[00:46] <captine> so.. i wish it was possible for Canonical to not use Microsoft product for the backoffice.  looks like they use Navision for their finance application -- based on the job adds for AP managers....  Yip.. my daughter got me up and now I cannot sleep, so what can I say....
[04:23] <Kilos> morning all
[04:43] <Symmetria> morning
[06:16] <pieter2627> Hi all
[06:18] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[06:26] <Kilos> jy lekker vroeg
[06:27] <pieter2627> nee, dis al laat :P
[06:27] <Kilos> haha die ander slaap nog dink ek
[06:28] <Kilos> o nee miskien op pad winkels toe al
[06:28] <pieter2627> ja, kan wees
[06:29] <Kilos> skuus dat ek min smiles gebruik, dit meen ekstra soek wat om te tik
[06:29] <Kilos> smileys-emoticon goed
[06:29] <Kilos> :D
[06:30] <Kilos> daai ene die maklikste
[06:31] <pieter2627> haha, reg. ek gebruik net as dit lyk of my boodskap dalk nors kan wees, of n grap misgelees gaan word
[06:31] <Kilos> lol
[06:46] <Kilos> pieter2627  you said something about fixing the glug link or site or something are you up here in the vaal with us?
[06:47] <Kilos> glug.za seems to have died , only froztyza and some of our guys still show there
[06:50] <pieter2627> No, I only went through the links to find a loco/UG in Pretoria
[06:52] <Kilos> oh then welcome by us. pro and i and gremble and a few others are also in pta
[06:52] <Kilos> and mopkop
[06:53] <pieter2627> oh, thanks
[07:48] <captine> morning
[08:00] <Kilos> hi captine  
[08:00] <Kilos> sorry , was reading up on 5g
[08:01] <Kilos> and easter load shedding on the cards
[08:12] <pieter2627> The jumbotron should only be visible on the home page, right? (inetpro mentioned something about it yesterday)
[08:13] <Kilos> lol i dont even know what that is
[08:13] <Kilos> youll have to wait for him or fly to come on
[08:14] <Kilos> oh maybe captine  knows too
[08:14] <pieter2627> The jumbotron is the african images at the top of pages - africanSite
[08:14] <Kilos> look at the za site and see whats there
[08:15] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/
[08:15] <Kilos> we can follow that
[08:16] <pieter2627> ok
[08:16] <Kilos> and use whatever from there that will be helpful
[08:18] <Kilos> oh superfly  i forgot, i should have used your and pros words to me. there is no retirement date in your contract
[08:19] <Kilos> or no retirement clause
[08:21] <Kilos> oh that has no jumbotron thing?
[08:21] <pieter2627> It has... sort of (just not the same)
[08:22] <Kilos> oh
[08:23] <Kilos> we also have to find a map of africa to add a link to i think. weve had peeps from other countries ask where are we
[08:23] <Kilos> and when we reply in south africa they ask what country is that in
[08:28] <Kilos> looks like geography isnt a common subject all over
[08:28] <pieter2627> yea, common error of non-za peeps not to discern south from southern 
[08:29] <Kilos> i dont know the legalities about using links to other sites
[08:29]  * pieter2627 hides in shame as he is sometimes included in that
[08:29] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:30] <pieter2627> using links to other sites??
[08:31] <Kilos> let me find the one i had in mind
[08:32] <Kilos> had a nice mape of africa with country names even though one was mispelled
[08:32] <Kilos> i was thinking that map of africa button could point there
[08:33] <Kilos> something like http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/af.htm
[08:34] <Kilos> or http://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/
[08:36] <pieter2627> How about http://jqvmap.com/
[08:36] <pieter2627> or something similar
[08:37] <Kilos> i dont know , ill ask fly. i thought one that showed all the country names would be good but lets hear what he says
[08:38] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:39] <Kilos> hello inetpro  
[08:39] <pieter2627> Ok, we should just maybe look for a svg one to be able to edit as we want
[08:39] <Kilos> inetpro  read and catch up
[08:40] <captine> sorry, been distracted
[08:40] <Kilos> np
[08:40] <captine> Kilos, my knowledge is not great.  what might I know??? :)
[08:40] <inetpro> pieter2627: I think those images in the jumbotron should only be relevant on the home page, and the fly acknowledged it as a bug that he wants to sort out
[08:41] <Kilos> about the jumbotron thing
[08:41] <inetpro> the jumbotron on the ubuntu-za homepage is different
[08:41] <pieter2627> Ok, am busy with the jumbotron so will too it same (to hide) as the ubuntu-za site
[08:43] <inetpro> ahh, so you have figured where the difference comes in?
