| ochosi | morning folks | 07:45 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | i noticed i get a fontconfig folder created every once in a while on 15.04 | 08:27 |
| ochosi | have any of you gotten that too? (haven't been able to track down the troublemaker yet) | 08:28 |
| knome | a fontconfig folder? | 10:03 |
| ochosi | knome: a fontconfig folder. | 10:55 |
| knome | where? | 11:08 |
| knome | why is it a problem? | 11:08 |
| knome | etc.. | 11:08 |
| ochosi | in the home folder | 11:14 |
| ochosi | well, it just pops up from time to time, then i delete it | 11:14 |
| ochosi | then it resurfaces | 11:14 |
| ochosi | haven | 11:14 |
| ochosi | t had time to further investigate | 11:14 |
| ochosi | but as i've been running 15.04 for a while and haven't had a chance for a clean install, i wanted to check before i run everything in vbox | 11:14 |
| dkessel_ | ochosi: I think I had that too recently | 11:15 |
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| ochosi | (also, it doesn't happen instantaneously, just seems to be triggered by "something" "at some point") | 11:15 |
| ochosi | ok | 11:15 |
| ochosi | guess we should check whether a bugreport already exists | 11:15 |
| ochosi | and if not, investigate this a bit and then submit one | 11:15 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I have one better, ]/ randomly pops up... | 11:16 |
| ochosi | what's ]/ ? | 11:17 |
| knome | aha, so not a dot folder? | 11:17 |
| Unit193 | I haven't the slightest idea, empty. | 11:18 |
| Unit193 | ~/]/ just appears. | 11:18 |
| knome | i'm sure it's a punishment for all your sins. | 11:19 |
| ochosi | nope, not a dot folder, otherwise i'd have said .fontconfig :) | 11:25 |
| ochosi | Unit193: oh wow, that's even weirder | 11:25 |
| * ochosi suspects Unit193 is a story-topper | 11:25 | |
| Unit193 | Not usually, that involves talking to people. I just plain don't understand it.. | 11:26 |
| dkessel | Often? You could have a look at the creation time. Maybe you get an idea what ran at that time | 11:27 |
| Unit193 | Not that often, nope. | 11:28 |
| elfy | I've not seen that fontconfig thing at all during the last 5 months | 16:33 |
| elfy | anyone know of xfce bug for terminal not getting focus? google fu failing, thought there was one to put against bug 1440100 | 16:45 |
| ubottu | bug 1440100 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal doesn't have focus when first opened" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440100 | 16:45 |
| sidi | hey, Alistair pointed out on the Xubuntu docs that we should mention websites that purposefully steal user passwords | 17:01 |
| sidi | in https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/guide-keeping-safe.html "How to reuse passwords safely" | 17:01 |
| sidi | if anyone's got commit access to the docs, can you please add a one-liner? I dont really feel like digging the doc, making a patch, etc, since it'd take me 30 mins to just locate the bzr repo :p | 17:03 |
| sidi | oh wait i already have one! | 17:03 |
| sidi | hm, slickymaster pushed my commit with a different title/id so i cant merge the upstream branch. bad slickymaster :p | 17:05 |
| sidi | slickymaster, can you please merge lp:~sidi/+junk/xubuntu-docs/ ? | 17:06 |
| slickymaster | lol sidi, I'm nor bad :P | 17:13 |
| slickymaster | * not | 17:13 |
| slickymaster | sidi, I'm assuming your talking about http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sidi/+junk/xubuntu-docs/revision/342 | 17:15 |
| sidi | kidding :-) | 17:15 |
| slickymaster | can't you do a MP? | 17:15 |
| sidi | what's a MP? | 17:15 |
| slickymaster | merge proposal | 17:16 |
| sidi | never realised we had this on launchpad :| | 17:16 |
| slickymaster | yeah just head on to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid | 17:16 |
| slickymaster | and do it | 17:16 |
| slickymaster | I'll merge into main branch then | 17:16 |
| sidi | wah this merge UI is so weird | 17:17 |
| slickymaster | ping as soon as you've done it sidi | 17:17 |
| sidi | slickymaster, i just get a weird error message | 17:18 |
| sidi | i have to go on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid/+register-merge and fill in my branch details right!? | 17:19 |
| slickymaster | yes | 17:20 |
| sidi | This branch is not mergeable into lp:~sidi/+junk/xubuntu-docs. | 17:21 |
| slickymaster | ?! | 17:21 |
| sidi | how is it not mergeable... | 17:21 |
| sidi | and wtf is this UI? it feels like i'm asking to merge your branch into mine | 17:21 |
| sidi | and on my own branch page i have no +register-merge button | 17:21 |
| sidi | wtf Launchpad | 17:21 |
| slickymaster | lol | 17:21 |
| slickymaster | sidi how did you made the mp in the first place? | 17:22 |
