[00:02] <Ponchale> hi people
[00:02] <Ponchale> Ogre_ is online?
[00:02] <Ponchale> how are you +
[00:48] <Ponchale>  someone who can help me?
[00:49] <ahoneybun> Ponchale: timezones sadly :(
[00:49] <Ponchale> :( :( :'(
[00:50] <Ponchale> is urgent ahoneybun
[00:50] <Ponchale> you help me please?
[00:51] <ahoneybun> Ponchale: I don't know much tbh
[00:52] <Ponchale> tbh?
[00:53] <elimisteve> "to be honest"
[00:54] <Ponchale> aaaaaaa ok
[00:55] <Ponchale> someone could help me with my questions?
[01:10] <doflaherty> what's the problem?
[03:06] <dobey> !ask | Ponchale
[03:19] <Ponchale> We are developing a mobile operating system, we are doing low Mer and Nemo but discovered that Ubuntu is a little more adelando and because we want to build on Ubuntu tounch, my question is how can access code and tutorials compilation, installation and launch?
[04:02] <Ponchale> We are developing a mobile operating system, we are doing low Mer and Nemo but discovered that Ubuntu is a little more adelando and because we want to build on Ubuntu tounch, my question is how can access code and tutorials compilation, installation and launch?
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/You-Can-Now-Send-Web-Pages-to-Your-Ubuntu-Phone-from-Any-Browser-477581.shtml
[06:53] <Albas> Test
[09:01] <froyo> Hello
[09:01] <froyo> Is there anyone online?
[09:07] <Se7> happy easter ppl
[09:09] <froyo> Hello
[09:12] <froyo> hi Se7
[09:12] <Se7> hi froyo
[09:12] <anpok> hi
[09:12] <froyo> Se7, are you a technical guy or developer for Ubuntu Touch?
[09:12] <froyo> hi anpok
[09:13] <Se7> no froyo sorry
[09:13] <anpok> has anyone yet tinkered with the mhl related code inside the bq kernel sources?
[09:13] <froyo> Ahh
[09:14] <froyo> Sorry anpok, I don't have Ubuntu phone yet...so I don't know....but what you mean by bq kernel sources?
[09:14] <anpok> i couldnt yet find a final answer to the question whether the mtk6582 uses also has the ssi833x chip..
[09:14] <anpok> https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5
[09:15] <anpok> https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/blob/aquaris-E4.5/mediatek/config/krillin/ProjectConfig.mk here is the kernel configuration..
[09:17] <froyo> 1628 lines
[09:18] <anpok> the MHL option is disabled .. when you enable it you will notice that the driver does not compile..
[09:19] <froyo> which line?
[09:20] <anpok> 864
[09:22] <anpok> th other like is 157
[09:22] <anpok> 1574
[09:22] <anpok> i used CUSTOM_KERNEL_HDMI=Sii8338
[09:23] <froyo> I'm not that advance yet to help :(
[09:26] <anpok> hm i will continue tinkering
[09:27] <froyo> I hope I could help, really :(
[09:52] <froyo> Hi
[10:07] <WebVisitor-1> Hello!
[10:07] <froyo> hi
[10:08] <WebVisitor-1> I'm sorry about the noob question, but where can I find documentation on creating multi-touch gestures for Unity?
[10:09] <froyo> I don't know if it even exist
[10:09] <froyo> or do you mean Ubuntu API?
[10:10] <WebVisitor-1> I don't know if there's an API for it, I just have a Macbook pro and am used to quite a few gestures. I was just wondering if there was a way I could just implement them myself
[10:10] <WebVisitor-1> It'd kind of a little hobby project, but could potentially branch into more
[10:11] <WebVisitor-1> I noticed Unity already has a few gestures, which is nice, but not exactly what I'm used to
[10:12] <froyo> Do you have the API reference?
[10:12] <froyo> I founf it here, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/api/
[10:13] <WebVisitor-1> Thank you, I'll take a look at that!
[10:14] <WebVisitor-1> I also have another question, which may be easier to answer. In Ubuntu, I'm not allowed to rest my finger on my touchpad and use the other to control the cursor. I can use one finger fine, I can use two fingers to scroll, but Ubuntu won't ignore a finger if I just have it resting
[10:15] <WebVisitor-1> On OSX, I can keep my thumb on the trackpad to "click" and use the other finger to move the cursor. If I attempt this in Ubuntu, the cursor just freezes
[10:16] <froyo> Probably, it's the kernel configuration problem
[10:16] <froyo> Take a look at here.
