[05:28] <mapps> so will this 15euro burger be good
[05:28] <mapps> or just a ripoff;D
[05:51] <zmoylan-pi> will it be real cow or a complete tescos?
[05:54] <mapps> ;D
[05:54] <mapps> fosters hollywood..odd name no?
[05:58] <zmoylan-pi> throw buzzwords at product name till it sells
[05:59] <mapps> www.fostershollywood.es
[05:59] <mapps> have a look
[05:59] <mapps> :)
[06:38] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:39] <zmoylan-pi> except sadly for off licence workers in ireland
[06:41] <knightwise> hey zmoylan-pi how are you :)
[06:41] <zmoylan-pi> all well, yourself?
[06:42] <knightwise> doin ok .. hanging out at Google in Brussels this morning
[06:43] <zmoylan-pi> are you waving a bring back google reader placard?
[06:43] <knightwise> LOL :)
[06:43] <knightwise> And i've tattooed "SAVE GOOGLE CODE" on my naked chest
[06:44] <zmoylan-pi> there wasn't enough space on your backside with the 'mother' tattoo? :-)
[06:45] <knightwise> Those two cheeks are the home of a care-bear and a Mylittlepowny
[06:45] <zmoylan-pi> and developers, developers, developers that has resisted all known lasers till now...
[06:46] <knightwise> LOL
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:04] <diddledan> morning
[08:07] <Myrtti> I need to find something that I need from Amazon, sold by or shipped by Amazon, worth of £5.
[08:09] <zmoylan-pi> does their search not help?
[08:09] <foobarry> had the worst customer experience ever yesterday
[08:10] <diddledan> Myrtti: just something random which happens to be around a fiver?
[08:11] <foobarry> bought a bed from argos, i got contacted to say they had charged my card twice by mistake and had cancelled one. i phoned on sat to double check the delivery date was still ok "yes sir all booked". delivery nver arrived yesterady. phoned to check, they said no bookings have been made, and there is no stock available any more
[08:11] <Myrtti> good point, what do I have on my wishlist
[08:13] <zmoylan-pi> but i doubt they'd have a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range for that amount... :-)
[08:14] <foobarry> they have individual karbonz needles
[08:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:14] <davmor2> Myrtti: wishes?  normally the point of a wish list :P
[08:15] <awilkins> Why does it have to be £5 ?
[08:15] <Myrtti> lets see if they have nice cardstock
[08:15] <awilkins> You can apply Amazon vouchers against purchases larger than their face value, can't you?
[08:15] <zmoylan-pi> i'm guessing a gift card
[08:15] <awilkins> Last time I had one I just redeemed it and it sat in my balance until I ordered something
[08:15] <Myrtti> awilkins: because a set of three gaskets and one aluminum filter for a 6 cup Bialetti Moka pot costs £5 and it qualifies for free shipping for purchases over £10
[08:16] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000KG8FT2/
[08:16] <foobarry> got a freind with prime Myrtti ?
[08:16]  * awilkins has an Aeropress
[08:16] <zmoylan-pi> if that worked wouldn't everyone just use the friend who works from home as their delivery depot? :-)
[08:17] <elfy> Myrtti: get 2 - then next time you'll not need to find something for £5
[08:17] <Myrtti> foobarry: I do, but the point about the cardstock is valid - need to send thank you cards with photos on them
[08:17] <foobarry> hey this first dates prog on c4 is fun
[08:17] <elfy> and morning everyone
[08:18] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00NPV5T66
[08:18] <foobarry> everyone needs monoculars
[08:19] <zmoylan-pi> i have a monocular with an addon that makes it a microscope too
[08:20] <zmoylan-pi> though i would like the kgb monocular... http://www.russianoptics.com/binoc1.html
[08:40] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Nat a Spetsnaz ballistic knife?