[08:44] <pieter2627> yea, jumbotron should be moved from base.tmpl to the index.rst (will now test)
[08:45] <inetpro> Kilos: cool, nice to know another handyman around?
[08:45] <Kilos> yeah very lekker
[08:46] <Kilos> handymen
[08:46] <Kilos> if im slow blame tara
[08:46] <inetpro> captine: you have some learning to do :-)
[08:47] <Kilos> hehe
[08:47] <inetpro> Kilos: has she got herself a new PC?
[08:47] <Kilos> ya a nice one
[08:48] <Kilos> amd quad with 16g ram
[08:48] <inetpro> nice!
[08:48] <inetpro> and OS?
[08:48] <Kilos> 7
[08:48] <Kilos> sigh
[08:48] <inetpro> ai!
[08:49] <Kilos> old pc has ubuntu on
[08:49] <pieter2627> oops, moving doesn't work so will use my initial approach to check if is home page
[08:49] <Kilos> but rugger time she use her cellphone to comment
[08:50] <inetpro> with 16GB RAM, tell her to install Virtualbox from www.virtualbox.org
[08:50] <inetpro> then she can at least install ubuntu on the sidelines
[08:50] <inetpro> her new machine should handle it with a smile
[08:52] <inetpro> pieter2627: no problemo, take your time
[08:52] <inetpro> am sure you'll figure it out eventually
[08:53] <pieter2627> already have, then just wanted to do it same as za site
[08:53] <inetpro> ok
[08:55] <inetpro> pieter2627: push it to a branch asap so we can see what you did
[08:55] <pieter2627> in 5min
[08:55] <Kilos> i also wanna seeee
[09:02] <pieter2627> inetpro: https://code.launchpad.net/~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/jumbrotron-edits
[09:02] <pieter2627> Hope it's ok as it's my first cont to any proj (might have to work on commit messages)
[09:03]  * inetpro downloading
[09:07] <inetpro> pieter2627: it works
[09:07]  * inetpro created a blank new page join-us and it doesn't have the jumbotron
[09:07] <Symmetria> aalston@home-server:~/bgp.process$ time ./process
[09:07] <Symmetria> Processed 541689 total prefixs
[09:07] <Symmetria> Total addresses found: 3752755175
[09:07] <Symmetria> 3752755175 Total Networks [2830910208 transit]  [921725362 peered]      [119606 local]
[09:07] <Symmetria> my code works ;p
[09:08] <Symmetria> real    0m0.287s
[09:08] <Symmetria> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:11] <inetpro> pieter2627: intereresting if statement
[09:11] <inetpro> if rel_link(permalink, '/index.html') == "#":
[09:11] <pieter2627> inetpro: got it from base_helper.tmpl
[09:12] <pieter2627> it what is uses to add the active class to navbar
[09:12] <inetpro> nice job!
[09:13] <Kilos> inetpro  simplify the how to for me so i know how far i must got with bzr before i look at links
[09:13] <inetpro> uh, sorry?
[09:14] <Kilos> i done the whoami and login from Projects/ubuntu-africa
[09:14] <inetpro> Kilos: you do that once only man
[09:14] <Kilos> oh
[09:15] <inetpro> Kilos: cd ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa && bzr branch lp:~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/jumbrotron-edits
[09:15] <Kilos> ty sir
[09:16] <inetpro> then to the virtualenv activate thingy and run nikola build
[09:16] <inetpro> oh, obviously after cd jumbrotron-edits
[09:17] <Kilos> do we use that long command of moppies?
[09:18] <inetpro> pieter2627: so are the changes in theme.css and theme.js really necessary?
[09:19] <pieter2627> inetpro: they are for the image-credit at the bottom of the jumbotron
[09:19] <inetpro> ah
[09:19] <pieter2627> Some change its layout
[09:19] <pieter2627> other remove dup styles by using existing classes
[09:22] <Kilos> sjoe slim kind
[09:23] <pieter2627> oh, the reason for the body padding has been commented
[09:24] <pieter2627> Just made a last commit for some other spacing relating to the jumbotron
[09:25] <inetpro> cool, can you do three more things for me before submitting the branch for review
[09:26] <pieter2627> sure ??