| sidi | i went to the url above | 17:22 |
| sidi | and put in my branch name | 17:22 |
| slickymaster | did you branched the main branch -> bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs | 17:22 |
| sidi | yeah | 17:22 |
| sidi | parent_location = bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/xubuntu-docs/ | 17:23 |
| slickymaster | then made the changes and bzr commit -> bzr push, right? | 17:23 |
| sidi | yeah | 17:23 |
| sidi | just one new commit on top of the tree | 17:23 |
| slickymaster | that's odd then, how come it's not showing up in LP? | 17:23 |
| slickymaster | presently the only proposal present there is krytarik's | 17:24 |
| slickymaster | https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/xubuntu-docs/patches/+merge/254485 | 17:24 |
| sidi | slickymaster, turns out you cant merge +junk branches | 17:25 |
| sidi | https://code.launchpad.net/~sidi/xubuntu-docs/security-advice/+merge/255201 slickymaster | 17:25 |
| slickymaster | ok, will merge this one | 17:26 |
| slickymaster | done sidi. Pushed up to revision 342. | 17:34 |
| elfy | good evening slickymaster sidi | 17:36 |
| slickymaster | hey elfy | 17:36 |
| sidi | elfy, hiya | 18:17 |
| sidi | slickymaster, thy | 18:17 |
| sidi | ty* | 18:17 |
| Unit193 | elfy: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11743 | 19:09 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11743 in Helpers "exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator inactive window opens" [Normal,New] | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | Easiest thing to do there is reverse the two commits. | 19:18 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: You try out xfburn yet? :P | 19:23 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, no. I've got no dvd drives around, so it seemed pointless | 19:25 |
| Unit193 | A lot of things seem to seem pointless. :P Well, can check if it works at all, or perhaps loop mounting. That's what I'm going to try. | 19:26 |
| Noskcaj | ok, i'll get to it later today | 19:26 |
| Unit193 | Well doesn't crash. | 19:29 |
| brainvvash | indicator-messages does not show up in the indicator area. did anyone else notice this? | 19:39 |
| Unit193 | It's up there, indicating. | 19:40 |
| brainvvash | good | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | If it's a first install or something, it won't appear until after you open something that supports it. | 19:41 |
| ali12341 | i dont see it, but i haven't updated for a few days | 19:41 |
| brainvvash | I've even checked the guest session, not sure what may be broken here then | 19:41 |
| ali12341 | ah that would be it | 19:41 |
| ali12341 | yeah it pops up as soon as i start pidgin | 19:41 |
| brainvvash | install is 4 months old and I've opened a handful of email clients already | 19:42 |
| ali12341 | few email clients seem to support it | 19:42 |
| Unit193 | Thunderbird should, pidgin does, and hexchat if you have hexchat-indicator installed. | 19:42 |
| brainvvash | ok, it is back :) | 19:43 |
| Unit193 | Problem solved. \o/ | 19:43 |
| brainvvash | so, what about the exo bug? bluesabre wanted to somehow fix it, or revert the faulty commits | 19:44 |
| Unit193 | I used revert, it's super effective. | 19:46 |
| brainvvash | for personal use | 19:47 |
| brainvvash | can you fix the ubuntu package? | 19:47 |
| brainvvash | and upload? | 19:47 |
| Unit193 | I can not upload, and wasn't sure how bluesabre wanted to fix that. | 19:49 |
| brainvvash | the benefit of fixing it properly is small | 19:49 |
| brainvvash | just revert before it's too late :) | 19:50 |
| mrkramps | known issue that media keys are not recognized in xubuntu session? | 20:44 |
| knome | no and yes | 20:45 |
| mrkramps | so it depends? | 20:45 |
| knome | yep | 20:45 |
| knome | it's mostly hardware specific, the software side should be working with no problems | 20:45 |
| mrkramps | eh, and that's the real issue … media keys are recognised in an openbox session on the same system | 20:46 |
| brainvvash | did they work in 14.10? did some update in 15.04 break the functionality? | 20:51 |
| mrkramps | i have to admit my setup is not very representative with 14.04 + 4.12 PPA and actually my question should have been if there is some issue known in general or had been fixed recently or something | 20:52 |
| brainvvash | download the 15.04 iso and verify that it's broken in the current dev release | 20:53 |
| brainvvash | booting into the live session should be enough | 20:54 |
| mrkramps | alright | 20:54 |
| mrkramps | brainvvash, beta 2 or daily? | 21:03 |
| brainvvash | daily | 21:04 |
| brainvvash | beta 2 should be fine too, it's still somewhat fresh | 21:05 |
| mrkramps | daily is in the pipe now | 21:06 |
| mrkramps | thanks | 21:06 |
