[04:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:29] <Kilos> morning za peeps
[05:35] <barrydk> More almal
[05:35] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[06:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:11] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:14] <Kilos> wag jy vir na middag om more te se inetpro  
[07:14] <Kilos> good morning to you
[07:17] <Kilos> im gonna do nothing today for you to argue about
[08:19] <inetpro> good morning oom Kilos
[08:19] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[08:20] <Kilos> lol hello boetie
[08:20] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:20]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:20] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[08:20] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:20] <inetpro> Kilos: start doing some work for a change man :-)
[08:21] <Kilos> i have already taken the sheep to pasture and finished washing dishes and pots and starting to make curry
[08:21] <inetpro> doing nothing is not good for your head
[08:22] <Kilos> and made one remark on trello and gently revved the northern peeps
[08:22] <inetpro> mooi!
[08:22] <Kilos> and greeted dholbach
[08:22] <Kilos> and nhaines
[08:22] <inetpro> lol
[08:22] <Kilos> hehe
[08:23] <Kilos> and meke jungle oats for breakfast that im wating till its cooller then i fill tummy
[08:23] <Kilos> then maybe sleep some
[08:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[08:24] <Kilos> s/meke/make
[08:24] <Kilos> Maaz  gracias
[08:24] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[08:24] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[08:24] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay :-)
[08:24] <Kilos> hmm... you get a smile too
[08:29] <Kilos> and inetpro  that ubuntu mail still not showing
[08:29] <Kilos> grrr
[08:30] <Kilos> but i was told assumptions
[08:37] <Kilos> Maaz  assumption
[08:37] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts, but when made by intelligent people is often proven to be true.
[08:50] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[08:50] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[09:12] <inetpro> Kilos: please rephrase
[09:13] <inetpro> Kilos: please rephrase "that ubuntu mail still not showing"
[09:20] <Kilos> still showing donner@gmail inetpro  
[09:21] <inetpro> and?
[09:21] <inetpro> what did you expect?
[09:21] <Mopkop> Hey guys, sorry I havn't been on lately. Had people come visit me this weekend, and couldn't do much. I'll try and finish that site tonight. :)
[09:21] <Kilos> and its supposed to show donner@ubuntu
[09:21] <inetpro> Kilos: and where do you expect it to change so magically?
[09:21] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  i thought you forgot us
[09:21] <inetpro> wb Mopkop
[09:22] <Kilos> sigh
[09:22] <Kilos> remember i did all that verify stuff to get it to there inetpro  
[09:22] <Kilos> ai!
[09:23] <Kilos> when i told you it takes 2 days or more you did the supposition thing
[09:23] <Kilos> cool Mopkop  ty
[09:23] <inetpro> Kilos: you should read the information in context 
[09:24] <Mopkop> Thank you. It's just the homepage and the Get Ubuntu I still have to do. There are other things like the mailing list, and the signing of the code of conduct which I haven't added yet, but I guess it is not necessary for the initial site.
[09:24] <Kilos> i did it said it will take 48 hours for the script to run
[09:24] <inetpro> Kilos: I told you that part was relevant to you becoming a member some time ago
[09:24] <Kilos> no mailing list moppie
[09:24] <inetpro> it is irrelevant now
[09:25] <inetpro> unless you change your LP id
[09:25] <Kilos> eish
[09:25] <Kilos> so isnt it gonna work
[09:25] <inetpro> Kilos: your address is working
[09:25] <Kilos> yaya one way only
[09:26] <inetpro> obviously!
[09:26] <Kilos> must i do something else to get it going out as well
[09:26] <inetpro> the sending part is for you to sort out for yourself
[09:26] <Kilos> i did the smtp thing
[09:27] <Kilos> oh
[09:27] <Kilos> so if its working one way then i have to find where i messed up?
[09:27] <inetpro> ai!
[09:28] <Kilos> forget it for now
[10:40] <inetpro> ai!
[10:51] <Kilos> wat nou
[10:52] <inetpro> Kilos: you stop talking, everybody else stops talking
[10:52] <Kilos> lol
[10:55] <Kilos> im the singer in the rock and roll band
[11:19] <mazal> Lo everyone
[11:19] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[11:20] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[11:20] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy seun?
