[00:03] <gnumbknuts> ali1234: re: gmb. Would putting a symlink in the /home/user/music folder that pointed to other places that media may be stored, allow gmb to follow that link ? 
[00:03] <ali1234> no idea
[00:03] <ali1234> gmb allows you to set multiple scan directories
[00:04] <gnumbknuts> Oh, I thought that was the problem, that gmb would only scan one directory.
[00:04] <ali1234> no
[00:21] <Unit193> Remastering isn't too hard.
[00:38] <gnumbknuts> Unit193: It may not be for Devs, but looking at the Ubuntu-wiki, it is way over the top for me :{ 
[00:43] <gnumbknuts> Ali1234: I put a symlink in the music folder that points to the video folder, Exaile has no problem with that. I will need to install gmb to see if it, too, will follow the link. 
[00:43] <ali1234> i expect it would
[00:43] <ali1234> you'd have to go out of your way to make it not
[00:43] <Unit193> Well, not precisely the deviest dev.
[00:47] <gnumbknuts> BTW... who does the packaging for Xubuntu-daily.iso(s)? Is this done by Canonical ?
[00:47] <Unit193> Building the ISOs?  That's the Canonical/Ubuntu build system, yes.
[00:47] <Unit193> !info livecd-rootfs
[00:48] <gnumbknuts> So pretty much I, and everyone else, will need for them to update the daily with the sylinux files ?  
[00:49] <ali1234> everything is built on canonical infrastructure, that is what it means to be an official flavour vs an unofficial respin
[00:50] <ali1234> two more tests done: rhythmbox: 12 minutes, quod libet: 11 minutes
[00:50] <ali1234> and i rebooted between each test so this is not the effect of disk cache
[01:17] <gnumbknuts> ali1234: installed gmb, it too, can follow the symlink ; however it will only show audio files that it supports ; and thus, if a folder contains none, then the folder will not appear. Decibel-player has not problem either ; but something I did not know about Decibel, is that it can play the audio from mp4 video files. :) 
[01:18] <ali1234> gmb shows files it can't play on my system
[01:18] <ali1234> weirdly they play fine in rhythmbox, even though they both use gstreamer
[01:18] <ali1234> i do not understand this, i'll be investigating it further in a later test
[01:19] <Unit193> ali1234: Try Aqualung! :-----D
[01:20] <gnumbknuts> I'm using, in gmb, the Exaile layout with the files tab open. gmb version is the one from staging.
[01:21] <ali1234> banshee just finished importing. 11 minutes
[01:23] <ali1234> Unit193: Package aqualung is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:24] <Unit193> Partially why I was joking, I have it in a staging PPA but it does not seem like the greatest client IMO.
[01:39] <gnumbknuts> Unit123: re: livecd-rootfs, is the package able to rebuild an iso with the extra files ? I can not find much info about it, nor those other packages like "live-image-xfce-desktop" . 
[01:40] <ali1234> exaile: 6 minutes!
[01:40] <Unit193> ali1234: If you're really bored, ppa:unit193/staging and try aqualung from there, see if it can do faster.
[01:41] <Unit193> If you aren't, no real need to I suppose.
[02:02] <ali1234> audacious: 4 minutes. they are getting faster... weird
[02:38] <gnumbknuts> "they are getting faster... weird" . If you have ever wondered about artificial intelligence, then look no further that an "ant trail". Notices how over time how the trail corrects its self. Obviously, the music players are following each other, but slithly correcting them selves every time. That's my theory...
[06:39] <ochosi> morning folks
[06:40] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[06:50] <gnumbknuts> It's alive!, it lives! I managed to repackage the xubuntu-daily.iso with the syslinux packages; fired up usb-creator-gtk to make a bootable usbstick; and guess what? It works :)
[06:51] <Noskcaj> Do we know what xfce packages are getting another point release soon? I'd like to start backporting git patches from things that aren't
[06:54] <gnumbknuts> Unit193: the convoluted method wasn't so bad after all. Once the image is mounted as a live system on the host system, it is just a matter of using the apt-get package commands.
