[00:48] <diddledan> m00m00
[03:27]  * diddledan blows raspberries
[04:19] <knightwise> morning
[04:19] <diddledan> allo
[04:20] <knightwise> taking the train to work today. have mercy on my soul
[04:30] <diddledan> eep
[04:30] <diddledan> good luck!
[04:36] <mapps> hey
[04:36] <mapps> how long does it take knightwise
[04:36] <mapps> so whos up diddledan / daftykins and zmoylan-1?:)
[04:36] <diddledan> hi mapps
[04:36] <mapps> :D
[04:36] <diddledan> ooh, new build of win10!
[04:37] <diddledan> he says unashamedly in a linux channel
[04:37] <mapps> ;D
[04:37] <mapps> INCLUDES SPARTAN?
[04:37] <mapps> oops
[04:37] <diddledan> yup
[04:38] <diddledan> arrived sometime in the last few hours I guess - the date on the announcement is 30th but that's in american money
[04:49] <mapps> nice
[04:53] <mapps> ever see people/photos and you can tell right away what people are like?
[04:53] <mapps> ok dont judge a book by a cover and all that
[04:54] <mapps> but when i go on facebook more often than not you can tell who's a thick chav / whos a bit of a tart
[04:54] <mapps> just by the pictures
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:02] <diddledan> moo
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:05] <bashrc> morning
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Backup Day!  :-D
[08:50] <foobarry> anyone use mendeley or similar tool?
[08:51] <foobarry> wondered if it was possible to have an onsite version
[08:52] <foobarry> seems not possible :(
[08:56] <Myrtti> morning
[08:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: Man my backup day is thursday not tuesday
[09:02] <DJones> No command 'Man' found,
[09:03] <foobarry> no manual page for 'my' found
[09:03] <popey> Every day is backup day! \o/
[09:14] <zmoylan-pi> apart from the day the system dies as writing over a backup with file corruption just seems silly :-)
[09:26] <selinuxium> Erm... This is a new one on me... Dev box /opt ran out of space. not the boot directory.
[09:27] <selinuxium> Removed several gig and the server is still showing 100% utilisation?? Rebooted still the same.
[09:27] <selinuxium> Any ideas?
[09:27] <foobarry> btrfs?
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:28] <diddledan> allo
[09:28] <selinuxium> Standard file system.
[09:28] <diddledan> SFS?
[09:28] <selinuxium> sat on a SAN
[09:28] <diddledan> never heard of the Standard file system
[09:28] <selinuxium> ext4
[09:28] <diddledan> better! :-p
[09:28] <diddledan> be splefic
[09:29] <selinuxium> :P
[09:29] <diddledan> splelific
[09:29] <diddledan> (the extra L is important :-p)
[09:29] <popey> keep taking the meds diddledan
[09:29] <selinuxium> Unless you faff with the install... :)
[09:29] <diddledan> popey: always :-p
[09:31] <selinuxium> diddledan, So apart from the pedantry, any ideas? :)
[09:32] <popey> lsof and see what files are open / growing
[09:32] <selinuxium> Already done an fsck
[09:32] <diddledan> damn you pre-empted my reply, selinuxium
[09:32] <diddledan> open files should be fixed by a reboot
[09:33] <foobarry> what is in /opt on your install selinuxium
[09:33] <selinuxium> the rest of my dev system... Mainly a cobol DB and binarys
[09:34] <foobarry> cobol!?
[09:34] <selinuxium> /dev/sdb1                   296G  283G     0 100% /opt
[09:34] <selinuxium> Yup
[09:34] <diddledan> inode limit?
[09:35] <selinuxium> 7%
[09:35] <selinuxium> Already thought of that..
[09:35] <popey> du -hs /opt
[09:36] <selinuxium> Taking it's time to respond....
[09:36] <selinuxium> 283G    /opt
[09:37] <foobarry> its possible to removed files that existed in another folder
[09:37] <foobarry> but were symlinked
[09:38] <selinuxium> /dev/sda1                   228M   86M  131M  40% /boot
[09:38] <selinuxium> Not at utilisation anywhere atm.. .
[10:03] <selinuxium> Carried on deleting files and got some space back... /dev/sdb1                   296G  276G  5.2G  99% /opt
[10:04] <popey> selinuxium: sudo lsof | grep opt
[10:04] <popey> also, iotop
[10:08] <Laney> what's that hideous smell wafting up the stairs?
[10:09] <Laney> oh, my trainers drying on the radiator
[10:09] <Laney> :( :( :(
[10:09] <foobarry> smell = bacteria
[10:09] <foobarry> you are probably a walking fungus
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> or stepped in something
[10:09] <Laney> they are quite holey
[10:10] <Laney> so they absorb most of what comes out of the sky
[10:12] <selinuxium> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10711272/
[10:26] <diddledan> /opt/common/ACTT is using 442million blocks?
[10:26] <diddledan> 512KB block means 220GB
[10:27] <diddledan> (if I'm correct. remember IANAL)
[10:29] <selinuxium> diddledan,  ll -h /opt/common/ACTT          -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 422M Mar 31 11:19 /opt/common/ACTT*
[10:29] <diddledan> aah ok
[10:30] <diddledan> I'm wrong. how rare :-p
[10:30] <selinuxium> ha ha! :)
[10:30] <selinuxium> I am fairly used to being wrong...