[11:20] <mazal> Styf en seer en besig , maar andersins goed
[11:20] <Kilos> styf van wat
[11:20] <Kilos> het jy geoefen
[11:21] <mazal> Het die naweek klomp nuwe meubels gevarnish. Daai op die knieë kruip ding werk nie meer vir my nie :P
[11:21] <Kilos> lol
[11:21] <Kilos> hele huis stink hier
[11:21] <Kilos> ek maak kerrie
[11:22] <mazal> oi
[11:23] <Kilos> lol
[11:23] <Kilos> ruik lekker man nie eintlik stink nie
[11:23]  * mazal eetie kerrie nie
[11:23] <mazal> mens vang vis met daai goed
[11:23] <Kilos> daarom sukkel jy
[11:23] <Kilos> kerrie is baie gesond
[11:24] <mazal> Is apt-get autoremove safe to remove kernels ?
[11:25] <Kilos> ya it removes all your stuff in archives as well
[11:25] <Kilos> most of it anyway
[11:26] <mazal> This weekend an update listed a bunch of package that it says are no longer needed and kernels are amongst them , and told me to use autoremove
[11:26] <mazal> Didn't do it though
[11:26] <mazal> Wanted to ask here first
[11:27] <Kilos> i have before  and nothing ever broke
[11:27] <mazal> k
[11:27] <mazal> So if it breaks my server you redo it :)
[11:27] <Kilos> it removes safely stuff that doesnt work anymore
[11:27] <mazal> It's my most important server , it runs minetest :)
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:27] <Kilos> it wont break man
[11:28] <mazal> Strange things happen with me , I tend to get problems nobody else get
[11:28] <Kilos> lol
[11:29] <mazal> Will do it at next update
[11:29] <mazal> Be ready
[11:29] <Kilos> bangjan
[11:29] <mazal> Issie , net versigtig
[11:29] <Kilos> lol
[11:29] <mazal> Don't have time to re-install server
[11:29] <Kilos> im sure it 100% safe
[11:29] <Kilos> ask inetpro  ^^
[11:30] <mazal> My backups runs to it as well , so it's kinda important
[11:31] <Kilos> why not google can apt-get autoremove break anything
[11:33] <mazal> It will return " Anything can break anything , it depends how you use it "
[11:33] <Kilos> no man im sure its safe
[11:37] <inetpro> mazal: man apt-get
[11:37] <Kilos> lol
[11:37] <mazal> Does not compute :P
[11:37] <inetpro> huh?
[11:38] <mazal> I don't speak man
[11:38] <mazal> inetpro: This one I just wonder how safe it is
[11:39] <inetpro> ai!
[11:39] <Kilos> lol
[11:39] <inetpro> you want the long story?
[11:39] <mazal> Or should I rather just leave the old kernels alone
[11:39] <mazal> I was bitten once with this
[11:40] <Kilos> nee man
[11:40] <Kilos> you fiddled with other stuff
[11:41] <mazal> No I followed a procedure from ask ubuntu that used synaptic to remove old kernels. Had a very unstable system after that
[11:41] <mazal> So now when I see anything that says remove old kernels I am careful
[11:41] <Kilos> haha 
[11:42] <Kilos> you can leave them there safely too
[11:42] <Kilos> but sooner or later you will need to clean up
[11:44] <inetpro> RTFS
[11:45] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[11:45] <inetpro> and google is your buddy
[11:46] <inetpro> autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed
[11:46] <inetpro> that is as simple as it gets
[11:47] <mazal> My question was if it's safe
[11:47] <inetpro> you can always make a backup if you want to feel safe
[11:48] <inetpro> also look at "-s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act" in the man page
[11:51] <inetpro> and if you get petrified from reading man pages locally you can always read them online
[11:51] <inetpro> see: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/en/man8/apt-get.8.html
[12:02] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[12:02] <TinuvaMac> good afternoon Kilos, how are things here today?
[12:03] <Kilos> good ty and there?