[07:16] <ochosi> Noskcaj: what git patches are you thinking of specifically?
[07:17] <Noskcaj> Nothing specific really, but i've heard of fairly important fixes in thunar and xfdesktop, and i doubt that's all
[07:50] <ochosi> not sure what's planned wrt those two
[07:51] <ochosi> for thunar i thought that bluesabre already included the patch (or at least he was looking into that) that fixed the crashes on moving/copying files
[07:52] <Unit193> 1.6.6-1ubuntu2 in staging, I presume.
[08:54] <ochosi> Unit193: yes, not sure it's the latest rev though
[10:48] <bluesabre> ochosi, Unit193: yes, thats the latest revision of that patch
[10:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: was that the one that worked or the one you reported some issues against?
[11:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: the issue I reported is a different bug it seems
[11:08] <bluesabre> many different bugs causing copy/move/paste to segfault
[11:08] <bluesabre> elfy: Do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1385624 has been resolved?
[11:14] <knome> hey bluesabre, ochosi 
[11:15] <knome> let's fix the website :]
[11:15] <knome> the development subteams at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ are broken now
[11:15] <knome> in the sense that they do not make sense for some part; documentation and translation should be in one page
[11:16] <knome> artwork should probably be its own page
[11:16] <knome> and marketing and promotion mashed up with the website team, unless we consider that the subteam of those
[11:16] <bluesabre> and we can finish the lp descriptions as well
[11:16] <knome> or maybe the promotion part should be renamed...
[11:17] <bluesabre> but I gotta go get ready for work now, bbl
[11:17] <knome> it basically says that the promotion is telling your friends about xubuntu
[11:17] <knome> it is *not* a xubuntu subteam as is
[11:17] <knome> so maybe it should go with support, as it originally was, iirc
[11:17] <knome> originally being... around 2008-2009
[11:17] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=3076
[11:18] <knome> ^ for those of you who are logged in
[11:18]  * slickymasterWork logs in
[11:19] <ochosi> sorry folks, same here, gotta run
[11:19] <knome> duh :P
[11:20] <slickymasterWork> knome, if I'm understanding it correctly http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=3076 isn't live presently
[11:20] <knome> yes, that's right
[11:21] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I agree with you, doc and translation should on a page of its own
[11:22] <slickymasterWork> and it would be just a matter of refreshing that page content
[11:22] <knome> i don't think that the page content necessarily needs a big refresh
[11:22] <knome> but if you feel like it, feel free to poke it
[11:24] <slickymasterWork> by refreshing it I mean, check how accurate/up-to-date is the content and correct it if need knome 
[11:24] <knome> yep
[11:24] <knome> iirc, we relatively lately updated it
[11:24] <slickymasterWork> I just read it diagonally 
[11:25] <slickymasterWork> screencasts
[11:25] <knome> hm?
[11:26] <slickymasterWork> never thought of those as potentially being part of the -docs tasks/actions/work
[11:26] <knome> i don't think that is exactly realistic for any team to do
[11:26]  * knome shrugs
[11:26] <slickymasterWork> yes, realistic would be the key word here
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> knome, you have fiddle with that page for sure, all the links are pointing to the right pages
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> including to the latest changes to our process page
[11:29] <slickymasterWork> IMO, the page content is right as it is, and I can't see any issues preventing it from going live´
[11:30] <knome> yep ;)
[11:30] <slickymasterWork> lol, here's a prove of your hand on it -> Xubuntu 15.04   Xubuntu Vivid Vervet Beta 2 
[11:30] <knome> that's the website footer :P
[11:31] <knome> what would you feel about of this:
[11:31] <knome> in addition to the subteam listing
[11:31] <knome> make another subsection
[11:31] <knome> which said
[11:31] <slickymasterWork> I know, I just didn't want to disclose Last edited by Pasi Lallinaho on .....
[11:32] <knome> "Even if you couldn't contribute *to* Xubuntu, you can help us by doing one of the following things:"
[11:32] <knome> then proceed with a list of support places people can help at and mention they can promote xubuntu as much as they can
[11:32] <knome> last can==want
[11:33] <slickymasterWork> why the past tense at the beginning of the sentence knome: even if you couldn't...?
