[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <alexbrrsclnt> is there a support channel in spanish for a quick question?
[08:34] <lordievader> !spanish | alexbrrsclnt
[08:34] <alexbrrsclnt> kde desktop related
[08:34] <alexbrrsclnt> thanks
[08:39] <alexbrrsclnt> maybe someone can help me, i'm using kubuntu 14.04.02 for almost half year at my work office. we have a very poor network connection at the office, and at the times it goes very bad, the  desktop plasmoids slows down
[08:40] <alexbrrsclnt> i have a pretty good computer with 8gb of ram, so it's not a hardware problem
[08:40] <alexbrrsclnt> i have the desktop effects on and no problem with them
[08:41] <alexbrrsclnt> i can change form virtual desktop with the keyboard and go very fast, and the same when i change between apps with alt+tab
[08:42] <alexbrrsclnt> but the system tray, and other plasmoids go very slow when i use them with the mouse
[08:43] <alexbrrsclnt> i am sure that the network connection is the problem
[08:43] <alexbrrsclnt> but i dont know how to fix it
[08:44] <hateball> That sounds strange indeed
[08:44] <alexbrrsclnt> maybe anyone have read about it?
[08:44] <hateball> What are the "other" plasmoids?
[08:44] <alexbrrsclnt> btw sorry for my english :P
[08:44] <alexbrrsclnt> the kde menu (alt+f1)
[08:45] <hateball> I dunno if maybe you have network folders in an applet, or weather or something... but still I've never had such a problem when offline
[08:45] <hateball> alexbrrsclnt: Can you see if any process uses a lot of CPU when this happens?
[08:45] <alexbrrsclnt> i dont remember the name in english, the bottom bar with all the apps you are running
[08:45] <lordievader> Take a look at vmstat, there might be io wait involved.
[08:45] <alexbrrsclnt> wait, i check monitor
[08:46] <alexbrrsclnt> plasma-desktop procces is using 125Mb of ram
[08:47] <alexbrrsclnt> normal amount
[08:47] <hateball> Yes, and RAM is not CPU :)
[08:47] <hateball> Anyhow, this would only be relevant when you have a bad network connection
[08:47] <alexbrrsclnt> oh cpu, sorry
[08:47] <hateball> And what lordievader said is good
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt> i executed vmstat in konsole
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt> can i paste the result here?
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ------cpu-----
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt>  r  b   swpd  libre búfer caché   si   so    bi    bo   in   cs us sy id wa st
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt>  2  0      0 1398596 405408 2210628    0    0    72    42  225  880  4  1 93  2  0
[08:50] <alexbrrsclnt> that is a yes, hehe
[08:50] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: You need to keep it running and look at the 'wa' column when a slow down happens.
[08:50] <hateball> !paste | alexbrrsclnt, for future possibly long pastes
[08:50] <alexbrrsclnt> ok, sorry
[08:51] <hateball> No harm done :)
[08:55] <alexbrrsclnt> what would be a normal value for the 'wa' column?
[08:55] <alexbrrsclnt> i see 93 everytime i run the command
[08:56] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: It's shifted, you are likely looking at the idle times. Having an io wait of ~90% is bad.
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> ok, running vmstat 1 i see new values each second
[08:57] <lordievader> Should be less than 20%, preferable even less than 10%.
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> the 'wa' columns shows always almost 90%
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> that bad i think
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> :P
[08:58] <lordievader> As I said, you are probably looking at idle times. Second column from the right.
[08:58] <lordievader> Not 3rd column.
[08:59] <alexbrrsclnt> oh, that is a lot of diference
[08:59] <alexbrrsclnt> vmstat shows 0, 1, or 2 values
[09:00] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: Could you pastebin some recent output of vmstat?
[09:00] <alexbrrsclnt> yeah, wait
[09:02] <alexbrrsclnt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10711065/
[09:02] <alexbrrsclnt> here it is
[09:03] <lordievader> Oh, that looks quite okay.
[09:05] <alexbrrsclnt> fyi, at this moment, my network is going very bad, so the only way to change between apps is using the alt+tab, try to select with the mouse from the running apps panel goes for a long wait to see the effect and to make the change
[09:06] <lordievader> Does the io wait change?
[09:07] <alexbrrsclnt> which colum i have to look for? io > bi | bo ?