[12:03] <Kilos> the pro is having a man and rtfs session so all good
[12:05] <mazal> Lo TinuvaMac
[12:05] <TinuvaMac> mostly good, bit tired thankyou
[12:35] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:36] <mazal> oom Kilos nie te veel kerrie eetie hoor :)
[12:36] <Kilos> lol dis te lekker man
[12:37] <Kilos> lekker aand
[13:37] <Kilos> rtfs rtfs rtfs if you dont understand it you can rtfs till you blind
[13:37] <Kilos> it dont help
[14:08] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[14:08] <kulelu88> Hello oom
[14:10] <Kilos> lol
[14:10] <kulelu88> oh i mean hello Kilos 
[14:10] <Kilos> we both wave to you
[14:46] <inetpro> Kilos: apt-get will warn you about what it will do unless you pass a -y to bypass all prompts and run it non-interactively
[14:46] <Kilos> yip almost like aptitude
[14:47] <Kilos> i still prefer aptitude
[14:47] <inetpro> RTFS is relevant, always!
[14:47] <Kilos> sigh as jy did kan verstaan en onthou ja
[14:48] <Kilos> lots of peeps dont understand man pages
[14:49] <inetpro> you mean lots of peeps simply FAIL to read very clear instructions on the screen
[14:49] <Kilos> that too ya
[14:50] <Kilos> the world is made up of 2 types of peeps , slim en dom
[14:51] <Kilos> and many shades in between
[14:51] <Kilos> are you home yet inetpro  ?
[16:11] <inetpro> Kilos: the short answer is yes 
[16:12] <Kilos> lol
[16:12] <Kilos> good
[16:12] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[16:12] <inetpro> the long answer is no, I can not help you now 
[16:12] <inetpro> family time 
[16:12] <Kilos> i dont want help ty
[16:13] <inetpro> :-) 
[16:13] <Kilos> :D
[16:21] <Kilos> one would swear i only talk to you when i need help
[16:21] <Kilos> grrr
[16:25] <inetpro> ai!
[16:25] <Kilos> lol i knew that would get a reaction
[16:27] <inetpro> Kilos: you must tell that mazal dude of yours he must start working again for a change
[16:27] <Kilos> rofl
[16:27] <Kilos> dude of mine?
[16:28] <inetpro> his "Fun on Ubuntu wiki" project has been in limbo for a long time now
[16:28] <Kilos> oh ya i saw that yesterday
[16:28] <inetpro> been more than a month
[16:29] <Kilos> sjoe that a bad show
[16:29] <Kilos> i looked at some things there this morning
[16:30] <Kilos> like we must find place to put the walk through for coc and some others then archive some stuff
[16:31] <Kilos> spinza  you here? or just your pc doing the floods
[16:32] <spinza> hey what's up?
[16:33] <Kilos> long time you dont chat to us, whatsup there
[16:33] <Kilos> and this 
[16:33] <Kilos>  spinza (~spin@197.89.19.249) has left this server (Excess Flood).
[16:33] <Kilos> something there is flooding freenode
[16:39] <Kilos> im trying to learn something about win8
[16:39] <Kilos> sjoe what a schlep
[16:44] <Kilos> hmm... no snide remarks
[17:40] <inetpro> Kilos: why? 
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> well its not linux man
[17:44] <Kilos> i just need to be prepared in case they come back later
[17:45] <Kilos> and you cantr charge school kids
[17:49] <inetpro> if they don't know better to use a proper OS they should pay double for wasting your time 
[17:51] <inetpro> going to take you months to unlearn all of that now 
[17:51] <Kilos> they dont have a choice at school
[17:52] <Kilos> i just need to know basic operation and how to get in as the main admin guy
[17:53] <inetpro> they must teach the teacher to do the right thing 
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <Kilos> do your kids?
[17:53] <inetpro> my kids don't do windows 
[17:54] <Kilos> and mage been trying for 4 years
[17:54] <Kilos> aha now we getting somewhere
[17:55] <inetpro> unfortunately/fortunately they don't have IT as a subject 
[17:55] <Kilos>  ill try find out what they do with pc at school 
[17:56] <Kilos> you can teach them more about IT than most schools
[17:56] <gremble> IT in school is more about programming in java/delphi
[17:56] <gremble> And some networking nonesense
[17:57] <Kilos> and can that be done with a buntu pc?
