[08:51] <slickymasterWork> knome, ping
[08:52] <ochosi> elfy: just a quick heads up question: have any critical issues come up since i've been afk?
[08:52] <ochosi> or to rephrase that, if any come up, please ping me!
[08:52] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi 
[08:53] <ochosi> hi and bye slickymasterWork :)
[08:53] <slickymasterWork> bye ochosi ;)
[08:54] <elfy> ochosi: nope and I would ofc 
[08:54] <elfy> off now - cya 
[08:54] <ochosi> well, that's good to hear (the prior more than the latter even :))
[09:13] <knome> slickymasterWork, pong
[09:24] <slickymasterWork> first of all, good morning
[09:25] <slickymasterWork> secondly, I'm going to forward you an email I received
[09:25] <slickymasterWork> sent knome 
[09:25] <slickymasterWork> is it related to the website?
[09:26]  * knome looks
[09:27] <knome> no
[09:27] <knome> it's related to wordpress.com
[09:28] <slickymasterWork> the only accounts I have wordpress related are the -xub website and the FC blog
[09:28] <knome> that's weird
[09:28] <slickymasterWork> very weird
[09:28] <knome> maybe you should reset the pass and delete the account
[09:29] <knome> or sth - you clearly have an account
[09:29] <slickymasterWork> the  website account?
[09:29] <knome> the wordpress.com account
[09:29] <slickymasterWork> but I don't hane one :P
[09:29] <slickymasterWork> * have even
[09:30] <knome> wordpress.com is a service provided by the wordpress developers that provides the wordpress platform
[09:30] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I know that.
[09:30] <knome> well the email is valid - it does redirect you to wordpress.com
[09:31] <knome> maybe you've created an account to comment on some blog or sth?
[09:32] <slickymasterWork> I'm starting to think that it's probably phishing knome 
[09:32] <knome> no, as i said, the mail is valid
[09:32] <knome> it does redirect to wordpress.com
[09:33] <slickymasterWork> I'm almost sure that I never had, or created, a wordpress account
[09:33] <slickymasterWork> anyway, going to reset it and delete the account
[09:33] <knome> i guess then don't mind the message:P
[09:33] <slickymasterWork> ok
[09:34] <knome> you probably get a message saying the key doesn't exist
[09:34] <knome> because i followed that link once
[09:34] <knome> :P
[09:34] <knome> so you need to ask to reset your pass again
[09:34] <slickymasterWork> ok, thanks for the heads up
[09:35] <knome> np. hope you solve the mystery
[09:35] <Unit193> And if not, rm -rf
[09:36] <knome> was the slickymaster in forum council an april fools joke? ;P
[09:37] <Unit193> Yes, nobody is crazy enough to put him in.
[09:38] <knome> yep.
[09:43] <slickymasterWork> apparently everyone went cuckoo at the FC, Unit193 
[09:44] <knome> that can't be true
[09:44] <slickymasterWork> they put me there knome.!!
[09:44] <knome> there is no way elfy could have "went" cuckoo
[09:44] <knome> he is already...
[09:45] <slickymasterWork> yeah
[09:46] <slickymasterWork> btw knome, did you get any conclusions on an alternative to your doubt with https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/xubuntu-docs/patches/+merge/254485
[09:46] <knome> no, my brain has been unable to process that information :P
[09:46] <slickymasterWork> lol
[09:47] <slickymasterWork> glad to know I'm not the only one with a need for an occasional reboot
[09:47] <slickymasterWork> :P
[09:47] <knome> i still think it's a bad thing language-wise for some languages
[09:48] <slickymasterWork> the way I see it knome, if it passes the Finnish test, the it will pass all others
[09:48] <knome> this would be different if we did this from the beginning
[09:48] <knome> so we could have given people instructions
[09:48]  * slickymasterWork doesn't recall another idion wit so many letters per word
[09:48] <slickymasterWork> * idiom
[09:48] <knome> "note that the cross reference prints the chapter name as is"
[09:49] <slickymasterWork> yes
[09:49] <slickymasterWork> did you get to check a trial test of a translated finnish version with this new approach knome ?
[09:50] <knome> yeah, i checked that back then
[09:50] <knome> and it didn't convince me for this particular reason
[09:50] <Unit193> I only had a minor nitpick, and IMO we should get this in soon.
[09:50] <knome> Unit193, like for 15.04?