[08:41] <zmoylan-pi> spetsnaz love their shovels!! http://www.spetsnaz-gru.com/spetsnaz-entrenching-shovel-1.htm
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> mind they're not too choosy... http://galeri4.uludagsozluk.com/118/spetsnaz_159587.jpg
[08:57] <dogmatic69> ha http://i.imgur.com/p5W9J97.jpg
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> at least they're not red hat users... :-P
[08:58] <diddledan> I like that they're laughing in his face
[08:59] <diddledan> because we all know linux is a hobby os which noone takes seriously </yesterday>
[08:59] <zmoylan-pi> i'd much prefer a linux evangalist at my door than jehovahs witnesses...
[09:00] <diddledan> what about a jehovah's witless advocating linux?
[09:03] <directhex> i wouldn't like either
[09:03] <directhex> linux advocates can be some of the worst people on the internet
[09:04] <directhex> and 100% counterproductive
[09:04] <zmoylan-pi> true but they also don't leave their mothers basement and knock on your door while you try to sleep before night shift
[09:05] <davmor2> so tune in my head this morning "He's the greatest, He's fantastic, Whenever there is trouble he'll be there....."
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> dangermouse powerhouse...
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> damnit!!
[09:06] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: and now it's stuck in your head too right :D you're welcome
[09:07]  * zmoylan-pi adds davmor2 to the punishment list... forced to use ms vista after the revolution...
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Reconciliation Day! :-D
[09:14] <zmoylan-pi> i never agreed to that! :-P
[09:31] <diddledan> I think we're gonna have to differ on that
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Got some training videos for the Russian Fighting System kicking around. Very interesting. Imagine a soft-form of Kung Fu mixed with Ju-jitsu but much, much more violent.
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> And yes, what they can do with a shovel is eye-opening.
[09:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:32]  * diddledan comes over all calm, in a big way
[09:32] <diddledan> oh ello bigcalm , didn't see you there :-p
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> kinda like an average hurley match
[09:32] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[09:32]  * bigcalm goes for a shower
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: You been reading "Viz" again?
[09:33] <diddledan> hmm, what font do I need to get those to work on windows?
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: I doubt even the Russians are that crazy
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> we should offer them a game... :-P
[09:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:44] <foobarry> has anyone tried the tomb raider 1 just relaesd on android?
[09:44] <foobarry> i guess i could try and get a refund in 2hrs if the controls are unusable
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> can't you connect a bt games controller?
[09:54] <foobarry> i don't have one
[09:55] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: Global Thermo-nuclear war?
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> no thanks joshua
[10:01] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: the dead code?
[11:15] <foobarry> everyone on hols already?
[11:16] <awilkins> I wish
[11:16] <awilkins> My daughter is
[11:22] <diddledan> it's a unix system. I know this!
[11:23] <diddledan> now I wonder how a schoolgirl in the 90s had access to high-end computer hardware and software that costs many thousands
[11:23] <diddledan> (freebsd wasn't around then, I don't believe)
[11:24] <diddledan> and linux was barely born by the time the movie made it public
[11:31] <diplo> The first version of FreeBSD was released in 1993
[11:31] <diplo> :)
[11:31] <foobarry> day before christmas, the dads get to take kids to work with them
[11:31] <diplo> Sod that!
[11:32] <foobarry> cue jam on keybaord helpdesk tickets
[11:32] <foobarry> and can you install macromedia
[11:36] <diplo> When mine do have to come in I keep a old whiteboard and pens handy, they both have one and have to draw me stuff
[11:36] <diplo> :)
[12:11] <foobarry> whats the deal with tax free interest now?
[12:11] <foobarry> when does that start?
[12:11] <foobarry> so ISAs are dead now?
[12:12] <foobarry> from 04/16
[12:16] <Laney> depends how much interest you're earning
[12:17] <foobarry> £1000 a year is a lot
[12:17] <foobarry> especially on 0.3% interest rate
[12:18] <awilkins> If you're earning over £1,000 in interest, you've got at least 25 grand squirreled away (at 4%)
[12:18] <foobarry> who gets 4% !!!?!?
[12:18] <awilkins> Dunno
[12:18] <Laney> maybe not now, but it's not unheard of
[12:18] <awilkins> THe bank used to get 4% off ME for my mortgage
[12:19] <Laney> & that's not an unrealistic amount for people to have saved up over several years
[12:19] <awilkins> Why isn't there equity in that arrangement, eh?