[10:16] <froyo> https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/blob/aquaris-E4.5/mediatek/config/krillin/ProjectConfig.mk
[10:17] <froyo> (check that if you use aquaris-E4.5)
[10:17] <froyo> for your information..I don't use ubuntu touch.
[10:17] <froyo> So, I don't know much about the settings.
[10:17] <froyo> It's still not available in my place.
[10:20] <WebVisitor-1> Thank you for the information, I'll check it out!
[10:37] <fro0yo> Hi
[10:40] <anpok> meh hardcoded modes and refresh rates in the kernel
[10:45] <fro0yo> hi
[10:47] <anpok> no fro0yo .. thats not the kernel you are lookging for..
[10:48] <anpok> WebVisitor was asking about the touch pad drivers used within xorg
[10:49] <fro0yo> touch pad?
[11:48] <embik> hello everyone! :) just wondering, is there anyone developing for Ubuntu Touch NOT on an Ubuntu system (read: another distro)?
[11:52] <anpok> embik: hm you are not the first to ask that
[11:54] <embik> anpok: I just wondered because some docs for the click packaging said "we want it to be distro-agnostic"
[11:54] <embik> it does not seem very agnostic to me though
[12:01] <anpok> embik: well the intention is honest but I believe there is a lack of continous testing in place to ensure that the dependencies and packages are avaliable everywhere
[12:02] <embik> anpok: mh okay, it's a shame but I do understand that problem
[12:03] <embik> guess I'll need an Ubuntu VM somewhere
[12:03] <anpok> so the best you can do is test and complain.. I know that some people in the teams do submit patches to arch or fedora .. and so on
[12:03] <embik> my main problem is I don't even know which packages exactly I need
[12:13] <embik> oh and another question, I've seen some videos doing magic with golang and go-qml on Ubuntu Touch, is there anything matured?
[12:32] <Dragonkeeper> anyone alive?
[12:32] <brunch875> and moving!
[12:32] <Dragonkeeper> o/
[12:32] <embik> *meep*
[12:33] <Dragonkeeper> anyone know the status of wifi ap ?
[12:33] <brunch875> wifi works, but some stuff like tunneled tls isn't yet implemented
[12:33] <brunch875> at least on my r20
[12:34] <Dragonkeeper> yeah wifi works but , i cant connect a device to ubuntu touch to use data connection
[12:35] <brunch875> I had the very same issue with android
[12:35] <brunch875> I think it has to do with the ubuntu deskto
[12:36] <Dragonkeeper> desktop ?
[12:36] <brunch875> yes
[12:36]  * Dragonkeeper is now confused
[12:37] <brunch875> ¿Which OS do you use?
[12:37] <Dragonkeeper> im talking about connectiong devices to ubuntu bq phone
[12:38] <brunch875> ad hoc connections over wifi?
[12:38] <brunch875> I understood internet tethering...
[12:38] <Dragonkeeper> yh adhoc , or access point wifi
[12:39] <Dragonkeeper> i gave up with usb reverse tether with android  it wasnt working so figure ill ask bout wifi status
[12:41] <Dragonkeeper> ubuntu phone is my daily device but want to connect all other devices to it so they can use data too
[12:42] <brunch875> it doesn't seem to be implemented
[12:43] <Dragonkeeper> hmm
[14:02] <Dragonkeeper> https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master
[14:03] <Dragonkeeper> some reason this doesnt recognise default faile
[14:03] <Dragonkeeper> file*
[14:57] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: ping
[15:02] <dobey> embik, anpok: the dependencies for the SDK are open source, so it should be possible to use them on Fedora, Arch, etc… that doesn't mean they are necessarily packaged for other distributions though. someone would have to volunteer to do so, and keep those packages updated, for it to be reasonably useful for developing apps targeting the Ubuntu SDK frameworks.
[15:49] <Dragonkeeper> is UT gonna support background applications? like music playing through webbrowser
[15:54] <popey> Dragonkeeper: the music in webbrowser is a specific thing we will support soon, yes
[15:54] <popey> once web browser supports media-hub it will come
[15:55] <Dragonkeeper> okay cool :)   some reason podbird doesnt list episodes for every podcast just subscribes to the title
[15:59] <nik90> Dragonkeeper: what do you mean it just subscribes to the title?
