| barrydk | More almal | 04:35 |
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| Kilos | hi Tonberry mazal barrydk nlsthzn inetpro and others | 05:02 |
| Kilos | mazal ek was oor die kole gehaal | 05:03 |
| mazal | Môre oom | 05:03 |
| mazal | Hoe so ? | 05:03 |
| Kilos | wat het gebeer met jou fun ding vir ons site | 05:04 |
| Tonberry | hi | 05:04 |
| mazal | Kilos: Kry nie tyd nie. Deur die dag te besig en in die aand probeer ek min tyd op pc screens spandeer. Oge gee in | 05:04 |
| Kilos | ai! | 05:05 |
| mazal | Ek sal dalk hom klaarmaak wanneer ek op verlof is. | 05:05 |
| mazal | My oge is rêrig gedaan. Kan nie meer al die werk op pc hanteer nie | 05:05 |
| Kilos | doen jou beste asb seun | 05:05 |
| Kilos | dis deel van oud word ne | 05:05 |
| mazal | Het nie gedink iemand gee rerig om nie , ek het nie eers een reply gekry nie | 05:06 |
| Kilos | dis omdat almal besig is met ander goed ook | 05:06 |
| mazal | Gedink almal is net werk werk werk hier en niemand mind van fun nie lol :) | 05:07 |
| Kilos | natuurlink gee ons om, dis belangrik wat jy doen want dis al wat ubuntu kort nog, die games ding | 05:07 |
| mazal | Party aande is dit 'n mission net om mail te lees , ek begin erg sukkel oom | 05:08 |
| Kilos | jy moet ander bril kry seun | 05:08 |
| mazal | Ek het nuwe een gekry , help nie | 05:08 |
| Kilos | ai! | 05:09 |
| mazal | En daar is fout met my kop ook. Baie erg dizzyness en kopsere | 05:09 |
| Kilos | dizzyness as jy vinning opkyk? | 05:09 |
| mazal | Dan deur die dag tap die werk als uit my uit en in die aand kom ek nie op pc nie | 05:09 |
| mazal | Veral daai tipe lees en tik werk wat die wiki verg is besonder moeilik teen die tyd wat die aand kom | 05:10 |
| Kilos | ai! | 05:11 |
| mazal | Soms raak ek skoon kkorsig dat die sweet sommer uitslaan en kan nie eers regop sit nie :( | 05:11 |
| Kilos | probeer miskien net elke naweek bietjie doen asb | 05:11 |
| Kilos | jy is al een wat baie games speel | 05:12 |
| mazal | My verlof is naby oom , dan sal ek bk werk daaraan in die oggend wanneer ek vars is ;) | 05:13 |
| Kilos | dankie seun | 05:13 |
| mazal | 3 Dekades op pc screens begin nou sy tol eis | 05:14 |
| Kilos | ai! | 05:14 |
| mazal | Ek kort ander werk , buite lug waar geen screen naby is nie :P | 05:14 |
| mazal | Geen screens , geen fone , en belangrikste van als , geen users | 05:15 |
| Kilos | sal kyk of daar plek is vir nog n straat veër | 05:16 |
| Kilos | hehe | 05:16 |
| mazal | Solank die besem 'n lang steel het. My rug is ook kapoet | 05:17 |
| Kilos | ai! jy word nou soos ekke | 05:17 |
| mazal | Ja nee , oud word is nie maklik nie | 05:18 |
| Kilos | hoe lank nog voor pensioen? | 05:18 |
| mazal | 18 jaar , baaaaaaaaaie ver | 05:19 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:19 |
| mazal | Ek's 42 oor 2 weke | 05:19 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:19 |
| Kilos | die lewe begin eers op 40 man | 05:20 |
| mazal | Nie myne nie :( | 05:20 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:20 |
| mazal | Werk en sport , en nou is dit net skete | 05:21 |
| Kilos | ai! sorry man | 05:21 |
| mazal | Knieë is ook gedaan agv al die jare se krieket | 05:21 |
| mazal | hehehe | 05:21 |
| Kilos | te veel minetest man | 05:22 |
| mazal | Ish , hoe het ons op die topic op ge-eindig ? Ek gaan almal skoon depressed maak :P | 05:22 |
| Kilos | lol | 05:23 |
| mazal | Ek minetest amper nooit eers meer nie. Skuif net quarries nou en dan | 05:23 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:23 |
| mazal | Minetest baie kopsere die jaar , baie bugs | 05:24 |
| mazal | Een probleem na die ander | 05:24 |
| Kilos | nou vat barrydk aan die oor en leer hom wat om te doen | 05:24 |
| mazal | Hy gaan die minetest server run terwyl ek op verlof is :) | 05:24 |
| mazal | Oom moet sy projek sien wat hy mee besig is | 05:25 |
| Kilos | nee man leer hom om die wiki goed te doen terwyl jy agter homk staan met n sjambok | 05:25 |
| mazal | 'n Sorting system met 'n kis vir elke enkele ding in die game. En onthou , ek gebruik dreambuilder , daar is oor die 1800 goed wat jy kan craft en in die inventory | 05:25 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:26 |
| mazal | So dis 'n 1800+ kis en sorting system netwerk | 05:26 |
| Kilos | sjoe jy word nou erger as graeme | 05:26 |
| mazal | Myne is net al die basic goete wat mens actually gebruik | 05:30 |
| mazal | Dink myne is so 35 in totaal omtrent | 05:30 |
| Kilos | aha | 05:30 |