[12:21] <foobarry> we wont see 4% for a long time
[12:21] <foobarry> and the ISA limit is now 15k per year i think
[12:21] <foobarry> so they are not dead long term
[12:22] <foobarry> but it means that i don't have to put any in for a while
[12:22] <foobarry> i got 4.25% fixed from halifax a few years ago, that just finished
[12:23] <Laney> might see isa rates go up a bit to compete with current accounts now
[12:23] <foobarry> would be nice
[12:23] <foobarry> but there seems to be some cartel
[12:23] <foobarry> whats the best rate out there atm?
[12:24] <awilkins> Bonds are probably good, if you can stuff it away for a few years
[12:24] <foobarry> and why are postal accoutns still a thing?
[12:25] <Laney> haven't looked, not sure if i have to open a new account next year or not yet
[12:25] <Laney> getting 2.5% though which is decent in this day and age
[12:25] <foobarry> secure trust bank: 7years fixed at 3.11%
[12:26] <awilkins> Agribank 5 years fixed at 3.30%
[12:27] <awilkins> Castle Trust - (first ad hit on Google, dodgy City of London geezers by the look of it) 4.5% over 5 yrears
[12:28] <foobarry> wow ads
[12:29] <foobarry> "housas"
[12:37] <foobarry> my wife wants to pay a man to lay a tiny lawn for 700£ :(
[12:38] <daftykins> how tiny?
[12:38] <foobarry> terraced london house
[12:38] <foobarry> prob 8m * 3.m
[12:38] <foobarry> or less
[12:39] <foobarry> 5m*3.5m
[12:39] <daftykins> wowzer
[12:40] <elfy> I'll do it for half that
[12:40] <foobarry> deal
[12:40] <elfy> and buy a lawnmower - bring it up on the train and still make money lol
[12:41] <foobarry> none of those magic beans
[12:41] <elfy> :)
[12:45] <foobarry> anyone used miracle grow?
[12:46] <foobarry> gotta be cheaper than this
[13:44] <diplo> I've laid a lawn that size in my house, simples.. just buy the turf... just make sure you prep the soil correctly first
[13:45] <foobarry> prep how?
[13:45] <foobarry> flatten, and sand?
[13:46] <diplo> Just de-weeding and making sure theres no big stones and then yeah flatten compact it down
[13:46] <diplo> The thing I found was that after I had laid my turf I hadn't compacted it hard enough and when the rains ( the heavy stuff! ) it dropped by 1/2 and inch or more
[14:03] <foobarry> http://www.springbridge.co.uk/products/Premium-Cultivated-Turf-per-m2-.html
[14:03] <foobarry> hmm
[14:03] <foobarry> how do you compact it? ask heavy friends to come round?
[14:04] <Myrtti> https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/16802454577/ tadah
[14:04] <Myrtti> can't see the UV sensor on the top but the flora shows from behind the decorational trim
[14:06] <diplo> Hire a pull along roller? Not sure if that's the best method though
[14:08] <foobarry> i have some timber
[14:08] <foobarry> might make a concession to wifey
[14:08] <foobarry> pay for man to lay patio, but i do the turf
[14:10] <diplo> hah that's what I did, couldn't afford both :)
[14:10] <foobarry> was the turf acceptable in the end?
[14:12] <diplo> yeah, basically the people before me put a huge patio in the centre of the garden for their child to have this huge trampoline etc, I removed all the concreate and slabs ( 4-5 skips!!!! ) and bought some soil and turf, apart from the slight dip and only I really notice that it's blended right in now
[14:13] <diplo> I did it last summer a week before the heavens opened and we had those heavy heavy rains
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> how big was the child using the trampoline??
[14:14]  * zmoylan-pi is visualising a jurassic park water tremors scenario for the neighbours...
[14:16] <diplo> Tiny! She was young, think the dad worked away a lot and compensated by spending lots on her, was 13ft maybe? and the patio had space all around it!