[10:31] <selinuxium> Ask the other half... -_-
[10:32] <selinuxium> I still don't understand the problem in that nothing adds up...
[10:32] <foobarry> another day, another user who mentions that usb drives from pcworld are cheaper than enterprise storage :-|
[10:34] <selinuxium> foobarry, It is amazing isn't it...
[10:35] <foobarry> go ahead, you'll be back when you want fast backed-up storage attached to a HPC cluster
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> or someone trips over all the usb cables trailing across the floor interwoven with power bricks and power leads and power strips
[10:36] <foobarry> do they think we have a big server in the Datacentre with a load of chained usb drives?
[10:37] <foobarry> like popeys microserver?
[10:38] <popey> that was less trip and more yank
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> it's a cunning ploy in case there's a police raid :-) a self destructing server
[10:42] <davmor2> selinuxium: you don't understand how other halves work do you,  When they are wrong it's your fault so you are wrong, when you wrong then it's your fault and you are as wrong as if you were right ;)
[10:46] <selinuxium> *nods sagely*
[10:53] <foobarry> why is this the case?
[10:53] <foobarry> it is true
[10:53] <foobarry> but why so universal
[10:57] <foobarry> wow. shared parental laeve
[10:57] <foobarry> i wish i had that option
[10:59] <davmor2> foobarry: universal constants it what keeps the universe in harmony :)
[11:00] <foobarry> so i have a question..
[11:00] <foobarry> what if everyone in the country did 35hr week?
[11:00] <foobarry> without exception
[11:00] <foobarry> what would happen? economically? socially?
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> politicians would never let it happen, they'd have to work!!
[11:01] <foobarry> work can be done within contracted hrs
[11:01] <foobarry> teachers only doing 9-5 , nurses, politicians,
[11:01] <foobarry> what would it look like?
[11:01] <foobarry> happier marraiges? worse? more babies? healthier citizens?
[11:01] <davmor2> foobarry: the country would grind to a halt and implode
[11:01] <foobarry> why?
[11:02] <foobarry> i do a productive week within my contract hrs. i've done the 55hr weeks too earlier in life
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> because doctors when training do 60-80 hour weeks or it would take twice as long to train them
[11:02] <foobarry> more people get sick as a result, some long term burn out
[11:03] <foobarry> i don't think any of these are reasonable arguments
[11:03] <foobarry> then it takes 2x as long
[11:03] <foobarry> but when they get there, it will be a regular job, not crazy
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think you can just make it take twice as long.  i think it's partially a shakedown trial to see if they can survive the worst that medicine can throw at them in the event of disaster
[11:04] <foobarry> but if they only work contracted hrs then they don't need crazy training
[11:05] <foobarry> long term, think of the effect on the country
[11:05] <foobarry> slower pace of life
[11:05] <foobarry> people being productive within their hrs
[11:05] <foobarry> happier nation?
[11:05] <foobarry> london is crazy busy and its killing everyone
[11:06] <foobarry> did it contribute to the pilot going mad?
[11:06] <davmor2> music music music music music music music music music music music :P
[11:06] <ahayzen> davmor2, oi ;)
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: So...a 35hr week would cull the population through disease and thus stave off global warming?
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> hmmmmm, soylent green...
[11:08] <davmor2> ahayzen: for mine and MooDoo and popey 's generation you need to add a filter that adds a low motor sound and the odd skip of a second or so call it vinyl mode :)
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> and a button to add the sound of a record arm been dragged across the grove for those dramatic moments that require it :-)
[11:09] <ahayzen> davmor2, heh ... 70s onwards i'm cool with :) ... being a 90/00s kid
[11:09] <TwistedLucidity> What should be prevented (or severely curtailed) are zero-hour contracts.
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> it may be they are needed. i'd just charge companies that use them per person a tax to cover the dole of the person on zero hour contract to top their wages up to weekly wage. just in case they're been used inappropriately
[11:12] <popey> davmor2: have you seen Raised by Wolves on channel 4?
[11:13] <davmor2> popey: no I should but then I see wolves often enough
[11:14] <popey> its rather good
[11:14] <popey> one of the best things on telly IMO
[11:18] <davmor2> popey: it would help if it was based in wolverhampton I guess, and you can tell that the actor ain't from round here, not enough R's and *$@*££*$^&*&^£(*&^£$)*£^££("*&^)"^£*(^(*£&^(£*^££&*(^£* or expletives that are discernible
[11:19] <popey> :)
[11:20] <davmor2> popey: and in the clip I just saw they had books that would knocked off DVD's here why would they waste bookshelf space on books :D
[11:21] <shauno> zmoylan-pi: stop dragging the needle and you won't have to emulate skips :)  poor abused records :(
[11:21] <popey> I think that's the point, they're seen as wierd pikeys by the neighbourhood, but they're all quite articulate
[11:24] <davmor2> popey: I'll have to have a look at some point
[11:28] <foobarry> i know i should never read the comments..but the independent has some of the most deranged ones out there
[11:29] <diddledan> foobarry: trolls be trolls
[11:29] <foobarry> they are more than that
[11:29] <foobarry> all have some bee in their bonnet
[11:32] <diddledan> bzzzz
[11:33] <diddledan> if you're ever lost and you hear a bee going buzzz buzzz, then the best idea is to hop on the bus and head to the nearest bus-station
[11:34] <foobarry> more pills please nurse
[11:34] <DJones> Have some dried frog pills foobarry
[11:34]  * foobarry hands them to diddledan 
[11:35] <diddledan> also if you're ever stuck in a locked room with just a table then rub your hands till they're sore, saw the table in half and put the two halves together again to make a whole. finally climb through the hole to get out.