[09:07] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: Still the same, wa, second from the right.
[09:08] <alexbrrsclnt> ok, no, it shows the same value, always under 4
[09:09] <lordievader> Hmm, here when the taskbar freezes it is usually a hang on an nfs mount.
[09:09] <alexbrrsclnt> it's not freeze, its going very slow
[09:10] <alexbrrsclnt> i dont know how to explain
[09:10] <alexbrrsclnt> it responds, but you have to wait a lot to see the action run
[09:10] <alexbrrsclnt> the same if you click in the virtual desktop
[09:11] <alexbrrsclnt> when changing with ctrl-f1 ~ f4 is almost instantaneus
[09:12] <lordievader> Perhaps there is something in the logs, syslog or the xsession-errors log?
[09:13] <alexbrrsclnt> where can i find xsession-errors log?
[09:14] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: In your home dir.
[09:14] <lordievader> ~/.xsession-errors
[09:14] <alexbrrsclnt> thanks
[09:16] <alexbrrsclnt> it has only 3 lines
[09:16] <alexbrrsclnt> no related i think
[09:16] <lordievader> Those are not errors, I suppose?
[09:19] <hateball> alexbrrsclnt: you dont have your /home mounted on NFS or something like that?
[09:20] <alexbrrsclnt> no,something like 'script for none started at run_im' (it actually is in spanish, i made a pseudo translation :P)
[09:21] <alexbrrsclnt> i started ksystemlog, i don't see anything that may be an error
[09:22] <fcomtois> hi everyone
[09:22] <lordievader> o/
[09:22] <fcomtois> I just installed Kubuntu Beta 2
[09:23] <fcomtois> and I was wondering if you guys knew how to mount afp shares through dolphin ?
no i have a normal instalation
[10:27] <fcomtois> hey guys, anyone around?
[10:28] <lordievader> o/
[10:29] <lordievader> fcomtois: What is an afp share anyways?
[10:32] <fcomtois> Apple Filing Protocol
[10:34] <lordievader> Meh, I know rarely little about Apple.
[10:36] <fcomtois> yeah
[10:36] <fcomtois> it's a relatively archaic protocol since it is my understanding that Apple uses samba nowadays
[11:16] <mat619> Hi there. I wanted to give 15.04 beta 2 a try on physical hardware, but it turns out I can't start the installer - seems I'm affected by this bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1436497
[11:16] <lordievader> Auch
[11:16] <mat619> anyone here got an idea how to work around that issue, so I can install it?
[11:17] <lordievader> mat619: Does the daily suffer from the same issue?
[11:17] <mat619> lordievader: no idea, didn't try yet. will do.
[11:18] <mat619> lordievader: downloading ISOs takes a while for me, sadly, so I'd rather find a workaround if there is one
[11:19] <mat619> since nobody mentioned any updates solving the issue in the bug report I'm also not sure if the daily would really make a difference
[11:19] <lordievader> mat619: Please do confirm the bug, and ask around in #kubuntu-devel
[11:19] <mat619> lordievader: will do, thanks!
[11:20] <mat619> lordievader: just have to make sure I can actually reproduce it, so will try it a few more times with other choice of boot params, locale etc.
[11:23] <mat619> lordievader: oh. here we go... not reproducable: just booted it another time (3rd attempt) with the same parameters, now it works. weird.
[11:23] <lordievader> Ah, could you report those findings in the bug report, though?
[11:25] <mat619> I will, if I can provide any useful info at all. Will give it a few more tries to track down the cause. Might be hardware related after all
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:38] <mat619> one more question regarding 15.04: does the latest beta ship with a proprietary radeon driver? or an install helper for it?
[11:41] <yossarianuk> mat619: looks like version - 14.201-0ubuntu2 0
[11:41] <yossarianuk> One issue I have with ubuntu and variants is lack of the latest closed source GPU drivers
[11:41] <yossarianuk> they stick with older versions with known bugs in (and lack of h/w support) in the name of 'stability;'
[11:42] <yossarianuk> its not like the devs can fix the version they 'support'
[11:43] <BluesKaj> mat619, the default radeon is , xserver-xorg-video-radeon, on 15.04
[11:44] <BluesKaj> that's what muon shows as installed here on 15.04 , even though I use an nvidia gpu :)
[11:44] <mat619> BluesKaj: k, thx
[11:45] <BluesKaj> so 15.04 is radeon ready I suppose
[12:00] <sysop2> can anyone help me with a possible man in the middle attack?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> sysop2, how you know
[12:18] <lordievader> sysop2: Why do you think you are being MITM'ed?