[09:26] <inetpro> create two pages with 'nikola new_page'
[09:26] <inetpro> 1. Chat With Us
[09:26] <inetpro> 2. Join Us
[09:27] <inetpro> then edit conf.py and change the link "Get Ubuntu" to go to http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[09:27] <inetpro> down't worry about the content for now
[09:27] <inetpro> don't*
[09:27] <Symmetria> aalston@home-server:~/bgp.process$ ./process
[09:27] <Symmetria> Processed 541689 total prefixs
[09:27] <Symmetria> Total addresses found: 3752755175 [87.38% of possible space]
[09:27] <Symmetria> 3752755175 Total Networks [2830910208 transit]  [921725362 peered]      [119606 local]   [32.56% peered+local]
[09:28] <Symmetria> YAY! Finally!
[09:28] <Symmetria> that code was a pain in the ass to write ;p 
[09:28] <inetpro> well doen Symmetria
[09:28] <Symmetria> I hate having to work with unsigned longs and other shit ;p
[09:28] <inetpro> done as well
[09:28] <Symmetria> and optimizing code like that to run at a reasonable speed is a pain in the ass as well
[09:29] <inetpro> pieter2627: don't worry about the content for now, unless you want to spend time and do that as well
[09:31] <Kilos> pieter2627  why didnt you join us long ago
[09:31] <pieter2627> inetpro: commit msg?
[09:31] <inetpro> in fact the 'Chat With Us' should be the simplest of all
[09:31] <inetpro> just add the following:
[09:31] <inetpro> .. raw:: html
[09:31] <inetpro> blank line
[09:31] <inetpro> <iframe src="//webchat.freenode.net?randomnick=1&channels=%23ubuntu-africa&uio=MTE9MA4c" width="100%" height="400"></iframe>
[09:33] <inetpro> pieter2627: keep a simple commit message, eg: Added pages chat-with-us and join-us and fixed link
[09:35] <inetpro> I'm sure Kilos will be happiest of all when he can see the web based irc page
[09:38] <pieter2627> inetpro: done
[09:38] <Symmetria> http://pastebin.com/p0ECS2pL <[09:38] <pieter2627> Kilos: was busy with school :P
[09:39] <Kilos> hehe
[09:40] <inetpro> nice!
[09:40] <inetpro> pieter2627: now please 'Propose for merging'
[09:40] <Kilos> pieter2627  how old are you if i may ask and what school taught you so much
[09:42] <inetpro> Kilos: that's personal :-)
[09:43] <Kilos> thats why i said if i may ask
[09:44] <Kilos> i know how old you are
[09:44] <pieter2627> Kilos: 21, had time on my hands few years ago so taught myself - was home-schooled thu
[09:44] <Kilos> old man
[09:44] <Kilos> wsell done pieter2627  you did a good job teaching yourself
[09:44] <inetpro> pieter2627: nice job! I got the mail
[09:45]  * inetpro will add a task on trello for superfly to review
[09:45] <pieter2627> Kilos: still have a long way to go
[09:46] <inetpro> let's hope that he will accept the changes
[09:46] <Kilos> ya getting past the fly is the biggest mission
[09:49] <Kilos> inetpro  look at a map for the african map button
[09:49] <Kilos> never stop someone when they on a roll
[09:50] <Kilos> offer him coffee
[09:50] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[09:50]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:50] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[09:50] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[09:53] <inetpro> ok, now we wait for mopkop to propose a merge first
[09:53] <Kilos> ai!
[09:54] <Kilos> i wanna go flaunt our site by the big boys
[09:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:54] <inetpro> Kilos: patience!
[09:54] <Kilos> Maaz  dankie man
[09:54] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[09:54]  * inetpro wbbl
[09:54] <Kilos> sigh
[09:54] <Kilos> ok ty
[10:10] <Kilos> pieter2627  baie dankie
[10:15] <pieter2627> Kilos: Plesier
[10:15] <Kilos> is jy nie op trello nie pieter2627  
[10:15] <pieter2627> n svg van afrika http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blank_Map-Africa.svg
[10:16] <pieter2627> Vroeer vandag op - user = pieter2627
[10:16] <Kilos> superfly  se daai wewrk van jou moet merge van trunk af
[10:16] <Kilos> werk
[10:17] <Kilos> anders gaan dit issues veroorsaak
[10:17] <Kilos> moet branch van trunk af skuus
[10:18] <pieter2627> ok, kyk gou hoe om dit te doen
[10:18] <Kilos> waar moet ek kyk?