[15:32] <Motherland> "The link “index.theme” is broken. Move it to the Rubbish Bin?"     How to fix
[15:33] <Motherland> This link cannot be used because its target “/etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme” doesn't exist.
[15:49] <Azelphur> popey: have you done any interesting hacky things with the Hudl 2?
[15:49] <popey> nope
[15:49] <Azelphur> I'm kinda tempted to buy one since I could get one for £42 now with the offer going
[15:49] <popey> I use it
[15:50] <Azelphur> but 4.4 sounds pretty shit, and I'd kinda like to do something cool with it like put a full Linux distro on it since it has an Atom in it
[15:50] <popey> good luck
[15:50] <popey> 4.4 isnt bad
[15:50] <popey> it works.
[15:50] <popey> unsurprisingly tesco abandoned it
[15:50] <Azelphur> all my devices are 5.0 now so it'd feel weird going back
[15:50] <Azelphur> I see
[15:50] <Azelphur> yea Tesco abandoning it just makes me want to not buy it
[15:51] <popey> https://github.com/Sturmflut/sdi-ss12
[15:51] <popey> uh
[15:51] <popey> oops
[15:51] <popey> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2382075/tescos-hudl-2-tablet-doesnt-recognise-its-own-charger
[15:52] <popey> i use mine most days
[15:52] <popey> I'd like to put a linux distro on it, but it seems less than hackable.
[16:06] <davmor2> Azelphur: it's a great tablet to just use rather than tinker with
[16:07] <Azelphur> davmor2: well I already have a Nexus 7 2013
[16:07] <davmor2> Azelphur: yeah but you can put Ubuntu on that :)
[16:08] <Azelphur> davmor2: actually, I've tried and had nothing but hell putting Ubuntu on it
[16:08] <davmor2> Azelphur: Yeah back you android version back to 4.4.2 first should help you out maybe :)
[16:09] <Azelphur> yea, none of the chroot stuff works on 5.0
[16:09] <Azelphur> but I'd like native, I figured that with the intel atom native would be easy but apparently not
[16:10] <Azelphur> Been kinda tempted to buy a surface, which just makes me cringe but the hardware is what I want and I bet it'd run Xubuntu no problem
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> i'm looking at getting a pi 2 and hdmipi to add to it plus battery
[16:11] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> or even just use the pi2 and battery and wifi adapter to create an ad hoc network and ssh in from phone to full linux terminal
[16:13] <Azelphur> yea, really I'm just after a ~7" laptop lol
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> there is the pitop which is a 10" rasp pi laptop.
[16:14] <Azelphur> haha that's cute
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> or the new €150 chrome os laptops which might be able to run linux instead of chromeos
[16:15] <Azelphur> I heard a definitive no on that because they use eMMc which SeaBIOS doesn't support
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> the flip if it can be convinced to run linux would be a tablet AND a laptop
[16:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> if they build it the linux hackers will come :-D
[17:53] <davmor2> Well the caravan site is doing it's job I can already feel the stress slowly drifting away
[17:54] <elfy> feeling weightless?
[17:54] <elfy> hopefully it's not the caravan sliding over the cliff :p
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> caravan site is flooded and his caravan is drifting out to sea...
[17:56] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: that would be amazing being as I'm in shrewsbury :D
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> a mole army is carrying the caravan to the sea...
[17:57] <elfy> ha
[17:59] <zmoylan-pi> while disguised as squirrels so as not to ruin their friendly image
[18:03] <Azelphur> urgh, ordered replacement parts for my laptop, I asked them for "bottom cover" so they gave me the entire bottom of the laptop, minus the bottom cover.
[18:07] <x85_> anyone install ubuntu touch on the tesco hudl 2 ?
[18:08] <Azelphur> x85_: rofl we literally just had this conversation 5 minutes ago, answer seems to be: no you can't have nice things
[18:08] <daftykins> ;)
[18:08] <x85_> lol
[18:08] <x85_> serious?
[18:09] <Azelphur> yup
[18:09] <Myrtti> someone is struggling with the 4k display...