[12:30] <sysop2> not think, know.
[12:31] <sysop2> when I ssh into any box from inside my network or from work I get a different key then if I ssh from my phone.
[12:31] <iconic2> not know, do
[12:31] <iconic2> is your phone using your lan?
[12:31] <sysop2> can you think of another explanation? I really wish there was one.
[12:32] <sysop2> no. my phone is using the cell network. hard to believe the cell network is safer.
[12:32] <iconic2> just download a tor network app
[12:32] <lordievader> sysop2: Wich one is correct?
[12:32] <sysop2> the one on the cell network.
[12:33] <lordievader> sysop2: Do they resolve to the same ip?
[12:33] <iconic2> well you get a different key because I bet your phones os is different from your computer and thus making handshakes different for different creditentials
[12:34] <sysop2> that is not the case. no matter what username you connect as the key is always the same.
[12:34] <lordievader> The key should be the same, iconic2
[12:34] <sysop2> so please stay out of this if you do not know what you are talking about.
[12:34] <sysop2> thanks lordievader
[12:35] <sysop2> lordievader, so what can I look for? what is man in the middling me on my own network?
[12:35] <lordievader> sysop2: Please do be friendly to the people trying to help you.
[12:35] <lordievader> sysop2: As I said, do they resolve to the same ip.
[12:35] <iconic2> Sorry, just suggestions
[12:35] <sysop2> sorry a little on edge.
[12:35] <sysop2> no the resolve to different ips internally and externally.
[12:36] <lordievader> iconic2: No problem, I'm glad you are trying to help :)
[12:36] <lordievader> sysop2: There is your problem.
[12:36] <iconic2> Yep two different locations
[12:36] <lordievader> Or at least likely, the problem.
[12:36] <sysop2> but that only affects how the key is looked up in known hosts. I am deleting known hosts before I connect to see the error.
[12:37] <iconic2> you should make it easier on yourself and setup a proxy server so that your comp and phone use the proxy and end up tied together
[12:37] <sysop2> the key wont change just because its being called from a different ip.
[12:38] <lordievader> sysop2: What happens when they connect to the same ip?
[12:38] <sysop2> hold on let me try connecting to the same ip brb
[12:39] <iconic2> Well when I worked for AOL I had different secure ID key for when I logged in while on campus then when I remotely connected to the campus servers
[12:40] <sysop2> nope same key
[12:40] <sysop2> same wrong key
[12:40] <sysop2> once I connect I do a ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub and the keys are different
[12:40] <lordievader> sysop2: How do the network routes look like?
[12:40] <sysop2> good question.
[12:41] <iconic2> I bet it has to do with hostmask
[12:41] <lordievader> The two routes I mean, one uses the cellular. What does the other look like?
[12:42] <sysop2> but how the traffic is routed wont affect the key?
[12:43] <sysop2> and there is nothing weird when I do the route command.  just my router being the defualt gateway and the .0 broadcast address.
[12:43] <lordievader> If they end up at a different server it does.
[12:43] <sysop2> true.  but everything in this case is going through the same router at my house.
[12:44] <lordievader> sysop2: Ok, you are going to need to explain your entire network setup.
[12:46] <paul__> .
[12:47] <BluesKaj> uhm, is there any chance you can settle oin onew nick
[12:47] <BluesKaj> oops one nick
[12:56] <sysop2> lordievader, its pretty standard. just a netgear router and a couple of machine behind it.
[12:56] <sysop2> I have one that is a dedicated ssh server, thats where I first noticed the problem.
[12:58] <iconic2> I use a proxy server for all my i-net connections so that I keep the same IP and hostmask
[12:59] <lordievader> sysop2: Ok, take a random client somewhere on the internet. Am I correct in saying that the path is: client -> router -> server?
[12:59] <sysop2> yes
[12:59] <sysop2> that what it looks like
[12:59] <lordievader> Okay, does your router run an ssh server?
