[00:00] <dazdaryl> I'm going with the 14.04 LTS
[00:00] <mrkramps> swap is a bit more tricky … with 24GB RAM and no suspend to disk you could even dare to run linux w/o swap at all
[00:00] <dazdaryl> yeah i just read that mrkramps
[00:00] <mrkramps> and if it does not work w/o swap you may add a swap file at any time
[00:01] <dazdaryl> ~ i really liked arch
[00:01] <dazdaryl> but after not using it for 8months
[00:01] <dazdaryl> go back and the rolling release is so out of date that it wont work
[00:01] <knome> Enkidu_ak, i don't know for fact, but you can do this and that with it
[00:02] <dazdaryl> are you a gamer mrkramps?
[00:02] <mrkramps> dazdaryl, no really
[00:02] <mrkramps> *not
[00:02] <knome> dazdaryl, mrkramps: we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. welcome! :)
[00:02] <mrkramps> knome, good to know, thx
[00:03] <dazdaryl> ok
[00:05] <dazdaryl> well the thing I liked about arch was that it always had the latest of everything, so i suppose on xubuntu i will have to compile everything myself if I want the latest?
[00:05] <dazdaryl> because I need the latest versions of blender, gimp and krita
[00:06] <mrkramps> blender is not an issue, because it comes in a pre-compiled archive
[00:06] <dazdaryl> true
[00:06] <mrkramps> gimp and krita latest needs manual compilation or - if available - a PPA
[00:07] <dazdaryl> yeah, is there a way to automate that from GIT?
[00:07] <dazdaryl> probably could just write my own script to do that
[00:08] <mrkramps> yes, script will do the trick
[00:11] <mrkramps> cronjob may be helpful as well
[00:11] <dazdaryl> ahhhh FANTASTIC
[00:12] <dazdaryl> every thing went well no problem
[00:12] <dazdaryl> just overwrite my old manjaro
[00:12] <dazdaryl> all good
[00:12] <dazdaryl> windows and xubuntu both good
[00:12] <mrkramps> glad to hear that
[00:13] <dazdaryl> what I really look forward to is using a decent search function again
[00:13] <dazdaryl> and multiple tabs in the file browser
[00:13] <dazdaryl> a real terminal :)
[00:15] <dazdaryl> do you usually use aptitude or do you generally compile things yourself?
[00:16] <mrkramps> no aptitude, apt-get is the default tool, and I do both
[00:16] <knome> dazdaryl, i kind of pointed you to the offtopic channel because that's where the non-support discussions should generally fall into
[00:18] <dazdaryl> sorry knome, I knew games was off-topic but i thought discussions about package management and apt-get was on-topic
[00:18] <knome> dazdaryl, i guess it's a fine line, but general discussion that is not a support question is always welcome in offtopic
[00:33] <dazdaryl> ok so I'm trying to setup my "start menu"
[00:34] <dazdaryl> or my whisker menu to be specific
[00:34] <dazdaryl> and i want to change the terminal emulator link to xfce4-terminal
[00:34] <mrkramps> it should be xfce4-terminal by default
[00:35] <dazdaryl> nah it wasn't but i got it
[00:36] <mrkramps> you can set default terminal in Preferred Applications → Utilities
[00:37] <mrkramps> or global with: sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
[00:37] <dazdaryl> yeah i got that one thanks kramps
[00:37] <dazdaryl> now i want to make it drop down from the top
[00:37] <dazdaryl> i've done it before
[00:37] <dazdaryl> like guake does
[00:40] <mrkramps> don't think it can be done with xfce4-terminal … just install guake, tilda or yakuake
[00:41] <mrkramps> ah, sorry … i am wrong
[00:42] <Unit193> --drop-down
[00:49] <dazdaryl> cool thx
[01:00] <dazdaryl> is there a way to check the version of something with apt-cache PACKAGE? or apt-get
[01:01] <dazdaryl> oh sorry nvm
[01:01] <dazdaryl> xubuntu allready ahs
[01:01] <dazdaryl> has
[01:01] <holstein> synaptic is a handy GUI package manager..
[01:01] <holstein> !info synaptic
[01:10] <dazdaryl> where do i change the color of window borders?
[01:10] <holstein> dazdaryl: see if the theme manager does what you are looking for
[01:24] <Unit193> Window Manager has them.