[18:09] <Myrtti> "all the fonts are for ANTS"
[18:09] <x85_> so no possibility of it happening ?
[18:10] <daftykins> x85_: who knows, go trawl the xda devs forum maybe
[18:10] <Azelphur> x85_: if you find anything cool to do with it let me know, I spotted the £85 hotukdeal too :P
[18:10] <x85_> le sigh
[18:14] <foobarry> what?i just bought one
[18:14] <foobarry> for big price
[18:15] <Azelphur> sucks to be you, with my clubcard points I can get one for £42 right now
[18:15] <ali1234> what's the point of it when you could just buy a nexus 7?
[18:15] <Azelphur> ali1234: I already have a Nexus 7
[18:15] <x85_> price point
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> i bought a phone for €49 and was happy till i found it for sale for €29 about 2 weeks later...
[18:16] <ali1234> why do you want a hudl then?
[18:16] <foobarry> 8.3
[18:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: I was hoping the Intel chipset would make it a little more hackable, turns out nope.
[18:17] <x85_> i thought the same
[18:17] <x85_> :(
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> fewer and fewer hackable commercial devices it seems
[18:18] <Azelphur> and now ali1234 is gonna tell us why not and ruin our dreams
[18:18] <ali1234> why would you want to hack a tablet?
[18:18] <ali1234> they literally only have one use and it is something that they already do
[18:18] <zmoylan-pi> to install a different os
[18:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: 8" device with a decent ARM chip in it to run a desktop OS would be quite cool?
[18:18] <daftykins> surely the why is not a question that often concerns modders or hackers
[18:18] <zmoylan-pi> even just to use cyanogen mod instead of android
[18:19] <x85_> not a total loss for me because i was using an IPad
[18:19] <daftykins> eww :)
[18:19] <daftykins> closed fruity tech
[18:19] <shauno> I'm still confused why people think they want a desktop OS on a tablet ;)
[18:19] <x85_> lol
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> because they can shauno
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> especially when they can't
[18:20] <Azelphur> shauno: because it's a really tiny lightweight super-long battery life laptop I can put in my pocket?
[18:20] <ali1234> "because it is relatively easy and i will get on the front page of hackaday"
[18:20] <x85_> modding most of linux stuff just turns out to be just because we can
[18:20] <ali1234> except when they find out it's not quite as easy as they thought they all give up ^
[18:20] <shauno> tablet PCs have had desktop OSes on them for a good 15-20 years.  no-one actually wanted one until they stuck a mobile OS on it
[18:21] <ali1234> shauno: preach it
[18:21] <Azelphur> shauno: tablet PCs and tablets are totally different things
[18:21] <ali1234> yes, tablets are even more unsuitable for a desktop OS because they have no keyboard
[18:21] <x85_> I'm using a MBP which I'm now punching myself in the face over because the OS is just bs
[18:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: tablet pcs are generally 4-5x  the size of a tablet
[18:21] <Azelphur> see my previous statement :P
[18:22] <Azelphur> if a tablet PC was ~7" and a few mm thick with a day+ of battery life, I'd be sold
[18:22] <daftykins> x85_: i too find OS X very yawn
[18:22] <x85_> yea
[18:22] <daftykins> and ubuntu doesn't really work quite right on them
[18:23] <shauno> I just think it's slightly ironic, since anyone who's actually tried to stab their way around the start menu on a tablet PC, would stab themselves in the eye with a stylus before trying to put a desktop OS on a mobile device
[18:23] <ali1234> yep
[18:23] <x85_> daftykins: I'm at a loss of about $2000 because i fell for the shiny
[18:23] <ali1234> "woooooo conveeeeeergence"
[18:23] <daftykins> d'aww
[18:24] <diddledan> I've got a surface pro 3, and quite like it
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> yet the psion organisers had no problems with menus with and without touchscreens
[18:24] <diddledan> specifically though I'm mostly using it as a desk-mounted laptop
[18:24] <x85_> cool
[18:24] <x85_> i do have a pi
[18:24] <Azelphur> shauno: I'd be quite happy with a tiny keyboard and a trackball/touchpad
[18:24] <Azelphur> (which are a dime a dozen now days for tablets)
[18:24] <ali1234> early psions didn't even have a touchscreen
[18:24] <ali1234> late ones needed a stylus
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> the psions keyboards allowed me to type at 40wpm while walking around stock room
[18:25] <daftykins> i still have my series 3c somewhere :D (Psion)
[18:25] <Azelphur> yea, I had a psion, keyboard was actually really good
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> early psions had no touch screen but had drop down menus that worked great with keyboard
[18:25] <x85_> can i go off topic a lil bit without being booted
[18:25] <ali1234> drop down menus don't work with touch screens which is why ubuntu has all but removed them
[18:25] <shauno> I assume they had a bespoke OS instead of a desktop OS then?