[17:57] <gremble> Goodluck getting delphi working on ubuntu
[17:57] <gremble> :P
[17:57] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <Kilos> i dunno that stuff man
[17:58] <Kilos> easier to fix win pcs for them. those with rich parents ill charge
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: some reading for you:  On being an Ubuntu member https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2015/03/on-being-an-ubuntu-member/
[18:02] <inetpro> or anyone else for that matter
[18:03] <inetpro> even for gremble
[18:03]  * Kilos goes to see
[18:05] <gremble> Altera takes hours to install
[18:05] <gremble> I didn't know that it would be possible for something to take this long to install
[18:05] <gremble> Good lord
[18:06] <gremble> I wanted to play with an fpga this afternoon. Like 4 hours ago
[18:06] <inetpro> fpga?
[18:07] <gremble> Field programmable gate array
[18:07] <inetpro> sounds like fun
[18:07] <gremble> It is supposed to be
[18:07] <gremble> Once I get all this software installed so that my computer can recognise the hardware
[18:08] <Kilos> inetpro  reason for that link?
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: motivating you
[18:09] <Kilos> i say hi to dholbach every morning and he is part of the team that decides on board peeps
[18:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:09] <Kilos> you the one needs motivation man
[18:10] <Kilos> he is in berlin
[18:32] <superfly> inetpro: I'm still not sure why you use pyenv, when it costs your more data, and is so much more complicated than just using virtualenv. at the end of the day, pyenv just uses virtualenv anyways
[18:32] <superfly> I've updated the instructions to show how to use vanilla virtualenv
[18:33] <inetpro> superfly: because it's easy 
[18:33] <superfly> inetpro: easier than vanilla? maybe you should look at my instructions
[18:33] <inetpro> :-)
[18:33] <inetpro> I'll have a look, thanks
[18:35] <inetpro> superfly: ⟫ bzr up
[18:35] <inetpro> Tree is up to date at revision 24 of branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-za  
[18:35] <inetpro> no change?
[18:35] <superfly> inetpro: dude, I only just sat down at my PC
[18:35] <inetpro> ai!
[18:35] <superfly> let's not mention the laundry list of things I have to do just tonight
[18:36] <superfly> talking of which, I'd better get going, I have some stuff to do
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: sounds like he's on fire
[18:36] <Kilos> ya dont throw water
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: keep the firehose ready
[18:36] <inetpro> for just in case
[18:36] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:37] <Kilos> you must one day teamview with him and watch him work
[18:37] <Kilos> i loved it
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: where's that mopkop buddy of yours?
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> i dunno why he went off. hopefully not loadshedding
[18:40] <Kilos> hopefully he can finish then africa can go life tomorrow or soon after. fly must still review his work
[18:40] <inetpro> next time you see him, tell him to upload and share his branch whether finished or not
[18:41] <Kilos> will do
[18:41] <inetpro> don't mention the flying dude, he's busy
[18:42] <Kilos> Maaz  tell mopkop Please upload your branch, finished or not , so it can be reviewed and site go live
[18:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell mopkop on freenode
[18:42] <inetpro> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> what now?
[18:43] <inetpro> we don't want to review and merge unfinished work, we just want to view progress
[18:43] <Kilos> thats in case i forget or have bad head man'
[18:43] <Kilos> if its close fly will finish it
[18:45] <Kilos> oh and whats with this new groove of yours inetpro  
[18:45] <inetpro> groove?
[18:46] <Kilos> you must tell that mazal dude of yours he must start working again for a change
[18:46] <Kilos> where's that mopkop buddy of yours
[18:46] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:47] <inetpro> all your big buddies man :-)
[18:47] <Kilos> and yours
[18:48] <Kilos> we are one family
[18:48]  * inetpro is way too grumpy and inconsistent and not always here
[18:49] <Kilos> there are always odd balls in every family
[18:50] <inetpro> obviously
[18:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:50] <Kilos> why
[18:57] <superfly> I thought I was the grumpy old man?
