matter18:02
inetproeven for gremble18:03
* Kilos goes to see18:03
grembleAltera takes hours to install18:05
grembleI didn't know that it would be possible for something to take this long to install18:05
grembleGood lord18:05
grembleI wanted to play with an fpga this afternoon. Like 4 hours ago18:06
grembleField programmable gate array18:07
inetprosounds like fun18:07
grembleIt is supposed to be18:07
grembleOnce I get all this software installed so that my computer can recognise the hardware18:07
Kilosinetpro  reason for that link?18:08
inetproKilos: motivating you18:09
Kilosi say hi to dholbach every morning and he is part of the team that decides on board peeps18:09
Kilosyou the one needs motivation man18:09
Kiloshe is in berlin18:10
superflyinetpro: I'm still not sure why you use pyenv, when it costs your more data, and is so much more complicated than just using virtualenv. at the end of the day, pyenv just uses virtualenv anyways18:32
superflyI've updated the instructions to show how to use vanilla virtualenv18:32
inetprosuperfly: because it's easy 18:33
superflyinetpro: easier than vanilla? maybe you should look at my instructions18:33
inetproI'll have a look, thanks18:33
inetprosuperfly: ⟫ bzr up18:35
inetproTree is up to date at revision 24 of branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-za  18:35
inetprono change?18:35
superflyinetpro: dude, I only just sat down at my PC18:35
superflylet's not mention the laundry list of things I have to do just tonight18:35
superflytalking of which, I'd better get going, I have some stuff to do18:36
inetproKilos: sounds like he's on fire18:36
Kilosya dont throw water18:36
inetproKilos: keep the firehose ready18:36
inetprofor just in case18:36
Kilosyou must one day teamview with him and watch him work18:37
Kilosi loved it18:37
inetproKilos: where's that mopkop buddy of yours?18:39
Kilosi dunno why he went off. hopefully not loadshedding18:39
Kiloshopefully he can finish then africa can go life tomorrow or soon after. fly must still review his work18:40
inetpronext time you see him, tell him to upload and share his branch whether finished or not18:40
Kiloswill do18:41
inetprodon't mention the flying dude, he's busy18:41
KilosMaaz  tell mopkop Please upload your branch, finished or not , so it can be reviewed and site go live18:42
MaazKilos: Okay, I'll tell mopkop on freenode18:42
Kiloswhat now?18:42
inetprowe don't want to review and merge unfinished work, we just want to view progress18:43
Kilosthats in case i forget or have bad head man'18:43
Kilosif its close fly will finish it18:43
Kilosoh and whats with this new groove of yours inetpro  18:45
Kilosyou must tell that mazal dude of yours he must start working again for a change18:46
Kiloswhere's that mopkop buddy of yours18:46
inetproall your big buddies man :-)18:47
Kilosand yours18:47
Kiloswe are one family18:48
* inetpro is way too grumpy and inconsistent and not always here18:48
Kilosthere are always odd balls in every family18:49
superflyI thought I was the grumpy old man?18:57
* superfly gets all grumpy19:00
inetprosuperfly: you can have it if you want19:01
Kilosya you both do but also you both have lots of patience and understanding19:01
* inetpro puts the mr nice guy mask on his face19:02
inetproMaaz: coffee on19:02
* Maaz starts grinding coffee19:02
KilosMaaz  coffee please19:02
MaazKilos: Yessir19:02
* Kilos sir19:02
inetproMaaz: announce free coffee for all and sundry19:03
MaazAnnouncement from inetpro! free coffee for all and sundry19:03
Kilosall the chatty peeps arent here tonight19:03
inetproyou mean guys like Squirm?19:04
Kilosya 19:04
inetproand nuvolari19:04
inetproand nlsthzn19:04
Kilosand padroni19:04
Kilosnlsthzn  is here but washing nappies or something19:05
Kilosyou guys dunno how to do it19:05
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!19:06
Kilosmy first stinky nappy change, i took ian outside, dropped nappy in dustbin and hosed ian clean19:06
Kilosnever had to change another nappy19:06
KilosMaaz  ty19:06
MaazYou are welcome Kilos19:06
inetproyikes Kilos, I'm trying to have a cup of coffee19:07
superflywhat's Bradley's nick?19:29
Kilosi think19:30
Kilosinetpro  verify!19:30
inetprothanks superfly19:36
superflyMaaz: Tell captine I've merged your changes and they're live on the site.19:38
Maazsuperfly: Okay, I'll tell captine on freenode19:38
Kilosinetpro  did moppie leave something there for the tlc thing20:04
Kilosi thought he said last night he had done it and was waiting for the merge20:05
inetprowhy you asking me?20:05
Kilosso have you guys viewed it20:05
inetproKilos, superfly: please check https://trello.com/c/8GHqYUbq20:06
Kilosya that20:07
inetproKilos: 03/30 20:35:52 <superfly> let's not mention the laundry list of things I have to do just tonight20:09
Kilosthen you must chech these things beforehand and just let fly merge them20:12
Kilosyou are know as my buddy inetpro  20:13
Kilosive allowed you into my field of close contacts20:14
inetprosuperfly: you use Sphinx for OpenLP as well?20:16
Kilosyou can be such a twit at times20:17
Kilosif not for you 2 i wouldnt be here20:17
inetproKilos: what is a twit?20:17
Kilostwit=sometimes idiot20:18
Kiloswhen it suits him20:18
inetprohmm... someone who makes a retarded chimp look smart?20:19
inetproKilos: not sure whether to take it as an insult or as a joke20:23
inetprocalling someone a twit can be very insulting20:23
Kilosoh maybe it can be but you know better!20:24
Kilosyou know i wouldnt insult you intentionally20:25
* inetpro will have to go looking for the sjambok20:27
Kilosin your own words  you have to take things in context20:27
inetproor the fly will have to come for the rescue20:28
superflyinetpro: can we archive Feb?20:31
inetprosuperfly: done20:31
Kilosskuus inetpro  20:39
Kilosi go sleep my cheek off20:39
inetproKilos: no harm done really :-)20:39
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:39
inetprogood night Kilos20:39

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