[18:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's basically what the argument boils down to though, where's our psion form factor laptop :P
[18:26] <ali1234> and windows as well for that matter, see ribbon
[18:26] <daftykins> shauno: sure did
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> but the psion 5 had touch screen and kept the drop down menus and they worked fine
[18:26] <daftykins> what was it called, EPOC or something like that?
[18:26] <ali1234> Azelphur: it's called a asus transformer book
[18:26] <shauno> x85_: everyone else does :)
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> epoc 16 for psions 3 and epoc 32 for psion 5
[18:26] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's 13 inches...
[18:26] <x85_> why does the pi 2 not run android?
[18:26] <Azelphur> psion is more like 6
[18:26] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: because it had a stylus
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> i like styluses
[18:27] <Azelphur> x85_: probably WIP
[18:27] <diddledan> x85_: because noone has ported it yet
[18:27] <x85_> ok
[18:27] <diddledan> the main sticking point is the gfx
[18:27] <x85_> will 14.10 work on the pi 2
[18:27] <diddledan> 14.10?
[18:27] <ali1234> yes
[18:28] <Azelphur> diddledan: ...ubuntu...14.10?
[18:28] <diddledan> I'd be more worried about 15.04, Azelphur
[18:28] <shauno> I think there's a few unofficial ports
[18:28] <daftykins> *sigh* at #ubuntu PMers
[18:28]  * Azelphur shrugs
[18:28] <diddledan> daftykins: teehee
[18:28] <shauno> I believe Mate have an image too
[18:29]  * diddledan hides
[18:30] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a risc os laptop with a pi2... :-D
[18:30] <x85_> i got an older ubuntu version running on pi but for some reason i want the latest
[18:30] <x85_> i can't find pre built images
[18:30]  * daftykins has a flashback to the 3 buttoned mouses on the Acorns at his secondary school
[18:31] <daftykins> man those things were pants.
[18:32] <diddledan> ubuntu on a pi? as in version 1, not 2?
[18:32] <shauno> fancy-pants southerners :/  we had bbc micros right up until tesco started doing their tokens for schools thing
[18:32] <daftykins> x85_: LTS is where it's at
[18:32] <diddledan> shauno: didn't those tokens for schools equip schools with acorns?
[18:33] <x85_> daftykins: i assume i can upgrade to 14.10 anyway?
[18:33] <shauno> linaro have a 14.10 image  (linaro 15.01 is their port of ubuntu 14.10)
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> did you have the rebadged psions the pocketbooks?
[18:34] <x85_> shauno: im not keen because the image seems to be hosted on someones personal skydrive?
[18:34] <shauno> probably.  there's no official ports
[18:35] <shauno> (there's ubuntu snappy, but not ubuntu desktop.  the two seem so wildly different no-one's even sure where to begin explaining)
[18:36] <x85_> i like rasbian but....its not (really ubuntu)
[18:36] <zmoylan-pi> it's a distro optimised for original lower spec pi.  so a lot had to go
[18:37] <x85_> wait could i not change the sources list to ubuntu's default?