[12:23] <foobarry> what do you guys pay for building+contents insurance for a year?
[12:28] <shauno> argh.  just wasted 3 whole hours trying to troubleshoot why a site keeps acting so screwy.  3 hours.  the answer turns out to be "the customer clicks "reset to defaults" when he's bored"
[12:29]  * zmoylan-pi passes shauno a fully charged cattle prod
[12:29] <Myrtti> I wonder if our conservatory is going to fly off
[12:31] <diddledan> shauno: really?!
[12:32] <shauno> yes.  every time they were sent to a page to read off a setting, they "fiddled with stuff" while they were there.
[12:33] <awilkins> "Oh, maybe this will fix it. If both of us are working on it in parallel, it may get fixed faster!"
[12:33] <diddledan> ffs
[12:33] <diddledan> blinking clients
[12:34] <diddledan> I swear there should be an intelligence/sanity test before taking on new customers
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> that reminds me of the time i was checking the network cabling at a retail location and had cable tester plugged in 2 floors apart and had lots of problems till i found my boss was disconnecting the cable tester to 'help me'
[12:35] <diddledan> err
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> no i never worked out how that was to help me either.  i would also add i was in serious pain at the time and was hospitalised for 6 weeks that year for various bits of surgery
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> and climbing those flights of stairs about 30 times that day really helped
[12:36] <diddledan> >.<
[12:37] <diddledan> sugary is not fun.. well the morphine is fun.. but the pain isn't
[12:37] <diddledan> I loved the morphine they gave me for my gall bladder ectomy
[12:38] <diddledan> I was high as a kite
[12:38] <diddledan> I can understand the addictive nature
[12:38] <diddledan> I want to have another surgery just for the awesome after effect :-p
[12:39] <popey> sugary sounds great!
[12:39] <diddledan> popey: it's sweet
[12:40] <diddledan> but fattening :-(
[12:43] <shauno> I was going to say they have surgery for that too, but I'm not sure that'd get you morphine
[12:46] <Myrtti> I didnt' get any morphine :-|
[12:46] <Myrtti> the anesthetic/sedative for the operation was great though
[12:46] <Myrtti> can totes understand why MJ was a fan
[12:47] <diddledan> yeah, I donno if it was morphine, I'm just using that as a catch-all for anaesthetic
[12:48] <diddledan> https://www.google.co.uk/#safe=off&q=%3Cblink%3E+html
[12:49] <diddledan> that's evil
[12:49] <diddledan> almost as bad as marquee
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Morphine is awesome
[13:09] <TwistedLucidity> Cartoon channel, 3am, out of my skull on morphine. Brilliant. For the avoidance of confusion, I was in hospital at the time.
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> could have been the test card AND morphine and it would still have been brilliant
[13:22] <popey> only experience I have of morphine is watching my dad die while on it
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> my mother was moved to diamorphine when she reached last day or two.  essentially heroin.  didn't stop the pain at the end
[13:57] <Myrtti> I watched mum on the pump for a month, took turns with my sister on sleeping on a mattress on the hospital room floor
[13:57] <Myrtti> I hate them pumps
[14:03] <popey> yeah :(
[14:07]  * elfy touches wood
[14:10] <Myrtti> they are especially hated when the patient clogs up and the pump doesn't deliver the medication anymore and starts to beep
[14:11]  * awilkins hated re-siting the venous lines for said pumps
[14:11] <popey> hmm, my laptop has suddenly got slow networking wise, 5Mb/s up/down on speedtest
[14:11] <popey> network to other machines on LAN is fine
[14:11] <popey> and other machines out to internet are fine
[14:11] <awilkins> Is it running Windows and/or playing an MP3 ?
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> reboot the machine?
[14:12] <popey> I'd rather find out what's wrong than do a windows and reboot it
[14:12] <popey> it's my x220
[14:12] <popey> been slow all day
[14:12] <popey> (since I rebooted)
[14:12] <popey> trying to figure out how to diagnose what's causing it
[14:13] <foobarry> iptraf
[14:14] <awilkins> I had a weird network crash after running a very large rsync transfer the other day, the wired adapter just gave up and sulked
[14:19] <popey> switched from wired to wifi, still throttled
[14:20] <Myrtti> we're going to have a fun evening today, dsample is getting a new NEW laptop
[14:21] <popey> oooh
[14:22] <Myrtti> XPS 15 with the 4K display
[14:22] <Myrtti> gonna pop Ubuntu on it :-D
[14:22] <Myrtti> well, I assume that's his plan
[14:22] <Myrtti> who knows, he might actually put Gent... no. he wouldn't
[14:23] <popey> Is that the new one? I think there's some issues with that device still
[14:23] <popey> touchpad driver iirc
[14:23] <awilkins> Touch PAD or touch SCREEN
[14:24] <awilkins> And I thought it was the touchscreen and that it had been fixed, but that's just a rumour
[14:26] <foobarry> my keyboard keeps going mad with keyboard repeat
[14:26] <foobarry> its a new machine
[14:26] <foobarry> probably bad driver :(
[14:27] <Myrtti> well, we'll see how it fares, I suppose
[14:28] <Myrtti> I hope I don't stop making sense - I'm planning to pay for the wedding venue, celebrant and photographer in a bit and in preparation have taken to the rhubarb wine bottle
[14:28] <davmor2> popey: my desktop is wired and way way faster than my wifi laptop.  Laptop is 19.23 down and 5.94 up, pc is 68.34 down and 5.82 up.