[01:33] <dazdaryl>   hmm my drop-down terminal lets me move it
[01:33] <dazdaryl> and i dont want that
[01:33] <dazdaryl> as if it was anormal window
[01:34] <Trinity> I've been trying to log in to my desktop computer but xubuntu is freezing at the loading portion. the loading circle isn't moving. Keyboard numlock does work
[01:34] <Trinity> I tried rebooting from a live usb drive but same issue
[01:34] <Trinity> any help?
[01:34] <dazdaryl> well i can just turn off show menubar then
[01:35] <dazdaryl> sounds pretty strange trinity
[01:35] <holstein> Trinity: try booting the older kernel in the grub menu
[01:38] <Trinity> holstein, same issue
[01:38] <Trinity> is my ssd fried?
[01:38] <holstein> Trinity: i dont know.. if it is, you wont "fix" it with software..
[01:38] <Trinity> holstein, any way to check?
[01:38] <Unit193> !xhangs
[01:39] <holstein> Trinity: if you think it is, i would test that.. i would load a live iso and run a test.. otherwise, i try and get into the recovery kernel
[01:39] <Unit193> Trinity: Check syslog and dmesg?
[01:39] <Trinity> holstein, i can't run a live iso, that hangs too
[01:39] <holstein> Trinity: then, it sounds like you have bad hardware
[01:39] <holstein> maybe bad ram.. etc..
[01:40] <Trinity> tested ram
[01:40] <Unit193> That doesn't sound good.
[01:40] <holstein> Trinity: how? what boots for you to test ram?
[01:40] <holstein> anyways, i would not try and fix xubuntu if *nothing* boots.. i would look at my hardware
[01:40] <Trinity> i was running a unstable data scraper before this happened
[01:40] <Trinity> holstein, if i press esc before boot it direts me to grub
[01:41] <Trinity> which I can go to shell
[01:41] <Trinity> through recovery
[01:41] <holstein> Trinity: cool.. and running the rm command above from there? what happens?
[01:41] <holstein> looking at the logs from there that Unit193 suggested..
[01:50] <Trinity> holstein, i just copied the syslog over
[01:50] <Trinity> and the new syslog doesnt log that error
[01:50] <holstein> Trinity: over what?
[01:50] <Trinity> backed it up*
[01:50] <Trinity> te new syslog only shows me going to recovery shell
[01:50] <holstein> cool.. if its my machine, i get *something* booting on it
[01:51] <holstein> you say, live iso's dont boot, i want to know why.. and i want to see one running on it..
[01:51] <Trinity> ?
[01:51] <Trinity> ok ill try
[01:51] <holstein> 21:38 < ubottu> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm .{X,ICE}authority
[01:51] <holstein> im assuming you already tried that ^
[01:51] <DazPetty> so it it called zoo-buntu or shoe-buntu?
[01:51] <Trinity> yea
[01:52] <DazPetty> because I say shoe for xubuntu
[01:52] <holstein> say what you like.. most say "zubuntu", or "ex-ubuntu".. its basically xfce + ubuntu.. if you feel "shoe" somehow fits that, and you want to say it, im sure you wont get a fine in the mail..
[01:53] <Unit193> Technically 'zoo-buntu' is correct.
[01:53] <holstein> i say zubuntu
[01:57] <Trinity> holstein, not sure if it helps but heres something i found rsyslogd-2039: could no open output pipe '/dev/xconsole': No such file or directory
[01:58] <holstein> Trinity: it really wouldnt help me, *if* i cant boot a live iso.. if its a "known good" live iso, that i *know* boots on my hardware, and my hardware supports, then, i konw its a problem with the hardware, not the installed OS
[01:59] <Trinity> holstein, will a live usb boot if i remove all hdd drives?