[09:51] <knome> now here's the thing
[09:51] <knome> the reason i think this is a problem isn't that "you can't make the finnish version look fluent with this solution"
[09:52] <knome> it's "the current finnish translation doesn't work with this solution"
[09:52] <knome> so it would mean i (or somebody else) would have to see every place where cross references are
[09:52] <knome> to see if they read fluent or not
[09:52] <knome> and change as appropriate
[09:52] <knome> and i would imagine it would mean a change in most of the places
[09:53] <Unit193> Considering x-d-s has already been updated and pushed for it?
[09:54] <knome> are we talking about the same thing?
[09:54] <knome> oh right, you are talking about the other parts of the MP
[09:54] <Unit193> And, the English part of that looks crappy. :P
[09:54] <knome> i have no problems with that.
[09:54] <knome> english part of what?
[10:37] <bluesabre> assuming google doesn't lie to me... happy birthday lderan !
[10:37] <slickymasterWork> \o/ congrats lderan 
[10:37]  * knome plays a little birthday fanfare for lderan 
[10:42] <elfy> hippy burpday lderan 
[10:42] <knome> hah
[10:42] <knome> ;)
[10:46] <bluesabre> thoughts about the updated description here? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev
[10:47] <elfy> the only thing I take issue with is the sudden appearance everywhere of 
[10:47] <elfy> perpetually
[10:48] <elfy> or do other people use a different meaning to me ;)
[10:48] <knome> propose an alternative
[10:48] <slickymasterWork> elfy, take it like a marriage 
[10:49] <elfy> This team is moderated; only users who have been approved by the Xubuntu Technical Lead will be approved to the team.
[10:49] <knome> elfy, when are people approved by the xubuntu technical lead?
[10:50] <elfy> no idea 
[10:50] <elfy> I've never asked
[10:51] <knome> ...when they have contributed perpetually?
[10:51] <elfy> perpetual - occurring repeatedly; so frequent as to seem endless and uninterrupted.
[10:51] <elfy> it's just the wrong word :)
[10:52] <Unit193> ^
[10:52] <elfy> if I had QA team only having perpetually contributing people - it would be empty
[10:52] <knome> i was asking for an alternative word proposal :)
[10:52] <knome> sustainably?
[10:52] <elfy> ok - so I am asking why there is a need for a word anyway? 
[10:52] <knome> persistently?
[10:53] <elfy> nope - I only asked once :d
[10:53] <knome> because if you say "only approved people will be approved" it means nothing
[10:53] <elfy> then lose the whole thing :D
[10:53] <knome> well,
[10:53] <knome> the history of this clause is that people keeped trying to join the teams
[10:53] <knome> this cuts the amount of people at least a bit
[10:55] <Unit193> sustained and high quality. :P
[10:55] <knome> Unit193, we'll have to drop you from some of the teams then...
[10:55] <knome> :P
[10:56] <Unit193> That's alrighty. :P
[10:56] <knome> (just kidding for all the log readers who don't understand jokes)
[10:56]  * Unit193 waves to krytarik.
[10:56] <elfy> if the reason for having stuff in LP is because people don't read other things - then it's just never ending
[10:57] <Unit193> This is the song that never ends...
[10:58] <elfy> perhaps the link should be to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Team
[10:58] <knome> elfy, maybe, but then that explains why you aren't allowed in the team, not how you can contribute to become part of the team
[10:58] <elfy> because that's the rule book
[10:58] <knome> (like the current link target does)
[10:59] <elfy> really don't care - just don't expect me to say perpetually to anyone as that's just wrong 
[10:59] <knome> lol
[10:59] <knome> i'm fine with changing the word
[11:00] <knome> so what if
[11:00] <knome> instead of putting the descriptions everywhere
[11:00] <elfy> and this just goes back to the difference between some of us thinking that LP is NOT the place for stories
[11:00] <knome> we worked on the description in one place - the pad
[11:00] <Unit193> continually|sustained|continued|foopermania
[11:00] <knome> to get it in good shape before we land it
[11:01] <knome> to allow feedback and all
[11:01] <knome> which was the original idea...
[11:01] <elfy> sustained is closer for sure - but we expect people to sustain for 6 months 
[11:01] <elfy> and THAT is not anywhere near perpetual :p
[11:01] <Unit193> Nooope.
[11:01] <Unit193> "For as long as the project existed, and until it ends?"
[11:03] <bluesabre> Only those with sustained contributions and are approved by the XTL will be added to the team ?