| Kilos | hy het tot planters want auto plant en oes en weer plant | 05:31 |
| mazal | Ek het net auto oes op sekere goed | 05:32 |
| mazal | Planters het ek noggie mee gespeel nie | 05:32 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:32 |
| Symmetria | sup | 06:21 |
| Kilos | hi Padroni Symmetria | 06:21 |
| Padroni | hi Kilos Symmetria | 06:21 |
| Symmetria | lol, so, I'm moderating a panel today infront of 800 people | 06:22 |
| Symmetria | on IT security | 06:22 |
| Symmetria | and have been handed a dream set of panelists that are just WIDE open for me to ask tough contraversial questions | 06:22 |
| Symmetria | lol the put a microsoft dev lead on the panel.... heh, I warned him this wasnt gonna be easy on him | 06:23 |
| Padroni | Sounds like something I would love to see | 06:26 |
| Symmetria | heh, padroni anyone who knows me knows that its a very dangerous thing to put me as moderator on a panel like this, because for me, a panel that has contraversy and arguments is remebered | 06:27 |
| Symmetria | a panel where everyne just chats and agrees is forgotten | 06:27 |
| Padroni | true that | 06:27 |
| Symmetria | so I go in there and prepare questions designed to hit below the belt, make people think very carefully before they answer what I say (because half the time my questions are such that I can predict which way the answer is going to go and have a follow up question thats designed to trip them up) | 06:28 |
| Symmetria | Like "Lets talk about critical infrastructure in a country, what should be classified as critical infrastructure in terms of IT" | 06:28 |
| Symmetria | and I can guarantee the guy is going to say "All the infrastrucutre of the incumbent mobile provider | 06:28 |
| Symmetria | at which point Im going to say "Is it not a better idea to force, via regulation, that the incumbent be split into multiple entities to reduce the risk factor of all eggs in one basket" | 06:29 |
| Symmetria | :P and watch all hell break out | 06:29 |
| Symmetria | (right before the CEO of the incumbent mobile provider shoots me) lol | 06:30 |
| Kilos | hi TinuvaMac | 07:30 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw | 07:36 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 07:39 |
| psyatw | how are you doing? | 07:39 |
| Kilos | good ty and you | 07:40 |
| Kilos | wbb | 07:40 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 07:42 |
| psyatw | I am also doing all-right | 07:43 |
| psyatw | just arrived at work | 07:44 |
| psyatw | ty | 07:44 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:44 |
| Padroni | One of these days, a bike swerving through traffic between cars, while driving on the white line, will knock my car. And you will see me on the 20H00 news... | 07:58 |
| Padroni | Because I will be the one arrested for beating a biker to death with his helmet. | 07:59 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:59 |
| Kilos | gmail decides to spam odd mails | 08:59 |
| Kilos | wwk original is spam in its eyes | 08:59 |
| SilverCode | why the hell is za.archive.ubuntu.com resolving to an IP in Kenya | 09:19 |
| Kilos | because the local mirrors are sick | 09:20 |
| Kilos | so we got them pointed to Symmetria | 09:20 |
| SilverCode | ok, because the server I'm getting i sincorectly configured | 09:21 |
| Kilos | shout at Symmetria | 09:22 |
| Kilos | use the neology one so long it works great | 09:22 |
| Kilos | and always up to date | 09:23 |
| SilverCode | what is the "closest" to a Neotel Fibre connection? | 09:24 |
| Kilos | ? | 09:24 |
| SilverCode | least number of hops between exiting neotel and getting to the server | 09:25 |
| SilverCode | but I suppose there are only 3 choices, and 1 of them is broken and the other is Telkom | 09:25 |
| SilverCode | so Neology it is | 09:25 |
| Kilos | i just use the link in update manager | 09:25 |
| Kilos | neology is nice and fast | 09:26 |
| Kilos | you could also get update manager to search for the best site for you but ive had no hassles from neology | 09:27 |
| Kilos | one of the guys thats here or visits here works there too | 09:27 |
| Squirm | Morning | 10:01 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 10:01 |
| Squirm | Hmm, seems it's afternoon | 10:02 |
| Squirm | Good afternoon | 10:02 |
| Kilos | that too ya | 10:02 |
| Kilos | hi is better it fits in with all times | 10:02 |
| Squirm | It's always good morning in international chat time | 10:05 |
| Squirm | Or whatever it's called | 10:05 |
| * Squirm shrugs | 10:05 | |