[11:33]  * knome shrugs
[11:34] <knome> don't stick to the irrelevant things
[11:35] <slickymasterWork> I try not to, thing is it seems paradoxal withing the sense of the rest of it
[11:35] <knome> huhu
[11:36] <slickymasterWork> it's like we're assuming that someone hasn't yet been able to contribute yet, but they can then do something from the list
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> and could be prone to be misread, or misinterpreted 
[11:37]  * knome shrugs
[11:37] <knome> yes mister language police
[11:37] <knome> my main point was
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> nah
[11:37] <knome> what if we separated the support and promotion stuff from the main list
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> yes, I do agree with your underlying point
[11:38] <slickymasterWork> but by separating do you mean to have another distinct page?
[11:38] <knome> no
[11:38] <knome> just another subsection on the main page
[11:39] <slickymasterWork> ok I was going to say that in the main page would be preferable 
[11:39] <slickymasterWork> not to lose readers/users attention by having to navifate to yet another page
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> * navigate
[11:40] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=3081
[11:41] <slickymasterWork> exactly
[11:42] <slickymasterWork> knome, can we continue after lunch?
[11:42] <slickymasterWork> I have a medical appointment at 13:00
[11:42] <knome> not sure i'm around then, but you can surely poke the stuff then
[11:43] <slickymasterWork> ok
[11:43] <slickymasterWork> gotta run now
[11:43] <slickymasterWork> ->
[11:45] <elfy> bluesabre: I guess I'm not seeing it when I boot livesessions - and it used to show up there
[11:59] <elfy> knome: http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=3076 ... our guidelines and good conventions for Xubuntu translations page 
[11:59] <knome> yes?
[11:59] <elfy> implies that we also have some bad conventions to me :)
[11:59] <knome> lol
[11:59] <knome> maybe we do...
[12:00] <elfy> then please make sure to document them and link on the same page :D
[12:00] <knome> i will
[12:00] <elfy> should lose the good in the meantime 
[12:01] <knome> mhm
[14:17] <ochosi> Unit193: just a reminder to schedule the next meeting
[14:17] <elfy> irony :p
[14:17]  * ochosi will be mostly offline for the next week btw (easter holidays so very little computarrrs)
[14:17] <ochosi> elfy: ;)
[14:21] <elfy> ochosi: btw - since last xfpm upgrade - not complaining about crashes
[14:21] <ochosi> so things are fine again?
[14:22] <ochosi> havent had much chance to play with anything lately tbh
[14:23] <ochosi> only noticed that eric fixed one bug stemming from upower not delivering any device info
[14:23] <elfy> seems to come back from suspend and lock ok now 
[14:24] <ochosi> nice
[14:24] <ochosi> and weird
[14:24] <ochosi> no xfpm changes related to that
[14:24] <ochosi> so maybe a kernel bug to begin with?
[14:24] <ochosi> or systemd
[14:25] <elfy> possible systemd
[14:25] <elfy> not kernel - or if kernel intermittent
[14:27] <elfy> last systemd update here saturday not sure when I spoke to eric 
[18:11] <ali1234> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer <- i've rotated the table so it fits better and added the import test results
[18:57] <Unit193> Meh...
[20:36] <Unit193> If that's all that is on the agenda, no need to have it right now.
[20:43] <elfy> so last meeting then ... what's " updating the team/subteam descriptions on Launchpad shortly to conform to a standard layout" even about - only thing I've seen about that is a line or two in the logs and a link to a pad
[20:45] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev for example has a description of the team, they want to update them or at least look at them and make sure they all make sense.
[20:45] <elfy> the 'they' again
[20:45] <knome> elfy, see https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website
[20:46] <knome> that was something i put up, and something i worked on with bluesabre
[20:46] <knome> basically just to make everything more usable and point people to resources where they can get started with contributing
[20:47] <elfy> mmm 
[20:48] <elfy> I love the decision making processes here lately
[20:48] <knome> lol
[20:48] <Unit193> LP isn't really the place to have that information, though.