[12:59] <sysop2> no
[12:59] <lordievader> I suppose the router nats?
[13:00] <sysop2> its just a plain netgear
[13:00] <sysop2> yep
[13:00] <iconic2> his gateway is off
[13:00] <lordievader> Are the portforwarding correct?
[13:00] <sysop2> yes
[13:00] <sysop2> my geteway is the router locally.
[13:00] <lordievader> sysop2: Does your server see incoming ssh traffic when you try to connect from the outside of your network.
[13:01] <sysop2> how would i tell?
[13:01] <iconic2> the logs
[13:01] <sysop2> netstat?
[13:01] <iconic2> what type of server software are you ssh into?
[13:02] <sysop2> i see what you are saying, so if when I am at the accept the key stage of logging in I look and see if there is a connection on the server?
[13:02] <sysop2> hold on I am trying another internal machine right now.
[13:02] <iconic2> search for your ip
[13:04] <lordievader> sysop2: tcpdump
[13:06] <iconic2> ohhh nooo! its 9am time to punch the time clock and start scripting
[13:18] <sysop2> DAMN IT! it was the wrong key the whole time. sorry guys was upset over nothing.
[13:19] <sysop2> I was ssh-kengening the wrong key thats what the problem was so ofcourse it was different.
[13:20] <sysop2> thanks for the help and sorry iconic2 for snapping. was actually hacked a couple of years ago so I tend to be vigilant.
[13:21] <iconic2> No problem, I'd be the same way
[13:22] <iconic2> We actually did get hacked at the new mexico campus, thats where the servers were that had all the clients account from phone numbers to addresses to credit cards to account pw's
[13:22] <sysop2> UGH!!
[13:23] <iconic2> thats when I suggested they make that part of the network out of bounds unless you use the proxy server that would give you a specified IP that was trusted by multiple layers of security
[13:23] <sysop2> I feel you. knocking on wood but never lost any private data. they just used our machines.
[13:24] <sysop2> I see what you mean now. thats not a bad idea. still switching to keybased to avoid having the problem entirely.
[13:24] <iconic2> mind if I ask what type of connection your server is hooked to?
[13:24] <iconic2> an OC?
[13:25] <iconic2> optical carrier line?
[13:25] <sysop2> just my home server this time.
[13:25] <sysop2> work probably has on OC3 or something.
[13:25] <iconic2> may I make a suggestion?
[13:25] <sysop2> sure
[13:27] <iconic2> if your running a open source Network Operating System and you plan on hosting shells make it so them clients can't excute any commands that could invoke a ddos or sorts of attack because them give you hefty fines
[13:27] <sysop2> who gives the fines?
[13:28] <iconic2> The attacked ISP
[13:29] <sysop2> ah,  well already working on that. anytime a file is created in the shell I am using inotify to run a script to see if its an executable then it deletes it if it is. since its kernel based it happens instantly. no time for time to use the file.
[13:30] <sysop2> no time for them to use the file I meant.
[13:31] <iconic2> I made the mistake when I was running a rackmount out of my business space on an oc12 connection and a shell client excuted a ddos attack on a ip and I was called up as the Host of client to either pay the fine or get sopena'd by court order to reveal client information so they could hand down some sort of punishment
[13:31] <iconic2> like if you use a cell signal blackout device its 250,000$ a minute per line you black out
[13:33] <iconic2> we rectified the problem out of court by paying a 15k restitution fee which I doubt the attacked ips hardware cost anywhere close to that amount
[13:34] <sysop2> thats kind just plain stupid about the cell line, if I  owned a movie theater and setup a cell blocker to keep people from using their cell phones during the phone I get would get fined, but if I use metal paint to coat the walls I dont. same affect and if it only affects your property I dont see why they should have an opinion.
[13:34] <sysop2> during the movie.
[13:35] <lordievader> sysop2: Good to hear you found the problem ;)
[13:35] <iconic2> now on all the servers I bring up I load my personal assistant  bg procc that monitors activity and if the cmds are bashed or even close the client is sent the kill command with a prompt that says connect host imediately
[13:42] <sysop2> thanks lordievader
[13:43] <lordievader> sysop2: No problem ;)
[14:52] <sysop2> this will show all your public keys and not just one! for i in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key.pub; do ssh-keygen -l -f  $i; done
[15:26] <Xenxxx> heya
[15:26] <Xenxxx> xennex81 here from the forum
[15:26] <Xenxxx> :p
[15:26] <iconic2> hiya Xenxxx
[15:26] <Xenxxx> I was unaware there'd also be a chat, but not surprising :).
