[04:18] <greg-g> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55rtXg0ZsLE
[04:19] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[04:19] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh guess what
[04:20] <greg-g> what's up?
[04:20] <rick_h_> greg-g: they've hired a product manager for my team's stuff
[04:20] <greg-g> yay?
[04:20] <rick_h_> so now to figureout wtf that means and hope that it's sane
[04:20] <greg-g> (I want one for my team so bad)
[04:20] <rick_h_> yea, everyone talks up product managers and how they're awesome sauce
[04:21] <rick_h_> but since we've not had one for the last year kind of hoping I'll figure out how to let go of bits of things to him
[04:21] <greg-g> I'm just at the point (10 people, 3 distinct main areas of focus) where I could use the help
[04:21] <rick_h_> and that video is a bit creepy
[04:21] <rick_h_> yea
[04:21] <greg-g> :)
[04:21] <rick_h_> I've got a really awesome co-lead that helps a ton on my end
[04:22] <greg-g> technical co-lead?
[04:22] <rick_h_> yea, technically I lead one of of 6 and he leads the other team of 4 and we coordinate with UX team (5) and another tech team under a different mgr (4)
[04:22] <rick_h_> so the two of us juggle/manage the project together pretty well
[04:22] <greg-g> interesting
[04:23] <greg-g> that's kinda neat
[04:23] <greg-g> are those 5 UX all for those 10 (14?) devs?
[04:23] <rick_h_> well, we've got one main UX, a visual person, and two junior folks they're hiring
[04:23] <rick_h_> and then their manager
[04:23] <rick_h_> who manages more of them, but we work (well will work) with those 4
[04:24] <greg-g> nice
[04:24] <greg-g> I mean, you have a real user-facing product
[04:24] <greg-g> I don't :)
[04:24] <rick_h_> yea
[04:24] <greg-g> (in the traditional sense, of course, our engineering staff are usrs, but not the same)
[04:24] <rick_h_> right, that internal vs external thing
[04:25] <rick_h_> it's one thing I didn't like about my last job, we weren't the product but a cost
[04:25] <rick_h_> which changes the dynamic a bit there
[04:25] <greg-g> yeah, my team is all cost
[04:25] <rick_h_> but important cost! :)
[04:26] <greg-g> without it shit won't be pushed :)
[04:27] <greg-g> alright, bed time for me, gotta be up at 5:45
[04:27] <rick_h_> ouch, enjoy
[14:27] <cmaloney> Morning and all that.
[14:28] <rick_h_> morn
[14:35] <_stink_> yo
[14:50] <greg-g> yo yo
[15:04] <cmaloney> yo yo yo
[16:29] <ColonelPanic001> ..
[17:24] <cmaloney> Yay, apparently someone breached Biggby's loyalty card system
[17:26] <rick_h_> wheee
[17:28] <_stink_> you may be bad luck in that regard, cmaloney
[17:29] <cmaloney> I hope not
[17:29] <cmaloney> Though JoDee used her card at Biggby today so we'll see if that causes problems.
[17:30] <jonathan_> that sucks
[17:30] <jonathan_> do you have a link to that breach cmaloney?
[17:30] <cmaloney> jonathan_: I got a note from Biggby proper
[17:30] <cmaloney> Not sure if there's a link
[17:30] <jjesse> cmaloney: hrmm will have to check my email then
[17:31] <cmaloney> At the very least they didn't say "hacker" or "cracker"
[17:31] <cmaloney> and used the term "criminal"
[17:31] <cmaloney> ++
[17:32] <jjesse> good for them, no notification in my inbox
[17:43] <cmaloney> JoDee just got one
[17:43] <cmaloney> so they may be delayed
[17:45] <rick_h_> let me stand by my 'never participate in any loyalty program ever' stance
[17:45] <gamerchick02> what did JoDee just get? sorry i was out
[17:45] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ i participate in mperks *shrug*
[17:46] <cmaloney> MPerks is awesome
[17:46] <gamerchick02> mperks is. their app kind of sucks though
[17:46] <cmaloney> That's OK, apparently someone broke into change.org
[17:47] <rick_h_> what is mperks?
