[00:46] so.. i wish it was possible for Canonical to not use Microsoft product for the backoffice. looks like they use Navision for their finance application -- based on the job adds for AP managers.... Yip.. my daughter got me up and now I cannot sleep, so what can I say.... [04:23] morning all [04:43] morning [06:16] Hi all [06:18] hi pieter2627 [06:26] jy lekker vroeg [06:27] nee, dis al laat :P [06:27] haha die ander slaap nog dink ek [06:28] o nee miskien op pad winkels toe al [06:28] ja, kan wees [06:29] skuus dat ek min smiles gebruik, dit meen ekstra soek wat om te tik [06:29] smileys-emoticon goed [06:29] :D [06:30] daai ene die maklikste [06:31] haha, reg. ek gebruik net as dit lyk of my boodskap dalk nors kan wees, of n grap misgelees gaan word [06:31] lol [06:46] pieter2627 you said something about fixing the glug link or site or something are you up here in the vaal with us? [06:47] glug.za seems to have died , only froztyza and some of our guys still show there [06:50] No, I only went through the links to find a loco/UG in Pretoria [06:52] oh then welcome by us. pro and i and gremble and a few others are also in pta [06:52] and mopkop [06:53] oh, thanks [07:48] morning [08:00] hi captine [08:00] sorry , was reading up on 5g [08:01] and easter load shedding on the cards [08:12] The jumbotron should only be visible on the home page, right? (inetpro mentioned something about it yesterday) [08:13] lol i dont even know what that is [08:13] youll have to wait for him or fly to come on [08:14] oh maybe captine knows too [08:14] The jumbotron is the african images at the top of pages - africanSite [08:14] look at the za site and see whats there [08:15] https://ubuntu-za.org/ [08:15] we can follow that [08:16] ok [08:16] and use whatever from there that will be helpful [08:18] oh superfly i forgot, i should have used your and pros words to me. there is no retirement date in your contract [08:19] or no retirement clause [08:21] oh that has no jumbotron thing? [08:21] It has... sort of (just not the same) [08:22] oh [08:23] we also have to find a map of africa to add a link to i think. weve had peeps from other countries ask where are we [08:23] and when we reply in south africa they ask what country is that in [08:28] looks like geography isnt a common subject all over [08:28] yea, common error of non-za peeps not to discern south from southern [08:29] i dont know the legalities about using links to other sites [08:29] * pieter2627 hides in shame as he is sometimes included in that [08:29] hahaha [08:30] using links to other sites?? [08:31] let me find the one i had in mind [08:32] had a nice mape of africa with country names even though one was mispelled [08:32] i was thinking that map of africa button could point there [08:33] something like http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/af.htm [08:34] or http://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/ [08:36] How about http://jqvmap.com/ [08:36] or something similar [08:37] i dont know , ill ask fly. i thought one that showed all the country names would be good but lets hear what he says [08:38] good mornings [08:39] hello inetpro [08:39] Ok, we should just maybe look for a svg one to be able to edit as we want [08:39] inetpro read and catch up [08:40] sorry, been distracted [08:40] np [08:40] Kilos, my knowledge is not great. what might I know??? :) [08:40] pieter2627: I think those images in the jumbotron should only be relevant on the home page, and the fly acknowledged it as a bug that he wants to sort out [08:41] about the jumbotron thing [08:41] the jumbotron on the ubuntu-za homepage is different [08:41] Ok, am busy with the jumbotron so will too it same (to hide) as the ubuntu-za site [08:43] ahh, so you have figured where the difference comes in? [08:44] yea, jumbotron should be moved from base.tmpl to the index.rst (will now test) [08:45] Kilos: cool, nice to know another handyman around? [08:45] yeah very lekker [08:46] handymen [08:46] if im slow blame tara [08:46] captine: you have some learning to do :-) [08:47] hehe [08:47] Kilos: has she got herself a new PC? [08:47] ya a nice one [08:48] amd quad with 16g ram [08:48] nice! [08:48] and OS? [08:48] 7 [08:48] sigh [08:48] ai! [08:49] old pc has ubuntu on [08:49] oops, moving doesn't work so will use my initial approach to check if is home page [08:49] but rugger time she use her cellphone to comment [08:50] with 16GB RAM, tell her to install Virtualbox from www.virtualbox.org [08:50] then she can at least install ubuntu on the sidelines [08:50] her new machine should handle it with a smile [08:52] pieter2627: no problemo, take your time [08:52] am sure you'll figure it out eventually [08:53] already have, then just wanted to do it same as za site [08:53] ok [08:55] pieter2627: push it to a branch asap so we can see what you did [08:55] in 5min [08:55] i also wanna seeee [09:02] inetpro: https://code.launchpad.net/~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/jumbrotron-edits [09:02] Hope it's ok as it's my first cont to any proj (might have to work on commit messages) [09:03] * inetpro downloading [09:07] pieter2627: it works [09:07] * inetpro created a blank new page join-us and it doesn't have the jumbotron [09:07] aalston@home-server:~/bgp.process$ time ./process [09:07] Processed 541689 total prefixs [09:07] Total addresses found: 3752755175 [09:07] 3752755175 Total Networks [2830910208 transit] [921725362 peered] [119606 local] [09:07] my code works ;p [09:08] real 0m0.287s [09:08] wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [09:11] pieter2627: intereresting if statement [09:11] if rel_link(permalink, '/index.html') == "#": [09:11] inetpro: got it from base_helper.tmpl [09:12] it what is uses to add the active class to navbar [09:12] nice job! [09:13] inetpro simplify the how to for me so i know how far i must got with bzr before i look at links [09:13] uh, sorry? [09:14] i done the whoami and login from Projects/ubuntu-africa [09:14] Kilos: you do that once only man [09:14] oh [09:15] Kilos: cd ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa && bzr branch lp:~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/jumbrotron-edits [09:15] ty sir [09:16] then to the virtualenv activate thingy and run nikola build [09:16] oh, obviously after cd jumbrotron-edits [09:17] do we use that long command of moppies? [09:18] pieter2627: so are the changes in theme.css and theme.js really necessary? [09:19] inetpro: they are for the image-credit at the bottom of the jumbotron [09:19] ah [09:19] Some change its layout [09:19] other remove dup styles by using existing classes [09:22] sjoe slim kind [09:23] oh, the reason for the body padding has been commented [09:24] Just made a last commit for some other spacing relating to the jumbotron [09:25] cool, can you do three more things for me before submitting the branch for review [09:26] sure ?? [09:26] create two pages with 'nikola new_page' [09:26] 1. Chat With Us [09:26] 2. Join Us [09:27] then edit conf.py and change the link "Get Ubuntu" to go to http://www.ubuntu.com/download [09:27] down't worry about the content for now [09:27] don't* [09:27] aalston@home-server:~/bgp.process$ ./process [09:27] Processed 541689 total prefixs [09:27] Total addresses found: 3752755175 [87.38% of possible space] [09:27] 3752755175 Total Networks [2830910208 transit] [921725362 peered] [119606 local] [32.56% peered+local] [09:28] YAY! Finally! [09:28] that code was a pain in the ass to write ;p [09:28] well doen Symmetria [09:28] I hate having to work with unsigned longs and other shit ;p [09:28] done as well [09:28] and optimizing code like that to run at a reasonable speed is a pain in the ass as well [09:29] pieter2627: don't worry about the content for now, unless you want to spend time and do that as well [09:31] pieter2627 why didnt you join us long ago [09:31] inetpro: commit msg? [09:31] in fact the 'Chat With Us' should be the simplest of all [09:31] just add the following: [09:31] .. raw:: html [09:31] blank line [09:31] [09:33] pieter2627: keep a simple commit message, eg: Added pages chat-with-us and join-us and fixed link [09:35] I'm sure Kilos will be happiest of all when he can see the web based irc page [09:38] inetpro: done [09:38] http://pastebin.com/p0ECS2pL <=== man that code is hacky as crap :P but it works [09:38] Kilos: was busy with school :P [09:39] hehe [09:40] nice! [09:40] pieter2627: now please 'Propose for merging' [09:40] pieter2627 how old are you if i may ask and what school taught you so much [09:42] Kilos: that's personal :-) [09:43] thats why i said if i may ask [09:44] i know how old you are [09:44] Kilos: 21, had time on my hands few years ago so taught myself - was home-schooled thu [09:44] old man [09:44] wsell done pieter2627 you did a good job teaching yourself [09:44] pieter2627: nice job! I got the mail [09:45] * inetpro will add a task on trello for superfly to review [09:45] Kilos: still have a long way to go [09:46] let's hope that he will accept the changes [09:46] ya getting past the fly is the biggest mission [09:49] inetpro look at a map for the african map button [09:49] never stop someone when they on a roll [09:50] offer him coffee [09:50] Maaz coffee on [09:50] * Maaz washes some mugs [09:50] Maaz coffee for all [09:50] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [09:53] ok, now we wait for mopkop to propose a merge first [09:53] ai! [09:54] i wanna go flaunt our site by the big boys [09:54] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [09:54] Kilos: patience! [09:54] Maaz dankie man [09:54] Groot plesier my vriend [09:54] * inetpro wbbl [09:54] sigh [09:54] ok ty [10:10] pieter2627 baie dankie [10:15] Kilos: Plesier [10:15] is jy nie op trello nie pieter2627 [10:15] n svg van afrika http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blank_Map-Africa.svg [10:16] Vroeer vandag op - user = pieter2627 [10:16] superfly se daai wewrk van jou moet merge van trunk af [10:16] werk [10:17] anders gaan dit issues veroorsaak [10:17] moet branch van trunk af skuus [10:18] ok, kyk gou hoe om dit te doen [10:18] waar moet ek kyk? [10:18] ek dom jong [10:19] nee ek kyk gou * [10:19] o lol [10:19] ek breek goed [10:19] sorry, los gewoontlik ek (en I) uit as tik :P [10:20] geen probleem [10:20] ek sal gewoont word nog [10:21] daai kaart is mooi maar kort net name van lande [10:22] weet, hy is n svg so kan enige iets met hom doen (name by sit, klere verander, ...) [10:23] aha [11:00] hmm... [11:01] Kilos: and so we learn every day [11:03] gah, people freaking out bout coming to Kenya (all of it) without doing any homework and by getting their news from american media [11:03] to say all of Kenya is unsafe is the equiv. of saying all of South Africa is unsafe because people get shot in hillbrow [11:05] hah Symmetria, isn't that normal? [11:06] I just read a tweet this morning, American Police Killed More People in March (111) Than the Entire UK Police Have Killed Since 1900 [11:07] but having said that, I must add that I haven't checked the validity of it [11:16] ya [11:18] inetpro just as well the fly keeps an eye on us all the time [11:31] too be honest, I don't think on a web project it makes so much of a difference but let's do it the right way [11:32] to be honest as well [11:41] ya only one way, the right way [11:42] if you cant do it right rather leave it [11:58] wb pieter2627 [12:07] thanks Kilos [12:08] inetpro fill me in please [12:09] Kilos: with? [12:09] pietmans branch was made using moppies branch to go from right? [12:09] correct [12:10] pieter2627: so do we wait until mopkop comes back or are you starting afresh and basing off trunk? [12:10] so then merging pietmans will include moppies work as well [12:10] and also if im right [12:10] everything is in code right? [12:11] innetpro: the extra created pages and menu changes is based of mopkop's work - so think I'll have to wait [12:11] so pietie can branch off trunk and copy paste all he has done to his new branch [12:12] am i wrong? [12:12] pieter2627 isnt your branch now inclusive of moppies? [12:12] I think it makes sense to wait Kilos, it's only fair to acknowledge the work done by mopkop [12:13] ya man but is my reasoning correct? [12:13] hi georgelappies [12:14] hi Kilos, how are you doing? [12:14] Kilos: think so, but will then just have to hold the menu changes [12:14] good ty and you? [12:15] Kilos: theoretically anyone could just start a new branch based on trunk and commit all changes made by mopkop and pieter2627 [12:16] good thanks Kilos [12:16] inetpro do you know how to edit that map? [12:16] only 55 countries that need names [12:17] Kilos: pieter2627 made a good suggestion, but I think we should stick with the one used at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa [12:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Africa_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg [12:18] that ones good too, the less work the better and wiki is free [12:18] na that secong link sucks [12:18] second [12:18] that one is a beauty [12:19] just use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa#/media/File:AfricaCIA-HiRes.jpg [12:20] saves the zoom thing doesnt it [12:20] uh [12:21] sigh [12:23] oh the african map thing isnt a button [12:23] energise it [12:24] wiki nice and fast today [12:24] Kilos: one step at a time, let's just get the current stuff past the fly [12:25] uh [12:26] :-) [12:26] i wonder if hed prefer to view a complete package or keep viewing bits and pieces [12:26] you ask him [12:27] ok, ok, go play with it on your own playground so long [12:27] lol [12:28] Kilos: he wrote, "I won't merge stuff that's not based off trunk, because that could introduce issues. Changes need to be isolated as much as possible in order to lessen the risk of each deployment." [12:28] aha [12:28] ok nuff said [12:28] ill go sulk in the corner [12:29] i think we hit a luck with the new youngsters we have now [12:30] Kilos: we need more of them [12:30] well find more man as soon as the site flies [12:30] it will be like a big poster alongside the road [12:31] i just worry about the other ubuntu-africa sites out there [12:32] shouldnt we make ours ubuntu-linux-africa [12:32] Kilos: no [12:32] ok [12:32] we are not a LUG [12:33] i wonder about that at times [12:34] it gets very complicated