[15:59] <nik90> Dragonkeeper: if you open the podcast, it should list the episodes
[16:00] <popey> i have seen some podcasts like that
[16:00] <Dragonkeeper> nik90 yeah it does for some but not all
[16:00] <popey> where you're subscribed but the content is empty - i filed a bug about it
[16:00] <popey> mintcast is one
[16:01] <Dragonkeeper> sickandwrongpodcast  doesnt list episodes so im using browser
[16:01] <popey> I like the sound of that podcast :)
[16:02] <Dragonkeeper> ;) basically just talks about weird stories
[16:02] <popey> i recall Elle o saying it's because their feed is messed up
[16:02] <popey> two enclosures probably causing it.
[16:03] <nik90> Dragonkeeper: yeah there are 2 bugs currently for that..one being the feed parser and the current js backend..both needs to be fixed
[16:03] <nik90> Dragonkeeper: I am hoping to see them fixed before our v1.0 milestone
[16:04] <Dragonkeeper> cool :)
[16:04] <Dragonkeeper> anyone know why qmake isnt in the sdk kits
[16:05] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  what qmake and in what Kits.
[16:05] <bzoltan> ?
[16:05] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  The qmake project type support is available in 15.04 Kits only
[16:06] <Dragonkeeper> oh ,
[16:06] <Dragonkeeper> i got 14.10 and 15.10 kits installed
[16:07] <Dragonkeeper> no wait scatch that
[16:07] <Dragonkeeper> i got 15.04
[16:08] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  You need 15.05 kits and it does not matter what series your machine is on.
[16:09] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  so, with 14.10 and 14.04 Kits you can not build qmake project. The reason is that qmake support needed qtbase change and that was not possible to backport to Utopic and Trusty
[16:10] <Dragonkeeper> i see
[16:11] <Dragonkeeper> ill try with other kit
[16:13] <Dragonkeeper> bzoltan: :-1: error: /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmake: Command not found
[16:14] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  when, where after what action do you see it? When have you created the Kit and how?
[16:15] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  have you been manually doing any apt stuff in the chroot?
[16:16] <Dragonkeeper> im trying to port some source, and it shows after using make command when building ,   i havnt edited the chroot except the updates the sdk wants to do
[16:18] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  so it shows in the QtCreator when you try to build?
[16:19] <Dragonkeeper> yup bzoltan
[16:21] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper: may i see that project?
[16:21] <Dragonkeeper> sure
[16:22] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  the qmake what we use in the Kits is the /usr/bin/qt5-qmake-arm-linux-gnueabihf
[16:23] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  it is an x86 binary what acts as if it were an armhf qmake
[16:24] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  when have you installed th SDK and how? the apt-cache policy qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu could tell if it is not the official one
[16:25] <Dragonkeeper> bzoltan: i was attempting to port this http://tinyurl.com/oml8o38   plugged phone in and it built a kit for me then i edited the build commands
[16:25] <Dragonkeeper> i installed sdk using instructions on ubuntu site
[16:26] <Dragonkeeper> it got installed bout week ago
[16:27] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  cool.. would you try to build one of the qmake templates apps?
[16:28] <Dragonkeeper> i can, afk a monemt tho , gonna grab my dinner
[16:32] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper: which project file is the one you tried? The pokerth_game fails with "Project ERROR: Unable to find boost libraries in PREFIX=/usr"
[16:32] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  but at least it  runs the qmake
[16:35] <Dragonkeeper> bzoltan: read the INSTALL file,
[16:35] <Dragonkeeper> u need the deps to build
[16:37] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper: I figured that out.
[16:40] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper: so the thing is that once you have selected the armhf Kit as target you should be able to run the qmake on the project and see in the "Compile output" window something like this ->
[16:40] <bzoltan> 19:39:26: Starting: "/home/balogh/.config/ubuntu-sdk/ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf/qt5-qmake-arm-linux-gnueabihf" /home/balogh/workspace/PokerTH-1.1.1-src/pokerth_game.pro -r -spec ubuntu-arm-gnueabihf-g++ CONFIG+=debug
[16:41] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  so the ~/.config/ubuntu-sdk/ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf/qt5-qmake-arm-linux-gnueabihf is actually the qmake the IDE is using for the Kit
[16:43] <Dragonkeeper> hmm maybe i did something wrong then
[16:44] <peat-psuwit> Where should I put a command to run on boot?
[16:45] <peat-psuwit> I have to run a command to kickstart wlan kernel module.
