[07:45] <ochosi> morning folks
[08:27] <ochosi> i noticed i get a fontconfig folder created every once in a while on 15.04
[08:28] <ochosi> have any of you gotten that too? (haven't been able to track down the troublemaker yet)
[10:03] <knome> a fontconfig folder?
[10:55] <ochosi> knome: a fontconfig folder.
[11:08] <knome> where?
[11:08] <knome> why is it a problem?
[11:08] <knome> etc..
[11:14] <ochosi> in the home folder
[11:14] <ochosi> well, it just pops up from time to time, then i delete it
[11:14] <ochosi> then it resurfaces
[11:14] <ochosi> haven
[11:14] <ochosi> t had time to further investigate
[11:14] <ochosi> but as i've been running 15.04 for a while and haven't had a chance for a clean install, i wanted to check before i run everything in vbox
[11:15] <dkessel_> ochosi: I think I had that too recently
[11:15] <ochosi> (also, it doesn't happen instantaneously, just seems to be triggered by "something" "at some point")
[11:15] <ochosi> ok
[11:15] <ochosi> guess we should check whether a bugreport already exists
[11:15] <ochosi> and if not, investigate this a bit and then submit one
[11:16] <Unit193> ochosi: I have one better, ]/ randomly pops up...
[11:17] <ochosi> what's ]/ ?
[11:17] <knome> aha, so not a dot folder?
[11:18] <Unit193> I haven't the slightest idea, empty.
[11:18] <Unit193> ~/]/ just appears.
[11:19] <knome> i'm sure it's a punishment for all your sins.
[11:25] <ochosi> nope, not a dot folder, otherwise i'd have said .fontconfig :)
[11:25] <ochosi> Unit193: oh wow, that's even weirder
[11:25]  * ochosi suspects Unit193 is a story-topper
[11:26] <Unit193> Not usually, that involves talking to people.  I just plain don't understand it..
[11:27] <dkessel> Often? You could have a look at the creation time. Maybe you get an idea what ran at that time
[11:28] <Unit193> Not that often, nope.
[16:33] <elfy> I've not seen that fontconfig thing at all during the last 5 months
[16:45] <elfy> anyone know of xfce bug for terminal not getting focus? google fu failing, thought there was one to put against bug 1440100
[17:01] <sidi> hey, Alistair pointed out on the Xubuntu docs that we should mention websites that purposefully steal user passwords
[17:01] <sidi> in https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/guide-keeping-safe.html "How to reuse passwords safely"
[17:03] <sidi> if anyone's got commit access to the docs, can you please add a one-liner? I dont really feel like digging the doc, making a patch, etc, since it'd take me 30 mins to just locate the bzr repo :p
[17:03] <sidi> oh wait i already have one!
[17:05] <sidi> hm, slickymaster pushed my commit with a different title/id so i cant merge the upstream branch. bad slickymaster :p
[17:06] <sidi> slickymaster, can you please merge lp:~sidi/+junk/xubuntu-docs/ ?
[17:13] <slickymaster> lol sidi, I'm nor bad :P
[17:13] <slickymaster> * not
[17:15] <slickymaster> sidi, I'm assuming your talking about http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sidi/+junk/xubuntu-docs/revision/342
[17:15] <sidi> kidding :-)
[17:15] <slickymaster> can't you do a MP?
[17:15] <sidi> what's a MP?
[17:16] <slickymaster> merge proposal
[17:16] <sidi> never realised we had this on launchpad :|
[17:16] <slickymaster> yeah just head on to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid
[17:16] <slickymaster> and do it
[17:16] <slickymaster> I'll merge into main branch then
[17:17] <sidi> wah this merge UI is so weird
[17:17] <slickymaster> ping as soon as you've done it sidi 
[17:18] <sidi> slickymaster, i just get a weird error message
[17:19] <sidi> i have to go on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid/+register-merge and fill in my branch details right!?
[17:20] <slickymaster> yes
[17:21] <sidi> This branch is not mergeable into lp:~sidi/+junk/xubuntu-docs.
[17:21] <slickymaster> ?!
[17:21] <sidi> how is it not mergeable...
