[04:35] More almal [05:02] hi Tonberry mazal barrydk nlsthzn inetpro and others [05:03] mazal ek was oor die kole gehaal [05:03] Môre oom [05:03] Hoe so ? [05:04] wat het gebeer met jou fun ding vir ons site [05:04] hi [05:04] Kilos: Kry nie tyd nie. Deur die dag te besig en in die aand probeer ek min tyd op pc screens spandeer. Oge gee in [05:05] ai! [05:05] Ek sal dalk hom klaarmaak wanneer ek op verlof is. [05:05] My oge is rêrig gedaan. Kan nie meer al die werk op pc hanteer nie [05:05] doen jou beste asb seun [05:05] dis deel van oud word ne [05:06] Het nie gedink iemand gee rerig om nie , ek het nie eers een reply gekry nie [05:06] dis omdat almal besig is met ander goed ook [05:07] Gedink almal is net werk werk werk hier en niemand mind van fun nie lol :) [05:07] natuurlink gee ons om, dis belangrik wat jy doen want dis al wat ubuntu kort nog, die games ding [05:08] Party aande is dit 'n mission net om mail te lees , ek begin erg sukkel oom [05:08] jy moet ander bril kry seun [05:08] Ek het nuwe een gekry , help nie [05:09] ai! [05:09] En daar is fout met my kop ook. Baie erg dizzyness en kopsere [05:09] dizzyness as jy vinning opkyk? [05:09] Dan deur die dag tap die werk als uit my uit en in die aand kom ek nie op pc nie [05:10] Veral daai tipe lees en tik werk wat die wiki verg is besonder moeilik teen die tyd wat die aand kom [05:11] ai! [05:11] Soms raak ek skoon kkorsig dat die sweet sommer uitslaan en kan nie eers regop sit nie :( [05:11] probeer miskien net elke naweek bietjie doen asb [05:12] jy is al een wat baie games speel [05:13] My verlof is naby oom , dan sal ek bk werk daaraan in die oggend wanneer ek vars is ;) [05:13] dankie seun [05:14] 3 Dekades op pc screens begin nou sy tol eis [05:14] ai! [05:14] Ek kort ander werk , buite lug waar geen screen naby is nie :P [05:15] Geen screens , geen fone , en belangrikste van als , geen users [05:16] sal kyk of daar plek is vir nog n straat veër [05:16] hehe [05:17] Solank die besem 'n lang steel het. My rug is ook kapoet [05:17] ai! jy word nou soos ekke [05:18] Ja nee , oud word is nie maklik nie [05:18] hoe lank nog voor pensioen? [05:19] 18 jaar , baaaaaaaaaie ver [05:19] sjoe [05:19] Ek's 42 oor 2 weke [05:19] sjoe [05:20] die lewe begin eers op 40 man [05:20] Nie myne nie :( [05:20] sjoe [05:21] Werk en sport , en nou is dit net skete [05:21] ai! sorry man [05:21] Knieë is ook gedaan agv al die jare se krieket [05:21] hehehe [05:22] te veel minetest man [05:22] Ish , hoe het ons op die topic op ge-eindig ? Ek gaan almal skoon depressed maak :P [05:23] lol [05:23] Ek minetest amper nooit eers meer nie. Skuif net quarries nou en dan [05:23] sjoe [05:24] Minetest baie kopsere die jaar , baie bugs [05:24] Een probleem na die ander [05:24] nou vat barrydk aan die oor en leer hom wat om te doen [05:24] Hy gaan die minetest server run terwyl ek op verlof is :) [05:25] Oom moet sy projek sien wat hy mee besig is [05:25] nee man leer hom om die wiki goed te doen terwyl jy agter homk staan met n sjambok [05:25] 'n Sorting system met 'n kis vir elke enkele ding in die game. En onthou , ek gebruik dreambuilder , daar is oor die 1800 goed wat jy kan craft en in die inventory [05:26] sjoe [05:26] So dis 'n 1800+ kis en sorting system netwerk [05:26] sjoe jy word nou erger as graeme [05:30] Myne is net al die basic goete wat mens actually gebruik [05:30] Dink myne is so 35 in totaal omtrent [05:30] aha [05:31] hy het tot planters want auto plant en oes en weer plant [05:32] Ek het net auto oes op sekere goed [05:32] Planters het ek noggie mee gespeel nie [05:32] sjoe [06:21] sup [06:21] hi Padroni Symmetria [06:21] hi Kilos Symmetria [06:22] lol, so, I'm moderating a panel today infront of 800 people [06:22] on IT security [06:22] and have been handed a dream set of panelists that are just WIDE open for me to ask tough contraversial questions [06:23] lol the put a microsoft dev lead on the panel.... heh, I warned him this wasnt gonna be easy on him [06:26] Sounds like something I would love to see [06:27] heh, padroni anyone who knows me knows that its a very dangerous thing to put me as moderator on a panel like this, because for me, a panel that has contraversy and arguments is remebered [06:27] a panel where everyne just chats and agrees is forgotten [06:27] true that [06:28] so I go in there and