| mrkramps | brainvvash, is there somethings else i maybe should test when i boot daily? | 21:23 |
| brainvvash | you wanna do some general testing? | 21:25 |
| brainvvash | I don't know if something specific needs testing | 21:26 |
| mrkramps | i will have to boot it anyway | 21:26 |
| mrkramps | ok, maybe next time | 21:28 |
| brainvvash | feel free to open random apps and click on different stuff like panel indicators | 21:28 |
| brainvvash | if you want more details, you'll have to ask elfy | 21:29 |
| Unit193 | Awesome, Debian is finally working on ddebs. | 21:31 |
| mrkramps_ | ok, media keys are working in daily and it is nice to see thunar not segfaulting on file operations anymore | 21:37 |
| Unit193 | Nice. | 21:38 |
| mrkramps_ | so i guess all issues i have are due to my mixed setup | 21:39 |
| Unit193 | xfce-4.12? | 21:40 |
| mrkramps_ | 14.04 with 4.12 ppa | 21:40 |
| mrkramps_ | and yes, i know i had to expect issues when adding the ppa ^ | 21:40 |
| Unit193 | I'll update that, thunar in vivid is newer. | 21:42 |
| mrkramps_ | that is great to hear #11450 made thunar absolutely useless | 21:42 |
| mrkramps_ | Unit193: is there something else i shall test as i have booted daily anyway | 21:43 |
| mrkramps_ | mugshot is also fixed | 21:44 |
| mrkramps_ | or is it just because a name is already given | 21:44 |
| mrkramps_ | ah, mugshot still crashing when name is empty | 21:45 |
| Unit193 | mrkramps_: Not that I know of, the testcase is pretty simple. You can report it if you'd like on https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 21:50 |
| Unit193 | mrkramps: Actually, in a bit you can help by updating your trusty system and 1. Checking that everything is a-ok. 2. See what else depends on libxfce4util6. | 22:18 |
| mrkramps | Unit193, alright, i'll check ppa page for updated packages being published | 22:19 |
| bluesabre | hey all | 22:20 |
| bluesabre | whats up? | 22:21 |
| * Unit193 sighs. | 22:23 | |
| Unit193 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-session/vivid/view/head:/debian/changelog#L115 | 22:23 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: exo? | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yes, going to fix exo this weekend, either upstream or ubuntu, but fix it | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | elfy, jjfrv8, dkessel I may have something for you to test soon (since you have 2~ monitors according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TeamHardware) | 22:25 |
| bluesabre | my internet at home has been less than reliable lately :( | 22:27 |
| Unit193 | Bah. | 22:27 |
| Unit193 | That's not really going to help at all. | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | hm? | 22:29 |
| bluesabre | probably going to merge the one thunar patch as well since I haven't heard any negative feedback | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | Bad internet. Got xfburn git snapshot with gst1.0 up in staging. | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | nice! | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | I'll have to try to burn something other than food then | 22:35 |
| Unit193 | Haha. :D | 22:35 |
| Unit193 | Nearly a week, and gst0.10 needs to disappear. xfce4-mixer is the only other thing, I believe. | 22:36 |
| mrkramps | Unit193, thunar still crashes with segfault | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | which crash? | 22:39 |
| mrkramps | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 | 22:40 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11450 in core "Thunar 1.64, 1.65, & 1.66 crash when moving files" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] | 22:40 |
| brainvvash_ | did you restart thunar (including its daemon process)? | 22:40 |
| mrkramps | i logged out | 22:40 |
| Unit193 | And, apt-cache policy thunar | 22:40 |
| mrkramps | Installed: 1.6.6-1ubuntu1~14.04 | 22:41 |
| mrkramps | brainvvash_, the deamon should be restarted if i log out and in again? | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | ah, is that with the last patch in that bug report? | 22:41 |
| brainvvash_ | mrkramps, yes | 22:42 |
| mrkramps | the patch in #104 works, i applied it manually | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | cool, going to patch the PPA and vivid versions with that same patch | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | was looking for feedback if anybody noticed regressions, but nobody indicated as much | 22:44 |
| mrkramps | bluesabre, i send a very oldschool e-mail to Noskcaj because he was the last who uploaded the thunar package in that ppa | 22:44 |