[20:48] <knome> Unit193, noo, it's just a place to point people to that information
[20:48] <elfy> no - a meeting and/or mailing list is 
[20:49] <elfy> otherwise 2 or 3 of us could just ditch stuff like gmb that probably no-one uses
[20:49] <Unit193> Still, don't think LP is the right place to point to.
[20:50] <knome> Unit193, that has the new information.
[20:50] <knome> elfy, this isn't something like a default application change, this is something that reads on our website or a related page
[20:50] <Unit193> Good for it.  < Unit193> Still, don't think LP is the right place to point to.
[20:50] <elfy> I assume that's just an example knome pointed me at
[20:50] <knome> elfy, it's also acked by ochosi if you mean you'd rather have seen a team discussion
[20:51] <knome> i mean i don't consider it a biggie, and if somebody else wanted to improve stuff like that, i wouldn't mind them just going at it
[20:51] <elfy> knome: there just appears to be a lot of 'a couple of people and ochosi' talked in some other place about something - so we're going to do it like that now
[20:52] <elfy> we're either a community or we're not
[20:52] <knome> surely.
[20:52] <Unit193> So it's more of where it was discussed.
[20:52] <elfy> what's the point in having xubuntu-team 
[20:52] <Unit193> Or, wasn't.
[20:52] <elfy> well - wqasn't 
[20:53] <knome> Lastlog:
[20:53] <knome> 13:14  bluesabre: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-subteams Let us know if you  have any feedback for the proposed layout
[20:53] <knome> and yes, i noted you said meeting/ML
[20:53] <knome> but i don't think every small thing should be clogged up that path
[20:53] <knome> if you do, then we disagree here
[20:54] <knome> my best intentions are to improve stuff and *get it done*
[20:54] <knome> this is comparable to the qa team updating a testcase
[20:55] <knome> no need to let everybody weigh in on every discussion
[20:55] <elfy> I hardly think so
[20:55] <Unit193> FWIW, I dislike LP pages with long "descriptions."
[20:55] <knome> Unit193, right, having seen that description in use, i can probably agree it's a tad long. that said, it's revertable, so...
[20:55] <elfy> unless the QA team had a testcase had a testcase that listed how teams do things then globally changed them without saying anything 
[20:55] <slickymaster> well, qa always do ping someone when they fiddle with a testcase knome 
[20:56] <knome> slickymaster, and we pinged "someone" too when working on the LP description updates
[20:56] <Unit193> knome: Right, but the first appearance of the whole thing is a pad link in a meeting.  And sure, but..
[20:56] <slickymaster> not saying you didn't
[20:56] <knome> Unit193, so do you think it would have been better to not do anything before the meeting?
[20:57] <knome> i mean, if nothing was done, we could have started that only after the meeting, which would have meant the work would have been postponed to at least the next meeting
[20:57] <Unit193> elfy: To be fair, that's a "How to get involved with QA" type of thing, not changing how it's done but "correcting" documentation on how it's currently being handled.
[20:57] <knome> where we would have asked for comments in the same way...
[20:57] <elfy> knome: my issue is that all of these are presented to the rest of us as a fait accompli 
[20:58] <Unit193> knome: Didn't say meeting, but many people idle in here, if I somehow missed it, fine then, but I don't think I did.
[20:58] <elfy> you even go so far as to say ochosi acked it - which is just like saying - we're doing this this way 
[20:58] <knome> elfy, i hardly see it as such
[20:58] <knome> we worked on it and had a proposal; then we asked for comments
[20:59] <knome> there was "this is what we are going to do without your consent" type of thing
[20:59] <Unit193> So you'd say, rather than acked, agreed or liked it?
[21:01] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ would be a better page, IMO.
[21:01] <knome> Unit193, i don't understand that.
[21:01] <knome> Unit193, we aren't replacing anything with the launchpad descriptions
[21:02] <knome> it's just an additional source of information.
[21:02] <Unit193> Fine, well be that as it may, -1.