prepare questions designed to hit below the belt, make people think very carefully before they answer what I say (because half the time my questions are such that I can predict which way the answer is going to go and have a follow up question thats designed to trip them up) [06:28] Like "Lets talk about critical infrastructure in a country, what should be classified as critical infrastructure in terms of IT" [06:28] and I can guarantee the guy is going to say "All the infrastrucutre of the incumbent mobile provider [06:29] at which point Im going to say "Is it not a better idea to force, via regulation, that the incumbent be split into multiple entities to reduce the risk factor of all eggs in one basket" [06:29] :P and watch all hell break out [06:30] (right before the CEO of the incumbent mobile provider shoots me) lol [07:30] hi TinuvaMac [07:36] hi psyatw [07:39] hi Kilos [07:39] how are you doing? [07:40] good ty and you [07:40] wbb [07:42] hmm... [07:43] I am also doing all-right [07:44] just arrived at work [07:44] ty [07:44] lol [07:58] One of these days, a bike swerving through traffic between cars, while driving on the white line, will knock my car. And you will see me on the 20H00 news... [07:59] Because I will be the one arrested for beating a biker to death with his helmet. [07:59] lol [08:59] gmail decides to spam odd mails [08:59] wwk original is spam in its eyes [09:19] why the hell is za.archive.ubuntu.com resolving to an IP in Kenya [09:20] because the local mirrors are sick [09:20] so we got them pointed to Symmetria [09:21] ok, because the server I'm getting i sincorectly configured [09:22] shout at Symmetria [09:22] use the neology one so long it works great [09:23] and always up to date [09:24] what is the "closest" to a Neotel Fibre connection? [09:24] ? [09:25] least number of hops between exiting neotel and getting to the server [09:25] but I suppose there are only 3 choices, and 1 of them is broken and the other is Telkom [09:25] so Neology it is [09:25] i just use the link in update manager [09:26] neology is nice and fast [09:27] you could also get update manager to search for the best site for you but ive had no hassles from neology [09:27] one of the guys thats here or visits here works there too [10:01] Morning [10:01] hi Squirm [10:02] Hmm, seems it's afternoon [10:02] Good afternoon [10:02] that too ya [10:02] hi is better it fits in with all times [10:05] It's always good morning in international chat time [10:05] Or whatever it's called [10:05] * Squirm shrugs [10:06] lol like i said morning yesterday to dholbach and he had 2 hours to go till midnight [10:07] now i evening him and peeps on the dark side [11:00] Guys is there something specific ( apart from manually changing settings ) that can break automatic updates ? [11:00] My pc here always does on Tuesday , but today it didn't [11:01] Check the settings and it's still as is [13:11] laters folks [13:28] good afternoon [14:11] ai! [14:28] sorry guyshead crashed all avy [14:36] hi kulelu88 [14:39] Hey Kilos [14:39] when im away you guys must greet peeps man [14:40] hi nlsthzn [14:43] Kilos: thats not how IRC works [14:48] man this is ubuntu-za we all together in the same boat [14:50] so when someone falls out we dont wait for a cry of help before reaching out a hand [14:50] we catch him on the way past [17:20] hmm... [17:57] inetpro jy siek? [18:30] good evening [18:30] hi magespawn [18:30] sorry i missed you this avy [18:31] no worries [18:31] all ok there lad? [18:32] hi clr_ [18:33] Hi Kilos, you never disappoint with a 'hi' [18:33] lol [18:33] can anyone help me with a windows licensing issue? [18:33] sjoe [18:34] what kind of issue [18:34] I have a 8.1 OEM license that that I got with my laptop [18:34] this license allows me to run it as the host, or as a virtual machine on the same box [18:35] it also allows me to run it as win7 as host (in case I wanted to downgrade) [18:35] Thing is, I want to run it as Win7 guest in virtualbox on my linux [18:37] Any takers? [18:38] clr_ have you asked on #windows [18:38] also why you want to run 7 not 8 [18:38] hey, did you note the 'linux' reference on my last sentence? [18:38] ive just made an 8 work with the traditional start button [18:38] yes i did [18:38] windows 8 is kaka firstly [18:39] i dont know enough about that