[15:26] <Xenxxx> heya :)
[15:27] <iconic2> I'm taking a break to many lines of coding done
[15:27] <Xenxxx> I am so in love with Kubuntu these days :), but I am also downloading the Gnome Ubuntu 15.04 now..
[15:27] <Xenxxx> nice :)
[15:28] <Xenxxx> or at least I might check it out, the Gnome version
[15:28] <iconic2> 15.04
[15:28] <iconic2> ?
[15:28] <Xenxxx> instead of the Unity version then.
[15:28] <Xenxxx> yeah
[15:28] <iconic2> damn I'm behind
[15:29] <Xenxxx> well I am just using 14.10 but.... I don't know, I just enjoy it trying the new version I guess :) ... :p
[15:29] <Xenxxx> I had attempted Kubuntu 15.04 when it was alpha 2 but i was a bit disgruntled with the interface
[15:29] <Xenxxx> so many things that didn't work... right.
[15:29] <Xenxxx> well just things that didn't work I guess, dunno.
[15:30] <Xenxxx> when I went (back) to 14.10 things worked much better in the task bar etc.
[15:30] <Xenxxx> the tray icons.
[15:30] <Xenxxx> but I gotta go, dinner is ready, see ya soon.
[15:33] <iconic2> I'm gonna try out trisquel
[15:58] <Riddell> ** me and rohan talking in 2 mins in #ubuntu-on-air and on video http://ubuntuonair.com/
[16:06] <fcomtois> hey guys
[16:09] <xenxx> yo back
[16:09] <iconic2> helllo
[16:09] <xenxx> :)
[16:09] <xenxx> yo man :). What have you been coding? :).
[16:09] <xenxx> without the closing dot lol
[16:10] <xenxx> i sometimes lose the sense of knowing what and when to write ;-)
[16:10] <xenxx> kinda annoying :( ;-)
[16:11] <xenxx> i am trying to get Steam running on this old laptop on Kubuntu 14.10, not very successful thus far. .... :(
[16:11] <iconic2> Well right now I'm trying to bring eggdrop software up to date
[16:11] <iconic2> I got steam running on my lenovo thinkpad
[16:11] <iconic2> i5
[16:11] <xenxx> so you are coding for IRC? (I just looked it up)
[16:12] <xenxx> or is eggdrop a kind of server also?
[16:13] <iconic2> eggdrop is a bot
[16:13] <iconic2> like ya know them weatherbots
[16:13] <iconic2> or ones that do trivia or protect channels?
[16:13] <xenxx> so were you writing scripts for it or writing its source?
[16:13] <xenxx> yeah i know, I guess I heard about it before
[16:13] <xenxx> popular thing to run
[16:14] <xenxx> but I' ve never been much of an IRC guy
[16:14] <iconic2> Well thats why we're bringing it up to date
[16:15] <iconic2> Gotta try to make it work on different chat like relays
[16:15] <xenxx> minus the space, I've never been.... I have to get used to this new keyboard layout that actually *gasp* can write " and ' in one go.... ;-)
[16:15] <iconic2> like minecraft servers and such
[16:15] <xenxx> right so you are actually source coding
[16:16] <iconic2> unfortunately
[16:16] <xenxx> since it has a lot of scripts you know, I see, so you might as well be writing scripts IN eggdrop instead ... ;-) :)
[16:16] <iconic2> last friday/sat morning I got done with my duties on the unrealircd software rewritting services
[16:16] <xenxx> i once wrote some scripts in TinyFugue, I guess it can be similar....
[16:17] <xenxx> right
[16:17] <iconic2> tcl scripts
[16:17] <xenxx> i just wanna do some wiki or documentation translation for now
[16:17] <xenxx> right
[16:17] <iconic2> I know thats what I'm affraid my next appointment is going to be
[16:17] <xenxx> hehe
[16:17] <xenxx> i have no appointments but I wanna get active
[16:18] <iconic2> I want eggdrop to start using lua scripts
[16:19] <iconic2> If you write a tcl script that does something interesting I'd be more than happy to set you up with a way to submit it for review
[16:19] <xenxx> right, those are the game scripts right
[16:19] <xenxx> no i mean in writing documentation for now, or doing some translation on that
[16:19] <xenxx> ...