[14:29] <Myrtti> atleast this time I don't need to cash into my investment funds savings like I had to the last time I had to pay a big family occasion bill
[14:29] <davmor2> popey: did you get pitti's nm-indicator minus dbus on your laptop
[14:30] <Myrtti> that hurt badly
[14:30] <Myrtti> made a good 500 loss on that move
[14:30] <popey> davmor2: yeah, just updated again and got new nm
[14:30] <popey> seems better now
[14:30] <popey> up to 90Mb/s down, was 5Mb/s :(
[14:37] <msm__> Hi there
[14:38]  * popey suspects wrong window
[14:38] <popey> hello msm__
[14:41] <msm__> popey: hey :) My fingers skipped windows  .. but thanks for the "hello" :)
[15:02] <foobarry> mmm purple opal fruits
[15:07] <davmor2> msm__: you'll alway have a hello here, nothing useful like, but at least a hello :)
[15:07] <msm__> davmor2: Helloooo :)
[15:52] <popey> davmor2: can you speedtest-cli a few times for me if you're on up to date vivid?
[15:52] <popey> Mine varies wildly
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: give me 5
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: don't forget the wind ;)
[15:54] <popey> hah
[15:54] <davmor2> popey: just cause virgins pretty prompt if you are pinging a bt line at any point good luck ;)
[15:54] <popey> but other machines on my LAN are fine
[15:54] <popey> its not VM
[15:55] <popey> it's my machine.
[15:55] <davmor2> popey: then just ping your router will give you more accuracy I'd of thought
[15:57] <popey> ping isn't useful
[15:57] <popey> needs to be chunky download
[15:57] <popey> which my router can't give me
[15:57] <davmor2> popey: but you san can
[15:58] <popey> san?
[15:59] <davmor2> popey: server then
[15:59] <davmor2> popey: your massive array of disks on btrfs
[16:00] <davmor2> popey: that should still have less latency than the interwebz :D
[16:00] <popey> thats not my machine
[16:01] <popey> thats another machine
[16:01] <davmor2> popey: one excuse after another ;)
[16:01] <popey> hah
[16:02] <davmor2> popey: do you have more than one laptop in the house if so put an iso on one and copy that back and forth
[16:03] <popey> seriously...
[16:03] <popey> this issue only happens when this machine is getting from t'internet
[16:03] <davmor2> popey: hahahaha
[16:03] <popey> iperf from my machine to home server is GbE :)
[16:04] <popey> and works fine
[16:08] <davmor2> popey: so not the laptop and not the router which only leave the wind ;)
[16:09] <intrbiz> MTU set correctly?
[16:09] <davmor2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10712965/
[16:09] <popey> Download: 81.15 Mbit/s
[16:09] <popey> from home server
[16:09] <popey> Download: 3.96 Mbit/s
[16:09] <popey> from laptop
[16:10] <daftykins> ouch
[16:11] <intrbiz> popey: laptop on wifi?
[16:11] <popey> no, wired
[16:11] <davmor2> popey: my laptop is slower but like 19.xx rather than 60.xx
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10712978/
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: last one is laptop over desktop
[16:14] <daftykins> has vivid had multiple kernels that is worth testing between?
[16:14] <daftykins> *are
[16:15] <intrbiz> use the packets luke
[16:17] <popey> it's only got worse over the last day or so
[16:20] <davmor2> popey: I blame pitti's change to network-manager :)
[16:20] <popey> yeah
[16:22] <intrbiz> just blame network-manager
[16:25] <davmor2> intrbiz: no I think there were some big changes made. over night that landed
[16:43] <diddledan> http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/CBWu9giWgAE4Ifj.jpg
[16:46] <intrbiz> If only we could keep that situation for longer
[16:53] <diddledan> eww, the sun's coming out! >.<
[16:53] <diddledan> my eyes!!!!
[16:54] <daftykins> :D
[17:20] <DJones> +Damm,you forget that in some parts of the world its April 1st already, http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/133405-press-to-buy-amazon-s-new-dash-buttons-fit-anywhere-and-quickly-order-specific-products
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Google has pac man in maps :)
[17:26] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Thats fair enough, when there was the partial eclipse the other week, I remember seeing a "picture" showing pacman eating the moon or something like that
[17:28]  * popey reboots router
[17:28] <diddledan> omg popey going offline?!
[17:28] <diddledan> seriously bad news!
[17:29]  * popey came back pretty quickly
[17:29] <diddledan> wb
[17:29] <diddledan> you didn't even disappear
[17:29]  * diddledan apt-get-moo's
[17:29] <apt-get-moo> heya
[17:29] <apt-get-moo> :D
[17:29] <diddledan> ello
[17:32] <popey> the benefit of running irssi in screen on a remote box
[17:37] <Myrtti> tadah
[17:38] <popey> uhoh
[17:38] <dsample> lol
[17:38] <Myrtti> you never know, he could have joined because m0nkey_ is here ;-)
[17:38] <Myrtti> or he could be here to give you a third degree
[17:39] <dsample> It’s not delivered yet. I’m hoping the recommendation isn’t ‘stick with windows for the moment’ :oP
[17:40] <diddledan> Myrtti: you'dathunk he might wander by because you're here, no?
