[00:00] <derekv> essentially my firewall build is pfsense but without the gui... it actually predates pfsense i beleive
[00:01] <derekv> i'm sure i could with some effort solve any issues i have now and make it easier to administer ... but it makes more sense to put that effort elsewhere
[00:01] <derekv> but, it makes me sad
[00:15] <derekv> when i was thinking about this before, i realized one thing i do need to focus on is monitoring.  when i set something up, I need to know how well its working (or not), so i can fix it right away (or decide it was stupid)
[00:16] <jrwren> yup
[00:16] <jrwren> that is what a good firewall distro SHOULD do for you.
[00:16] <jrwren> if they dno't, then they suck.
[00:16] <jrwren> there is really no excuse not to, its just I think most open source home users don't think about it
[00:17] <jrwren> so its not been an itch that has gotten much scratching.
[00:18] <jrwren> i like my smokepoing charts: http://delays.xmtp.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Local
[00:25] <derekv> oh man, this router came with a printed copy of the GPL on a leaflet, and instructions how i can order for a nominal fee a cd containing a copy of the gpl code used on the router
[00:25] <derekv> instead of just a link to where i could download it?
[00:26] <greg-g> 1) they need to provide a copy of the GPL is they distribute GPL licensed software 2) read the GPL, it gives that as an example of how to comply with providing source
[00:26] <greg-g> s/is they/if they/
[00:28] <derekv> yea, i actually have read it before =]  i just never have seen it taken literally in this way
[00:28] <greg-g> I think every router I've bought has done it that way :)
[00:29] <derekv> maybe i never noticed
[00:29] <greg-g> Also my NAS (well, minus the bit about address for a CD)
[00:29] <derekv> they should just fork on github, put a link
[00:29] <derekv> that is acceptable afaik
[00:29] <derekv> maybe rms would order the cd, but i doubt he'd buy the router in the first place
[00:30] <greg-g> no router vendor I've seen actually provides a git repo, just a tarball
[00:33] <derekv> ok maybe someone can catch me up, i studied this stuff pretty well but that was wifi a/b/g... and with a/b/g you just put it all on one SSID and everything magically works
[00:33] <derekv> whats this _2.4GHz and _5GHz crap?
[00:35] <derekv> lmgtfm: http://superuser.com/questions/362366/does-it-make-sense-to-keep-different-ssids-for-2-4ghz-and-5ghz-wireless-networks
[01:12] <jrwren> of course it makes sense. :)
[01:13] <jrwren> that way you can be sure you are using 5Ghz and not the poluted 2.4Ghz crap
[01:13] <greg-g> :)
[01:13] <jrwren> i never want to be on 2.4Ghz if i can help it, hence 2 SSIDs
[01:15] <derekv> i gather it has better range
[01:16] <derekv> and ideally, you device picks the right thing to use, but not all devices are ideally
[01:16] <derekv> or don't know how to ideally
[01:16] <derekv> (grammer abuse)
[01:24] <jrwren> yeah, I've not had good experience with any device picking the right thing, EVER
[01:24] <jrwren> so if you want to not think, and are OK when shit is slow, name 'em same SSID
[01:24] <jrwren> if you want power and control, 2 names! :)
[01:24] <jrwren> I named mine "newerbettterfaster2" and "newerbetterfaster5" and they replaced "whythisnowork"
[01:25] <jrwren> :)
[01:25] <jrwren> ssid names are fun.
[02:21] <derekv> yea i'm replacing this cheapo wireless n (2.4 only) i got about a year or so ago
[02:22] <derekv> and was suddenly getting really bad internet, which turned out to be the wap not the isp
[02:22] <derekv> and rebooting it "fixed it", but it was still quite slow
[02:38] <jrwren> ugh
[02:38] <jrwren> that is why i love wired :)
[02:45] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:46] <jrwren> hello cmaloney
[02:49] <cmaloney> Getting ready for bed.
[02:57] <derekv> jrwren: me too, which is why the problem was allowed to exist for so long
[02:57] <derekv> just got a new router though, ddwrt installed =]
[02:58] <derekv> here's a fun fact, i'm the first on my block to get a 5GHz wifi
[02:58] <derekv> according to my wifi app
[03:07] <derekv> 283Mbps @ 5ft
[03:41] <jrwren> that is what is so great about 5Ghz.
[03:42] <jrwren> it really reduces the noise.
[04:04] <derekv> i should have tested with iperf before putting on openwrt
[04:22] <derekv> 487Mbps with factory
[11:36] <tony-smlr> SMLR E148 NOW Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjU-jfObR3o Audio: http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[16:17] <cmaloney> Afternoon
[16:18] <rick_h_> afternoon
[16:22] <rick_h_> ugh, porn spam on bookie.io
[16:22] <rick_h_> go go gadget delete account after a lovely ec2 abuse report heh
[16:35] <cmaloney> Yay
[16:43] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/914/detail/
[16:43] <cmaloney> Reminder our meeting is tomorrow at 9pm
[18:21] <greg-g> derekv: 5ghz actually has less range than 2.4, especially through walls