[17:21] <sidi> and wtf is this UI? it feels like i'm asking to merge your branch into mine
[17:21] <sidi> and on my own branch page i have no +register-merge button
[17:21] <sidi> wtf Launchpad
[17:21] <slickymaster> lol
[17:22] <slickymaster> sidi how did you made the mp in the first place?
[17:22] <sidi> i went to the url above
[17:22] <sidi> and put in my branch name
[17:22] <slickymaster> did you branched the main branch -> bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs
[17:22] <sidi> yeah
[17:23] <sidi> parent_location = bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/xubuntu-docs/
[17:23] <slickymaster> then made the changes and bzr commit -> bzr push, right?
[17:23] <sidi> yeah
[17:23] <sidi> just one new commit on top of the tree
[17:23] <slickymaster> that's odd then, how come it's not showing up in LP?
[17:24] <slickymaster> presently the only proposal present there is krytarik's
[17:24] <slickymaster> https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/xubuntu-docs/patches/+merge/254485
[17:25] <sidi> slickymaster, turns out you cant merge +junk branches
[17:25] <sidi> https://code.launchpad.net/~sidi/xubuntu-docs/security-advice/+merge/255201 slickymaster 
[17:26] <slickymaster> ok, will merge this one
[17:34] <slickymaster> done sidi. Pushed up to revision 342. 
[17:36] <elfy> good evening slickymaster sidi 
[17:36] <slickymaster> hey elfy 
[18:17] <sidi> elfy, hiya
[18:17] <sidi> slickymaster, thy
[18:17] <sidi> ty*
[19:09] <Unit193> elfy: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11743
[19:18] <Unit193> Easiest thing to do there is reverse the two commits.
[19:23] <Unit193> Noskcaj: You try out xfburn yet? :P
[19:25] <Noskcaj> Unit193, no. I've got no dvd drives around, so it seemed pointless
[19:26] <Unit193> A lot of things seem to seem pointless. :P  Well, can check if it works at all, or perhaps loop mounting.  That's what I'm going to try.
[19:26] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll get to it later today
[19:29] <Unit193> Well doesn't crash.
[19:39] <brainvvash> indicator-messages does not show up in the indicator area. did anyone else notice this?
[19:40] <Unit193> It's up there, indicating.
[19:40] <brainvvash> good
[19:41] <Unit193> If it's a first install or something, it won't appear until after you open something that supports it.
[19:41] <ali12341> i dont see it, but i haven't updated for a few days
[19:41] <brainvvash> I've even checked the guest session, not sure what may be broken here then
[19:41] <ali12341> ah that would be it
[19:41] <ali12341> yeah it pops up as soon as i start pidgin
[19:42] <brainvvash> install is 4 months old and I've opened a handful of email clients already
[19:42] <ali12341> few email clients seem to support it
[19:42] <Unit193> Thunderbird should, pidgin does, and hexchat if you have hexchat-indicator installed.
[19:43] <brainvvash> ok, it is back :)
[19:43] <Unit193> Problem solved. \o/
[19:44] <brainvvash> so, what about the exo bug? bluesabre wanted to somehow fix it, or revert the faulty commits
[19:46] <Unit193> I used revert, it's super effective.
[19:47] <brainvvash> for personal use
[19:47] <brainvvash> can you fix the ubuntu package?
[19:47] <brainvvash> and upload?
[19:49] <Unit193> I can not upload, and wasn't sure how bluesabre wanted to fix that.
[19:49] <brainvvash> the benefit of fixing it properly is small
[19:50] <brainvvash> just revert before it's too late :)
[20:44] <mrkramps> known issue that media keys are not recognized in xubuntu session?
[20:45] <knome> no and yes
[20:45] <mrkramps> so it depends?
[20:45] <knome> yep
[20:45] <knome> it's mostly hardware specific, the software side should be working with no problems
[20:46] <mrkramps> eh, and that's the real issue … media keys are recognised in an openbox session on the same system
[20:51] <brainvvash> did they work in 14.10? did some update in 15.04 break the functionality?
[20:52] <mrkramps> i have to admit my setup is not very representative with 14.04 + 4.12 PPA and actually my question should have been if there is some issue known in general or had been fixed recently or something
[20:53] <brainvvash> download the 15.04 iso and verify that it's broken in the current dev release
[20:54] <brainvvash> booting into the live session should be enough
[20:54] <mrkramps> alright
[21:03] <mrkramps> brainvvash, beta 2 or daily?