[17:40] <Myrtti> lol no.
[17:40] <diddledan> :-p
[17:40] <Myrtti> I'm the IRC addict and his social secretary
[17:41] <diddledan> lol
[17:42] <Myrtti> lol @ stackexchange
[17:49] <dsample> She’s here (and on Google Hangouts), no need to have IRC as well
[17:49] <dsample> It’s weird how much we discuss through Hangouts even though we’re sitting next to each other
[17:49] <Myrtti> oh but that's just links
[17:55] <davmor2> popey: you getting better speed now?
[17:56] <Myrtti> delivery \o/
[17:56] <daftykins> how odd, the Crucial RAM i ordered to upgrade this cheap Lenovo just died
[17:59] <Myrtti> uuuuu says he
[17:59] <Myrtti> nice packaging
[18:02] <popey> heh
[18:02] <Myrtti> now we've got a tiny laptop and a big laptop
[18:02] <daftykins> diddledan: you played with the spartan browser in your win10 VM yet?
[18:02] <diddledan> daftykins: yup
[18:03] <daftykins> i'm letting mine update now
[18:03] <daftykins> cant believe their delivery mechanism was to have you download the entire disc image to the HDD
[18:04] <diddledan> really? mine updated via windows update
[18:05] <Myrtti> oh no!
[18:05] <Myrtti> the most difficult part of getting a new laptop
[18:05] <Myrtti> WHAT IS THE LAPTOP CALLED
[18:05] <Myrtti> woo
[18:06] <diddledan> Myrtti: fred
[18:06] <diddledan> or bob
[18:06] <diddledan> maybe barney
[18:06] <Myrtti> and good sensible chuckles were had.
[18:06] <Myrtti> thank you diddledan
[18:06] <Myrtti> nuu, he's being boring
[18:06] <daftykins> diddledan: yes but it downloaded the entire ISO contents to a hidden folder on C:\ then installed via that boot point replacement :)
[18:06] <shauno> mine's called "laptop"  :(
[18:06] <daftykins> diddledan: ah i've just logged in and see they have build 10041 ISOs for download now anyway
[18:07] <diddledan> alternatively Myrttis-MSI-ABC123
[18:07] <Myrtti> "xps15-win" whaaa
[18:07] <diddledan> (as ubuntu likes naming things)
[18:07] <Myrtti> boooooring
[18:07] <daftykins> yeah name is always the longest stage :(
[18:07] <diddledan> daftykins: we're on 10049 now
[18:07] <daftykins> diddledan: ja i knows it
[18:08] <daftykins> i've seen some hilarious auto generated names by ubuntu, they called some laptop "HP-Pavilion-G6000-somecodehere"
[18:08] <davmor2> Myrtti: depends on your naming convention
[18:16] <Myrtti> I've never heard him swear so much as now...
[18:16] <Myrtti> *rolleys* Windows Metro
[18:17] <daftykins> TIFKAM - the interface formerly known as metro :>
[18:17] <davmor2> Myrtti: he's liking the Windows 8 then
[18:17] <Myrtti> I'm just staring with a horrified expression
[18:17] <Myrtti> I didn't know he knew those words
[18:18] <daftykins> sounds like my reaction to both windows 8, 8.1 and Unity on Ubuntu ;)
[18:18] <daftykins> hmm, all three even :D
[18:18] <davmor2> Myrtti: just ask him to turn it off from the menu, stand back and wait for the explosion
[18:18] <Myrtti> he's backseating my IRC, ie. reading over my shoulder
[18:19] <daftykins> davmor2: but they added that.
[18:20] <daftykins> latest windows 8.1 update has power buttons in more sane places, but is still horrible overall :D
[18:20] <davmor2> daftykins: mine came with windows 8 it wasn't in then it is in settings rather than start neither make sense really but at least you could find it in start
[18:21] <daftykins> yeah your factory install was likely not up to date
[18:21] <Myrtti> he's checking what the laptop has preinstalled before connecting to tinternets
[18:21] <davmor2> daftykins: 8.1 wasn't released at the time
[18:23] <Myrtti> truly shocked, I'll tell you
[18:23] <Myrtti> the LANGUAGE!
[18:24] <dsample> It came pre-infected with McAfee!
[18:24] <davmor2> Myrtti: but he is only reading the messages on the screen out loud
[18:24] <diddledan> dsample: does it have superfish?
[18:24] <daftykins> davmor2: ah, redesign comment still stands though :>
[18:24] <Myrtti> I should take a photo of the setup now.
[18:25] <bashrc> You're setting up windows?
[18:25] <dsample> “Software removed”, yay, now I’m one step closer to connecting it to the Internet
[18:26] <daftykins> makes more sense to clean install a factory PC :)
[18:26] <dsample> bashrc: unfortunately some games only support Windows & OSX, so it makes a small amount of sense to keep a small Windows partition in the corner
[18:27] <dsample> Although, I’m starting to think if I want Windows 8.1 on here I should probably download a fresh ISO from my work MSDN subscription
[18:27] <daftykins> dsample: definitely :) what brand is this thing?