[01:59] <DazPetty> i suppose I don't need to get a ppa for steam because it will update automaticle
[02:00] <holstein> Trinity: thats the question.. and why would you need to remove the hard drives? i mean, you booted *some* live environment to install the os, correct? the hard drive would have been in then
[02:00] <holstein> !steam
[02:00] <holstein> DazPetty: i thought steam was in the partner repo.. but, i have added the .deb from steam, in the past
[02:10] <DazPetty> far out it's the first day and it looks like its going to break fml
[02:10] <DazPetty> all i want is steam
[02:10] <DazPetty> and updated versions of software
[02:10] <DazPetty> having this prob
[02:10] <DazPetty> http://askubuntu.com/questions/402066/steam-needs-libgl1-mesa-drii386-libgl1-mesa-glxi386
[02:10] <holstein> DazPetty: steam supports ubuntu
[02:11] <holstein> anyways, you can add whatever PPA they suggest.. thats what i did..
[02:11] <DazPetty> yeah this turd says i need to kill the ppas cos they are not "multiarch"
[02:11] <holstein> DazPetty: that "question" is about 13.10
[02:11] <DazPetty> well it's the same problem
[02:11] <holstein> DazPetty: is it?
[02:11] <holstein> DazPetty: what problem are you having?
[02:13] <DazPetty> farrrk
[02:14] <DazPetty> that just destroyed everything
[02:14] <holstein> DazPetty: what just destroyed what?
[02:14] <holstein> !info steam
[02:14] <DazPetty> well krita which i just installed is gone
[02:14] <DazPetty> the software center is gone fsr
[02:14] <holstein> DazPetty: it should be as simple as "sudo apt-get install steam", or use the package manager of your choise
[02:15] <holstein> choice*
[02:16] <holstein> i suggested synaptic earlier, as a GUI package manager.. maybe you missed that..
[02:16] <holstein> i think its handier than the software center at finding versions.. etc
[02:22] <DazDaryl> wpw
[02:22] <DazDaryl> wow
[02:23] <DazDaryl> not even a day in and it just breaks
[02:23] <DazDaryl> probably because I tried upgrading the XFCE version from a ppa
[02:23] <holstein> !ppa
[02:23] <holstein> DazDaryl: if you dont need a ppa, and you dont, dont use one
[02:23] <DazDaryl> and that just caused everything to fall like a pack of cards
[02:23] <DazDaryl> I just thought it would be nice to have the newer version
[02:23] <holstein> DazDaryl: if you want a "stable" os, use the supported packages, until you find you need something a ppa facilitates..
[02:24] <DazDaryl> allthough I wont know that that was the problem untill I reinstall everything
[02:24] <DazDaryl> yeah well i wont be playing games with the desktop environment
[02:24] <DazDaryl> what is xfce/kde called? the type of program?
[02:25] <DazDaryl> anyway its changing that desktop/window manager that's killed my every other time
[02:25] <holstein> you said it was the desktop environment
[02:25] <holstein> DazDaryl: are you coming from windows?
[02:25] <DazDaryl> yeah mostly
[02:26] <DazDaryl> I've used ubuntu for about 6 months a year ago and arch for another 9 months or so
[02:26] <holstein> if so try using xubuntu as you did windows.. think about how long you used it "as-is".. and how long til you installed *any* "beta" software,... for example, never adding any experiemental GUI packages
[02:26] <holstein> think about getting aquanted with it, and plan for failure
[02:26] <holstein> test with the live iso's as much as possible.. run a version in VM that you "break" first..
[02:27] <DazDaryl> well i guess the ppa are not as well supported as the official repositories on arch are
[02:27] <holstein> DazDaryl: no.. they are, as stated above *not* supported in any way
[02:27] <holstein> they are unofficial, and you click through a warning to install them
[02:29] <DazDaryl> well in some cases like krita I NEED to use the ppda
[02:30] <DazDaryl> *ppa
[02:30] <DazDaryl> I cant do graphics and game dev on shitty old software
[02:30] <DazDaryl> which was why I always hated ubuntu
[02:30] <holstein> DazDaryl: sure, but, you are always welcome to maintain your own PPA, or build what you need from scratch
[02:30] <holstein> !language
[02:31] <holstein> if you need the "latest", you may need a rolling release.. which has its own pros and cons
[03:33] <benjamin__> i love to use xubuntu.
[03:44] <DazDaryl> hmm
[03:44] <DazDaryl> got it going again
[08:03] <DazPetty> is there a way to make a specific window imune to alt+click drag?
[08:37] <ochosi> DazPetty: nope
[08:56] <Munto_> hello guys
[08:56] <slickymasterWork> !hi
[08:57] <Munto_> since my last upgrade to xubuntu 14.10, each time I restart my computer all the icons of the desktop are automatically reorganized
[08:57] <Munto_> did you encounter this behaviour ?