| mrkramps | so at least he should know about it ^^ | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I've gotten a few emails about it too | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | just been out and about or offline most of the week | 22:45 |
| mrkramps | i am using thunar with this patch for some days now w/o any problems | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | good to hear | 22:45 |
| mrkramps | and i guess everything is better than having a file manager segfaultig at a core feature | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | yes | 22:46 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Also, I just hit xfce-4.12 trusty with backports of $WORLD. | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | oh thats fun | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | thanks Unit193 | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | you da bestest | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | <3 | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | mrkramps: Can you apt-get purge -s libxfce4util6 | pastebinit ? | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Hah, sure. | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | mrkramps: That won't remove anything, -s = simulate | 22:47 |
| mrkramps | Unit193, i know ;) | 22:47 |
| mrkramps | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10734110/ | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | Coolio, danke. | 22:48 |
| mrkramps | gern geschehen | 22:48 |
| mrkramps | the media keys still not working btw. | 22:49 |
| Unit193 | indicator shouldn't be on that list.. | 22:51 |
| mrkramps | bluesabre, i guess patchin the thunar package might take awhile? | 22:53 |
| dkessel | bluesabre: sure, tell me what to test then | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | dkessel: great, I'll likely have a new lightdm-gtk-greeter package to test ready tonight or tomorrow, I'll poke you then | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Going to stop doing the login box flickering? | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: FWIW, I have exo with the same commits reverted as Arch has, just needs an updated d/changelog. | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: that might be a fix in there, but more importantly it should fix the useless login screen with 2+ monitors | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: where's your exo? that might be a good place to start | 23:07 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce please fix changelog though! | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | ofc | 23:09 |
| Unit193 | Because, there's two patches, not one. :P | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | bbiab | 23:16 |
| mrkramps | Unit193, indicator plugin is held back, missing dependencies | 23:18 |
| Unit193 | Ah, I see it. | 23:18 |
| Unit193 | Pushed. | 23:32 |
| mrkramps | Fixed. | 23:41 |
| Unit193 | Yep, just had to "manually" backport. Man, trusty has been a while. | 23:42 |
| mrkramps | ^^ | 23:45 |
| mrkramps | so package upower-bin was added after 14.04 | 23:45 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, it was split due to systemd. | 23:45 |
| Unit193 | And in newer plugins, 'upstart' is called rather than 'init' | 23:45 |
| mrkramps | damn, i guess it is pain in the ass to maintain such a backport ppa | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | systemload also won't get pushed back to trusty, upower 0.99. | 23:46 |
| knome | only in Unit193's bottom. | 23:46 |
| mrkramps | especially when the core system had a lot of changes | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | Meh, well I worry a bit about it because I don't use trusty. | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | Yeah. | 23:46 |
| mrkramps | Unit193, if something goes wrong … i tellya | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | Great, thanks! | 23:47 |
| knome | Unit193, and if you break anything on MY desktop... | 23:47 |
| knome | :P | 23:47 |
| Unit193 | knome: Don't use PPAs! :P | 23:47 |
| knome | i don't! | 23:47 |
| knome | (much) | 23:47 |
| * Unit193 is a PPA (ab)user, can't really complain. :P | 23:48 | |
| mrkramps | you have to revert a lot of packages if you are going for a release upgrade | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | Not really. The upgrader will disable PPAs and just update the packages. | 23:49 |
| mrkramps | this was not working for me with 12.04 | 23:49 |
| Unit193 | Upgrades have only gotten smoother. | 23:49 |
| Unit193 | 14.10 => 15.04 was very smooth. | 23:50 |
| mrkramps | lts → lts never worked for me | 23:50 |
| Unit193 | Only ever done that on a server. :P | 23:50 |
| mrkramps | HWE also seems to break things now | 23:50 |
| Unit193 | That it does. | 23:51 |
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