| Kilos | lol like i said morning yesterday to dholbach and he had 2 hours to go till midnight | 10:06 |
| Kilos | now i evening him and peeps on the dark side | 10:07 |
| mazal | Guys is there something specific ( apart from manually changing settings ) that can break automatic updates ? | 11:00 |
| mazal | My pc here always does on Tuesday , but today it didn't | 11:00 |
| mazal | Check the settings and it's still as is | 11:01 |
| Padroni | laters folks | 13:11 |
| magespawn | good afternoon | 13:28 |
| Kilos | ai! | 14:11 |
| Kilos | sorry guyshead crashed all avy | 14:28 |
| Kilos | hi kulelu88 | 14:36 |
| kulelu88 | Hey Kilos | 14:39 |
| Kilos | when im away you guys must greet peeps man | 14:39 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 14:40 |
| kulelu88 | Kilos: thats not how IRC works | 14:43 |
| Kilos | man this is ubuntu-za we all together in the same boat | 14:48 |
| Kilos | so when someone falls out we dont wait for a cry of help before reaching out a hand | 14:50 |
| Kilos | we catch him on the way past | 14:50 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 17:20 |
| Kilos | inetpro jy siek? | 17:57 |
| magespawn | good evening | 18:30 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 18:30 |
| Kilos | sorry i missed you this avy | 18:30 |
| magespawn | no worries | 18:31 |
| Kilos | all ok there lad? | 18:31 |
| Kilos | hi clr_ | 18:32 |
| clr_ | Hi Kilos, you never disappoint with a 'hi' | 18:33 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:33 |
| clr_ | can anyone help me with a windows licensing issue? | 18:33 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:33 |
| Kilos | what kind of issue | 18:34 |
| clr_ | I have a 8.1 OEM license that that I got with my laptop | 18:34 |
| clr_ | this license allows me to run it as the host, or as a virtual machine on the same box | 18:34 |
| clr_ | it also allows me to run it as win7 as host (in case I wanted to downgrade) | 18:35 |
| clr_ | Thing is, I want to run it as Win7 guest in virtualbox on my linux | 18:35 |
| clr_ | Any takers? | 18:37 |
| Kilos | clr_ have you asked on #windows | 18:38 |
| Kilos | also why you want to run 7 not 8 | 18:38 |
| clr_ | hey, did you note the 'linux' reference on my last sentence? | 18:38 |
| Kilos | ive just made an 8 work with the traditional start button | 18:38 |
| Kilos | yes i did | 18:38 |
| kulelu88 | windows 8 is kaka firstly | 18:38 |
| Kilos | i dont know enough about that os to comment | 18:39 |
| clr_ | so I figured we linux guys have this problem, where you need to run your windows (that you got with your laptop) as a guest, once you replaced the os with ubuntu | 18:39 |
| clr_ | so I thought this the ideal place to ask the question | 18:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:40 |
| Kilos | kulelu88 help him | 18:40 |
| magespawn | back again | 18:43 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 18:45 |
| Kilos | clr_ ask magespawn he plays with windows all day | 18:45 |
| kulelu88 | clr_: I dual boot mine just to keep the windows on it | 18:46 |
| magespawn | more than i would like to admit | 18:46 |
| kulelu88 | clr_: Unless it is a work laptop, what can microsoft do to enforce that you NOT use your legitimate copy of windows on the SAME laptop in a virtualbox? | 18:47 |
| kulelu88 | Kinda like Builders Warehouse trying to enforce who from my family can use the hammer I BOUGHT | 18:48 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:48 |
| magespawn | there are no unusual restrictions when using windows in a virtual box, the same as applies to bare metal machines | 18:48 |
| kulelu88 | Kudos to you for respecting the law and the license though, clr_ | 18:49 |
| magespawn | in fact one of the versions comes with a virtual license for xp, i think it is 7 but it might be 8 | 18:50 |
| clr_ | well, just that I had to phone a few times when I can't activate the copy of windows | 18:52 |
| clr_ | and it is irritating when it stops working | 18:52 |
| clr_ | Haven't you had a copy of windows stop working because it has not been activated? | 18:53 |
| clr_ | Unfortunately I am also one of those that have to use windows during the day | 18:55 |
| kulelu88 | clr_: dual-boot instead of Virtualbox | 18:55 |
| kulelu88 | dual-booting gives you the full machines power also | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ya i think dual boot is the best | 18:56 |
| clr_ | No, I like the fact that I can snapshot my windows | 18:56 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:56 |