[11:03] <elfy> that works 
[11:03] <knome> bluesabre, that's beating it to death
[11:03] <Unit193> I don't see the cookies, only those that bring me cookies win.
[11:03] <knome> bluesabre, the approval will happen once there are sustained contributions...
[11:03] <Unit193> But otherwise it looks good.
[11:03] <bluesabre> with a rubber mallet
[11:04] <bluesabre> unless the current XTL is insecure about giving them upload rights to the PPAs, code :)
[11:05] <elfy> I still have no idea why there's this need to be changing things everywhere 
[11:05] <knome> elfy, consistency
[11:06] <elfy> with what?
[11:06] <knome> within the descriptions
[11:06] <bluesabre> I somewhat triggered it.  The previous description for this team was a bit inaccurate, so I mentioned it to knome that it didn't align with the SD
[11:06] <elfy> well - given that I've got my feet firmly stuck - the consistency isn't going to be very consistent 
[11:07] <elfy> bluesabre: that's fair enough - I can understand a need to deal with that 
[11:07] <elfy> but I'm now blaming you for everyone else having to get involved :D
[11:07] <bluesabre> :'(
[11:08] <Unit193> Can't we just blame bluesabre anyway?
[11:08] <knome> elfy, well you didn't have to get involved... ochosi could have changed the description for you :P
[11:08] <elfy> but it's ok - I know you care :p
[11:08] <elfy> knome: and I'd have changed it back 
[11:08] <knome> :P
[11:08] <knome> because?
[11:08] <bluesabre> I'll take blame, won't cry over it
[11:08] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[11:09] <knome> i don't know why this ever became such a big thing, it's a few words in the internet...
[11:09] <elfy> :)
[11:09] <elfy> because LP is not the place for stories 
[11:09] <knome> but it's not even a short story :(
[11:09] <Unit193> Can't we all just agree with bluesabre now?
[11:09] <knome> or a poem?
[11:09] <knome> -?
[11:09] <knome> Unit193, no?
[11:11] <slickymasterWork> ftr I don't agree with Unit193's cookies policy :P
[11:11]  * slickymasterWork doesn't like sweets
[11:11] <elfy> mmm
[11:11] <elfy> I need to leave https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team
[11:11] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: Nono, they only have to bring them to me.
[11:11] <Unit193> elfy: Why?
[11:11] <elfy> I only turned up a while ago - and I'm not doing stuff all the time 
[11:12] <slickymasterWork> well, if it's like, then I won't mind
[11:12] <elfy> Unit193: because it says 'perpetually' 
[11:12] <elfy> :)
[11:12] <bluesabre> I'm also not a fan of the word 'perpetually'
[11:13] <elfy> sustainable contributions is what we want, what we expect - so should probably be what we say 
[11:13] <Unit193> ^
[11:13] <knome> "Only people with sustained contributions to the team will be considered for approval."
[11:13] <bluesabre> right
[11:13] <Unit193> left!
[11:13] <bluesabre> that sounds good
[11:13] <knome> bluesabre, please update the pad as you go too, so we have it tracked
[11:13] <bluesabre> down!
[11:13] <elfy> yep - agreed - that's also the truth 
[11:14] <elfy> don't leave me with the centre :(
[11:14] <knome> elfy, you can take up
[11:14] <elfy> fishing !!!
[11:14] <elfy> I'll take up fishing 
[11:14] <knome> :D
[11:14] <bluesabre> :D
[11:17] <elfy> I can agree with the sustained contributions sentence 
[11:18] <elfy> and I've not got a big problem with LP descs making sense either - as long as they're succinct
[11:22] <knome> mhm
[11:22] <knome> i got to run
[11:22] <knome> bbl
[21:38] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Nearly a week has passed for xfburn with no changes, popping one up for you now.
[21:38] <elfy> noooooo
[21:38] <elfy> it failed last time I had hardware :p
[21:38] <knome> elfy, "noo, meetingology is back" ?
[21:38] <knome> :P
[21:38] <elfy> woohoo
[21:38] <elfy> ?working? 
[21:38] <knome> can't be.
[21:38] <elfy> #seemsso
[21:39] <Unit193> !netsplit
[21:46] <Unit193> ERROR: files left after uninstall:
[21:46] <Unit193> ./share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
[21:46] <Unit193> Makefile:823: recipe for target 'distuninstallcheck' failed