[10:18] <Kilos> ek dom jong
[10:19] <pieter2627> nee ek kyk gou *
[10:19] <Kilos> o lol
[10:19] <Kilos> ek breek goed
[10:19] <pieter2627> sorry, los gewoontlik ek (en I) uit as tik :P
[10:20] <Kilos> geen probleem
[10:20] <Kilos> ek sal gewoont word nog
[10:21] <Kilos> daai kaart is mooi maar kort net name van lande
[10:22] <pieter2627> weet, hy is n svg so kan enige iets met hom doen (name by sit, klere verander, ...)
[10:23] <Kilos> aha
[11:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: and so we learn every day
[11:03] <Symmetria> gah, people freaking out bout coming to Kenya (all of it) without doing any homework and by getting their news from american media
[11:03] <Symmetria> to say all of Kenya is unsafe is the equiv. of saying all of South Africa is unsafe because people get shot in hillbrow 
[11:05] <inetpro> hah Symmetria, isn't that normal?
[11:06] <inetpro> I just read a tweet this morning, American Police Killed More People in March (111) Than the Entire UK Police Have Killed Since 1900
[11:07] <inetpro> but having said that, I must add that I haven't checked the validity of it
[11:16] <Kilos> ya
[11:18] <Kilos> inetpro  just as well the fly keeps an eye on us all the time
[11:31] <inetpro> too be honest, I don't think on a web project it makes so much of a difference but let's do it the right way
[11:32] <inetpro> to be honest as well
[11:41] <Kilos> ya only one way, the right way
[11:42] <Kilos> if you cant do it right rather leave it
[11:58] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  
[12:07] <pieter2627> thanks Kilos
[12:08] <Kilos> inetpro  fill me in please
[12:09] <inetpro> Kilos: with?
[12:09] <Kilos> pietmans branch was made using moppies branch to go from right?
[12:09] <inetpro> correct
[12:10] <inetpro> pieter2627: so do we wait until mopkop comes back or are you starting afresh and basing off trunk?
[12:10] <Kilos> so then merging pietmans will include moppies work as well
[12:10] <Kilos> and also if im right
[12:10] <Kilos> everything is in code right?
[12:11] <pieter2627> innetpro: the extra created pages and menu changes is based of mopkop's work - so think I'll have to wait
[12:11] <Kilos> so pietie can branch off trunk and copy paste all he has done to his new branch
[12:12] <Kilos> am i wrong?
[12:12] <Kilos> pieter2627  isnt your branch now inclusive of moppies?
[12:12] <inetpro> I think it makes sense to wait Kilos, it's only fair to acknowledge the work done by mopkop
[12:13] <Kilos> ya man but is my reasoning correct?
[12:13] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  
[12:14] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are you doing?
[12:14] <pieter2627> Kilos: think so, but will then just have to hold the menu changes
[12:14] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[12:15] <inetpro> Kilos: theoretically anyone could just start a new branch based on trunk and commit all changes made by mopkop and pieter2627
[12:16] <georgelappies> good thanks Kilos
[12:16] <Kilos> inetpro  do you know how to edit that map?
[12:16] <Kilos> only 55 countries that need names
[12:17] <inetpro> Kilos: pieter2627 made a good suggestion, but I think we should stick with the one used at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa
[12:17] <inetpro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Africa_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg
[12:18] <Kilos> that ones good too, the less work the better and wiki is free
[12:18] <Kilos> na that secong link sucks
[12:18] <Kilos> second
[12:18] <pieter2627> that one is a beauty
[12:19] <Kilos> just use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa#/media/File:AfricaCIA-HiRes.jpg
[12:20] <Kilos> saves the zoom thing doesnt it
[12:20] <inetpro> uh
[12:21] <Kilos> sigh
[12:23] <Kilos> oh the african map thing isnt a button
[12:23] <Kilos> energise it
[12:24] <Kilos> wiki nice and fast today
[12:24] <inetpro> Kilos: one step at a time, let's just get the current stuff past the fly
[12:25] <Kilos> uh
[12:26] <inetpro> :-)
[12:26] <Kilos> i wonder if hed prefer to view a complete package or keep viewing bits and pieces
[12:26] <Kilos> you ask him
[12:27] <inetpro> ok, ok, go play with it on your own playground so long
[12:27] <Kilos> lol
[12:28] <inetpro> Kilos: he wrote, "I won't merge stuff that's not based off trunk, because that could introduce issues. Changes need to be isolated as much as possible in order to lessen the risk of each deployment."