| kulelu88 | well we did try | 18:56 |
| clr_ | And if you have many clients, you can have one 'desktop' for the one and another for the other (different snapshots) | 18:57 |
| clr_ | so if they want to install their crap on it, it does not affect the other | 18:57 |
| Kilos | ah | 18:57 |
| Kilos | what do the win peeps say about it | 18:57 |
| Kilos | the prob is actually from them not letting it activate not so? | 18:58 |
| clr_ | I did post also on mybroadband, will see what reply I get | 18:58 |
| clr_ | yes, I am sure I can run it as a win8.1 virtual machine, but that is not what I want. I would prefer it to run as a win7 virtual machine. | 19:00 |
| kulelu88 | so download the win7 packages, burn it onto a disk or .iso image and use that as your virtual machine | 19:01 |
| clr_ | @kulelu88, that sounds interesting, how do you do that? | 19:02 |
| kulelu88 | the way i backed up windows is by following some tool of theirs that allows you to back the system files into a few disks. I used about 2/3 DVDs | 19:03 |
| Kilos | you dont need @ here clr_ | 19:03 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 19:04 |
| superfly | hi | 19:05 |
| clr_ | ok thanks for the input, enough of this windows nonsense in any case | 19:06 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:06 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: how long would it take you to build a Python MVP for a basic CRUD-style application and how much code-reuse do you use? | 19:10 |
| magespawn | clr_: if you keep the machine date and time fixed the 30 days never runs out | 19:10 |
| superfly | kulelu88: how long is a piece of string? | 19:10 |
| magespawn | lol | 19:10 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:10 |
| kulelu88 | well that answer was in poor taste | 19:11 |
| superfly | kulelu88: hardly. the devil is in the details. | 19:11 |
| kulelu88 | I was expecting a realistic estimate for someone with your skills. Either 1 month or more | 19:11 |
| clr_ | magespawn haha, have you tried that? | 19:12 |
| superfly | kulelu88: it depends on what technologies I'm using, what tables are involved, and a few other variables that would need to be pinned down. | 19:12 |
| superfly | kulelu88: I know you can put something CRUDdy together with Django in a few hours, but then it's cruddy. | 19:13 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: so you spend quite a bit of time planning? | 19:13 |
| magespawn | yes, one of my old pc's had a bios problem that as soon as it was powered off, it would reset the date and time | 19:13 |
| magespawn | plas havoc with things like antivirus though | 19:13 |
| superfly | kulelu88: enough to get a good estimate of how much work is involved | 19:13 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: is that a soft-skill that can only be taught with experience? | 19:14 |
| superfly | pretty much | 19:14 |
| superfly | and developers are notoriously bad at estimations | 19:14 |
| kulelu88 | I am trying to estimate a bunch a projects I want to work on, but I yak shave thinking too much about it | 19:14 |
| superfly | (project managers are worse) | 19:14 |
| superfly | hehe, I know where you're coming from | 19:14 |
| superfly | kulelu88: at work we prefer to take a more long-term approach | 19:15 |
| superfly | break what you want to do down into small features, and then estimate each feature | 19:15 |
| superfly | we do JIT planning ;-) | 19:15 |
| superfly | Which is why I like Trello for my personal stuff. It's easy to break stuff down and make todo lists from it. Then move stories through a pipeline of sorts (To Do, Doing, Done) | 19:17 |
| clr_ | magespawn, also calender apps are pretty useless and so on | 19:17 |
| magespawn | yup | 19:17 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: are you familiar with a developer issue of premature optimization (like: don't use Python if Go can give me better performance) | 19:17 |
| superfly | yup | 19:17 |
| kulelu88 | it kills me when I read up about those languages, even though python is my go-to, I feel like I am screwing myself over | 19:18 |
| superfly | kulelu88: the reality is that Python is fast enough | 19:22 |
| kulelu88 | for basic scaling, right? superfly | 19:23 |
| superfly | kulelu88: and how long is it going to take you to learn and become proficient in Go? | 19:23 |
| kulelu88 | about less time than it will take to optimize something in Python | 19:23 |
| superfly | kulelu88: for almost anything | 19:23 |