[21:04] <brainvvash> daily
[21:05] <brainvvash> beta 2 should be fine too, it's still somewhat fresh
[21:06] <mrkramps> daily is in the pipe now
[21:06] <mrkramps> thanks
[21:23] <mrkramps> brainvvash, is there somethings else i maybe should test when i boot daily?
[21:25] <brainvvash> you wanna do some general testing?
[21:26] <brainvvash> I don't know if something specific needs testing
[21:26] <mrkramps> i will have to boot it anyway
[21:28] <mrkramps> ok, maybe next time
[21:28] <brainvvash> feel free to open random apps and click on different stuff like panel indicators
[21:29] <brainvvash> if you want more details, you'll have to ask elfy 
[21:31] <Unit193> Awesome, Debian is finally working on ddebs.
[21:37] <mrkramps_> ok, media keys are working in daily and it is nice to see thunar not segfaulting on file operations anymore
[21:38] <Unit193> Nice.
[21:39] <mrkramps_> so i guess all issues i have are due to my mixed setup
[21:40] <Unit193> xfce-4.12?
[21:40] <mrkramps_> 14.04 with 4.12 ppa
[21:40] <mrkramps_> and yes, i know i had to expect issues when adding the ppa ^
[21:42] <Unit193> I'll update that, thunar in vivid is newer.
[21:42] <mrkramps_> that is great to hear #11450 made thunar absolutely useless
[21:43] <mrkramps_> Unit193: is there something else i shall test as i have booted daily anyway
[21:44] <mrkramps_> mugshot is also fixed
[21:44] <mrkramps_> or is it just because a name is already given
[21:45] <mrkramps_> ah, mugshot still crashing when name is empty
[21:50] <Unit193> mrkramps_: Not that I know of, the testcase is pretty simple.  You can report it if you'd like on https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[22:18] <Unit193> mrkramps: Actually, in a bit you can help by updating your trusty system and 1. Checking that everything is a-ok.  2. See what else depends on libxfce4util6.
[22:19] <mrkramps> Unit193, alright, i'll check ppa page for updated packages being published
[22:20] <bluesabre> hey all
[22:21] <bluesabre> whats up?
[22:23]  * Unit193 sighs.
[22:23] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-session/vivid/view/head:/debian/changelog#L115
[22:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: exo?
[22:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, going to fix exo this weekend, either upstream or ubuntu, but fix it
[22:25] <bluesabre> elfy, jjfrv8, dkessel I may have something for you to test soon (since you have 2~ monitors according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TeamHardware)
[22:27] <bluesabre> my internet at home has been less than reliable lately :(
[22:27] <Unit193> Bah.
[22:27] <Unit193> That's not really going to help at all.
[22:29] <bluesabre> hm?
[22:34] <bluesabre> probably going to merge the one thunar patch as well since I haven't heard any negative feedback
[22:34] <Unit193> Bad internet.  Got xfburn git snapshot with gst1.0 up in staging.
[22:35] <bluesabre> nice!
[22:35] <bluesabre> I'll have to try to burn something other than food then
[22:35] <Unit193> Haha. :D
[22:36] <Unit193> Nearly a week, and gst0.10 needs to disappear.  xfce4-mixer is the only other thing, I believe.
[22:36] <mrkramps> Unit193, thunar still crashes with segfault
[22:39] <bluesabre> which crash?
[22:40] <mrkramps> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450
[22:40] <brainvvash_> did you restart thunar (including its daemon process)?
[22:40] <mrkramps> i logged out
[22:40] <Unit193> And, apt-cache policy thunar
[22:41] <mrkramps> Installed: 1.6.6-1ubuntu1~14.04
[22:41] <mrkramps> brainvvash_, the deamon should be restarted if i log out and in again?
[22:41] <bluesabre> ah, is that with the last patch in that bug report?