os to comment [18:39] so I figured we linux guys have this problem, where you need to run your windows (that you got with your laptop) as a guest, once you replaced the os with ubuntu [18:40] so I thought this the ideal place to ask the question [18:40] lol [18:40] kulelu88 help him [18:43] back again [18:45] wb magespawn [18:45] clr_ ask magespawn he plays with windows all day [18:46] clr_: I dual boot mine just to keep the windows on it [18:46] more than i would like to admit [18:47] clr_: Unless it is a work laptop, what can microsoft do to enforce that you NOT use your legitimate copy of windows on the SAME laptop in a virtualbox? [18:48] Kinda like Builders Warehouse trying to enforce who from my family can use the hammer I BOUGHT [18:48] lol [18:48] there are no unusual restrictions when using windows in a virtual box, the same as applies to bare metal machines [18:49] Kudos to you for respecting the law and the license though, clr_ [18:50] in fact one of the versions comes with a virtual license for xp, i think it is 7 but it might be 8 [18:52] well, just that I had to phone a few times when I can't activate the copy of windows [18:52] and it is irritating when it stops working [18:53] Haven't you had a copy of windows stop working because it has not been activated? [18:55] Unfortunately I am also one of those that have to use windows during the day [18:55] clr_: dual-boot instead of Virtualbox [18:56] dual-booting gives you the full machines power also [18:56] ya i think dual boot is the best [18:56] No, I like the fact that I can snapshot my windows [18:56] lol [18:56] well we did try [18:57] And if you have many clients, you can have one 'desktop' for the one and another for the other (different snapshots) [18:57] so if they want to install their crap on it, it does not affect the other [18:57] ah [18:57] what do the win peeps say about it [18:58] the prob is actually from them not letting it activate not so? [18:58] I did post also on mybroadband, will see what reply I get [19:00] yes, I am sure I can run it as a win8.1 virtual machine, but that is not what I want. I would prefer it to run as a win7 virtual machine. [19:01] so download the win7 packages, burn it onto a disk or .iso image and use that as your virtual machine [19:02] @kulelu88, that sounds interesting, how do you do that? [19:03] the way i backed up windows is by following some tool of theirs that allows you to back the system files into a few disks. I used about 2/3 DVDs [19:03] you dont need @ here clr_ [19:04] ohi superfly [19:05] hi [19:06] ok thanks for the input, enough of this windows nonsense in any case [19:06] lol [19:10] superfly: how long would it take you to build a Python MVP for a basic CRUD-style application and how much code-reuse do you use? [19:10] clr_: if you keep the machine date and time fixed the 30 days never runs out [19:10] kulelu88: how long is a piece of string? [19:10] lol [19:10] lol [19:11] well that answer was in poor taste [19:11] kulelu88: hardly. the devil is in the details. [19:11] I was expecting a realistic estimate for someone with your skills. Either 1 month or more [19:12] magespawn haha, have you tried that? [19:12] kulelu88: it depends on what technologies I'm using, what tables are involved, and a few other variables that would need to be pinned down. [19:13] kulelu88: I know you can put something CRUDdy together with Django in a few hours, but then it's cruddy. [19:13] superfly: so you spend quite a bit of time planning? [19:13] yes, one of my old pc's had a bios problem that as soon as it was powered off, it would reset the date and time [19:13] plas havoc with things like antivirus though [19:13] kulelu88: enough to get a good estimate of how much work is involved [19:14] superfly: is that a soft-skill that can only be taught with experience? [19:14] pretty much [19:14] and developers are notoriously bad at estimations [19:14] I am trying to estimate a bunch a projects I want to work on, but I yak shave thinking too much about it [19:14] (project managers are worse) [19:14] hehe, I know where you're coming from [19:15] kulelu88: at work we prefer to take a more long-term approach [19:15] break what you want to do down into small features, and then estimate each feature [19:15] we do JIT planning ;-) [19:17] Which is why I like Trello for my personal stuff. It's easy to break stuff down and make todo lists from it. Then move stories through a pipeline of sorts (To Do, Doing, Done) [19:17] magespawn, also calender apps are pretty useless and so on [19:17] yup [19:17] superfly: are you familiar with a developer issue of premature optimization (like: don't use Python if Go can give me better performance) [19:17] yup [19:18] it kills me when I read up about those languages, even though python is my go-to, I feel like I am screwing myself over [19:22] kulelu88: the reality is that Python is fast enough [19:23] for basic scaling, right? superfly [19:23] kulelu88: and how long is it going to take you to learn and become proficient in Go? [19:23] about less time than it will take to optimize something in Python [19:23] kulelu88: for almost anything [19:23] kulelu88: no, it will take more. [19:23] oh yes, sorry, I meant more [19:24] got my comparison backwards :( :D [19:24] :-) [19:25] superfly: with your experience, would you use any tools to help you build Android apps? [19:25] It took me 2 years to become really proficient in Python, and 2 years to really understand Google App Engine. [19:25] hah now i am not feeling too bad [19:26] kulelu88: uh, I'd probably stick with Android Studio and Java [19:26] Python really is amazing. I didn't write code for sometime and quickly spun up a script in 2 hours that helped a lot [19:26] I know Java well enough, and with it being the language and system of choice on Android, I'll be better able to get things working if I stick with what everyone else is using. [19:27] what about app-builders that generate Java code? [19:27] Too true [19:27] I'm not fond of those. [19:30] You raise some awesome points. Finding the perfect tool will just be yak shaving. I'll just put Android in a Docker container and build an app from code-snippets [19:40] kulelu88: Stack Overflow-driven Development ;-) [19:41] superfly: somehow, somebody else has always asked "that" question [19:43] good evening [19:43] Kilos: no [19:43] yay [19:43] "Finding the perfect tool will just be yak shaving" -- perfectly said [19:44] what are you working on currently? superfly [19:45] As in, at this minute, or as in "in general"? [19:45] in general [19:46] maybe a SaaS or something open source, etc. [19:46] I've got a pet project that uses Flask, App Engine, AngularJS and Bootstrap. Nothing to show yet. [19:46] I'm always working on OpenLP [19:46] NLP software? [19:47] No, lyrics projection. Gives a church with a data projector the ability to show their songs, Bible verses, etc. on the projector, with a management console on the PC [19:48] Then I'm also trying to guide the direction of the Ubuntu-ZA and Ubuntu-Africa sites [19:48] and the other full time job [19:48] And, I'm involved with DebConf16 [19:48] but whip too small [19:48] oh, yes, and Nomanini during business hours. [19:48] the family [19:49] magespawn: in between everything else. [19:49] and not to mention the little things like sleep [19:49] kulelu88: AngularJS + Flask = WIN [19:50] superfly: I applied for a job once using Angular + Flask. Then the COO/C-something-O hit me with a Google-fu question and told me to eff off (in symbolic terms) :D [19:51] hi inetpro [19:51] oh hi magespawn [19:52] inetpro moppie drop ons [19:52] I really wanted to work for a startup as a coder, but ahh well, found greener pastures doing nicer work [19:55] I don't mind what company I work for, as long as (a) they pay me enough to support my family, and (b) people are willing to listen to me [19:56] i am off to bed, good night all [19:56] night magespawn [19:58] is the commute bad for you? superfly [20:00] kulelu88: depends on your definition of "bad" - mine is 45 minutes on the train, but I don't mind it. I get a chance to relax, sleep, play Ingress. [20:01] 90 minutes each day? [20:02] yeah [20:02] my commute is 30 seconds :D [20:02] lol [20:03] fall out of bed and you at work [20:05] night all, sleep tight [21:00] kulelu88: I can't work at home. I'd be interrupted the whole time. [21:00] Also, we use Agile and XP, so being at the office with the others is very necessary. It also helps me concentrate. [21:01] that's whats happening these days superfly [21:02] kulelu88: in some circles, not everywhere [21:03] anyway, merge proposal in, bed time for me.