[18:28] <Myrtti> daftykins: Dell XPS 15 with the 4K display
[18:28] <daftykins> ah-har
[18:29] <diddledan> ooh, 4k!1
[18:29] <daftykins> i'd love one of the 1920x1080 res XPS 13s :>
[18:29] <daftykins> 15hrs battery \o/
[18:30] <bashrc> jeepers
[18:30] <daftykins> but then skylake is just around the corner, which might be even better
[18:30] <bashrc> I don't think I've ever had a laptop whose battery lasted longer than 3 hours
[18:30] <Myrtti> daftykins: ... I have that one
[18:31] <Myrtti> :-D
[18:31] <Myrtti> the battery doesn't last 15hrs tho
[18:31] <daftykins> i know!
[18:31] <daftykins> probably not with ubuntu, no
[18:31] <popey> grrrr
[18:31] <popey> Download: 1.97 Mbit/s
[18:31] <popey> Upload: 5.84 Mbit/s
[18:31] <daftykins> O_O
[18:31] <popey> I have no idea what to do now.
[18:32] <bashrc> drink tea?
[18:32] <daftykins> popey: haven't been multiple vivid kernels to try between, at all?
[18:32] <popey> kernel hasn't changed though
[18:32] <daftykins> oh compared with when it was acting normally?
[18:32] <popey> yeah
[18:32] <daftykins> ah
[18:32] <popey> maybe it has, i had a long uptime
[18:33] <popey> march 24 was last kernel change
[18:33] <daftykins> i was thinking anything that could've changed the LAN driver, though granted it could be something else
[18:33] <popey> its terible on wifi too
[18:33] <daftykins> mmm so must be another component in the chain
[18:34]  * bashrc backed up
[18:34] <Myrtti> awww, he needs to connect it to the Internet to claim the 20GB of Dropbox that came with the machine
[18:34] <Myrtti> oh the dilemma
[18:35] <Myrtti> the crowd goes wild
[18:35] <Myrtti> will he do it
[18:35] <bashrc> I would use Owncloud or syncthing
[18:35] <popey> this is all over the place
[18:35] <popey> Download: 19.66 Mbit/s
[18:35] <bashrc> the bandwidth Gods are fickle
[18:36] <popey> on wifi
[18:36] <Myrtti> bashrc: "yeah, but frrreee"
[18:36] <Myrtti> well that's not what he said
[18:36] <diddledan> popey: you don't have any torrents running on your network do you?
[18:37]  * popey rebootno
[18:37] <popey> no
[18:37] <diddledan> hmm
[18:37] <popey> and this is the only machine that has the issue
[18:37] <diddledan> maybe you're being DDoSed :-p
[18:37] <popey> speedtest on my desktop is fine
[18:37] <popey> and on my home server
[18:37] <diddledan> weird
[18:37] <davmor2> popey: is it intel wifi?
[18:37] <daftykins> popey: does iperf's results when testing between that system and another LAN system suffer too?
[18:37] <popey> daftykins: wired or wifi
[18:38] <popey> davmor2: ^
[18:38] <davmor2> popey: do you have any usb wifi dongle
[18:38] <davmor2> popey: could be intel across the board and one broken driver
[18:39] <popey> ah!
[18:39] <davmor2> popey: if you have a usb dongle plug that in see if that improves it
[18:39] <popey> its not just my laptop then
[18:39] <popey> my server ....
[18:39] <popey> Download: 2.38 Mbit/s
[18:39] <popey> Upload: 0.38 Mbit/s
[18:39] <daftykins> D:
[18:39] <popey> hmmm
[18:39] <popey> thing is the results are all over the place
[18:39] <diddledan> jaybers
[18:39] <davmor2> popey: that's a problem on the network then at a guess,  I blame the wind damn it ;)
[18:40] <diddledan> or your ISP or BT have overloaded the node
[18:40] <popey> running iperf between laptop and server
[18:40] <popey> oh, over wifi
[18:40]  * popey switches to lan
[18:40] <popey> [  3]  0.0-10.1 sec  25.2 MBytes  21.1 Mbits/sec
[18:41] <popey> over wifi
[18:41] <popey> [  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.09 GBytes   931 Mbits/sec
[18:41] <popey> over lan
[18:41] <popey> the one thing I have yet to reboot... cable modem
[18:41] <popey> cheerio everyone for a bit
[18:42] <popey> back in the room
[18:43] <Myrtti> now he's gotten bored and wants the Ubuntu USB stick
[18:43] <popey> incoming UEFI issues
[18:43] <popey> Download: 79.49 Mbit/s
[18:43] <popey> better..
[18:43] <diddledan> uefi issues?
[18:44] <popey> from Myrtti and mr Myrtti
[18:44] <diddledan> aah
[18:44] <davmor2> popey: shouldn't be any as long as uefi register the usb stick okay
[18:44] <popey> Download: 73.80 Mbit/s
[18:44] <popey> on server
[18:44] <popey> stupid cable modem
[18:45] <diddledan> that's sucky
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> 490/586
[18:50] <popey> git
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> (though the 586 was dropping and would eventually level out at 500)
[18:53] <Myrtti> key management o_____O
[18:53] <Myrtti> this bios is confuuuusing
[18:57] <daftykins> newp standard EFI talk :>
[18:57] <daftykins> but you don't have to worry about key management
[19:03] <Myrtti> jebus that's really the 4k display
[19:03] <Myrtti> grub menu is unreadable because the font is so small
[19:03] <Myrtti> well, nearly unreadable
[19:03] <daftykins> XD
[19:03] <diddledan> lol
[19:03] <daftykins> pics please!