[16:50] <Dragonkeeper> bzoltan: did u import project or pick ubuntu > then a template (qmake)
[16:59] <Dragonkeeper> hmm
[16:59] <Dragonkeeper> think i got further this time
[17:07] <Dragonkeeper> i have a click package .. i think i did it
[17:07] <Dragonkeeper> :s
[17:07] <Dragonkeeper> maybe not
[17:21] <Dragonkeeper> balls .. give up lol
[17:37] <peat-psuwit> How should I write /sys/module/wlan/parameters/fwpath on boot?
[18:13] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, hwo about doing it from init.rc
[18:14] <ogra_> (wont give you network before the container is up, but probably the easiest to just add it there)
[18:15] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: I just have to write something to kickstart wlan module.
[18:16] <anpok> re
[18:17] <anpok> hm ok it seems like my kernel changes built
[18:17] <anpok> how can I update the kernel on the aquaris e4.5?
[18:17] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: which event should I do it?
[18:17] <anpok> can i rw mount the boot image, and replace it?
[18:20] <anpok> i mean.. the result of the build in out/target/Download/flash, how can I get it onto the phone?
[18:21] <ogra_> there should be a boot.img file somewhere
[18:21] <anpok> nope
[18:21] <ogra_> you can flash that with fastboot
[18:21] <anpok> changed and built this here: https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5
[18:22] <anpok> it does not include newmk.sh
[18:22]  * ogra_ isnt sure thats sufficient
[18:22] <anpok> I am quite sure that it isnt :)
[18:22] <anpok> I have no access to the internal project.. but I cant stop tinkering with mhl
[18:23] <ogra_> i.e. the actual config is created from Android.mk during the device tarball build
[18:24] <anpok> hm will boot.img contain a real file system that I could mount writeable?
[18:24] <anpok> from recovery ...
[18:24] <ogra_> no
[18:24] <ogra_> you can try dd'ing the boot partition to a file ... then you can edit/unpack/update/repack that file using abootimg
[18:25] <ogra_> no guarantees that works on krillin though :)
[18:26] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, there is surely a block of writes to sysfsnodes somewhere in your init.rc ... just addi a line for your sysfs node there
[18:50] <bzoltan> Dragonkeeper:  It should be just a simple click on the qmake tempate and then select the armhf Kit, then build .. that is it. If that works, then your Kit is good. See the output windows for detailes, the click package is in the build directory
[18:52] <Dragonkeeper> bzoltan: yh the 15.04 kit looks good, when i do a qmake template , but not when i import project ,
[18:57] <kokoye2007> hi porting guide is not fully :(
[19:21] <kokoye2007> Hi Hi
[19:21] <kokoye2007> who can teach me
[19:44] <Dragonkeeper> kokoye2007: teach u what
[19:49] <kokoye2007> https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/wip-ubuntu-touch-for-oneplus-one.266170/ Dragonkeeper sorry for last night !DC
[19:55] <Dragonkeeper> is that the same thing with system.img n boot.img ? (without having to open link)
[19:56] <kokoye2007> yes last build
[19:56] <kokoye2007> now try to build with new server same soure
[19:57] <OerHeks> Would that be the same as nightly-builds? http://download.mariogrip.com/Ubuntu-Touch/OnePlus-One/nightly/
[19:57] <Dragonkeeper> trying build your own or just use his one?
[19:59] <Dragonkeeper> eh looks like it
[20:00] <kokoye2007> it's bootloog
[20:00] <kokoye2007> loop**
[20:06] <Dragonkeeper> did u add rules file z/
[20:06] <Dragonkeeper> some ports need it added in via adb
[20:08] <Dragonkeeper> and also did u do a full wipe 1st
[20:08] <Dragonkeeper> and install ubuntu system
[20:08] <kokoye2007> thx bro.
[20:09] <kokoye2007> i am wait to build and try with your guide
[20:11] <cliftonts> Is there anyone here who could help me get started? I'm getting rather fed up with being bulk blanked!
[20:12] <Dragonkeeper> ask question if anyone knows they will answer
[20:14] <cliftonts> Fantastic. You're the first person to show signs of life so far. Thanks.
[20:15] <cliftonts> I'm experimenting with the Ubuntu SDK for the first time. I want to retreive CSV data from a URL. I've got an HTML5 template open at the moment but I'm open to any suggestions as to how to do it.
[20:15] <cliftonts> Everything has pointed me to using javascript in the HTML5 app so far but nothing I try actually has any effect when I run it.
[20:16] <popey> cliftonts: you're not being "bulk blanked" - it's late on a sunday evening. people tend to be around more during the working week
[20:18] <cliftonts> popey, I don't just mean today. I generally have had trouble getting a response out of people when I have programming related questions. I would very much love to grasp the concepts of modern programming but there are many questions I never get answers to. It is very frustrating sometimes.
[20:19] <Dragonkeeper> cliftonts: not everyone here is a programmer, sometimes for specific code questions there is channels for that too
[20:20] <popey> yeah, #ubuntu-app-dev is the "right" channel for that.
[20:20] <popey> (even if it's quiet on weekends)
[20:21] <cliftonts> Dragonkeeper, I would hope that most here will know the process behind the creation of click packages etc. The entire process baffles me. I learned in Quick Basic way back when and I can pick up the basics of any language through comparison.
[20:21] <cliftonts> However for most of this there is no comparison to be made as none of it existed back then. It's like there are no threads for me to pull on to get started. If I can just make one basic working app I will have my starting point.
[20:22] <cliftonts> popey, quiet? I'm the only person in there! lol
[20:23] <Dragonkeeper> click packages are made in the publish tab of sdk , thats as much as i know of them
[20:24] <Dragonkeeper> even thats prob wrong
[20:24] <cliftonts> I mean the entire process from loading the SDK right through to having a published app. I can see I would be able to do it if someone in the know sat down with me for 30 minutes and went through it. But without that I'm stuffed.
[20:24] <Dragonkeeper> i used to be a gentoo user b4 ubuntu phone release
[20:24] <cliftonts> It's gnawing at me and I may well just go insane if I can't beat this.
[20:26] <cliftonts> I think a large part of the problem is that people who know what they are doing can't anticipate what is not obvious so someone who isn't. I've used Quickly in the past for making apps. The thing opens 7 or 8 windows of code but doesn't bother to tell you what each one is for, which bits you can't touch and which ones you should.
[20:26] <cliftonts> Like doing a jigsaw puzzle without being able to look at the lid.
[20:29] <Dragonkeeper> o.o
[20:30] <Dragonkeeper> bzoltan: ^ ?
[20:30] <cliftonts> Someone in the know Dragonkeeper?
[20:31] <Dragonkeeper> he helped me with sdk bits seemed know what he was talking bout
[20:32] <cliftonts> I've tried following the documentation but it splits out into a million links and always seems to gloss over the bit I'm having trouble with.
[20:32] <popey> cliftonts: have you gone through the tutorials ? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/
[20:32] <Dragonkeeper> sdks and packages are like way over my head. im just used to using nano or gedit
[20:32] <popey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ specifically
[20:32] <kokoye2007> Dragonkeeper:  may be we have CM source > ubuntu touch is can be work with porting guide ?
[20:33] <cliftonts> popey I tried to go through the ones I've found but it is no substitute for interactive learning, being able to ask a question when you don't quite get it.
[20:33] <cliftonts> I always get the impression that I've nearly got it and I just need steering in the right direction.
[20:34] <cliftonts> Ooh I like the sound of this tutorial. It seems to be building something similar to what I wanted to work on.
[20:39] <Foggy> list
[20:39] <Foggy> \list
[20:42] <popey> !list | Foggy
[22:37] <Dragonkeeper> hey if i gave someone some code would you build a package to publish?
[22:40] <kokut> hello, can i install ubuntu touch on any device?
[22:40] <Dragonkeeper> if u port it
[22:41] <kokut> what u mean
[22:41] <Dragonkeeper> ubuntu touch needs to be built for the device you want it to run on
[22:41] <Dragonkeeper> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[22:42] <kokut> mhh looks like its gonna take some time
[22:44] <Dragonkeeper> well if its not been done for your device, ull need take the time or wait  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[22:44] <kokut> no i'm pretty sure it's not been done for my device
[22:45] <Dragonkeeper> which one?
[22:46] <kokut> itshttp://www.mywigo.com/en/smartphones-mywigo/turia2.html
[22:47] <Dragonkeeper> ah well if u can find the repos needed u could attempt a port
[23:00] <Dragonkeeper> awesome. bq kernel builds alright
[23:09] <Dragonkeeper> oh cool , theres a ubuntu for raspberrypi 2 aswell