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> but i quite like it.  i reckon i could now get by with pi2 as main system
[18:37]  * x85_ assumes that will break stuff
[18:38] <shauno> I think that's a safe assumption, but I couldn't articulate /why/  lol
[18:38] <daftykins> x85_: the factor of things being available or not is whether someone has compiled the ubuntu packages for the given processor, which for ubuntu, they haven't
[18:38] <daftykins> at least i think so
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> it's be like putting diesel in a petrol engine...
[18:38] <x85_> dont lol
[18:38] <shauno> I do wish ubuntu had done a proper port before muddying the waters with this snappy business
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> it'd be easier to get ballmer and stallman into same room than getting raspian to accept ubuntu repositories :-)
[18:39] <x85_> there is arch but i find that to be a lil bit daunting
[18:39] <x85_> lol zmoylan-pi
[18:39] <daftykins> i do get the feeling arch is the Linux for ricers, kinda like gentoo :P
[18:39] <diddledan> ubuntu snappy for pi is kinda like windows 10 for pi methinks
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> i think arch is for those who like to swear at their computers, at least those i know who use it seem to do it a lot :-D
[18:40] <daftykins> :>
[18:41] <x85_> so I'm guessing ima have to wait for both my hull and pi to run native ubuntu ?
[18:41] <x85_> hudi frackin autocorrect
[18:41] <x85_> l
[18:41] <x85_> argh
[18:41] <diddledan> iPad?
[18:42] <x85_> macbook
[18:42] <diddledan> aah
[18:42] <x85_> that hurts to say here
[18:42] <diddledan> hey, I'm on windows
[18:42] <x85_> oh
[18:42] <x85_> i feel better
[18:42] <diddledan> :-p
[18:42] <x85_> lolol
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> please let it be windows vista...
[18:43] <daftykins> Windows here too, SSH'd to an ubuntu VM ;)
[18:43] <diddledan> nah, 8.1
[18:43] <daftykins> (for IRC)
[18:43] <daftykins> reminds me, i've not got long left to replace these 10.04.4 VMs
[18:43] <shauno> macbook too \o/  (and shamelessly loving it)
[18:45] <diddledan> daftykins: upgrade to 15.04, via 14.10, via 14.04, via 13.10, via 13.04, via 12.10, via 12.04, via 11.10, via 11.04, via 10.10
[18:45] <x85_> really shauno i find  OS X irritating
[18:45] <daftykins> diddledan: that's not even necessary, plus i'd stick to LTS
[18:45] <daftykins> so i *could* do -> 12.04 -> 14.04
[18:45] <daftykins> except the VMs don't have the disk space :D
[18:45] <diddledan> daftykins: I don't care if it's necessary, it would be awesome to watch you go through the pain
[18:45] <daftykins> and i don't believe in upgrades
[18:46] <daftykins> diddledan: you're kinda making me tempted to try it anyway
[18:46] <diddledan> teehee
[18:46] <daftykins> not sure i'll ever be that bored, though
[18:46] <x85_> lol
[18:46] <daftykins> plus it's a huge waste on the mirrors really
[18:46] <diddledan> have you not seen the videos where windows 1.0 gets upgraded through every release to current-gen?
[18:46] <x85_> that will hurt
[18:47] <x85_> #vistawillkilleverything
[18:47] <diddledan> someone should do one for ubuntu from the very first (warty warthog?)
[18:47] <shauno> I don't do upgrades either.  I build a replacement while the old machine is still live, then migrate
[18:47] <zmoylan-pi> but has to be done in a vm as hardware that would run original win 1.0 would just confuse xp as it tried to work out why you were installing it on a calculator
[18:47] <diddledan> lol
[18:48] <diddledan> actually win1.0- will prolly work on anything with bios-compatibility
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> and that's only if you managed to snag xp on floppies to install
[18:48] <shauno> 1/2/3 are surprisingly forgiving.  they care little about hardware if dos works
[18:48] <diddledan> but vms make recording much easier, obv
[18:49] <x85_> atleast android will sorta work alongside ubuntu i.e passing notifications from your cell to your desktop
[18:51] <shauno> diddledan: random gossip re: "that other place".  it appears all the opers have thrown their toys out the pram, and left.  but left the bots running.