[19:03] <Myrtti> wow the menus and the texts!
[19:03] <diddledan> grub really needs to learn how dpi works
[19:03] <Myrtti> lol, one sec
[19:04] <daftykins> i've still yet to work out how to set a sane DPI on the desktop of the LXDE session that comes with kodibuntu
[19:04] <Myrtti> "I have a feeling this is going to be slightly strenuous"
[19:04] <Myrtti> "although, accessibility menu..."
[19:05] <daftykins> if i log in to that instead of the sessions that runs Kodi, the pic on my 1080p TV is way too tiny
[19:05] <Myrtti> "well, trackpad works for the basic stuff"
[19:05] <Myrtti> I can't see the text on the menu
[19:05] <Myrtti> goddamn, what is this, laptop for ants?
[19:05] <Myrtti> Ubuntu for ants.
[19:05] <diddledan> wait till you plug it into a non-hi-dpi monitor and try having two different scaling settings for internal and external :-p
[19:07] <Myrtti> https://flic.kr/p/qWKMqF
[19:09] <Myrtti> lol he's trying to pinpoint london on the map
[19:09] <davmor2> hahaha
[19:10] <davmor2> can't you drag it to increase the size of the window?
[19:10] <diddledan> that won't change the font size
[19:10] <Myrtti> "noyp"
[19:11] <Myrtti> now we're back in the starting square
[19:11] <Myrtti> "what shall we call the laptop"
[19:11] <Myrtti> oh apparently he's wiping windows
[19:12] <diddledan> bert
[19:12] <Myrtti> now he's got two cursors
[19:12] <diddledan> \o/
[19:12] <diddledan> lol
[19:12] <Myrtti> "oh man now it'll probably start speaking"
[19:13] <diddledan> nah cortana isn't available yet
[19:13] <Myrtti> no the Ubuntu
[19:13] <diddledan> ^^^^
[19:13] <Myrtti> oh christ
[19:14] <Myrtti> he's named it bumblelion
[19:14] <diddledan> lol
[19:14] <diddledan> I'm going to fake elements
[19:14] <davmor2> hahaha
[19:14] <diddledan> I've got samsonite and carbonite so far
[19:14] <diddledan> think I need to rename my other two boxes
[19:15] <Myrtti> now he's thinking of gummibears as the names...
[19:15] <Myrtti> oh lawd
[19:15]  * Myrtti gets the take out menu
[19:16] <Myrtti> I don't think we're going to cook tonight, Toto
[19:17] <daftykins> ;]
[19:27] <Myrtti> no wifi...
[19:29] <popey> haha, love that pic Myrtti
[19:29] <popey> also, Myrtti what version you installing? :)
[19:30] <Myrtti> 14.10
[19:31] <Myrtti> it's not detected at all by Ubuntu, it seems
[19:31] <Myrtti> nothing in dmesg
[19:31] <Myrtti> bit stumped now
[19:31] <popey> lspci ?
[19:32] <popey> lspci | grep -i net
[19:32] <Myrtti> BCM4352
[19:33] <Myrtti> rev 3
[19:33] <Myrtti> ah found it
[19:38] <dsample> It’s strange that the device is supposedly certified Ubuntu within other laptops
[19:39] <popey> is it?
[19:40] <popey> It might be certified _when_ installed at factory with ubuntu pre-installed?
[19:40] <popey> i.e. dell add a ppa with the necessary nonsense in it?
[19:40] <dsample> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/14e4%3A43b1/
[19:41] <Myrtti> why would my USB stick be readonly filesystem
[19:41] <popey> "Pre-installed by manufacturer"
[19:41]  * Myrtti flips table
[19:41] <dsample> popey: oh, mouseover info
[19:41] <popey> yeah, sorry.
[19:42] <Myrtti> oh for *
[19:44] <dsample> Just wondering, is it a lengthy process to get drivers added to the base image? I’d have hoped devices for popular devices (which I presume the XPS line is) would be high on the ‘it just works’ requirements list
[19:44] <Myrtti> "It would actually help if I'd plug the USB in instead of putting it on the laptop"
[19:44] <Myrtti> poor thing, he's getting confused
[19:53] <diddledan> I just reported a gnarly bug to the windows insider feedback program - the windows app store allows to be configured to save apps and games to a drive other than C: (e.g. an in-built sd-card reader such as on my MS Surface Pro 3). it doesn't check whether this drive is formatted with ntfs and blindly tries to try installing apps causing it to fail with an obscure error code because the ACL system doesn't work on, for example, exFAT filesystems.
[19:59] <Myrtti> yay wifi!
[20:06] <Myrtti> if those are the icons that shipped with the system, oh my word.
