[13:46] <lazyPower> Mornin UI Engineering team
[13:50] <rick_h_> morn
[13:50] <rick_h_> and good form on the title :)
[13:52] <rick_h_> lazyPower: actually can you help me with the openstack bundle today sometime?
[13:58] <lazyPower> rick_h_: i'm working on deploying that now in canonistack
[13:58] <lazyPower> rick_h_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-quickstart/+bug/1440069
[13:58] <mup> Bug #1440069: Quickstart fails consistently with canonistack <juju-quickstart:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440069>
[13:59] <lazyPower> minor bump in the road
[13:59] <rick_h_> lazyPower: :( ok will get that looked at but will probably be after the release we're preparing for next monday
[13:59] <lazyPower> rick_h_: i'm not stressed over it - deployer is working for now
[13:59] <rick_h_> lazyPower: k, I think it's an easy hack to just mark the fields as not required but will have to dbl check
[14:00] <frankban> lazyPower: so region and tenant are considered non-optional by quickstart, perhaps they were mandatory in juju before. the fix for that is trivial
[14:01] <frankban> lazyPower: this is similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-quickstart/+bug/1437451
[14:01] <mup> Bug #1437451: quickstart fails on openstack with use-floating-ip missing <landscape> <juju-quickstart:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437451>
[14:01] <lazyPower> ah, yes it is.
[14:01] <rick_h_> frankban: yea, I was going to mark lazyPower's a dupe of that one and copy in the data to make it one bug
[14:01] <frankban> rick_h_: cool thanks
[14:02] <frankban> lazyPower: as mentioned, the fix for that is really easy (in quickstart/models/envs.py iirc)
[14:02] <rick_h_> frankban: will line it up in maint high for a quick update right after the release is rolling and we're set for things there
[14:03] <lazyPower> rick_h_: so yinz are rolling another release today after the big roll out of apiv4 yesterday?
[14:03] <rick_h_> lazyPower: that was just the gui release
[14:03] <rick_h_> lazyPower: monday we'll be doing the whole jujucharms stack updtes
[14:06] <rick_h_> release week! or weeks
[14:06] <rick_h_> I guess
[14:07] <rick_h_> lazyPower: so merged your bug over to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-quickstart/+bug/1437451 for tracking purposes
[14:07] <mup> Bug #1437451: quickstart fails on openstack with use-floating-ip missing <landscape> <juju-quickstart:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437451>
[14:07] <lazyPower> ack, i'll track that one
[14:07] <rick_h_> ty for the report 
[14:08] <rick_h_> we don't try things on canonistack a ton on our end 
[14:08] <lazyPower> honestly i dont either
[14:08] <lazyPower> today is the first in many months
[14:13] <lazyPower> rick_h_: confirmation on your email - i can help with this.
[14:13] <lazyPower> let me wrap up my pod standup and i'll reach out. do you need this sooner rather than later?
[14:14] <rick_h_> lazyPower: we can update the url in our codebase today but need it there before the release hits or we'll have broken new urls
[14:14] <rick_h_> lazyPower: so today or monday would be great, might be able to go to tues thb
[14:14] <rick_h_> tbh
[14:14] <lazyPower> ack
[14:17] <marcoceppi_> so
[14:17] <marcoceppi_> can we package libmacaroons0, python-macaroons and libsodum13 (and python-theblues) in ppa:juju/stable ?
[14:17] <marcoceppi_> otherwise I can't update charm-tools, amulet, etc
[14:18] <marcoceppi_> this also is a real damper on this for charm-tools on OSX and Windows
[14:18] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: yea, the deb packaging is on our todo list but we've not added those yet
[14:18] <jrwren> we have all of those.
[14:18] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: because of the compiled builds?
[14:18] <jrwren> they are in our ppa
[14:18] <rick_h_> jrwren: we packaged theblues python library ?
[14:18] <marcoceppi_> right, query is to put them in ppa:juju/stable
[14:18]  * rick_h_ looks
[14:19] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: yes, we'll get them there. 
[14:19] <jrwren> rick_h_: oh, maybe not python-theblues. I missed the parenthesized package.
[14:19] <marcoceppi_> rick_h_: well "pip install charm-tools" won't work on Windows as it does now
[14:19] <rick_h_> jrwren: right, we've got packaging to do on the python lib that we've not done yet. We're trying to get folks what we have early vs waiting until it's all done and getting them less time
[14:19] <marcoceppi_> because macaroons I assume
[14:19] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: right, it's based on a wrapper for C macaroons lib
[14:20] <jrwren> sounds like a good good friday task :)
[14:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: we'll have to look into what we can do on that end. 
[14:20] <marcoceppi_> so windows isn't that hard I guess, I'll just throw it in the MSI
[14:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, well release prep is already our friday task :)
[14:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: feel free to file bugs on the issue tracker for whatever you need and we'll work to get them addressed as we can
[14:20] <marcoceppi_> I'll see what we can do with OSX, it's sad this breaks pip installability for any tool using the API
[14:21] <marcoceppi_> rick_h_: sure, but wanted to discuss. Are macaroons really required for anonymous access to CS?
[14:21] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: not for anonymous access but as we move to acls and such it'll be required for much of things coming down the pipe
[14:21] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: and it'll be required to upload charms
[14:21] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: to auth who you are and to upload new versions of your charm/bundle/etc
[14:22] <marcoceppi_> damn
[14:22] <marcoceppi_> okay
[14:22] <marcoceppi_> good to know
[14:23] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: happy to help work on solutions there including providing builds/etc for whatever we need. much like we have juju osx builds we can head that route
[14:23] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: and can help do things like brew-install-able?
[14:24] <marcoceppi_> making it a brew target would be good, I'll spend some time working through which would make charm-tools lib easiest
[14:24] <marcoceppi_> (and open bugs) thanks o/
[14:24] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: sure thing, sorry to make life harder there
[14:25] <marcoceppi_> the future is never easy
[14:26] <rick_h_> it's shiny though :) 
[14:26] <marcoceppi_> It does seem nice from what I've read through so far
[14:26] <marcoceppi_> thanks for publishing/creating it!
[14:27] <rick_h_> no problem and like I said, let us know how we can make life suck less. We're not done yet and really happy to help make this stuff useful
[15:39] <lazyPower> rick_h_: do we know if the charm store will ingest the newer series that are coming, centos/windows2012r2/et-al?
[15:42] <lazyPower> rick_h_: reason i ask - cloudbase has pushed their nova-hyperv charm and its not ingesting afaict  - https://code.launchpad.net/~gabriel-samfira/charms/win2012hvr2/nova-hyperv-charm/trunk
[17:20] <rick_h_> lazyPower: good question, I do not thing it will because it's tied to charmworld atm and charmworld is using a hard coded list if I recall
[17:20] <rick_h_> lazyPower: so that will require an update and a release to charmworld to retify and we'll also ahve to invistigate the charmstore
[17:21] <rick_h_> lazyPower: will file bugs and start to investigate but will be next week 
[17:21] <lazyPower> ok, i know that we're starting to work with cloudbase and the new series - it would be good to roll alexpilotti and gsamfira into this convo as this directly affects his team
[17:21] <lazyPower> s/his/their
[17:22] <rick_h_> lazyPower: did you want to start an email then and copy myself and urulama in please?
[17:22] <lazyPower> sure can, let me do that now
[17:22] <rick_h_> lazyPower: as we'd like to ask what series to expect coming down the pipe and such
[17:22] <alexpilotti> lazyPower: o/
[17:22] <rick_h_> lazyPower: and can reply with the bugs we create so they can track our progress and such
[17:24] <urulama> lazyPower: looking
[17:25] <lazyPower> ok, email deployed even though everyone responded here
[17:25] <rick_h_> urulama: adding cards/bugs to both charmstore and charmworld for us to track what needs to be updated to support whatever list we get from them. 
[17:25] <rick_h_> lazyPower: all good
[17:25] <rick_h_> paper trails and transparency ftw
[17:26] <gsamfira> rick_h_: heya :)
[17:26] <rick_h_> gsamfira: howdy :)
[17:26] <gsamfira> rick_h_: off the top of my head, the following series should be expected: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/version/supportedseries.go#L52-L59
[17:26] <rick_h_> gsamfira: ooh, nice list ty kindly
[17:27] <gsamfira> also, there is a high chance that debian jessie will also be supported
[17:27] <gsamfira> so you can also add "jessie" to the list :D
[17:27] <gsamfira> : my pleasure
[17:27] <rick_h_> gsamfira: k, well we've got a legacy system we're working to deprecate that has a hard coded list. I'm pretty sure we'll be more flexible coming soonish but that works for now. 
[17:27] <gsamfira> rick_h_: sweet :D
[17:28] <rick_h_> ok, ftr https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworld/+bug/1440139 and https://github.com/juju/charmstore/issues/343 for the two systems and will make sure we indicate progress/etc on those bugs
[17:28] <mup> Bug #1440139: verify charmworld will ingest new series  <charmworld:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440139>
[17:51] <rick_h_> lp|away: bah you can't run from me! :P
[18:47] <urulama> gsamfira: thanks for offering help, we already have a solution, so once it is properly tested, it'll land. might happen soon ;)
[18:47] <urulama> gsamfira: the common package solution sgtm!
[18:51] <gsamfira> urulama: awesome! Seeing our charms in the store will be amazing!
[18:52] <gsamfira> we've been waiting to get to this point ever since we did the PoC last year in Atlanta :D
[18:52] <rick_h_> gsamfira: very cool. Please feel free to hit us up for anything that hits the charmstore early so we can get things in ahead of time. We watch the commits to core but sometimes things that we need to care about slips by. 
[18:53] <rick_h_> gsamfira: don't hesitate to bug us if you think we might get in the way :)
[18:53] <gsamfira> rick_h_: many thanks! :D 
[19:32] <lp|away> rick_h_: oh i haven't run away
[19:32] <lp|away> just in and out :) whats up?
[19:32] <rick_h_> lp|away: well now I forgot :P
[19:32]  * lp|away snaps
[19:33] <lp|away> i bet it comes to you later while we're on holiday. Tricky passin thoughts as they are.
[21:33] <urulama> gsamfira: in case you're still around ... http://www.jujugui.org/q/hyperv
[21:33] <urulama> gsamfira: or http://www.jujugui.org/u/gabriel-samfira/nova-hyperv-charm/win2012hvr2/0
[21:36] <urulama> gsamfira: (this is our QA MAAS server, but gives you a glimpse that your charm will be visible in next release)
[21:45] <stokachu> rick_h_: is there a non versioned api url for retrieving https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/~landscape/bundle/landscape-dense-maas/archive/bundle.yaml
[21:46] <stokachu> rick_h_: im wanting to pull down a fresh copy of that bundle to pass to juju deployer but didn't want to keep updating the package is that api version would change how i get to the file
[21:46] <stokachu> *if that api version*