[18:51] <shauno> just .. yaknow .. if trainwrecks are your thing
[18:51] <diddledan> eep
[18:51]  * diddledan joins
[18:55] <daftykins> diddledan: oh your message was a notice not a PM 0o so i didn't see it 'til now ;)
[18:55] <daftykins> food time, laters \o
[18:55] <diddledan> lol
[18:55] <diddledan> I guess my hiding was in vain then
[18:56] <x85_> the linaro dl pages are confusing
[21:00] <dogmatic69_> anyone know of something similar to sphinx search with a focus on stats and analytics
[21:01] <dogmatic69_> I need something for doing reporting oh what would basically be faceted search with aggregation, avg, median and other such functions
[21:02] <dogmatic69_> handy API that can be used over http would be good, eg rest
[21:03] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: I'm currently playing with elasticsearch
[21:03] <dogmatic69_> diddledan: I have been looking at that
[21:03] <dogmatic69_> seems to be on the right track
[21:03] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: I've imported the entire irclogs.ubuntu.com archive into it :-p
[21:04] <dogmatic69_> I bascially want to insert something like date, value, key_1, key_2, key_n
[21:04] <dogmatic69_> and then do finds grouped by keys, with conditions on keys and so on. and maths done on the value
[21:04] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: I'm just now starting to work out how to actually provide a nice interface for the general population to query it
[21:04] <dogmatic69_> diddledan: did you post the link before?
[21:05] <dogmatic69_> I think I have seen that, or something similar
[21:05] <diddledan> nope, it's not public yet
[21:05] <dogmatic69_> ok, someone else posted a link with stuff here from irc
[21:05] <diddledan> there's the stats run by brobostigon (I think) at tinyurl.com/uukstat
[21:06] <diddledan> that's just for this channel tho
[21:06] <diddledan> I'm thinking more broadly
[21:07] <dogmatic69_> no, that was not the site
[21:09] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:18] <dogmatic69_> what can I delete from here http://pastebin.com/35LdazbA
[21:18] <dogmatic69_> uname says 3.13.0-41-generic
[21:18] <dogmatic69_> can I safely delete anything below 41?
[21:20] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: apt-get autoremove should clear out old kernels
[21:20] <dogmatic69_> oh
[21:20] <dogmatic69_> so simple :)
[21:21] <diddledan> I think that's been improved lately
[21:21] <dogmatic69_> ok
[21:21] <dogmatic69_> I am sure it never used to
[21:21] <dogmatic69_> I get an error though
[21:21] <diddledan> I seem to recall that someone mentioned that kernels are getting removed by new upgrades with no intervention
[21:21] <dogmatic69_> nice
[21:22] <dogmatic69_> I have tried resizing /boot
[21:22] <dogmatic69_> its just a vm
[21:22] <dogmatic69_> failed
[21:22] <diddledan> you prolly want `sudo`
[21:22] <dogmatic69_> I did sudo, its half installed a new kernel and bombed out.
[21:23] <diddledan> eww
[21:23]  * dogmatic69_ hopes second time lucky
[21:24] <dogmatic69_> :/ this is after a bunch more text http://pastebin.com/h8ia7RVH
[21:27] <diddledan> yeah, you'll need to clear out some of the oldest ones to allow it to proceed to uninstall those older ones
[21:27] <diddledan> catch-22
[21:28] <dogmatic69_> lol
[21:29] <dogmatic69_> just delete all the 30ish ones
[21:38] <dogmatic69_> bit of a mess, but seems to be sorted now. thanks diddledan
[21:38] <diddledan> \o/
[23:43] <ali1234> this is a funny bug
[23:44] <ali1234> deleting browser history in firefox makes firefox use 100% CPU and places.sqlite-wal grow at about 200mb/minute
[23:45] <daftykins> :S
[23:45] <daftykins> v37?
[23:46] <ali1234> no, v36
[23:59] <Azelphur> I've noticed Firefox performance issues too, I tried uninstalling flash and grabbing chrome for the occasions I still need it