[17:47] <gamerchick02> it's gotten better
[17:47] <gamerchick02> mperks is Meijer digital coupons
[17:47] <cmaloney> so they'll know that I signed up to abolish DST
[17:47] <rick_h_> oh, yea I go to meijer because they don't pressure the program like kroger does
[17:47] <rick_h_> damn evil place
[17:47] <cmaloney> M-Perks is acknowledging that Meijer already tracks your ass and gives them explicit permission
[17:47] <gamerchick02> Kroger, blech
[17:47] <cmaloney> We've managed to bet $$ from them
[17:47] <cmaloney> Kroger can DIAF
[17:48] <gamerchick02> agree!!
[17:48] <gamerchick02> they cost too much and are wholly inconvenient.
[17:50] <gamerchick02> https://amysramblings.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/back-to-ubuntu/ dunno if anyone's read my little writeup of the XPS 13, but there it is.
[17:50] <cmaloney> That's part of the reason I stopped going to Speedway: Their stupid video monitors
[17:50] <gamerchick02> meh, i ignore them
[17:50] <gamerchick02> i'm like, desensitized to commercials
[17:50] <gamerchick02> :-P
[18:00] <greg-g> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3693
[18:51] <gamerchick02> good comic. i love SMBC
[23:35] <gamerchick02> oh no. i'm browsing amazon again
[23:49] <derekv> remember when people used to go to the mall to hang out?
[23:50] <gamerchick02> yes.
[23:50] <gamerchick02> it was a *thing* when i was in middle and high school
[23:50] <gamerchick02> now i don't go to the mall unless i need something specific.
[23:51] <derekv> i like to set up servers but i don't have any good way of keeping them from bitrotting or maintaining them or monitoring them or remembering how I set them up or that I set them up
[23:51] <derekv> until suddenly i remember one of them and it kills a weekend getting it running again then repeat
[23:51] <derekv> extreme futility
[23:52] <greg-g> puppet :)
[23:52] <greg-g> or whatever config management tool you prefer
[23:53] <derekv> i just worry that i'd use puppet then the next cycle would come around and puppet (or whatever i used) would be abandon and/or whatever scripts i created would be worthless
[23:53] <jrwren> haha. the mall.
[23:53] <jrwren> i go to the mall to just walk around sometimes.
[23:53] <jrwren> derekv: I just don't setup servers anymore. I consider them ephemeral.
[23:54] <jrwren> derekv: If i cannot replace it with a new instance in 5-15min, I have failed.
[23:54] <jrwren> derekv: at arbor we had many roll out in 2-3 minutes
[23:54] <derekv> i guess they are a little like goldfish... which is maybe evidence why i shouldn't have pets
[23:54] <derekv> yea i agree for work/business
[23:54] <jrwren> derekv: right.  Cattle not pets is the new saying.
[23:54] <derekv> these are just things running in my basement
[23:55] <jrwren> oh, for basement, I have 1 system. it has its roots from 10+ years now.
[23:55] <jrwren> I did reinstall when I got new hardware about 5 yrs ago, but did copy a few configs over.
[23:55] <derekv> i'm down to two, with several VMs however
[23:55] <jrwren> not sure what bitrot means on a long running server like that ;)
[23:55] <derekv> s/VMs/jails
[23:56] <jrwren> i'm about to spinup a short lived VM on it right now :)
[23:56] <derekv> it just means that for some reason if you don't notice right away if something you got working stopped working, until a long time later
[23:56] <derekv> my firewall is handspun and i had spent a weekend getting ipv6 working, this was a couple years ago
[23:57] <jrwren> yeah! me too!
[23:57] <derekv> and like a year later i noticed it didn't work, no ipv6
[23:57] <derekv> and i remembered almost nothing about what i did
[23:57] <jrwren> I save my ipv6 scripts, but every time i reboot I have to run the ipv6 scripts manually ;)
[23:57] <jrwren> derekv: but that is kind of good, because you do it 2-3 more times and you remember and you really learn it.
[23:58] <derekv> i'm about to replace it with pfsense =[
[23:58] <jrwren> lame.
[23:58] <jrwren> well, maybe no lame, I don't know
[23:58] <jrwren> but does pfsense have good ipv6 support?
[23:58] <derekv> i think this firewall install goes back 6~7 years at least
[23:58] <derekv> i think so
[23:59] <jrwren> i'd love to see a nice firewall support prefix delegation