[12:28] <Kilos> aha
[12:28] <Kilos> ok nuff said
[12:28] <Kilos> ill go sulk in the corner
[12:29] <Kilos> i think we hit a luck with the new youngsters we have now
[12:30] <inetpro> Kilos: we need more of them
[12:30] <Kilos> well find more man as soon as the site flies
[12:30] <Kilos> it will be like a big poster alongside the road
[12:31] <Kilos> i just worry about the other ubuntu-africa sites out there
[12:32] <Kilos> shouldnt we make ours ubuntu-linux-africa
[12:32] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[12:32] <Kilos> ok
[12:32] <inetpro> we are not a LUG
[12:33] <Kilos> i wonder  about that at times
[12:34] <inetpro> it gets very complicated if you put all distros under one umbrella
[12:35] <inetpro> distro wars galore
[12:35] <inetpro> you just end up having unnecessary disagreemants all the time
[12:36] <Kilos> im thinking of the single linux or ubuntu users in a country
[12:36] <Kilos> without a home
[12:36] <Kilos> i have the whole nairobilug on #ubuntu-africa
[12:37] <Kilos> they have absorbed the ubuntu users
[12:37] <inetpro> I might not agree with everything canonical does but ubuntu is a good choice for any new linux user out there
[12:37] <inetpro> let's just focus on making it easier for everyone
[12:37] <inetpro> canonical can pay us later :-)
[12:38] <Kilos> lol i want my certificate
[12:38] <Kilos> then i can rest easier
[12:39] <inetpro> there's enough space for everyone in the sun
[12:39] <Kilos> and tell them we want phones
[12:39] <inetpro> under the sun
[12:40] <Kilos> hey you still have to work on you membership app wiki
[12:40] <Kilos> dont push that aside
[12:40] <inetpro> ya, ya
[12:41]  * inetpro has many priorities in this life
[12:41] <Kilos> ya i know 
[12:41] <Kilos> fly also but he did it
[12:42] <Kilos> play less minetest
[12:43] <Kilos> just now sharks starts
[12:44] <Kilos> sharks-crusaders
[12:44] <inetpro> oh thanks for the reminder
[12:47] <inetpro> pieter2627: btw, you might want to join the ubuntu-za team on LP at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[12:47] <Kilos> and our wiki
[12:48] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[12:48] <inetpro> Kilos: we're on 80 active members at the moment
[12:49] <Kilos> it was 81 last week, who died
[12:49] <inetpro> ai!
[14:15] <Kilos> oh my
[14:15] <Kilos> 40/3 
[14:15] <Kilos> hard to believe
[14:16] <Kilos> and 30 mins left
[14:49] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  
[14:52] <Kilos> eish 52/10
[14:55] <pieter2627> what is 52/10
[14:55] <Kilos> the sharks lost
[14:55] <Kilos> so sad
[14:55] <pieter2627> against?
[14:55] <Kilos> crusaders
[14:56] <Kilos> humiliation
[14:56] <pieter2627> oh, then that's a bad score
[14:56] <Kilos> better to play with ubuntu
[14:57] <pieter2627> 'with ubuntu' - so who are we playing against :P
[14:57] <Kilos> lol i play against me to see if i can break kde
[14:58] <Kilos> but 14.04 kde has been very bullet proof for me
[14:58] <pieter2627> rofl
[14:58] <Kilos> all the unity's i broke often
[14:58] <pieter2627> what is its mem consumption like
[14:58] <pieter2627> * ?
[14:58] <Kilos> how do i check that
[14:59] <Kilos> i got 4g ram and everything runs fine
[14:59] <pieter2627> on a fresh boot, how much mem is used?
[14:59] <Kilos> i dunno how to check that
[15:00] <pieter2627> that how I check it at least
[15:00] <pieter2627> terminal `free -m`
[15:00] <pieter2627> 2nd row, 3rd col
[15:00] <Kilos> Mem:          3919       3755        163         64        205       1026
[15:00] <Kilos> -/+ buffers/cache:       2523       1395
[15:01] <Kilos> sjoe using lots
[15:02] <Kilos> but it never hangs or goes slow
[15:02] <pieter2627> yea, 2.5Gb - probably browser or something
[15:03] <pieter2627> My firefox uses 1Gb+ at times
[15:05] <Kilos> i have 2 browsers running
[15:05] <Kilos> opera and chrome
[15:08] <Kilos> 17 tabs on opera and 3 on chrome
[15:08] <Kilos> can that use all the ram?