[16:19] <iconic2> They dont have to be just game scripts
[16:19] <iconic2> you can do some great stuff with tcl
[16:19] <xenxx> i mean lua
[16:20] <xenxx> so why the change to lua then?
[16:20] <iconic2> Lua is more up to date and compiles a bit quicker
[16:20] <xenxx> why is lua so great? :)
[16:20] <xenxx> right
[16:20] <fcomtois> does anyone have experience mounting afp shares via dolphin?
[16:20] <xenxx> what is afp?
[16:20] <fcomtois> apple filling protocole
[16:21] <fcomtois> *protocol
[16:21] <xenxx> a fixed point
[16:21] <iconic2> but I gotta either re-write the whole eggdrop source or do it cheaply by making a tcl interpeter script for lua
[16:21] <xenxx> okay
[16:21] <xenxx> hehe
[16:21] <iconic2> Protocol
[16:21] <iconic2> see my eyes are getting way to slow
[16:21] <xenxx> but these are usually libraries you include, right? Some interpreter?
[16:22] <xenxx> ooh it's what they use to call AppleTalk
[16:22] <xenxx> but having to tie the interpreter to the inborn commands can be hard I guess, or a lot of work.
[16:23] <iconic2> Well it doesnt have to be a library it can just be a hard script that does it all in the background, but since they want it up to date i fear im stuck redoing source to accept lua
[16:23] <xenxx> it can be hard
[16:23] <xenxx> oh
[16:23] <iconic2> right now I'm building a plan of attack
[16:23] <xenxx> you must be a hard and fast coder then
[16:23] <iconic2> on this project
[16:23] <xenxx> yeah
[16:24] <xenxx> you're the kind of guy i make friends with ;-)
[16:24] <xenxx> the kind of guy i meet in games and so on ;-) ...
[16:24] <xenxx> haha
[16:24] <xenxx> at least sometimes I come across guys like you
[16:25] <iconic2> Im way to busy to help to much but I do what I can
[16:25] <xenxx> hmm
[16:25] <xenxx> hmmm..... well that's good I guess, Isn't it?
[16:26] <iconic2> I've been open source and copyleft my whole life so I'm donating almost all my time to Unreal
[16:26] <xenxx> unrealircd
[16:26] <iconic2> yep
[16:26] <xenxx> right
[16:26] <xenxx> i've been doing not much of anything in that department
[16:26] <iconic2> right up in Boston, I'm about 45mins away from the office
[16:26] <xenxx> aaah
[16:27] <xenxx> this webchat doesn' t refresh with scroll anymore :(...
[16:27] <iconic2> So your using a webclient?
[16:27] <xenxx> because I scrolled up..!
[16:27] <iconic2> cgi?
[16:28] <iconic2> php?
[16:28] <iconic2> py
[16:28] <xenxx> dunno, https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#kubuntu
[16:28] <iconic2> ohhh
[16:28] <xenxx> yeah this is just a webclient, I haven't set up anything in kubuntu yet
[16:28] <xenxx> at least, something is probably installed
[16:28] <xenxx> but haven't looked into it yet
[16:28] <xenxx> or at it :p
[16:29] <xenxx> quassel ircl
[16:29] <iconic2> thats js
[16:29] <xenxx> irc*
[16:29] <xen> back
[16:29] <iconic2> thats what I'm using right now
[16:29] <xen> still webchat though :p
[16:29] <xen> what was that? js?
[16:29] <iconic2> I usually like BitchX
[16:30] <iconic2> this chans irc web client is js
[16:31] <iconic2> you know you can goto the upper left corner of the login page and goto options
[16:31] <xen> oh ok
[16:31] <xen> k
[16:31] <xen> i am there
[16:32] <xen> the great and magical xennex81 :p lol
[16:32] <xen> in... what is it called Quassel IRC
[16:32] <iconic2> show last location option
[16:32] <xen> last position indicator?