[08:58] <Munto_> (I like to regroup some kind of files on my desktop)
[08:58] <slickymasterWork> I haven't Munto_, but did you already saw this -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/558391/xubuntu-14-10-desktop-icons-disordered
[08:59] <Munto_> oh, it's not me but it looks like the same issue
[08:59] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[08:59] <Munto_> unfortunately there is no answer :(
[09:05] <Munto_> I found a beginning of help
[09:05] <Munto_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2232021&s=5779297ecc0db0f16fcabd2e003f7256&p=13100157#post13100157
[09:07] <slickymasterWork> great Munto_
[09:07] <slickymasterWork> good luck
[09:07] <DazPetty> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:07] <DazPetty> wtf is this all about
[09:08] <slickymasterWork> DazPetty, please be careful with the language used in the channel
[09:15] <DazPetty> f is for fruit
[09:15] <DazPetty> so does anyone know about broken packages?
[09:17] <knome> DazPetty, you have been noticed about the language once before, so please clean your mouth
[09:17] <knome> DazPetty, i've sent you some links in PM via ubottu for reading.
[09:20] <DazPetty> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:41] <Munto_> thanks for your help
[09:41] <Munto_> bb
[11:34] <knob> Good morning everyone!  o/
[12:24] <pjotter> I have a peculiar bug in Xubuntu. When you click on a panel-item, most of them will have a popupwindow. This window is aligned to the edge of the panel. But in some applications, when the information in the popup is updated and the menu gets longer or shorter, the popup is not aligned to the panel anymore. Sometimes this causes the popupmenu to overlap the panel and sometimes this causes the popup to hover above the panel.
[12:24] <pjotter> Does anybody know of this is an issue with xfce or with the application in question?
[12:26] <pjotter> I found this to be the case with the network-icon. So for example, when the list of wifi connections is updated, the popup is misaligned.
[12:31] <pjotter> back again
[12:39] <pjotter> Xfce misaligns resized menu's on the panel.
[14:51] <gjgarza> hi, after installing xubuntu besides Win7 I can't start Win7 anymore. Is there anything I can try besides trying to recover with the Win7 boot cd?
[15:28] <LGFDGFS> Hi,
[15:28] <LGFDGFS> Spanish? Anyone?
[15:29] <drc> !es| LGFDGFS
[18:43] <silidan> hi, when i open the filemanager in xubuntu i can see my harddrives listed under devices, clicking on them mounts them and opens them, so far so good, BUT the permissions on the files and folders set for ntfs drives arent correct (i need executable bit set) where is the configuration file/ option hidden for this feature?
[19:00] <brainvvash> silidan, maybe this bug 1153781
[19:03] <m3n3chm0> dear all guys, i'm using firefox 37 and Xubuntu 14.04 since this FF version when i receive a message from whatsapp web Firefox crash and closed :(
[19:21] <crank_xubuntu> er der hul igennem?
[19:22] <bekks> !dk | crank_xubuntu
[19:23] <crank_xubuntu> tnx bekks
[19:28] <crank_xubuntu> other channels relevant?
[23:51] <DazPetty> can i just create conf files in the xorg.conf.d directory and they will automaticly load?
[23:52] <mrkramps> DazPetty, if syntax is correct you only have to take care of the numbering
[23:52] <DazPetty> ok, so it has 10-evdev and 11 something there
[23:53] <mrkramps> the number prefix depends on when you want this config to be loaded
[23:53] <DazPetty> ah
[23:53] <mrkramps> so 10 is first then 11
[23:54] <DazPetty> but otherwise they all run together, as if this was the old xorg.conf file itself
[23:54] <DazPetty> or it on concatonates them?
[23:55] <mrkramps> yes, the configs in xorg.conf.d are pretty much like the old xorg.conf
[23:57] <DazPetty> hmm I have a razor keyboard and mouse
[23:57] <DazPetty> I'm trying to get it to work
[23:57] <DazPetty> ~ well it works most of the time
[23:57] <DazPetty> but sometimes I start my comp and have no keyboard or mouse
[23:58] <DazPetty> it picks it up as a "Razer USA, Ltd" in lsusb