[15:08] <pieter2627> don't know - depends
[15:09] <Kilos> oh well it runs fine, maybe ill save for more  ram
[15:10] <Kilos> ram is expensive though
[15:10] <Kilos> 100 bucks a gig
[15:10] <pieter2627> yea, it is. am currently saving for some too
[15:11] <Kilos> ddr3?
[15:11] <pieter2627> yes
[15:11] <pieter2627> lappy
[15:11] <Kilos> i think i can get for R450 for 4g
[15:11] <Kilos> oh you lappy
[15:12] <Kilos> lappys are hard to use  machines
[15:13] <Kilos> oh pieter2627  did you branch off the trunk?
[15:14] <pieter2627> it's still at 2?
[15:15] <Kilos> hey?
[15:16] <pieter2627> the trunk doesn't have mopkop's code yet
[15:16] <Kilos> oh ya
[15:16] <Kilos> let me see if i can arouse hhim
[15:19] <Kilos> ek het hom ge epos nou. sal sien wat doen dit
[15:20] <pieter2627> Kilos: to find top mem users try `top -o %MEM`
[15:20] <pieter2627> ok
[15:25] <Kilos> let me do that
[15:32] <Kilos> weird i cant highlight there 
[15:32] <Kilos> nothing uses much
[15:33] <pieter2627> -o %MEM sorts it by mem usage
[15:36] <Kilos> here is the little that still showed after q
[15:36] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2i8BuoX56
[15:37] <Kilos> but pc works fine so no worries
[15:45] <pieter2627> got it. i might try kde some time - have little ram and it doesn't seem too bad
[15:46] <Kilos> how much ram have you got?
[15:46] <pieter2627> 2Gb
[15:46] <Kilos> should work 
[15:46] <pieter2627> and have to run vm at times
[15:46] <Kilos> better with 4g or more
[15:47] <Kilos> quad or dual cpu?
[15:47] <pieter2627> dual
[15:47] <Kilos> will be a bit slow
[15:48] <Kilos> im running it on a dual with 2g on old pc and thats kinda slow
[15:48] <pieter2627> my main prop, when it is slow, is mem
[15:48] <Kilos> faster here with also dual 3g and 4g ram
[15:48] <inetpro> pieter2627: Two handy alternatives to the top command: htop and atop http://blog.moertel.com/posts/2010-06-10-two-handy-alternatives-to-the-top-command-htop-and-atop.html
[15:49] <Kilos> inetpro  gooi n ketting om die outjie
[15:49] <pieter2627> inetpro: actually i mainly use atop - didn't know if Kilos had it installed. will check htop
[15:49] <Kilos> hy mag nie verlore raak nie
[15:51] <inetpro> pieter2627: also read: Help! Linux ate my RAM! http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[15:52] <pieter2627> inetpro: that is exactly why ram is my main issue. when backup runs everything gets swapped for disk caching
[15:56] <pieter2627> but that article states that it should happen - will have to look into it
[15:56] <inetpro> pieter2627: what kind of backup?
[15:56] <pieter2627> server has backuppc - uses rsync
[15:56] <Kilos> inetpro  mine also slows when running large rsyncs
[15:59] <inetpro> yep, rsync is known to use a lot of RAM
[15:59] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[15:59] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:00] <inetpro> pieter2627: incremental recursion mode can help with that
[16:00] <inetpro> wb superfly
[16:03] <pieter2627> currently set to `1, 2, 3, 4` - don't know if it is the most effective
[16:04] <inetpro> pieter2627: you might want to read up about how to use rsync without running out of memory
[16:05] <inetpro> lots of articles out there
[16:05] <pieter2627> didn't know that - will check it
[16:06] <inetpro> and if it's a real problem, rather use something else
[16:07] <inetpro> more than one way to do it
[16:08] <Kilos> so inetpro  doubling ram will overcome that prob?
[16:08] <Kilos> but it never takes very long anyway
[16:08] <pieter2627> yea, backuppc just seemed like the best a year ago when this was setup
[16:08] <Kilos> and irc still works kiff
[16:09] <Kilos> pieter2627  are you using unity?