[22:42] <brainvvash_> mrkramps, yes
[22:43] <mrkramps> the patch in #104 works, i applied it manually
[22:43] <bluesabre> cool, going to patch the PPA and vivid versions with that same patch
[22:44] <bluesabre> was looking for feedback if anybody noticed regressions, but nobody indicated as much
[22:44] <mrkramps> bluesabre, i send a very oldschool e-mail to Noskcaj because he was the last who uploaded the thunar package in that ppa
[22:44] <mrkramps> so at least he should know about it ^^
[22:45] <bluesabre> yeah, I've gotten a few emails about it too
[22:45] <bluesabre> just been out and about or offline most of the week
[22:45] <mrkramps> i am using thunar with this patch for some days now w/o any problems
[22:45] <bluesabre> good to hear
[22:46] <mrkramps> and i guess everything is better than having a file manager segfaultig at a core feature
[22:46] <bluesabre> yes
[22:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, I just hit xfce-4.12 trusty with backports of $WORLD.
[22:47] <bluesabre> oh thats fun
[22:47] <bluesabre> thanks Unit193
[22:47] <bluesabre> you da bestest
[22:47] <bluesabre> <3
[22:47] <Unit193> mrkramps: Can you  apt-get purge -s libxfce4util6 | pastebinit  ?
[22:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hah, sure.
[22:47] <Unit193> mrkramps: That won't remove anything, -s = simulate
[22:47] <mrkramps> Unit193, i know ;)
[22:47] <mrkramps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10734110/
[22:48] <Unit193> Coolio, danke.
[22:48] <mrkramps> gern geschehen
[22:49] <mrkramps> the media keys still not working btw.
[22:51] <Unit193> indicator shouldn't be on that list..
[22:53] <mrkramps> bluesabre, i guess patchin the thunar package might take awhile?
[22:53] <dkessel> bluesabre: sure, tell me what to test then
[22:57] <bluesabre> dkessel: great, I'll likely have a new lightdm-gtk-greeter package to test ready tonight or tomorrow, I'll poke you then
[22:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Going to stop doing the login box flickering?
[22:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: FWIW, I have exo with the same commits reverted as Arch has, just needs an updated d/changelog.
[23:06] <bluesabre> Unit193: that might be a fix in there, but more importantly it should fix the useless login screen with 2+ monitors
[23:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: where's your exo? that might be a good place to start
[23:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce please fix changelog though!
[23:09] <bluesabre> ofc
[23:09] <Unit193> Because, there's two patches, not one. :P
[23:16] <bluesabre> bbiab
[23:18] <mrkramps> Unit193, indicator plugin is held back, missing dependencies
[23:18] <Unit193> Ah, I see it.
[23:32] <Unit193> Pushed.
[23:41] <mrkramps> Fixed.
[23:42] <Unit193> Yep, just had to "manually" backport.  Man, trusty has been a while.
[23:45] <mrkramps> ^^
[23:45] <mrkramps> so package upower-bin was added after 14.04
[23:45] <Unit193> Yeah, it was split due to systemd.
[23:45] <Unit193> And in newer plugins, 'upstart' is called rather than 'init'
[23:46] <mrkramps> damn, i guess it is pain in the ass to maintain such a backport ppa
[23:46] <Unit193> systemload also won't get pushed back to trusty, upower 0.99.
[23:46] <knome> only in Unit193's bottom.
[23:46] <mrkramps> especially when the core system had a lot of changes
[23:46] <Unit193> Meh, well I worry a bit about it because I don't use trusty.
[23:46] <Unit193> Yeah.
[23:46] <mrkramps> Unit193, if something goes wrong … i tellya
[23:47] <Unit193> Great, thanks!
[23:47] <knome> Unit193, and if you break anything on MY desktop...
[23:47] <knome> :P
[23:47] <Unit193> knome: Don't use PPAs! :P
[23:47] <knome> i don't!
[23:47] <knome> (much)
[23:48]  * Unit193 is a PPA (ab)user, can't really complain. :P
[23:48] <mrkramps> you have to revert a lot of packages if you are going for a release upgrade
[23:49] <Unit193> Not really.  The upgrader will disable PPAs and just update the packages.
[23:49] <mrkramps> this was not working for me with 12.04
[23:49] <Unit193> Upgrades have only gotten smoother.
[23:50] <Unit193> 14.10 => 15.04 was very smooth.
[23:50] <mrkramps> lts → lts never worked for me
[23:50] <Unit193> Only ever done that on a server. :P
[23:50] <mrkramps> HWE also seems to break things now
[23:51] <Unit193> That it does.