[01:25] <xkaue> Why does Xubuntu ships XChat, not HexChat?
[01:26] <xkaue> I read that XChat development has stopped.
[01:34] <elky> xkaue: if you're talking about hte development version, i'd suggest submitting a bug about that. it's a good point
[01:35] <elky> not much can be done about previous versions though
[01:38] <xkaue> How do I submit a bug? I don't know much about Xubuntu roadmap, I was just reading about IRC clients and found that HexChat is a (active) fork of XChat.
[01:52] <elky> xkaue: start here and follow the prompts. don't worry too much about "instructions" or whatever for this particular bug though https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+filebug
[01:52] <elky> leave most things at default values, ask if you get confused
[02:06] <pleia2> xkaue: xubuntu doesn't ship either one anymore
[02:06] <pleia2> only pidgin
[02:07] <pleia2> hexchat has some frustrating bugs, xchat is not being developed, and we figured with anyone beyond basic IRC needs (which pidgin provides) will just install their own client based on their preferences anyway
[02:09] <xkaue> You're right, I'm using 14.04 and I thought XChat was still the default IRC client, sorry.
[02:09] <pleia2> no worries :) we appreciate the feedback, and this kind of feedback is precisely why we made the decision we made
[02:59] <elky> sorry i should have checked
[03:03] <pleia2> elky: no need to apologize, your diligence regarding asking whether it was the development version was noted ;)
[03:04] <elky> :)
[03:04] <Unit193> Besides, nothing wrong with switching from null to hexchat.
[06:20] <elfy> knome: that looks more sane 
[09:02] <knome> elfy, yeah, i agree
[09:03] <knome> elfy, after having thought about it, what you said actually sums up my thoughts too
[09:03] <knome> elfy, you said something about only a few people changing something "what makes us look something"
[09:03] <knome> elfy, isn't that the purpose of the website/marketing teams? :)
[11:40] <elfy> knome: yea ofc - what's your point? 
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy 
[11:41] <elfy> I can't see anyone else wanting to make global decisions 
[11:42] <elfy> hi - not really here slickymasterWork - lunchtime
[11:42] <slickymasterWork> nevermind, already have what I needed from you ;)
[12:54] <knome> elfy, marketing/website-related decisions tend to affect more people indirectly, and i guess we don't just agree on what is something that should be ran through everybody in the team and what not
[13:00] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: either of you around for a debugging session?
[13:09] <knome> bug 1438679
[13:10] <brainwash> bug 1379702
[13:12] <knome> didn't pop up when i was filing
[13:19] <knome> aaand set as duplicate
[13:50] <elfy> knome: I'd guess so :)
[13:54] <knome> elfy, even when i was the XPL, i wanted to delegate "freedoms" and responsibilities to team leads and more, so maybe if you think this from that point of view, it might make more sense (even if you didn't agree with it any more)
[13:55] <elfy> I've really not got much of an issue here - website is nothing to do with me (much), but I will balk at being told what to do with QA ;)
[13:56] <knome> elfy, we didn't tell anybody to do with anything yet :)
[13:56] <knome> *anything with anything
[13:56] <elfy> nor do I particuarly want to drag this out anymore 
[13:56] <knome> just an early proposal :P
[13:57] <knome> agreed
[13:57] <knome> at least we're arguing about things, not people...
[13:57] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[13:58] <elfy> we're probably arguing about the difference between words written, their expected meaning, and their perceived meaning ;)
[13:58] <knome> probably
[13:59] <knome> but even that's better than arguing about people or just for the sake of it :P
[13:59] <knome> which i've seen happen in other teams...
[13:59] <elfy> for sure :)
[13:59] <elfy> if I was arguing that black was white - I'd be doing it in -offtopic ... 
[13:59] <knome> and the best thing is that even if we disagree, i can expect that you won't hate me after that - and you can expect the same from me
[14:00]  * knome offers elfy a cookie and a coffee with rum
[14:00] <elfy> absolutely :)
[14:00] <elfy> lol 
[14:00] <slickymasterWork> rum?!
[14:00] <knome> rum
[14:00] <elfy> is that a bribe :( 
[14:00] <elfy> :D
[14:00] <slickymasterWork> someone called me?
[14:00] <knome> elfy, maybe ;(
[14:00] <knome> slickymasterWork, haha
[14:00] <slickymasterWork> ;)
[14:00]  * knome offers slickymasterWork some cold hand on the cheek
[14:01] <slickymasterWork> blaarrrrgh
[14:01] <knome> i didn't argue with you, no bribes for you :P
[14:01] <knome> i mean, acts of kindness and friendship
[14:01] <knome> :P
[14:01] <elfy> ha ha 
[14:02] <slickymasterWork> noet to himself, argue with knome on a regular basis
[14:02] <slickymasterWork> * note
[14:02] <knome> it's the foreign language that mixes my thoughts up O;)
[14:33] <elfy> Unit193: like https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa
[14:35] <slickymasterWork> elfy, double towards, isn't it a bit on the meh side?
[14:35] <elfy> missed that 
[14:35] <slickymasterWork> :)
[14:36] <slickymasterWork> spot on
[14:36] <elfy> rarely get them
[14:36] <knome> elfy, the website doesn't mention that either (needs updating), but one of the tasks is also maintaining the testcases/-suites
[14:37] <elfy> knome: I'm looking at the QA page anyway - that can be added for sure
[14:38] <Unit193> Sounds like PR.
[14:41] <knome> elfy, yep
[14:44] <slickymasterWork> ok, so I've also tweaked the -docs description in LP, agreements, disagreements, please
[14:44] <slickymasterWork> !team ^^
[14:45] <slickymasterWork> !team
[14:47] <knome> what about the slideshow? :P
[14:48] <slickymasterWork> was on planning on starting that after release knome 
[14:49] <slickymasterWork> tbh, I'm struggling a bit with spare time
[14:49] <slickymasterWork> btw knome, did you manage to think about your issue with https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/xubuntu-docs/patches/+merge/254485
[14:51] <elfy> Unit193: as long as it doesn't sound like teen spirit I'm happy
[14:52] <slickymasterWork> grunge elfy?!
[14:52] <elfy> nope - I wash regularly