[16:09] <superfly> thanks inetpro, time to go. supper needs to be made
[16:10] <pieter2627> Kilos: yes
[16:11] <Kilos> there is   abuilt in backup tool called deja-dup that makes good backups
[16:11] <Kilos> shows when you type backup in dash
[16:12] <inetpro> pieter2627: don't underestimate tar 
[16:13] <pieter2627> Kilos: have a few pcs in home that i need to backup (some win) that the server should auto backup - which is why backuppc is used
[16:13] <Kilos> aha
[16:14] <pieter2627> inetpro: might test using tar once
[16:16] <Kilos> oh pieter2627  if you taught yourself i spose its a bit much to ask if you got friends on linux too
[16:16] <Kilos> like varsity peeps
[16:17] <inetpro> hmm... with windows in there, that changes the whole picture
[16:17] <pieter2627> Kilos: not that are my age
[16:18] <Kilos> any age clever peeps are still clever peeps
[16:18] <Kilos> we need some more new blood here
[16:20] <pieter2627> have two old linux peeps: one introduced me to linux (ubuntu) in 2009/2010, but out of contact now
[16:20] <pieter2627> i am actually surprised not to see the other here
[16:20] <Kilos> what do you call old peeps
[16:21] <pieter2627> 50/60+ 
[16:21] <Kilos> ya thats close
[16:21]  * pieter2627 hopes that he did insult anyone
[16:21] <Kilos> im older and we have one ballie that comes to meetings and when he needs help
[16:21] <Kilos> 72
[16:23] <inetpro> yay!
[16:23] <Kilos> what?
[16:23]  * inetpro is still considered young :-)
[16:23] <Kilos> lol
[16:23] <Kilos> jaja ou man
[16:24]  * pieter2627 thinks `old` is a relative term
[16:24] <inetpro> but only three more years then I'm old 
[16:24] <inetpro> pieter2627: correct
[16:25] <Kilos> nono old is when you spend a day with the kids and come back a wreck
[16:26] <pieter2627> Kilos: wreck as in a ship or antique
[16:26] <inetpro> come Kilos, where's that young dominee friend of yoiurs?
[16:26] <Kilos> poegaai
[16:26] <inetpro> yours*
[16:26] <Kilos> i dunno inetpro  i mailed him already
[16:27] <inetpro> didn't you get his phone number?
[16:27] <Kilos> his fathers work number only
[16:43] <Kilos> wb captine  
[17:02] <captine> thnx
[17:02] <captine> i havent been good at reading things today
[17:03] <Kilos> oh my are you ok?
[17:04] <inetpro> wb captine
[17:05] <captine> yip
[17:05] <captine> inlaws all gone.
[17:05] <Kilos> lol
[17:05] <captine> so just 2 of us with 2 kids...
[17:05] <captine> eish...
[17:05] <captine> tough
[17:05] <Kilos> were they visiting?
[17:08] <Symmetria> hrm, how do you deal with 128 bit unsigned ints in C?
[17:29] <captine> yip
[17:29] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:29] <magespawn> good evening
[17:30] <captine> mom in law was here for 7 weeks for when our daughter arrived... 
[17:30] <Kilos> aha
[17:30] <captine> very helpful
[17:31] <magespawn> not many people would say that about their mother-in-law
[17:31] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <captine> :)
[17:42] <magespawn> ah well i suppose it takes all sorts
[17:42] <magespawn> ol
[17:42] <magespawn> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:42] <Kilos> captine  you very lucky
[18:49] <Kilos> Maaz  seen mopkop
[18:49] <Maaz> Kilos: mopkop was last seen 1 day and 46 minutes ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-03 20:03:32 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-04-03 20:03:40 SAST
[18:49] <Kilos> ai!
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: patience!
[18:59] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:00] <inetpro> tough, I know
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: just do it all yourself
[19:02] <Kilos> nono he must get the credit for what he has done,  he will also apply for membership some time
[19:02] <inetpro> :-)
[19:04] <Kilos> i made it because of others so dont need to steal credits
[19:06] <inetpro> good boy!
[19:07] <inetpro> the worst would be loosing his contribution going forward
[19:08] <Kilos> how
[19:08] <Kilos> ?
