[00:01] <ali1234> same result in safe mode
[00:42] <ali1234> known bug reported nearly 2 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=871908
[00:42] <lubotu3`> Mozilla bug 871908 in Places "Clearing "browsing and download" history does excessive disc IO (due to huge wal file)" [Normal,New]
[05:45] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[05:45] <mapps> morning
[05:45] <mapps> sup
[05:46] <knightwise> <hey mapps , its friday , work email box exploding ... so i'm glad its weekend :)
[05:47] <knightwise> but my raspberry pi 2 should arrive today .. thats good ! :)
[05:47] <mapps> ;D
[05:47] <mapps> i cant order one;/
[05:47] <mapps> well can but not to here
[05:48] <knightwise> realy ?  Arent you in the UK ?
[05:49] <mapps> nah
[05:49] <mapps> not anymore
[05:49] <knightwise> where did you move to ?
[05:50] <mapps> Gibraltar
[05:50] <mapps> and you cant order anything here
[05:50] <mapps> every time i go on amazon says 'not avaliable to deliver to gib'
[05:50] <mapps> had to order my laptop to spain and my friend brought it into work
[05:50] <mapps> i ordered a phone to UK asked my dad to send it here..cost him £46!! and took 2 weeks for me to get it
[05:51] <mapps> its like very slow and backwards here
[05:52] <knightwise> thats crud :(
[05:52] <mapps> yea
[05:52] <knightwise>  If I order my stuff @ amazon in germany it gets here in about 2 days without hassle
[05:52] <mapps> like i could send something to anywhere in europe for way less
[05:52] <mapps> but gibraltar isnt europe for post
[05:53] <mapps> yet they like to have the benefits of apparently being part of europe due to being a british territory
[05:53] <mapps> very very annoying
[05:53] <mapps> you're stuck with the rubbish stores here
[05:53] <mapps> buy an i3 laptop for the cost of an i7
[05:53] <mapps> or a 42" tv for the cost of a 50" on amazon
[05:57] <knightwise> Crud
[05:57] <knightwise> We have all the stupid taxes when we order something from the US
[05:57] <knightwise> its rediculous
[06:04] <knightwise> Damn .. i wish they would get MIR8 working on my Surface Pro
[06:04] <knightwise> I would love it if I could switch between a touch interface and a windowed interface on that device
[06:14] <mapps> so youre in germany?
[06:19] <knightwise> Belgium
[06:20] <mapps> AHA
[06:20] <mapps> been there
[06:20] <mapps> ;D
[06:20] <mapps> so you speak dutch
[06:20] <mapps> close to german
[06:20] <mapps> when ive looked at dutch some words are very similar
[06:20] <mapps> ik hev..ik ben
[06:21] <mapps> *heb#
[06:21] <knightwise> I speak Dutch, French German and English
[06:21] <mapps> ;D
[06:46] <zmoylan-pi> i speak profanity, swearing with a smidgeon of cursing
[06:57] <knightwise> Universal languages eh ! :)
[06:59] <zmoylan-pi> and when a piece of hardware ignores those it's time for the hammer
[07:00] <knightwise> good morning zmoylan-pi
[07:00] <knightwise> What apps do you run on your pi except irc ?
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> newsbeuter for rss feeds
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> nano for text editing
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> a bit of bash
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> a bit of perl
[07:03] <knightwise> irssi, newsbeuter, wordgrinder, ttytter, mps-youtube
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> a lot easier not to be distracted when there's no gui
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> i set up ttytter but stoped using it
[07:04] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: correct
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> i might go back to it
[07:04] <knightwise> its also my ssh end point
[07:05] <zmoylan-pi> i keep meaning to access the pi from outside the home network but my knowledge of keeping it secure is too limited
[07:06] <knightwise> good password policy and only signing in via public/privatekey allowed
[07:06] <zmoylan-pi> and i also want to upgrade from current pi b to pi 2
[07:07] <zmoylan-pi> then i could access the pi remotely from dumbphone making it a little smarter :-)
[07:07] <zmoylan-pi> full linux terminal with a battery life measured in days
[07:08] <zmoylan-pi> froma phone with a full qwerty keyboard
[07:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: my rasp2 arrives today
[07:10] <knightwise> i'm curious if i can just switch out the sd cards from one to the other
[07:10]  * zmoylan-pi dons a fake mustache and waits outside knightwise's location to intercept delivery...
[07:11] <zmoylan-pi> well my pi b uses sd card and pi2 uses microsd so not for me
[07:12] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: Ah Crud ! i'll need to get a new card
[07:13] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully available at every phone shop for those phones that use them
[07:15] <knightwise> agreed
[07:18] <zmoylan-pi> the 4gb sd card that came with the maplins pi starter kit i bought is now down to .9gb free.  so thinking maybe a 16gb card for new pi 2
[07:18] <knightwise> hmm.. so that will be 16 gig card at list.
[07:18] <knightwise> at least. Agreed
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> then maybe use the pi b with camera module as wildlife camera in garden
[07:20] <knightwise> is it suitable for outdoor use ?
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> there are cases or make a housing
[07:20] <knightwise> ps : are the cases on the pi and the pi2 the same ? No right
[07:21] <zmoylan-pi> pi b only has 2 usb ports, b+ and 2 have 4
[07:21] <knightwise> so.. so i'll need to break out the lego
[07:21] <zmoylan-pi> like you needed an excuse...
[07:22] <zmoylan-pi> remember to drop 1-2 pieces to find at 3am when barefoot walking to the loo
[07:23]  * knightwise thinkin he will build a imperial stormtrooper style case
[07:23] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't sound secure, those guys are terrible shots.  make a trekkie red shirt case, you know those guys will die to protect it...
[07:24] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: fair point
[07:24] <knightwise> one does not take lightly to stormtroopers being mocked in this house
[07:25] <knightwise> https://www.flickr.com/photos/knightwise/16337015253/
[07:26] <zmoylan-pi> that's why they built the death star, it was easier to hit a planet than an individual person they're such bad shots :-P
[07:27] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: you are not welcome in this house :p
[07:27] <zmoylan-pi> did you see the death star bass speaker someone was selling on ebay a few years back.  it was huge. and amongst the comments was of course 'it's huge' 'cut the chatter red 6'
[07:27] <knightwise> Lol
[08:40] <knightwise> Ah
[08:40] <knightwise> el raspberry pi is here
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:08] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[10:11] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[10:11] <knightwise> hey brobostigon , how are you today
[10:11]  * knightwise just got his pi2 :) 
[10:11] <knightwise> thing looks like heammoroid medication
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> do NOT apply pi2 to haemorroids...
[10:12] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[10:13] <knightwise> ok , Gotta go out and get me a micro sd card and start building a case for the pi2
[10:15] <knightwise> i was wondering , you can run Ubuntu mate 15.04 on the pi2 , but is there also a 'regular' ubuntu server for the pi2 ?
[10:31] <brobostigon> :)
[12:13]  * dwatkins wanders in 
[12:13] <dwatkins> Did AlanBell's "building Ubuntu on a cluster of Raspberry Pi machines" project go ok?
[12:30] <penguin42> hmm, there's only one cinema around here showing Blade Runner and the choice is between 6pm on Easter Sunday or 8pm on Easter Monday; pretty awful time
[14:17] <diddledan> artanoon
[14:31]  * penguin42 hands diddledan a paint brush
[14:31]  * diddledan pains penguin42 
[14:31] <diddledan> paints*
[14:31] <penguin42> hmm
[14:33] <Myrtti> bought a colouring book \o/
[14:37] <penguin42> one of these de-stress trendy ones?
[14:39] <Myrtti> yeah
[14:39] <Myrtti> I can reuse it as art for my mobile phone case later on
[14:39] <Myrtti> I've got one with the clear back, I've got cardboard from Yorkshire Tea pack at the moment. well not the pack, a card they sent me
[14:43] <penguin42> hmm, they do good adverts
[14:43] <Myrtti> oh? I don't watch telly so I wouldn't know. Or read magazines.
[14:46] <penguin42> Myrtti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjiGWUhHnw
[14:47]  * penguin42 doesn't drink tea
[14:47] <Myrtti> little urn!
[14:47] <penguin42> that's actually a longer edit than the version I've seen on TV I think
[14:48] <Myrtti> nice
[15:42] <MooDoo> howdy all
[15:42] <diddledan> moo
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> *bark*
[15:45] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you've got to doo a moo for MooDoo
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> would you settle for a harumph?
[15:46] <diddledan> yeah, that'll do
[15:47] <MooDoo> sounds good to me :D
[15:48] <diddledan> when do we get our chocolate eggs?
[15:48] <diddledan> I want one now
[15:49] <penguin42> on Tuesday when they go on discount
[15:49] <diddledan> lol
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> tis still the season of the discount selection box
[15:59] <penguin42> thing is I don't care about the shape of my chocolate; so I'm not going to pay more for egg/rabbit shaped chocolate
[15:59] <x85> hey
[16:00] <zmoylan-pi>             ho
[16:02] <x85> i ended up returning the hudl
[16:06] <x85> an irritating issue with the battery put me off the device
[16:07] <penguin42> it ran out?
[16:08] <x85> no despite being plugged into the mains it refused to charge unless turned off
[16:09] <penguin42> hmm, yeh that's not good
[16:10] <zmoylan-pi> sounds brokeny
[16:10] <x85> I'm looking for a cheap way to run linux because I'm trying to get away from apple
[16:11] <x85> i can manage about 120 cos apple made me poor
[16:11] <penguin42> x85: The ~£150 chromebooks/laptops ?
[16:11] <penguin42> ah, 120 hmm a bit tight
[16:12] <x85> yea
[16:12] <x85> i have a pi 2 but that doesn't run unity all too well
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> i thought you couldn't install linux on the $150 chromebooks?  and they won't be 150 when they get this side of the pond
[16:13] <penguin42> yeh, they'll be at least £150
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> and when they get to ireland a chunk more
[16:13] <penguin42> x85: I believe there's a Dell equivalent to that x86 tablet that's been made to run Fedora OK
[16:14] <x85> well i could bump to 200 and make and excuse to my wife lmao
[16:14] <penguin42> haha
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> whatever the least favourable exchange rate is plus a few % on top
[16:14] <penguin42> x85: You can get 2nd hand netbooks for ~£100
[16:15] <x85> penguin42: i've been tempted by that before unless you know of a decent brand
[16:15] <x85> the intel nuc looks cool
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> oxfam do a nice line in refurb 2nd hand laptops with 90 day warranty
[16:16] <penguin42> x85: Actually, yes, you might be able to put together a nuc for that type of price
[16:16] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Oh, not tried oxfam, I've bought a few things from CEX
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> you can get them with win7 and avoid the uefi nonsense
[16:17] <x85> i doesn't like UEFI
[16:18] <x85> idk i miss my linux freedom
[16:18] <x85> :(
[16:41] <x85> le sigh
[16:44] <shauno> I wonder what hardware can actually use tianocore
[16:48] <directhex> It's Complicated(tm)
[16:49] <directhex> tianocore isn't an entire implementation. you can't use it as-is on real hardware..... but most real-world implementations are tianocore-based
[16:49] <directhex> you can get kvm to use tianocore, but it lacks minor details like nvram support, so you can't save any settings or installed os locations
[16:50] <directhex> x85: i *wish* i had uefi on my desktop. bios is total 1970s crud
[16:50] <directhex> and has 0% to do with freedom vs. not freedom
[16:51] <x85> MacBooks are worse lmao
[16:51] <penguin42> yeh, you've got to differentiate between UEFI and secure/trusted boot - they're completely separate issues
[16:51] <directhex> and secure boot as a general concept provides beneficial extra features to the end user
[16:52] <x85> hmm what about combining pi's to run the ubuntu desktop is that possible?
[16:54] <penguin42> no
[16:54] <directhex> no.
[16:54] <directhex> there are better ARM dev boards than the pi, if that's the route you want to take
[16:54]  * penguin42 would expect the Pi2 might have a chance
[16:54] <directhex> Pi is pretty much bottom of the pile
[16:55]  * penguin42 notes Pi is the start of pile
[16:55] <directhex> pi only becomes usable via various hacks like a custom wayland compositor and custom browser
[16:56] <x85> i just want a semi cheap machine to run ubuntu
[16:56] <directhex> second hand?
[16:56]  * x85 *cries*
[16:56] <x85> not if it can be helped
[16:57] <x85> i want to throw my MBP
[16:57] <x85> lol
[16:57] <x85> why did i fall for the shiny
[16:57] <directhex> ebuyer will sell you a laptop for GBP160
[16:57] <penguin42> so why don't you just install it on your MBP?
[16:58] <x85> penguin42: that feels wrong morally and i don't want to have to mod the boot process
[16:58] <directhex> any mbp, regardless of age, has a crazy high resale value
[16:59] <penguin42> x85: You don't need to modify stuff, MBP is just a PC
[16:59] <directhex> i'm on a mbp w/ ubuntu right now.
[16:59] <directhex> penguin42: with a crap firmware tho
[16:59] <directhex> penguin42: and crap components by broadcom
[16:59] <penguin42> directhex: That crap?
[17:00] <directhex> penguin42: well the webcam doesn't work, wifi doesn't work after suspend, and wifi barely works pre-suspend
[17:00] <directhex> penguin42: and upgrading the osx partition to 10.10 totally screwed with dual-booting
[17:00] <penguin42> impressively screwed up
[17:01] <directhex> i "fixed" it, but it now takes 30s longer to boot
[17:01] <x85> it is doable of course but it just doesn't sit right
[17:01] <shauno> well, they work, just linux has terribad hardware supprt.  it's not a desktop OS.
[17:01] <directhex> broadcom fights to stop driver support on linux.
[17:04] <x85> i guess i'll just go to cex
[17:04] <m0nkey_> bah, why does it have to be a public holiday today?
[17:04] <m0nkey_> parts for my PC build are on the island. but wont be delivered until monday.
[17:04] <penguin42> m0nkey_ island?
[17:05] <directhex> cex is crazy overpriced for pc stuff. but a cash converters or similar pawn shop might have undervalued stuff
[17:06] <penguin42> yeh cex can be fun when you spot something that's got a good price - but they do a 6month guarantee
[17:06] <directhex> ebuyer will sell desktops for GBP150, if you don't want a laptop for GBP160
[17:07] <m0nkey_> penguin42, heh yeah.. island. Montreal.
[17:07]  * m0nkey_ is a brit ex-pat
[17:09] <x85> ex-pat?
[17:09] <x85> moved out of uk?
[17:10] <penguin42> I was going to joke about you moving out to get some warmth, but but Montreal....
[17:10] <m0nkey_> lol
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, apart from the moose attacks it's probably still more pleasent weather... :-)
[17:13] <penguin42> do you class moose attacks as weather?
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> lots of spittle :-)
[18:23] <Myrtti> I fixed my "I need more stuff from Amazon" problem by buying a pack of colouring pencils ^____^
[18:43] <mapps> well thats annoying
[18:43] <mapps> ts a holy day so nowhere open..i thought the store would be but reduced hours
[18:43] <mapps> thought morrisons would be open till 4/5
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> mapps, they are as far as we know not closing down prior to 4th May... is there something you know that we don't
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> & if you do know something - tell their poor underpaid staff!
[18:52] <mapps> hah;]
[18:52] <mapps> had mcdonalds for lunch gonna have to get a kebab fkr dinner
[19:15] <dogmatic69_> omg http://store.steampowered.com/app/347250/
[19:15] <dogmatic69_> Many hours spent on that game
[19:17] <shauno> odd.  I wonder why the publisher have decided to stick pictures of a f117 all over a game called f19
[19:18] <ali12341> shauno: because when the game was made nobody knew the real codename of the aircraft
[19:19] <ali12341> the later rereleased the same game as f117
[19:19] <shauno> oh the game has it right.  but not whoever's rebundled it
[19:20] <ali12341> no, the game was released by microprose under both names back in the day
[19:20] <shauno> right, I had f-117 on the amiga
[19:21] <ali12341> "MicroProse released the game on the same day that the United States military first admitted the existence of its F-117A Nighthawk stealth fighter.[2] Before the game's release many had speculated on a missing aircraft in the United States Air Force's numbering system, the F-19.  The game was based on an educated guess about what the secret stealth  fighter would be like. Subsequent revisions of the game incorporated the  actual F-117 as well as
[19:24] <shauno> well, I still think it's jarring that the aircraft on the box isn't the one used in their marketting
[19:25] <ali12341> the box... on steamplay?
[19:25] <shauno> to be clear, I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-19_Stealth_Fighter
[19:26] <shauno> you're conflating it with 2.0, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Hawk:_F-117A_Stealth_Fighter_2.0
[19:26] <ali12341> the "f19" looks almost identical to an f117 because they looked at photos taken by the kind of people who make a hobby out of photographing top secret experimental aircraft
[19:26] <shauno> almost identical in that they both have wings?
[19:26] <shauno> otherwise one has the face-on profile of a flying saucer, the other looks like a pyramid
[19:27] <ali12341> seems like the game was released with two different covers
[19:28] <ali12341> http://wordofthenerdonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/07/Z0072320.jpg vs http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ybkDh_6XARU/U4rkUipKOmI/AAAAAAAAAck/fIz9jncUYY0/s1600/ebay1.jpg
[19:48] <ali12341> yeah so i just don't get where you're seeing a f117 on a f19 cover
[19:48] <ali12341> anyway, these were really good games back in the day
[19:48] <ali12341> pretty much the perfect balance between arcade fun and simulation
[19:48] <ali12341> someone should remake them with nicer graphics
[20:01] <shauno> right, that's why I was complaining about it being a different aircraft shown in the marketting (on dogmatic's link)
[20:01] <shauno> the video, the headshot, don't use the same aircraft shown in-game, on the box, etc
[20:11] <foobarry> guys, who's tried the arc welder thing to run android apps from chrome!?!
[20:11] <foobarry> its great
[20:14] <foobarry> running evernote atm
[20:32] <daftykins> o0
[20:35] <daftykins> in lieu of a real android device?
[20:36] <foobarry> complements it
[20:36] <foobarry> because evernote on linux sucks
[20:37] <foobarry> the web interface sucks
[20:37] <foobarry> and wine does too
[20:37]  * zmoylan-pi misses the palm os memo app with desktop syncing
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> these days i use a text file on dropbox and have it favourited on tablet
[20:40] <foobarry> i'm going whole hog lately
[20:40] <zmoylan-pi> hmmmmm, bacon
[20:40] <foobarry> taking photos of things and sharing other notes for collab etc
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> i take loads of pics but leave the pics on the phone and just refer to tham as i need them
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> apart from those put up on twitter
[20:42] <foobarry> i write shopping lists and look at them while in front of the things
[20:42] <foobarry> like in b&q etc
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> i just throw them into memopad on nokia dumbphone as that will be in my pocket as i listen to radio/mp3s on it while out and about
[20:43] <foobarry> microserver going cheap http://www.ebuyer.com/517760-hp-proliant-gen8-g1610t-microserver-712317-421
[20:48] <daftykins> oh ebuyer, don't even list the spec
[21:10] <Myrtti> https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/16401104064/ simmost sitte
[21:10] <Myrtti> ie. "and that is how the cookie crumbles"
[21:11] <diddledan> Myrtti: that's pretty
[21:12] <Myrtti> I see now why they've printed the pattern only on one side of the page
[21:13] <Myrtti> printing on the next page is transferred on the back of the page being coloured because of the pressure
[21:41] <dogmatic69_> ali12341: the graphics is on par with minecraft :P
[23:00] <mapps> time to go get some dinner;D
[23:07] <x85> hi hi
[23:09] <daftykins> oh hello again
[23:18] <x85> daftykins: hey hows you
[23:19] <daftykins> not bad ta, yourself?
[23:21] <x85> not bad i ended up taking the hull back to tesco
[23:22] <daftykins> ah right
[23:23] <x85> charging issues
[23:23] <daftykins> mmm that was a bit of a drawback
[23:24] <x85> that and its still running 4.4.2?
[23:25] <daftykins> i think that's why it's so cheap
[23:26] <daftykins> no future :D
[23:28] <x85> lol
[23:28] <x85> i hate manufactures that do that 1 or 2 updates then nada
[23:30] <daftykins> do the hudls even get any at all?
[23:31] <x85> im not sure
[23:32] <daftykins> truth is the constant version update culture doesn't actually gain much other than bragging rights
[23:34] <x85> yea
[23:35] <daftykins> as long as security fixes are backported anywho
[23:36] <x85> i guess android isn't really a major thing for me
[23:37] <daftykins> i'm ok with it on my phone but that's about as far as it goes :>
[23:39] <x85> i would indeed like to see a native ubuntu slab
[23:40]  * penguin42 still assumes it's possible to get a hudl to run ubuntu 
[23:41] <x85> probably is but i don't want to wait lol
[23:42] <x85> i don't care if all i have is a terminal
[23:42] <x85> lol
[23:42] <daftykins> tends to be best to buy things that are capable of something, not before they are :>