[16:33] <xennex81> i think this kde app is a little better
[16:33] <xennex81> althought... the other interface looks nice
[16:34] <iconic2> get BitchX its 100% customizable
[16:34] <iconic2> you can load scripts to it and everything
[16:34] <xennex81> i don' t wanna get into things at first try
[16:34] <xennex81> it's just better to go with the default at times when you are a new user ;-)
[16:34] <xennex81> hint hint :p
[16:35] <xennex81> this is just the default KDE app and it's enough for me
[16:35] <xennex81> or at least default Kubuntu :)
[16:35] <iconic2> Ohh well its default configurations are easy enough
[16:35] <xennex81> damn i really love Kubuntu
[16:35] <xennex81> these days
[16:35] <iconic2> you run it on a terminal
[16:35] <xennex81> oh yes
[16:35] <xennex81> i remember
[16:35] <iconic2> do you know how to make yourself root in terminals yet on ubuntu?
[16:35] <xennex81> i think it is installed on my host shell server
[16:35] <xennex81> hm?
[16:36] <iconic2> sudo -s
[16:36] <iconic2> in terminal
[16:36] <xennex81> what does the -s do?
[16:36] <iconic2> or sudo passwd root
[16:36] <xennex81> i just use sudo su always :p
[16:36] <xennex81> haha
[16:37] <xennex81> i am not implying that I'm all that new to ..computers or anything
[16:37] <xennex81> or to linux
[16:37] <xennex81> and i like terminals
[16:37] <xennex81> love them
[16:39] <iconic2> you use Midknight commander?
[16:39] <iconic2> mc
[16:39] <xennex81> nah.
[16:39] <lordievader> mc \o/
[16:39] <xennex81> never used it in DOS either
[16:39] <xennex81> or what was it called?
[16:39] <iconic2> msdos?
[16:39] <xennex81> norton commander in msdos
[16:40] <xennex81> didn't like it, however, HOWEVER :) there was something called QCD which was a very easy way to change directories based on a meny
[16:40] <xennex81> menu
[16:40] <xennex81> I still haven't found anything like that
[16:40] <iconic2> Microsoft Disk operating system
[16:40] <xennex81> you'd just type qcd and get something fancy
[16:40] <xennex81> and with cursor keys... etc.
[16:41] <iconic2> you've played Jill of the jungle?
[16:41] <xennex81> nah
[16:41] <xennex81> neva
[16:41] <xennex81> don't know it :(
[16:41] <iconic2> how about funnel and buckets?
[16:41] <xennex81> brb
[16:41] <xennex81> neither, nor, attempted not
[16:41] <xennex81> no
[16:41] <xennex81> sorry :p
[16:41] <iconic2> this is like around 1990
[16:41] <iconic2> ish
[16:43] <iconic2> I got into programming when I was 8 or 9 or maybe 10 we had a computer and my step father needed a bunch of raw floppy disk formatted and  we had and autoscensing 3.5 drive and I wrote my first qbasics script just so I didn't have to keep bashing the same dang commands over and over
[16:44] <xennex81> hehe
[16:44] <xennex81> never did that
[16:45] <xennex81> i did program qbasic
[16:45] <xennex81> and msx basic and gw basic
[16:45] <xennex81> i mean
[16:45] <xennex81> and later tp and bp
[16:45] <fcomtois> does anyone have experience mounting afp shares via dolphin?
[16:45] <xennex81> turbo pascal and borland pascal
[16:45] <xennex81> GW-Basic was really hellish :p
[16:45] <xennex81> with the line numbers and all
[16:45] <iconic2> I went from qbasics to vb up to vb6 then Visual Studio then Notepad for scripts
[16:45] <xennex81> right haha
[16:47] <iconic2> With win95-xp you could goto dos prompt and rename a exe file a *.scr file so you could easily trick people into running it thnking it was a screen save it have it actually be another type of file
[16:47] <iconic2> Now Ya gotta be on top of sql injections and what not
[16:48] <lordievader> iconic2, xennex81: Isn't this more a conversation for #kubuntu-offtopic?
[16:48] <iconic2> yes, very much my bad, and I do apologize Lordievader
[16:49] <xennex81> joined that channel, thanks, mister Lordievader
[16:49] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[16:49] <xennex81> ;-) :)
[16:50] <iconic2> so how many different ubuntu's are their now, I know of K and X
[16:50] <lordievader> iconic2: A lot.