if you put all distros under one umbrella [12:35] distro wars galore [12:35] you just end up having unnecessary disagreemants all the time [12:36] im thinking of the single linux or ubuntu users in a country [12:36] without a home [12:36] i have the whole nairobilug on #ubuntu-africa [12:37] they have absorbed the ubuntu users [12:37] I might not agree with everything canonical does but ubuntu is a good choice for any new linux user out there [12:37] let's just focus on making it easier for everyone [12:37] canonical can pay us later :-) [12:38] lol i want my certificate [12:38] then i can rest easier [12:39] there's enough space for everyone in the sun [12:39] and tell them we want phones [12:39] under the sun [12:40] hey you still have to work on you membership app wiki [12:40] dont push that aside [12:40] ya, ya [12:41] * inetpro has many priorities in this life [12:41] ya i know [12:41] fly also but he did it [12:42] play less minetest [12:43] just now sharks starts [12:44] sharks-crusaders [12:44] oh thanks for the reminder [12:47] pieter2627: btw, you might want to join the ubuntu-za team on LP at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za [12:47] and our wiki [12:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members [12:48] Kilos: we're on 80 active members at the moment [12:49] it was 81 last week, who died [12:49] ai! [14:15] oh my [14:15] 40/3 [14:15] hard to believe [14:16] and 30 mins left [14:49] wb pieter2627 [14:52] eish 52/10 [14:55] what is 52/10 [14:55] the sharks lost [14:55] so sad [14:55] against? [14:55] crusaders [14:56] humiliation [14:56] oh, then that's a bad score [14:56] better to play with ubuntu [14:57] 'with ubuntu' - so who are we playing against :P [14:57] lol i play against me to see if i can break kde [14:58] but 14.04 kde has been very bullet proof for me [14:58] rofl [14:58] all the unity's i broke often [14:58] what is its mem consumption like [14:58] * ? [14:58] how do i check that [14:59] i got 4g ram and everything runs fine [14:59] on a fresh boot, how much mem is used? [14:59] i dunno how to check that [15:00] that how I check it at least [15:00] terminal `free -m` [15:00] 2nd row, 3rd col [15:00] Mem: 3919 3755 163 64 205 1026 [15:00] -/+ buffers/cache: 2523 1395 [15:01] sjoe using lots [15:02] but it never hangs or goes slow [15:02] yea, 2.5Gb - probably browser or something [15:03] My firefox uses 1Gb+ at times [15:05] i have 2 browsers running [15:05] opera and chrome [15:08] 17 tabs on opera and 3 on chrome [15:08] can that use all the ram? [15:08] don't know - depends [15:09] oh well it runs fine, maybe ill save for more ram [15:10] ram is expensive though [15:10] 100 bucks a gig [15:10] yea, it is. am currently saving for some too [15:11] ddr3? [15:11] yes [15:11] lappy [15:11] i think i can get for R450 for 4g [15:11] oh you lappy [15:12] lappys are hard to use machines [15:13] oh pieter2627 did you branch off the trunk? [15:14] it's still at 2? [15:15] hey? [15:16] the trunk doesn't have mopkop's code yet [15:16] oh ya [15:16] let me see if i can arouse hhim [15:19] ek het hom ge epos nou. sal sien wat doen dit [15:20] Kilos: to find top mem users try `top -o %MEM` [15:20] ok [15:25] let me do that [15:32] weird i cant highlight there [15:32] nothing uses much [15:33] -o %MEM sorts it by mem usage [15:36] here is the little that still showed after q [15:36] http://slexy.org/view/s2i8BuoX56 [15:37] but pc works fine so no worries [15:45] got it. i might try kde some time - have little ram and it doesn't seem too bad [15:46] how much ram have you got? [15:46] 2Gb [15:46] should work [15:46] and have to run vm at times [15:46] better with 4g or more [15:47] quad or dual cpu? [15:47] dual [15:47] will be a bit slow [15:48] im running it on a dual with 2g on old pc and thats kinda slow [15:48] my main prop, when it is slow, is mem [15:48] faster here with also dual 3g and 4g ram [15:48] pieter2627: Two handy alternatives to the top command: htop and atop http://blog.moertel.com/posts/2010-06-10-two-handy-alternatives-to-the-top-command-htop-and-atop.html [15:49] inetpro gooi n ketting om die outjie [15:49] inetpro: actually i mainly use atop - didn't know if Kilos had it installed. will check htop [15:49] hy mag nie verlore raak nie [15:51] pieter2627: also read: Help! Linux ate my RAM! http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ [15:51] lol [15:52] inetpro: that is exactly why ram is my main issue. when backup runs everything gets swapped for disk caching [15:56] but that article states that it should happen - will have to look into it [15:56] pieter2627: what kind of backup? [15:56] server has backuppc - uses rsync [15:56] inetpro mine also slows when running large rsyncs [15:59] yep, rsync is known to use a lot of RAM [15:59]