[18:58] <Kilos> lolol
[19:00]  * superfly gets all grumpy
[19:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:01] <inetpro> superfly: you can have it if you want
[19:01] <Kilos> ya you both do but also you both have lots of patience and understanding
[19:02]  * inetpro puts the mr nice guy mask on his face
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:02]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[19:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:02]  * Kilos sir
[19:03] <inetpro> Maaz: announce free coffee for all and sundry
[19:03] <Maaz> Announcement from inetpro! free coffee for all and sundry
[19:03] <Kilos> all the chatty peeps arent here tonight
[19:04] <inetpro> you mean guys like Squirm?
[19:04] <Kilos> ya 
[19:04] <inetpro> and nuvolari
[19:04] <inetpro> and nlsthzn
[19:04] <Kilos> and padroni
[19:05] <Kilos> nlsthzn  is here but washing nappies or something
[19:05] <Kilos> you guys dunno how to do it
[19:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:06] <Kilos> my first stinky nappy change, i took ian outside, dropped nappy in dustbin and hosed ian clean
[19:06] <Kilos> never had to change another nappy
[19:06] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[19:06] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:07] <inetpro> yikes Kilos, I'm trying to have a cup of coffee
[19:07] <Kilos> lol
[19:29] <superfly> what's Bradley's nick?
[19:29] <Kilos> ai!
[19:29] <Kilos> captine
[19:30] <Kilos> i think
[19:30] <Kilos> inetpro  verify!
[19:31] <inetpro> yep
[19:36] <inetpro> thanks superfly
[19:38] <superfly> Maaz: Tell captine I've merged your changes and they're live on the site.
[19:38] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell captine on freenode
[20:04] <Kilos> inetpro  did moppie leave something there for the tlc thing
[20:04] <inetpro> uh
[20:05] <Kilos> i thought he said last night he had done it and was waiting for the merge
[20:05] <inetpro> why you asking me?
[20:05] <Kilos> so have you guys viewed it
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos, superfly: please check https://trello.com/c/8GHqYUbq
[20:07] <Kilos> ya that
[20:09] <inetpro> Kilos: 03/30 20:35:52 <superfly> let's not mention the laundry list of things I have to do just tonight
[20:12] <Kilos> ok
[20:12] <Kilos> then you must chech these things beforehand and just let fly merge them
[20:13] <inetpro> no
[20:13] <Kilos> you are know as my buddy inetpro  
[20:13] <Kilos> yes
[20:13] <inetpro> oh
[20:14] <Kilos> ive allowed you into my field of close contacts
[20:14] <Kilos> hehe
[20:16] <inetpro> oh
[20:16] <inetpro> superfly: you use Sphinx for OpenLP as well?
[20:17] <Kilos> you can be such a twit at times
[20:17] <Kilos> if not for you 2 i wouldnt be here
[20:17] <inetpro> Kilos: what is a twit?
[20:18] <Kilos> twit=sometimes idiot
[20:18] <Kilos> when it suits him
[20:19] <inetpro> hmm... someone who makes a retarded chimp look smart?
[20:23] <inetpro> Kilos: not sure whether to take it as an insult or as a joke
[20:23] <inetpro> calling someone a twit can be very insulting
[20:24] <Kilos> oh maybe it can be but you know better!
[20:25] <Kilos> you know i wouldnt insult you intentionally
[20:27]  * inetpro will have to go looking for the sjambok
[20:27] <Kilos> in your own words  you have to take things in context
[20:28] <inetpro> or the fly will have to come for the rescue
[20:31] <superfly> inetpro: can we archive Feb?
[20:31] <inetpro> superfly: done
[20:31] <Kilos> lol
[20:31] <superfly> ta
[20:39] <Kilos> skuus inetpro  
[20:39] <Kilos> i go sleep my cheek off
[20:39] <inetpro> Kilos: no harm done really :-)
[20:39] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:39] <inetpro> good night Kilos