[16:52] <xennex81> how do i get a kubuntu userbase account? for the wiki?
[16:53] <xennex81> i can't find it, the register link
[16:54] <genii> xennex81: If you have already a login for Launchpad or Ubuntu Forums or Ubuntu One that should work
[16:54] <xennex81> lordievader: I don't know, it is hard to continue a conversation elsewhere like that
[16:55] <xennex81> right
[16:55] <xennex81> I have a Launchpad I think
[16:55] <lordievader> xennex81: There is a reason #kubuntu-offtopic exists.
[16:55] <xennex81> i know, well I do now, still,  regardless, nice to meet you :)
[16:55] <xennex81> .
[16:56] <xennex81> iconic2: i went to Delphi after that, after Borland Pascal, let's talk there then
[16:56] <xennex81> . In offtopic....
[17:18] <Erthe> I just tried to update to KDE Plasma 5 following the instructions found here:  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[17:19] <Erthe> I can't login to the system, KDM with my old configuration appears briefly and then the display goes into power saving mode.
[17:20] <Erthe> When I performed the install step I chose sddm as the new DM.
[17:20] <Erthe> Is it possible to run a repair from the ISO for 14.10?
[17:21] <iconic2> yup repair from local medi
[17:21] <iconic2> a
[17:23] <Erthe> OK, I'll grab the ISO and give that a go.
[17:40] <Riddell> Erthe: don't use plasma 5 with 14.10, that was only tech preview and is now deprecated
[17:40] <Riddell> Erthe: just install 15.04 beta 2
[17:40] <Erthe> Oh...
[17:40] <Erthe> Just finished burning a disc too :D
[17:41] <Erthe> I'm on Nvidia, I just read your mailing list post
[17:43] <Erthe> Can I update with that ISO?  I don't want to lose my /home directory
[17:48] <ty812> does someone have a good idea how I can make Gqrx play audio?
[17:49] <ty812> I got a signal on the waterfall, but there's no sound.
[17:49] <ty812> alternatively, if anyone knows where I can discuss SDR-related problems, I'm also grateful for such a pointer
[18:04] <MoonUnit`> do you have the squelch too high?
[20:04] <MoonUnit`> i think something is bad with the latest vivid sddm update, machine desktop dying after a few seconds of logging in.
[20:04] <MoonUnit`> lots of taint messages in dmesg, now rolling back to an earlier partition image
[20:18] <xennex81> question: what do you know about being able to run plasma4 style "themes" (like Air) (or Oxygen) on plasma5 for Ubuntu 15.04?
[20:18] <xennex81> it is said that the Breeze Dark theme is very nice, but Breeze "Light" is too washed out for me or too little contrast.
[21:37] <daemon_erebus> Is there any particular reason why Kubuntu comes with LibreOffice installed rather than the Calligra Suite
[22:45] <keithzg> daemon_erebus: There's a belief (somewhat justified) that LibreOffice is more mature and feature-rich, so for folks that don't know they have options, that's probably the best default to ship.
[22:46] <keithzg> Hmm that's interesting, using Chrome Remote Desktop hosted on Kubuntu 14.04, I get an Openbox session rather than a KDE session when I connect via the Android client.
[22:47] <daemon_erebus> keithzg, you're probably right, just thought it interesting since LibreOffice uses a bit of gtk and Calligra is qt based (from what I understand) it made the better choice/option.
[22:48] <keithzg> daemon_erebus: Yeah, Calligra is a more integrated and native experience, and IIRC it used to be shipped as the default instead (at least back when it was KOffice), but the rough edges and some user complaints drove a switch over to LibreOffice as the default. I still prefer Calligra's equivalent apps personally, and tend to have both installed.
[22:50] <daemon_erebus> heck I'd just be happier with better MS Office integration as formatting still comes off wonky in some instances
[23:02] <keithzg> That's never going to really change. Formatting comes off wonky even between versions of Microsoft Word sometimes :P
[23:02] <keithzg> We'll only really be safe if Microsoft Office goes away.
[23:21] <misfit1> hello, I'm having an issue with kubuntu constantly dropping wifi connection. 14.04 64-bit, Intel centrino wireless-n 1080 network card