[20:14] <Myrtti> "how do I..." "uuuuhhh install hexchat and ask popey *troll*"
[20:16] <Myrtti> "why do your icons look different" "because I've restored my settings from a backup" "I'd do that too but for some reason my old laptop doesn't boot anymore..." "..... sorry"
[20:16] <Myrtti> that font is ridiculous though
[20:18] <popey> hah
[20:21] <popey> ffs, internet has gone terrible again
[20:24] <daftykins> dsample: yep it'd be unworthy of time for a single system
[20:25] <daftykins> although windows 8.1 has a single option to hit on install, from legit media, to pull in all drivers auto
[20:25] <daftykins> given that XPS likely uses the intel on-die graphics you'd just enable that and it'll keep most drivers current
[20:26] <daftykins> audio + touchpad + any Dell utilities to drive hotkeys might be the only ones requiring manual intervention
[20:26] <daftykins> gotta nip off for xbox night now, bbl o/
[20:28] <Myrtti> well we used sneakernet for the drivers
[20:28] <Myrtti> was a bit of an effort tbh
[20:29] <awilkins> Windows drivers?
[20:29] <Myrtti> no, Linux wifi
[20:29] <awilkins> Ah, b34?
[20:29] <Myrtti> bcmwl yeah
[20:31] <Myrtti> "I can almost see the whole 400 games list on my steam on one screen on this"
[20:31] <Myrtti> *rolleyes*
[20:32] <Myrtti> *pout*
[20:39] <Myrtti> soon we'll know how this fares with Cities
[21:14] <popey> Turns out my internet issue.. UK wide.
[21:14] <popey> check out their twitter replies https://twitter.com/virginmedia/with_replies
[21:14] <directhex> the internet sucks
[21:14] <popey> sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry...
[21:26] <diddledan> popey: I can't even seem to get to www.virginmedia.com from a sky connection
[21:28] <diddledan> store.virginmedia.com works tho
[21:28] <diddledan> help.virginmedia.com works
[21:41] <diddledan> their status page doesn't idicate any problems (at least for my postcode)
[21:41] <diddledan> and national broadband also says green across-the-board
[22:21] <webpigeon> diddledan: works for me
[22:21] <diddledan> webpigeon: yeah it's back up now
[22:21] <webpigeon> :)
[22:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[22:37] <bigcalm> directhex: StephensonsRocket153plus2.iso torrent is stuck at 45.5%. Are you not seeding?
[22:38] <webpigeon> Evening bigcalm
[22:51] <directhex> bigcalm: oh damn, not since i rebooted to fix a thermal issue. hang on
[22:51] <directhex> bigcalm: transmission running again
[22:53] <mapps> hi all
[22:53] <bigcalm> directhex: aha
[22:53]  * bigcalm pokes his own transmission
[22:55] <directhex> bigcalm: i've added more trackers to the magnet link too, which might help. http://publicbt.com/ has three URIs
[22:56] <bigcalm> I don't know what magnet is
[22:56] <bigcalm> Right now I'm using the direct download and will see that
[22:56] <bigcalm> s/see/seed
[22:57] <directhex> edited the torrent file too
[22:58] <mapps> my arms are burnt
[22:58] <mapps> forgot sun cream when we played tennis
[22:58] <mapps> probably not an issue in uk:D
[23:02] <diddledan> directhex: can I help?
[23:02] <bigcalm> directhex: and now I'm seeding
[23:02] <directhex> diddledan: if you like. excitement is lower than it was in 2014, and i'm doing direct http offerings too. i hope the cdn works & i'm not paying for bandwidth on that one
[23:03] <mapps> sun cream gonna be kept in my bag at all times now
[23:04] <shauno> when you say excitement is lower .. is that just your port?  or steamos in general?
[23:06] <diddledan> hmm, which headless bittorrent do folk recommend I use?
[23:09] <webpigeon>  Transmission is pretty cool because you can run it as a command line app, a web app or a gui app
[23:09] <diddledan> that's what I've used in the past, yeah
[23:11] <directhex> shauno: both really
[23:11] <bigcalm> diddledan: transmission in daemon mode works for me. The web ui is how I interact with it
[23:11] <directhex> i think my cloudflare settings are wrong. 20gb bandwidth used, a few kb cached
[23:12] <diddledan> >.<
[23:12] <bigcalm> Sleep time
[23:16] <diddledan> directhex: what's the magnet?
[23:16]  * diddledan tries adding
[23:19]  * m0nkey_ doesn't like the dentist
[23:19] <m0nkey_> every time, there's something
[23:20] <diddledan> aah, ok, I think I found it at a .horse domain
[23:23] <shauno> not very long ago, that wouldn't have been a sentence.
[23:34]  * m0nkey_ sighs
[23:34] <m0nkey_> is it me, or are people trolling me on reddit lately
[23:34] <popey> Are they?
[23:34] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/01/jeremy-clarkson-joins-guardian-drive-for-fossil-fuel-divestment?CMP=share_btn_tw
[23:34] <popey> that's totally true
[23:34] <popey> and not an april fool, at all...
[23:35] <diddledan> ok, I'm downloading now
[23:46] <diddledan> I wonder how many loglines I'm indexing per second right now
[23:46] <diddledan> set it going about 10 minutes ago and up to about 15.5million lines indexed
[23:48] <diddledan> now 16mill
[23:48] <diddledan> looks like it's about 10k per second
[23:50] <diddledan> so far the index is 7GB
[23:55] <diddledan> stephensonsrocket is at 75% - soon be seeding the knackers off that beast
[23:55] <diddledan> 80%
[23:55] <diddledan> 85
[23:56] <diddledan> 90
[23:57] <diddledan> and.. done