[21:03] <knome> i've landed this to the website team for two reasons 1) it's the team i'm leading and can edit the branding 2) this will let me see how it looks in action
[21:03] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:04] <knome> and as i said, this probably isn't as good as i thought it was
[21:04] <knome> i think we need to cut it down to probably just the basic tasks and a link to the contribution page
[21:05] <knome> we can go through more or less bureaucratical processes to get something like this decided, or then just see how it looks
[21:05] <knome> i guess the logical question for the future is: do we need the team to approve all content changes in the website in the future?
[21:06] <elfy> as I said, it's not so much the detail, but the way it's put across, maybe the way you write and I read
[21:06] <elfy> knome: if it makes a difference to how we as a whole are perceived then I'd say yes 
[21:07] <elfy> anyway - another day for me 
[21:07] <knome> elfy, i don't mean to surpass the teams influence in any way
[21:08] <knome> elfy, but i try to avoid too much bureaucracy on things
[21:08] <knome> elfy, it depends on the status quo too; if the descriptions were consistent already, then of course it would have needed more thorough investigating (unless it was a minor fix)
[21:09] <elfy> a launchpad page is the last place I would look for detail on something like this
[21:09] <knome> elfy, but currently, the descriptions are "what they are", they date far or not so far in the history, but afaui, they have never really been considered as an entirety
[21:10] <elfy> it's the wronn place
[21:10] <knome> elfy, what if somebody lands on that page, for what ever reason, first?
[21:10] <knome> do we just not tell them how to contribute? (or what the team does)
[21:10] <elfy> then the same information needs to be available on wiki, lp, mailing list, irc
[21:10] <elfy> or the argument is false
[21:10] <knome> the same information is available in the website
[21:11] <knome> where we have intentionally focused this
[21:11] <knome> eg. the one place to read how to start contributing
[21:11] <elfy> so why switch focus? 
[21:11] <knome> and this LP page links there
[21:11] <knome> we aren't switching focus
[21:11] <knome> we are adding one more outlet where we link to that information
[21:12] <elfy> wanting to add
[21:12] <elfy> anyway - night all 
[21:12] <Unit193> Why not *just* link to the website?
[21:12] <knome> i think it's sane to have short descriptions of the teams in LP, since LP memberships are the ones that decide what you *can do* in many cases
[21:12] <knome> Unit193, that's a fair comment, and one that i also said to be probably wiser than what we proposed
[21:13] <knome> Unit193, ....which is why we asked for feedback
[21:13] <knome> night elfy 
[21:13] <Unit193> Alright.  If for no other reason, then if something changes less places to change it.
[21:14] <knome> artwork currently says:
[21:14] <knome> The Xubuntu Artwork Team is responsible for creating the custom themes, graphics, splashes, and branding for the Xubuntu project. The artwork team wiki is located at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork
[21:14] <knome> Please note that only users who have contributed to Xubuntu perpetually will be approved to the team.
[21:14] <knome> To start contributing, join us at #xubuntu-devel or the Xubuntu development mailing list and introduce yourself as well as your skill set. Thanks for your interest and understanding.
[21:15] <slickymaster> I'm also of the opinion that it's a bit too much knome 
[21:15] <knome> slickymaster, yep.
[21:16] <knome> see the website team now
[21:16] <Unit193> Maybe more like  This team does foo  To get involved with this team, seehttp://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[21:17] <knome> Unit193, or maybe see the website team now? (:
[21:17] <slickymaster> yeah, the website team option is a more sane one
[21:17] <knome> but "to this team" sounds good
[21:17] <Unit193> Works for me™
[21:18] <slickymaster> ditto Unit193 
[21:18] <knome> i approve.
[21:18] <knome> :P
[21:19] <knome> updated pad
[21:19] <knome> ochosi, comments...
[21:19] <knome> ochosi, @ http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-subteams
[21:19] <knome> ochosi, see how it looks @ https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website
[21:20] <knome> btw, we should get the empty marathon-rs project dropped
[21:20] <knome> (why i asked if anybody saw nick lately)
[22:41] <bluesabre> Folks got chatty around here :)