| superfly | kulelu88: no, it will take more. | 19:23 |
| kulelu88 | oh yes, sorry, I meant more | 19:23 |
| kulelu88 | got my comparison backwards :( :D | 19:24 |
| superfly | :-) | 19:24 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: with your experience, would you use any tools to help you build Android apps? | 19:25 |
| superfly | It took me 2 years to become really proficient in Python, and 2 years to really understand Google App Engine. | 19:25 |
| magespawn | hah now i am not feeling too bad | 19:25 |
| superfly | kulelu88: uh, I'd probably stick with Android Studio and Java | 19:26 |
| kulelu88 | Python really is amazing. I didn't write code for sometime and quickly spun up a script in 2 hours that helped a lot | 19:26 |
| superfly | I know Java well enough, and with it being the language and system of choice on Android, I'll be better able to get things working if I stick with what everyone else is using. | 19:26 |
| kulelu88 | what about app-builders that generate Java code? | 19:27 |
| superfly | Too true | 19:27 |
| superfly | I'm not fond of those. | 19:27 |
| kulelu88 | You raise some awesome points. Finding the perfect tool will just be yak shaving. I'll just put Android in a Docker container and build an app from code-snippets | 19:30 |
| superfly | kulelu88: Stack Overflow-driven Development ;-) | 19:40 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: somehow, somebody else has always asked "that" question | 19:41 |
| inetpro | good evening | 19:43 |
| inetpro | Kilos: no | 19:43 |
| Kilos | yay | 19:43 |
| superfly | "Finding the perfect tool will just be yak shaving" -- perfectly said | 19:43 |
| kulelu88 | what are you working on currently? superfly | 19:44 |
| superfly | As in, at this minute, or as in "in general"? | 19:45 |
| kulelu88 | in general | 19:45 |
| kulelu88 | maybe a SaaS or something open source, etc. | 19:46 |
| superfly | I've got a pet project that uses Flask, App Engine, AngularJS and Bootstrap. Nothing to show yet. | 19:46 |
| superfly | I'm always working on OpenLP | 19:46 |
| kulelu88 | NLP software? | 19:46 |
| superfly | No, lyrics projection. Gives a church with a data projector the ability to show their songs, Bible verses, etc. on the projector, with a management console on the PC | 19:47 |
| superfly | Then I'm also trying to guide the direction of the Ubuntu-ZA and Ubuntu-Africa sites | 19:48 |
| magespawn | and the other full time job | 19:48 |
| superfly | And, I'm involved with DebConf16 | 19:48 |
| Kilos | but whip too small | 19:48 |
| superfly | oh, yes, and Nomanini during business hours. | 19:48 |
| magespawn | the family | 19:48 |
| superfly | magespawn: in between everything else. | 19:49 |
| magespawn | and not to mention the little things like sleep | 19:49 |
| superfly | kulelu88: AngularJS + Flask = WIN | 19:49 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: I applied for a job once using Angular + Flask. Then the COO/C-something-O hit me with a Google-fu question and told me to eff off (in symbolic terms) :D | 19:50 |
| magespawn | hi inetpro | 19:51 |
| inetpro | oh hi magespawn | 19:51 |
| Kilos | inetpro moppie drop ons | 19:52 |
| kulelu88 | I really wanted to work for a startup as a coder, but ahh well, found greener pastures doing nicer work | 19:52 |
| superfly | I don't mind what company I work for, as long as (a) they pay me enough to support my family, and (b) people are willing to listen to me | 19:55 |
| magespawn | i am off to bed, good night all | 19:56 |
| Kilos | night magespawn | 19:56 |
| kulelu88 | is the commute bad for you? superfly | 19:58 |
| superfly | kulelu88: depends on your definition of "bad" - mine is 45 minutes on the train, but I don't mind it. I get a chance to relax, sleep, play Ingress. | 20:00 |
| kulelu88 | 90 minutes each day? | 20:01 |
| superfly | yeah | 20:02 |
| kulelu88 | my commute is 30 seconds :D | 20:02 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:02 |
| Kilos | fall out of bed and you at work | 20:03 |
| Kilos | night all, sleep tight | 20:05 |
| superfly | kulelu88: I can't work at home. I'd be interrupted the whole time. | 21:00 |
| superfly | Also, we use Agile and XP, so being at the office with the others is very necessary. It also helps me concentrate. | 21:00 |
| kulelu88 | that's whats happening these days superfly | 21:01 |
| superfly | kulelu88: in some circles, not everywhere | 21:02 |
| superfly | anyway, merge proposal in, bed time for me. | 21:03 |
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