[19:08] <inetpro> demotivating
[19:08] <Kilos> thats what im worried about, he seems to have cooled off some since first coming here
[19:09] <inetpro> demotivating if somebody else just takes over after having made an effort to get involved
[19:09] <inetpro> I mean it would be demotivating for him
[19:09] <Kilos> oh i see what you mean, nono i think it will be ok for them both to share credits
[19:10] <Kilos> i think its an important thing this site because of the work it will accomplish so credits can cover all of you
[19:11]  * inetpro just wants the site to be ready asap
[19:11] <Kilos> the only other sites and channels that will encompass such and area are the main ubuntu ones
[19:12] <Kilos> s/and/an
[19:12] <Kilos> i just not sure about things like a mailing list
[19:12] <inetpro> mailing list can be set up easily
[19:13] <Kilos> many peeps dont like the main list or channel
[19:13] <Kilos> ya but who will be the support there inetpro  
[19:13] <Kilos> thats the thing
[19:13] <inetpro> what support do you really need for that?
[19:14] <Kilos> like our list peeps that can help 
[19:14] <Kilos> and peeps that will point them to the irc channel when they are struggling like i did
[19:14] <Kilos> the main lists and channels helped me niks
[19:15] <Kilos> fly saw me battling and brought me here
[19:15] <inetpro> you will be a member
[19:15] <Kilos> him or you, i forget sometimes
[19:15] <Kilos> ya but im not real help
[19:16] <inetpro> all other members support each other
[19:16] <inetpro> it gets a life of it's own
[19:16] <Kilos> hopefully ya but atm the africa peeps seem to be battling just to keep up with daily work
[19:17] <inetpro> people come and go
[19:17] <inetpro> that is normal
[19:17] <Kilos> thats the part i dont like much, losing peeps
[19:18] <inetpro> important is to have people like you who stick around 
[19:18] <Kilos> ai!
[19:19] <inetpro> that's why you got membership, remember!?
[19:19] <Kilos> ya i spose
[19:20] <inetpro> now you just keep helping others to get where you are
[19:20] <inetpro> it's a big mountain to climb for any newbie
[19:20] <Kilos> you forget hey
[19:21] <Kilos> you and fly and some others carried me to here
[19:22] <Kilos> now we lost the hot spark again so something not right
[19:27] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  
[19:27] <Kilos> are you still studying?
[19:32] <pieter2627> no, will next year
[19:32] <Kilos> there is something you can do meantime
[19:32] <pieter2627> currently trying to learn QT
[19:33] <Kilos> recognised world wide
[19:33] <Kilos> Maaz  lpi manual
[19:33] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[19:33] <Kilos> that  might be an old link
[19:34] <Kilos> last i heard they dropped something
[19:34] <pieter2627> wow, long manual
[19:35] <Kilos> you should find it easy with the knowledge you already have
[19:35] <Kilos> Maaz  google lpi1 manual
[19:35] <Maaz> Kilos: "LPIC-1 Linux Server Professional - Linux Professional Institute Linux ..." https://www.lpi.org/certification/get-certified-lpi/lpic-1-linux-server-professional/ :: "Study Resources - Linux Professional Institute Linux Professional ..." https://www.lpi.org/study-resources/ :: "GNU/Linux Administration Manuals - Savannah" http://www.nongnu.org/lpi-manuals/ ::
[19:35] <Maaz> "ict@innovation: Training Guide on Linux System Administration, LPI ..." https://www.lin…
[19:36] <Kilos> Maaz  google lpi2 manual
[19:36] <Maaz> Kilos: "The LPIC-2 Exam Prep" http://lpic2.unix.nl/ :: "GNU/Linux Administration Manuals - Savannah" http://www.nongnu.org/lpi-manuals/ :: "Study Resources - Linux Professional Institute Linux Professional ..." https://www.lpi.org/study-resources/ :: "LPIC-2 201 Exam Objectives - Linux Professional Institute Linux ..." https://www.lpi.org/study-resources/lpic-2-201
[19:36] <Maaz> -exam-objectives/ :: "IBM developerWorks : Linux Professional Institute (LPI) exam prep .…
[19:37] <Kilos> the first 100 pages in that manual are raw basics and the hardware side
[19:38] <Kilos> you can also arrange to write the exams at local colleges etc
[19:54] <magespawn> i think you can write the lpi exam through comptia
[19:54] <magespawn> linux plus is lpic 1
[19:54] <Kilos> ty magespawn  
[19:57] <Kilos> hows your studies going magespawn  ?
[19:58] <magespawn> i am making progres
[19:58] <Kilos> good and your plans to move?
[19:59] <magespawn> probably going to write the fist exam at the end of may
[19:59] <magespawn> still job hunting first
[19:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:18] <magespawn> bed time, good night all
[20:18] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[20:19] <Kilos> me too
[20:19] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight